₦airaland Forum

bajosky:
Na wa for you o,
So the young soldier's Boss order is now Greater than the Office of the President Commander in Chief of the Armed forces which Wike was acting upon as an FCT minister with respect to Land issues ?

Even on site you could see Wike accompanied by the DSS,ARMY,POLICE,PRESS MEN,OFFICIALS OF THE FCTDA and people(Some citizens) are blindly Blaming him(Wike) to succumb to such Intimidation and Impunity by a small boy ,a serving military officer who has sworned to respect the laws of the Country and Protect its Territory.

or do we Now have other President's within the Armed forces greater than the C-in-C . I need to de tutored.

If the young naval officer is in the wrong why is the CDS backing him.
Why did Wike's security not arrest the young officer. They all know the truth which you are blind to.

FreeStuffsNG:
Mr. Wike stood in loco the President of Nigeria and Commander-in-Chief of the Nigerian Armed Forces on that fateful day. Consequently, even if the superior officer were still in service, he would not disobey Mr. Wike or obstruct him from entering the land. This was an affront to the civil authority of Mr. President.

The Minister’s method may be brash; but it is legal and lawful in all respects. Rather, it is the officer who obstructed him that has breached not just the Nigerian Constitution, but also service and extant regulatory laws. For the avoidance of any doubt, section 114 of the Armed Forces Act makes military personnel criminally liable for civil offences. This means the officer in question could be arraigned before a Court Martial for obstructing a public officer from performing his public duties, et cetera.

Patriotic Nigerians have started talking.

The least FG and the Military authorities can do right now is to immediately suspend him while preparing for his arraignment.

Joker

iLoveYouToo:
Well, you're entitled to your opinion

Yes

fergie001:
.You don't need to use third party, I am here.
You haven't responded me ever since. The funny thing is that even you cannot behave the Wike behaved so why endorse that character of his! Stop supporting everything because he works for a Government that is your preferred. You can still oppose a few things they do. Wike has been grabbing lands, you haven't said a thing about it.

You haven't replied the CSO who stopped Sanwo-Olu, that he was taking orders from IGP. Will you also say that CSO needs to be punished? Orders are orders and must be carried out!

There is nothing Wike can do sorry about that, he can approach the Courts or better still be civil or speak to his boss instead of the televised national kasongo yeye he got. I don't like him but maturity also entails to seek information from what you know little about, that is his problem, over-bloated ego, it could have been resolved with phone calls without all that. Badaru has sided with the officer.

We all learn everyday.

This is exactly what I pointed out earlier from your position.

This issue entails 3asoects.
1. Logic
2. Legal
3.Moral

I wonder why you ignored the logical and the legal perspective of the matter only to dwell on the moral angle.

Its logical to see through the event yesterday to be able to come up with local opinion, and when that is merged with the legal implication of the actions of all the people that are involved, it becomes clearer that the CNS has acted out of the constitution of federal Republic of Nigeria.

You dwelling on Wike's attitude and his past actions that are not legally proved means you are acting out of.logic and the law.

I am not a lawyer but was trained by one and I know some basic rudiment about law.

You are a Mod that should know I have taken opposite stand on the activities of the government with clear positions of where I stand, you claiming I support Wike's action simply because he serves in the government I support is out of place and again put paid to my position that your opinion over this matter is nothing but stem from emotion rather than logic and legal perspective

aribisala0:
Governor cannot. SEIZE land

That is a wrong word

There is room for compulsory acquisition in public interest

It is not seizure

Compensation must be paid


Also there is a procedure

It is not arbitrary or unilateral or with immediate effect

Fair enough. However the procedure is definitely unilateral. It can only be challenged on the basis that the acquisition was not in public interest and that is a hard argument that has hardly ever succeeded. It's a terrible law but it is the law.

iLoveYouToo:
You spoke well in several respects, not all 😉

You understood well in several respects, not all

fergie001:
So, if only the Police have such powers, then the Minister went there so...and did what? Should he not have made some calls to the IGP?

Let us be clear about what I said and what I did not say
If you have a challenge with English get help

I am not here to hold brief for Wike

However as Minister he has authority to visit to establish facts. I have previously said he had no business arguing with the officer

For me that is not an issue
It may provide excitement for mediocre minds but for me the main issue is the fact that we continue to see military men in such assignments.
Whether it is escorting containers, drugs etc

Soldiers in a democracy should have no business stopping even a. School security officer
Because of military hangover many don't get it

The officer even made a statement reflecting that mentality that police is talking when he is talking

In the most powerful military which will soon visit Nigeria they are fully subordinate to the police outside their barracks

EasternActivist:
U

. Why would he revoke a valid document paid for...

Are you that irresponsible

Every land belongs to government. The most that you can get if you have valid documentation is compensation. If you don't know the law ask Nnamdi Kanu

you are wrong coz this is an act of illegality and Intimidation against civilian public office holders

Sangoamadioha1:
If the young naval officer is in the wrong why is the CDS backing him.
Why did Wike's security not arrest the young officer. They all know the truth which you are blind to.

[quote author=aribisala0 post=137450544][/quote]I didn't read sorry

SmartyPants:
Fair enough. However the procedure is definitely unilateral. It can only be challenged on the basis that the acquisition was not in public interest and that is a hard argument that has hardly ever succeeded. It's a terrible law but it is the law.

No it is not unilateral and you are talking theory that you don't know
There must be notice of acquisition and fair compensation must be paid
Notice must specify purpose and offer compensation
Unilateral would implying one party determined compensation or pays nothing . Section 30 allows court intervention if there is a dispute over compensation
It must be acquired for a public PURPOSE.


Government cannot acquire land and sit on it or share it to cronies

bajosky:
you are wrong coz this is an act of illegality and Intimidation against civilian public office holders

Oshey Mr judge , I don hear. I hope you will sleep well now 😂

Ttalk:
This is exactly what I pointed out earlier from your position.

This issue entails 3asoects.
1. Logic
2. Legal
3.Moral

I wonder why you ignored the logical and the legal perspective of the matter only to dwell on the moral angle.

Its logical to see through the event yesterday to be able to come up with local opinion, and when that is merged with the legal implication of the actions of all the people that are involved, it becomes clearer that the CNS has acted out of the constitution of federal Republic of Nigeria.

You dwelling on Wike's attitude and his past actions that are not legally proved means you are acting out of.logic and the law.

What is your take?
The officer should not have stood in his way?
It's better I understand you correctly.

I am not a lawyer but was trained by one and I know some basic rudiment about law.

You are a Mod that should know I have taken opposite stand on the activities of the government with clear positions of where I stand, you claiming I support Wike's action simply because he serves in the government I support is out of place and again put paid to my position that your opinion over this matter is nothing but stem from emotion rather than logic and legal perspective

Leave all this mod and grammar, what is your point?
That the Officer was wrong to restrain him from going to the building?
It's best we understand so we might not be saying the same thing in a different way.

Mind you, Wike wasn't seeing the former CNS, but a Lt.

ebukal67x:
Prof. Hon, you should know that the officer is a retired naval officer and not a serving one. That makes all your arguments moot.

so , a serving lt col. in the Nigerian Army was used as a guard dog by a civilian for that matter to obstruct a serving minister from official duty ! Keep highlighting his in discretion even further . And you should all pretend you don't know that Wike leading the team by himself could not have been because ministry staff under him must have had issues in gaining access to the site before .....
" we have all the correct documents . . . ." the misrepresentation in saying that . Does he know the documents his superior have on the land ? More than the ministry in charge of such information in Abuja . Just too eager to show he is the Nigerian Army nothing more , and I am not excusing Wike's use of expletives either .

How is the officer to know whether the order he is obeying is illegal or legal? How should he have know who was in the right, the Minister or his boss?

aribisala0:
Let us be clear about what I said and what I did not say
If you have a challenge with English get help

I am not here to hold brief for Wike

However as Minister he has authority to visit to establish facts. I have previously said he had no business arguing with the officer

For me that is not an issue
It may provide excitement for mediocre minds but for me the main issue is the fact that we continue to see military men in such assignments.
Whether it is escorting containers, drugs etc

Soldiers in a democracy should have no business stopping even a. School security officer
Because of military hangover many don't get it

The officer even made a statement reflecting that mentality that police is talking when he is talking

In the most powerful military which will soon visit Nigeria they are fully subordinate to the police outside their barracks

why do you bother with these people ? Leave them to their irrational hate fuelled reasoning and judgements . Can any one of us " bloody civilians " hailing the over exuberant officer call him a fool to his face and not get a near fatal beat down ? Wike is Wike , but that young man clearly overstepped and I for one think these khaki boys needs re-training on the importance of seeing civilians as not lesser humans .

yarimo:
The officer and the former naval Chief are disgrace to Navy

This one only gets mouth online. See weting a young Northern Solider did to una God Wike

The Navy Lieutenant was there on the instruction of his boss who is the former Chief of naval staff. The FCT minister ought to have engaged the former CNS if he has any issue concerning the land in question. For him to engage the Navy Lieutenant and at the same using absurd words was very wrong.

FreeStuffsNG:
Mr. Wike stood in loco the President of Nigeria and Commander-in-Chief of the Nigerian Armed Forces on that fateful day. Consequently, even if the superior officer were still in service, he would not disobey Mr. Wike or obstruct him from entering the land. This was an affront to the civil authority of Mr. President.

The Minister’s method may be brash; but it is legal and lawful in all respects. Rather, it is the officer who obstructed him that has breached not just the Nigerian Constitution, but also service and extant regulatory laws. For the avoidance of any doubt, section 114 of the Armed Forces Act makes military personnel criminally liable for civil offences. This means the officer in question could be arraigned before a Court Martial for obstructing a public officer from performing his public duties, et cetera.

Patriotic Nigerians have started talking.

The least FG and the Military authorities can do right now is to immediately suspend him while preparing for his arraignment.

The San is just talking nonsense. Until there is a court order the officer has not bridge any law. What law did the officer disobeyed. Your assertion that Wike represent the president is purely nonsense. We have only one commander in chief. The power of the president cannot be shared among ministers. Even the vice President does not have such power let alone a minister.

fergie001:
What is your take?
The officer should not have stood in his way?
It's better I understand you correctly.

Leave all this mod and grammar, what is your point?
That the Officer was wrong to restrain him from going to the building?
It's best we understand so we might not be saying the same thing in a different way.

Mind you, Wike wasn't seeing the former CNS, but a Lt.

This is my position from my previous post.

That's a very good question. I have taken my time to analyze the unfortunate incident of confrontation between the Minister of FCT and an attached naval staff to a retired CNS.

Many commentators have not only erred in their submission but have allowed emotion to dictate their judgement.

There are pertinent questions that could informed a better understanding and fair judgement on the matter.

If we are to agree that a military officer only obey the order of his superior, won't it be more appropriate to define under what condition such order becomes valid.

If it is assumed that a military can break traffic rules while on mission to arrest a bandit, will such order be applicable while such officer is taking his superior child to school,?

The scenario at which the altercation occured. is best not in military formal duty and such order must be weighed to comform with the existing rules outside the military formation.

It would have been more ingenious for the officer at the point of such stalemate to have seek direct intervention of his superior to engage the minister.

Taking a unilateral decision based on order from his boss is not enough ground to remain adamant. Rather than asked Wike to call the CNS, I believe the junior office should have done that instead.

2. The CNS though is entitled to numbers of staff after retirement by law, the role of those military staff are spelt out and non include becoming a security guard to a land.under dispute.

Where the CNS requires protection over his property, the Nigeria Police should be the one to carry out such exercise and not a military personnel.

These are some of logic we should be concerned about and not allegation about Wike utterances or the Naval Lieutenant adamant

ebukal67x:
Prof. Hon, you should know that the officer is a retired naval officer and not a serving one. That makes all your arguments moot.

The officer being retired makes it more easy for Wike to win the case. It would have been better if he was a serving officer. Officer Yerima might be in trouble with this act.

davidque:
How is the officer to know whether the order he is obeying is illegal or legal? How should he have know who was in the right, the Minister or his boss?

so his duty post since how long is to guard a parcel of land ? A much trained officer with the rank that qualifies him as a state's Millitary administrator ! So he didn't see that the delegation is led by a serving minister of the federal Republic appointed bt the Commander - in-chief to act in official capacity in the interest of the federal Republic under the constitution that is bigger than any barrack top hierarchy orders ! It is these big men that will be the downfall of this country .

Sangoamadioha1:
If that young man is suspended, the military guys would be greatly demoralized.
I honestly don't think Tinubu would do that.

And if he is not suspended, the SAN says "this may unleash a reign of terror by the men in khaki against hapless civilians – with a grin or boast that ‘we did it to Wike and nothing happened"

Doo1:
The officer being retired makes it more easy for Wike to win the case. It would have been better if he was a serving officer. Officer Yerima might be in trouble with this act.

leave them make dem dey dig the guy grave even deeper . Person with Millitary rank equivalent to a governor turn Mai-guard for a civilian former officer . Who post am go there go soon collect .

FreeStuffsNG:
Mr. Wike stood in loco the President of Nigeria and Commander-in-Chief of the Nigerian Armed Forces on that fateful day. Consequently, even if the superior officer were still in service, he would not disobey Mr. Wike or obstruct him from entering the land. This was an affront to the civil authority of Mr. President.

The Minister’s method may be brash; but it is legal and lawful in all respects. Rather, it is the officer who obstructed him that has breached not just the Nigerian Constitution, but also service and extant regulatory laws. For the avoidance of any doubt, section 114 of the Armed Forces Act makes military personnel criminally liable for civil offences. This means the officer in question could be arraigned before a Court Martial for obstructing a public officer from performing his public duties, et cetera.

Patriotic Nigerians have started talking.

The least FG and the Military authorities can do right now is to immediately suspend him while preparing for his arraignment.

dey play, person wey dem go promote.

Why are this people so ignorant of millitary law.An officer under lawful duty cannot breach laws.Instead d person that issued d order will be held responsible. An order is an order.u dnt choose order to follow or d one to reject

loffyloffy:
The young officer was clearly disrespectful to the authority of Mr President, exercised through the office of the FCT minister.

It was realy unwise for him to say the land was legaly acquired, he is just a guared on site, he is not the lawyer of the owner of the land, and he is not authorised to hold brief on behalf of the owner. Mind you even if it is true that the land is legally acquired, Wike as the FCT minister have the authority to revoke the allocation of the Land.

Many people supporting the boy, are doing it out of their dislike for the govt in power, plus they cannot separate the office of the FCT minister from the person which in thod instance is Wike.

Wike did not visit the land as a private citizen, he was there as the FCT and has the full authority of the law backing him.

Nonsensical take.

If someone legally owns a piece of land, no one can trespass even the FCT minister or president, unless you've a valid warrant. It's called trespass for a reason.

There's a time a citizen asked the prime minister of New Zealand (i think) to stay off his land live on TV and the PM did. That's the law.

And you're also wrong that the minister can whimsically revoke the land except if there are gaps in the paperwork.

FreeStuffsNG:
https://punchng.com/naval-officer-in-face-off-with-wike-breached-the-law-san/

I am not a fan of Wike, but truth be said, the naval officer went to far. The level of impunity by Military personnel should be condemned.
These uniform men must know that they ain't better for the job than other Nigerians. They are just privileged to serve the nation in that capacity. They must therefore respect civilians when discharging their responsibilities.
To those defending the officer, can he stand in "so called ground" against an illiterate Bello Turji and other bandits raving the Noth West, even if he was so ordered by his superior?

Sangoamadioha1:
If the young naval officer is in the wrong why is the CDS backing him.
Why did Wike's security not arrest the young officer. They all know the truth which you are blind to.

don't worry , both the CDS backing him and his superior in the barracks who posted him to a civilian property to keep guard will soon explain to the president and the National Assembly how they subjugate extant laws and due process barrack orders and esprit du Corp you hear . A lt. Colonel tuned musa for gate !

Would you have said same thing if the site were to be yours? Can you go to any empty piece of land and start developing it? Please be reasonable for once and stop pretending not to have been in the country. It was late General Paul ogbebor's wife the other day, the list is just too long. Let your wike calm down, he's not going to be the last fct minister.

loffyloffy:
The young officer was clearly disrespectful to the authority of Mr President, exercised through the office of the FCT minister.

It was realy unwise for him to say the land was legaly acquired, he is just a guared on site, he is not the lawyer of the owner of the land, and he is not authorised to hold brief on behalf of the owner. Mind you even if it is true that the land is legally acquired, Wike as the FCT minister have the authority to revoke the allocation of the Land.

Many people supporting the boy, are doing it out of their dislike for the govt in power, plus they cannot separate the office of the FCT minister from the person which in thod instance is Wike.

Wike did not visit the land as a private citizen, he was there as the FCT and has the full authority of the law backing him.

When it’s convenient they say Abuja is a state and when it’s not they say Abuja is not a state. Very useless lawyer and paid agent of Wike.

FreeStuffsNG:
https://punchng.com/naval-officer-in-face-off-with-wike-breached-the-law-san/