₦airaland Forum

Finally the learned ones are talking.

FYI I don't like Wike anymore than you do, but what the young soldier did is tantamount to treason. It is wrong by all counts.

aribisala0:
Does a Retired CNS have any business sending his men to collect his money from a debtor?
Can he send his men to Zenith Bank to grab his money if the bank refuses to honor his cheques

Do you have any proof the acquisition of that land is illegal?
That is where it should start from!

FreeStuffsNG:
https://punchng.com/naval-officer-in-face-off-with-wike-breached-the-law-san/

i have never met any sensible Sebastian in my 4 decades on planet earth..

aribisala0:
So the officer goes with his oga to Zenith Bank where he has billions but because of an argument they refuse to serve him
His superior officer orders him to go behind the counter and take money . He must obey?
If he is ordered to participate in a coup he should obey?

Did you read before you reacted?

Read what the article said about obeying orders per what the Supreme Court said

👌👌

fergie001:
Do you have any proof the acquisition of that land is illegal?
That is where it should start from!

I don't
I never said anything about the legality
Learn to debate rationally
Whether the acquisition is legal or not is irrelevant

The military are not the enforcers of such legality or otherwise

The point is only the police have such powers .

They should award the office instead

That will motivate others to obey law
And do the right thing


I now understand why our military can't defend bokoharam
And bandit

Sangoamadioha1:
If that young man is suspended, the military guys would be greatly demoralized.
I honestly don't think Tinubu would do that.

Mr. SAN, was any order of the court served? Was ur Wike a court order
Nonsense set of ppl dt turned this country upside down
God ll judge u all

aribisala0:
I don't
I never said anything about the legality
Learn to debate rationally
Whether the acquisition is legal or not is irrelevant

The military are not the enforcers of such legality or otherwise

The point is only the police have such powers .

So, if only the Police have such powers, then the Minister went there so...and did what? Should he not have made some calls to the IGP?

COEMMA:
Mr. SAN, was any order of the court served? Was ur Wike a court order
Nonsense set of ppl dt turned this country upside down
God ll judge u all

Peter Obi will never condesend to the level of the power drunk landgrabber of Abuja. Peter Obi will never call a serving military personnel a fool or a big fool. Peter Obi will never rush out from his office under the influence of alcohol to embarrass himself in public. So the difference is clear. Stolen wealth and clas are two different narratives here

mascot87:
Don't mind those clowns supporting nonsense because they hate Wike. So if a senior ranking officer gives an order to kpai there agalu fraud tomorrow and the order was well executed, hope they will support the executioner as only following orders.

Ttalk:
What about the case of Osinbajo. You have forgotten that the VP sacked the DSS boss, how is that possible if you claimed Presidential power is not transferable?

This is a Supreme Court Judgement...

Whether a Junior Officer Is Liable For a Wrong Resulting From Obedience to an Order From a Superior Officer? The Court Martial said Yes, the Appeal Court said NO, The Supreme Court said NO.

This is 2022 Judgement!

aribisala0:
Tellurmaamamakeshetrygetsense
Define legitimate.

The CDS has released a statement. Ask him to define legitimate duty.

buygala:
Kindly quote the law that states that a General is a General for life


As a lawyer, I would like to tap from your knowledge

Sit down there and wait for me to spoon feed you 🫤

yarimo:
The officer and the former naval Chief are disgrace to Navy

This tin pain u wella.

Putindbutt:
Which yeye military guys will be demoralized?. An officer who blocked the way of a minister representing the President who is the C-in-C?. Is the order of a retired CNS bigger than that of the President?. You guys are joking too much.

See wike o
Wike (CON)
SHETTIMA (GCON)
TINUBU (GCFR)
Last i checkd, wether u wer vomited by TINUBU himself o, or handpicked by him, when it comes to military mataz,,
Na oly GCFR get mouth.
Evn GCON no sopos do dis tin wer wike do so. Tlkless of CON
So kudos to that fearless officer.
After all their gra gra, dem still no enta d promise land

Vision101:
The officer acting under the authority of the C-in-C while protecting a private property of his boss?

Read to understand and not just read to attack.
Haba, you can do better than this 🫤

gassbee:
his actions was tantamount to disrespecting the office of d president, no matter how u see it

Tell that to the CDS who backed the young naval officer's action.

Sangoamadioha1:
Sit down there and wait for me to spoon feed you 🫤

In other words, you do not have such law

Go sleep

descartes400:
The military guys being demoralised should their colleague be suspended as a disciplinary measure over obeying illegal orders involving preventing a sitting Minister from carrying out his lawful duty

Or

The Military guys being demoralized and embarrassed over their Inability to effectively contain threats like insurgency and banditry which is a direct reflection of their operational failure.

Which of the above do you should have profound and widespread impact on morale?

You can interpret my statement anyhow you like. I said what I said.

MGDIMA4:
They should award the office instead

That will motivate others to obey law
And do the right thing


I now understand why our military can't defend bokoharam
And bandit

What you understand is your own business.

buygala:
In other words, you do not have such law

Go sleep

Ok. Whatever makes you sleep well at night 🙄

fergie001:
You want my attention, now you will get it.

Listen and listen attentively, the powers of the C-in-C is not transferrable. Every Minister has administrative and policy control over his/her Ministry, but not operational control. Even the Vice President of Nigeria cannot order that soldier to stand down. Should I repeat myself?

When Jonathan was Acting President, he could not even fire the COAS because whilst you have policy control, the powers of the C-in-C is not transferrable, it vests only and only with the Commander-in-Chief. You can never have 2 C-in-Cs at any time. You dodged the thread where a CSP refused to obey Sanwo-Olu's order, I didn't see you there. You know why? He said he was under orders from the IGP.

Go and read the Armed Forces Act, only the CDS or CNS acting under the instruction of the President can order Lt. Yerima to stand down and they didn't.... You reason the matter yourself, how a CDS decided to ignore. This is because he will have to investigate a lot of things.

Even the Minister of Defence cannot order that soldier to stand down except from the orders of the President. We are talking about the operational control and command of the Army you are talking about a man who disgraced himself. Do you know how proud Lt Yerima's brass are proud of him? If Wike likes, he can go there a million times, he won't be allowed past that spot unless the President so orders ...any other question?

Fergie why u dey answer that dude?

loffyloffy:
The young officer was clearly disrespectful to the authority of Mr President, exercised through the office of the FCT minister.

It was realy unwise for him to say the land was legaly acquired, he is just a guared on site, he is not the lawyer of the owner of the land, and he is not authorised to hold brief on behalf of the owner. Mind you even if it is true that the land is legally acquired, Wike as the FCT minister have the authority to revoke the allocation of the Land.

Many people supporting the boy, are doing it out of their dislike for the govt in power, plus they cannot separate the office of the FCT minister from the person which in thod instance is Wike.

Wike did not visit the land as a private citizen, he was there as the FCT and has the full authority of the law backing him.

You know Nigerians and emotions, you truly understood what happened. They hate wike, so they decided to make the navy look right. It’s a shame

Sangoamadioha1:
You can interpret my statement anyhow you like. I said what I said.

That's why e no make sense.

Na wa for you o,
So the young soldier's Boss order is now Greater than the Office of the President Commander in Chief of the Armed forces which Wike was acting upon as an FCT minister with respect to Land issues ?

Even on site you could see Wike accompanied by the DSS,ARMY,POLICE,PRESS MEN,OFFICIALS OF THE FCTDA and people(Some citizens) are blindly Blaming him(Wike) to succumb to such Intimidation and Impunity by a small boy ,a serving military officer who has sworned to respect the laws of the Country and Protect its Territory.

or do we Now have other President's within the Armed forces greater than the C-in-C . I need to de tutored.

Sangoamadioha1:
The naval officer was acting under instructions. Wike should have taken up the issue with the naval officer's boss and not resort to insulting the young officer.
As wike was carrying out his duty so also the young officer was also carrying out his own instructions.
Wike should be dealing with the young man's boss but him, having some misplaced delusions of grandeur, felt he can bully the young officer. No NDA graduate will succumb to such bullying tactics.
Wike is under the authority of the president just as the naval officer is under the authority of the C-in C. The young officer is not under Wike's authority.
Notice how the DSS and the policemen (with the exception of one over zealous policeman) did not attempt to wade into the matter because they know the young man was acting under instructions of his superior officer.

U

Vision101:
The minister doesn't need to sue he can revoke it.

. Why would he revoke a valid document paid for...

Are you that irresponsible

ebukal67x:
Prof. Hon, you should know that the officer is a retired naval officer and not a serving one. That makes all your arguments moot.

Being retired makes him above the law? Wow!

GanagiBitrus:
Abeg leave the young officer alone, he was simply obeying "orders from above".
The military are proud of how he professionally handled the matter.

Blame the chain of command that deployed the officer, without liaising with the office of the FCT Minister. That's impunity & abuse of power that our Army are well known for.

&Blame Wike for his choice of foul language while confronting the officer.

You spoke well in several respects, not all 😉

Sangoamadioha1:
If that young man is suspended, the military guys would be greatly demoralized.
I honestly don't think Tinubu would do that.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion