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One of the statements made by Lieutenant Yarima while he was defending his actions of blocking Wike the FCT Minister from access to a property was "once a General, always a General'.

I have done my private research by combing through the Armed Forces Act which established all branches of the Nigerian Armed forces, as well as the Nigerian Constitution which provides their foundational legal authority, and I have seen nothing supporting this frequently bandied assertion that "once a General, always a General'...

If anyone has any legal provision supporting this assertion, please do well to draw it to our attention ...If there is none, then we must call a spade a spade and not a spoon...

As far as I am aware, even the President/Commander-in-Chief, once he leaves office, is not "once a Commander-in-Chief always a Commander-in-Chief' ....All Nigerian Presidents have quietly retired...Even Buhari with all the power he wielded as President, quietly retired to Daura to rest and enjoy his family until he quietly passed on...Even Obasanjo that was both a Military and Democratic President, has never been in the news for constituting a stumbling block to extant authority...

So I am at a loss as to why, someone who has retired from the armed forces as Chief of Naval Staff, will continue giving orders to active members of the armed forces even to the extent of frustrating a sitting Minister's duty...

Of Course I am also aware that senior officers and ex-officers like Buratai and the current CDS have aligned with that Lieutenant's action obeying a retired officer's orders at the expense of an sitting Minister..

But as far as I am concerned, Buratai and the current CDS are simply supporting a system that favors or will favor them in the future... Buratai as EX-COAS enjoys his full perks of retirement which obviously includes the "once a General, always a General' title which grants him certain extra privileges...The sitting CDS is also very aware that he will also retire at some point in the future, so he will be wise to protect that whole "once a General always a General' thing so that he too can enjoy it upon retirement..

However, while in one breath we are berating Wike for lawlessness and abuse of office, we should not in same breath support this whole "once a General always a General' thing if it has no legal foundation, as it will be the height of lawlessness if a few men can sit somewhere and decide that they can drop a uniform and the responsibility/danger/duty that comes with it, but not drop the command benefits and ostensibly illegal perks that go with it...

If we must crucify Wike, we must also examine that retired CNS's authority to issue an order to countermand a sitting Minister...What is good for Greece must also be good for Uganda

After all said and done, these soldiers are employees of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and must like everyone else, be subject to its laws...Even a President isn't always a President issuing laws and stuff after retirement...

Of course all my complains will be moot if someone supplies a law supporting that "once a General always a General' tradition that military retirees frequently rely on to perpetrate impunity outside their service years.

Part of the illegal precedents we inherited from years of military dictatorship. That’s why a lot of people think it is cool for a retired CNS to deploy soldiers to obstruct FCT officials from carrying out their official duties. We have a lot to do to entrench our democracy.

This one is writing epistle as if he's not a Nigerian. Oga wake up from your slumber, This is Nigeria not US or UK.
Most people, including me, supported the action of the officer because of the dislike we have for Wike the toutish minister.

SeverusSnape:
This one is writing epistle as if he's not a Nigerian. Oga wake up from your slumber, This is Nigeria not US or UK.
Most people, including me, supported the action of the officer because of the dislike we have for Wike the toutish minister.

I totally agree that Wike hasn't carried his office with desired dignity

But isn't it hypocrisy to defend an abuse of office against another abuse of office?

Is it now a case of "my abuse of office is better than your own abuse of office"?


In any case, if such hypocrisy makes you sleep well at night, indulge yourself...

buygala:
I totally agree that Wike hasn't carried his office with desired dignity

But isn't it hypocrisy to defend an abuse of office against another abuse of office?

Is it now a case of "my abuse of office is better than your own abuse of office"?


In any case, if such hypocrisy makes you sleep well at night, indulge yourself...

Yes, It makes me sleep well at night. You TUluMbU supporters started the whole hypocrisy thing, Aura for Aura. The country is a disgraced one already, So make we join hand destroy am more.

ALTERNATEID:
Part of the illegal precedents we inherited from years of military dictatorship. That’s why a lot of people think it is cool for a retired CNS to deploy soldiers to obstruct FCT officials from carrying out their official duties. We have a lot to do to entrench our democracy.

It's quite unfortunate that blind hate for Wike has made people support such brazen abuse of former office, all because they think "Wike must be taught a lesson"..

They forget that illegality even if it works in ones favor one time, has a way of coming full circle to show it's ugly side to same person..

But let's not conclude yet...Maybe someone will come up with a law which vests such command authority in a retiree..

If there is none, It is a huge shame and a national embarrassment of humongous proportions...A benefit that even the President does not enjoy is one some uniformed men have extra-legally bestowed on themselves and have been passing it down from Generation to Generation ..

SeverusSnape:
Yes, It makes me sleep well at night. You TUluMbU supporters started the whole hypocrisy thing, Aura for Aura. The country is a disgraced one already, So make we join hand destroy am more.

then let your hypocrisy continue till 2031 and beyond.

SeverusSnape:
Yes, It makes me sleep well at night. You TUluMbU supporters started the whole hypocrisy thing, Aura for Aura. The country is a disgraced one already, So make we join hand destroy am more.

Obviously there is no difference between you and Wike whose downfall you so blindly seek..

SeverusSnape:
This one is writing epistle as if he's not a Nigerian. Oga wake up from your slumber, This is Nigeria not US or UK.
Most people, including me, supported the action of the officer because of the dislike we have for Wike the toutish minister.

It is deeply regrettable that you have chosen to embrace yet another illegality in order to spite the toutish minister you despise.

Hegel was right when he said: the only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.

Most if not all of these online lawyers defending Wike now are the very people who severely abused him and called him many unprintable names just few months ago.
There's truly no honor among thieves.

SisterAnn:
Most if not all of these online lawyers defending Wike now are the very people who severely abused him and called him many unprintable names just few months ago.
There's truly no honor among thieves.

How is this your talk relevant to the issue raised in this thread?

Do you have a law supporting "once a General always a General' or not?

DaddyJapan:
It is deeply regrettable that you have chosen to embrace yet another illegality in order to spite the toutish minister you despise.

Hegel was right when he said: the only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.

Exactly, you're right sir.
Let us all be mad together, It's a useless country already.

Lanretoye:
then let your hypocrisy continue till 2031 and beyond.

Yes, Let's all destroy what's left of the "now DISGRACED country".

buygala:
How is this your talk relevant to the issue raised in this thread?

Do you have a law supporting "once a General always a General' or not?

My brother, check yourself before you wreck yourself. You saw as Wike called the CDS who in turn spoke to the soldier, what do you think the CDS told the soldier that made him continue to stand his ground while Wike had to walk away from the scene, tail tucked between his tails?

Ahaa 😬

You get it now. 😬

SisterAnn:
My brother, check yourself before you wreck yourself. You saw as Wike called the CDS who in turn spoke to the soldier, what do you think the CDS told the soldier that made him continue to stand his ground while Wike had to walk away from the scene, tail tucked between his tails?

Ahaa 😬

You get it now. 😬

Women as usual always missing the point

I guess you didn't read what I said about the CDS

smh

Op it's not about generals. Even wike himself still has oversight over rivers saying no one should touch his structure. If am ex gov still feel he has rights over a current governor what makes you think an ex general has no rights over soldiers. Both are wrong but again this is Nigeria.

Go back and check through the Armed forces act again.

Once an Officer is Commissioned to a rank, He holds that rank for life until he either gets promoted to a higher rank or reduced in rank by a court martial.
A 3 Star general holds that rank for life

In4matic:
Go back and check through the Armed forces act again.

Once an Officer is Commissioned to a rank, He holds that rank for life until he either gets promoted to a higher rank or reduced in rank by a court martial.
A 3 Star general holds that rank for life

Section of said Armed Forces Act?

buygala:
Section of said Armed Forces Act?

I thought you said you went through the entire AFA?
If you did, you wouldn't be asking this question. If you didn't, then download a copy and put in the work

In4matic:
I thought you said you went through the entire AFA?
If you did, you wouldn't be asking this question. If you didn't, then download a copy and put in the work

You no get talk

Less than half the number of characters you used to type this reply is enough to simply type the section ...

But you being you, you choose instead to bushfallow

buygala:
You no get talk

Less than half the number of characters you used to type this reply is enough to simply type the section ...

But you being you, you choose instead to bushfallow

I'm not your Dad, so why should I spoon-feed you? If you want to learn then put in the work and learn instead of rushing to create baseless threads

buygala:
It's quite unfortunate that blind hate for Wike has made people support such brazen abuse of former office, all because they think "Wike must be taught a lesson"..

They forget that illegality even if it works in ones favor one time, has a way of coming full circle to show it's ugly side to same person..

But let's not conclude yet...Maybe someone will come up with a law which vests such command authority in a retiree..

If there is none, It is a huge shame and a national embarrassment of humongous proportions...A benefit that even the President does not enjoy is one some uniformed men have extra-legally bestowed on themselves and have been passing it down from Generation to Generation ..

Issue here is the process. Yerima is not under the command of Wike so can not obey Wike. Even after Wike spoke with the Chief of Defence Staff, and the Chief spoke with Yarima, he rightly knew that the proper thing is to respect order and wait for the former CNS to call Yarima to vacate that place.
As a General talk less of a 3star General and more so you are a CNS, you have you complete Security details for life even after retirement including Orderly and Chief Security Officer who has the responsibility to protect you and your property.
Even as a Commissioner of Police, you will enjoy police protection for the rest of your life
By the way, are you aware that Wike was revoking that land to give it to another person. Is the former CNS not a Nigerian?

Being a General is not an appointment. It's a professional milestone attained through military exploits, sweat, blood and tears. Is there any such thing as a former doctor or former professor? Infact, when it comes to the military, the older, the more respected. IBB remains a rallying point and godfather of many of today's military Generals because a lot of them swore allegiance to him at their NDA POP during his regime as head of state. They remain loyal till date.

AMINDA:
Being a General is not an appointment. It's a professional milestone attained through military exploits, sweat, blood and tears. Is there any such thing as a former doctor or former professor? Infact, when it comes to the military, the older, the more respected. IBB remains a rallying point and godfather of many of today's military Generals because a lot of them swore allegiance to him at their NDA POP during his regime as head of state. They remain loyal till date.

Doctors and professors practice till they die..Consultant Surgeons operate until arthritis or death stops them..Professors teach far into retirement as Emeritus consultants

Why are your retired Generals not leading men into Combat ?...or is only to bark orders and harass poor civilians from their parlors?

A General retired from service is nothing...end of discussion...If you feel otherwise, point out one retired General that has been in combat post retirement ...

Even in the US and the UK where these soldiers go to take courses, Generals there rest after retirement, and don't constitute themselves into an affront to political authority...

buygala:
Women as usual always missing the point

I guess you didn't read what I said about the CDS

smh

Resorting to gender bashing is cheap.

Next..

buygala:
Doctors and professors practice till they die..Consultant Surgeons operate until arthritis or death stops them..Professors teach far into retirement as Emeritus consultants

Why are your retired Generals not leading men into Combat ?...or is only to bark orders and harass poor civilians from their parlors?

A General retired from service is nothing...end of discussion...If you feel otherwise, point out one retired General that has been in combat post retirement ...

Even in the US and the UK where these soldiers go to take courses, Generals there rest after retirement, and don't constitute themselves into an affront to political authority...

Your lineage probably have no one brave enough to enroll into the armed forces. It's the most noble profession in the world but I don't expect your ilk to understand. Generals don't retire. They leave active service and go into the reserves. They can be called upon to serve again during wars or whenever the nation requires it.

buygala:
Doctors and professors practice till they die..Consultant Surgeons operate until arthritis or death stops them..Professors teach far into retirement as Emeritus consultants

Why are your retired Generals not leading men into Combat ?...or is only to bark orders and harass poor civilians from their parlors?

A General retired from service is nothing...end of discussion...If you feel otherwise, point out one retired General that has been in combat post retirement ...

Even in the US and the UK where these soldiers go to take courses, Generals there rest after retirement, and don't constitute themselves into an affront to political authority...

I admire the way you wear ignorance so beautifully like a garment.
Let me point you to another area of research.
Read up on the Man General Ulysses Grant.
Again if you have indeed read the opening sections S. 2 of the AFA, you won't have posted what you just did..

buygala:
One of the statements made by Lieutenant Yarima while he was defending his actions of blocking Wike the FCT Minister from access to a property was "once a General, always a General'.

I have done my private research by combing through the Armed Forces Act which established all branches of the Nigerian Armed forces, as well as the Nigerian Constitution which provides their foundational legal authority, and I have seen nothing supporting this frequently bandied assertion that "once a General, always a General'...

If anyone has any legal provision supporting this assertion, please do well to draw it to our attention ...If there is none, then we must call a spade a spade and not a spoon...

As far as I am aware, even the President/Commander-in-Chief, once he leaves office, is not "once a Commander-in-Chief always a Commander-in-Chief' ....All Nigerian Presidents have quietly retired...Even Buhari with all the power he wielded as President, quietly retired to Daura to rest and enjoy his family until he quietly passed on...Even Obasanjo that was both a Military and Democratic President, has never been in the news for constituting a stumbling block to extant authority...

So I am at a loss as to why, someone who has retired from the armed forces as Chief of Naval Staff, will continue giving orders to active members of the armed forces even to the extent of frustrating a sitting Minister's duty...

Of Course I am also aware that senior officers and ex-officers like Buratai and the current CDS have aligned with that Lieutenant's action obeying a retired officer's orders at the expense of an sitting Minister..

But as far as I am concerned, Buratai and the current CDS are simply supporting a system that favors or will favor them in the future... Buratai as EX-COAS enjoys his full perks of retirement which obviously includes the "once a General, always a General' title which grants him certain extra privileges...The sitting CDS is also very aware that he will also retire at some point in the future, so he will be wise to protect that whole "once a General always a General' thing so that he too can enjoy it upon retirement..

However, while in one breath we are berating Wike for lawlessness and abuse of office, we should not in same breath support this whole "once a General always a General' thing if it has no legal foundation, as it will be the height of lawlessness if a few men can sit somewhere and decide that they can drop a uniform and the responsibility/danger/duty that comes with it, but not drop the command benefits and ostensibly illegal perks that go with it...

If we must crucify Wike, we must also examine that retired CNS's authority to issue an order to countermand a sitting Minister...What is good for Greece must also be good for Uganda

After all said and done, these soldiers are employees of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and must like everyone else, be subject to its laws...Even a President isn't always a President issuing laws and stuff after retirement...

Of course all my complains will be moot if someone supplies a law supporting that "once a General always a General' tradition that military retirees frequently rely on to perpetrate impunity outside their service years.

ur research is flawed



General Esiso Obada(rtd) once deployed army to his town to flog some chiefs for abusing him

Air Vice Marshal Ararile(rtd) a Monach in a town before the main abraka, once deployed men for similar issues too.

My grand father(rtd) once deployed men to counter cultist activities in our area when i was still living with him.


This is the life in the army. They may not give the order directly. They will place a call to the barrack and have the CO deploy men to obey.


Jonathan, Obasanjo, etc, have the legal authority to deploy men for similar occasions too. They were once commander in the armed forces.

They are also entitled to their Ceremonial Military Uniform for life, including a pistol or gun assigned to their offices...


The army is like a cult. Know this and know peace

AMINDA:
Your lineage probably have no one brave enough to enroll into the armed forces. It's the most noble profession in the world but I don't expect your ilk to understand. Generals don't retire. They leave active service and go into the reserves. They can be called upon to serve again during wars or whenever the nation requires it.

The Armed Forces Act designates such retired Generals as civilians who are under civil law, and are only subject to military law if they are recalled to active duty...emphasis on the word "active duty"

If they are not recalled to active duty, they are civilians...nothing more more less

And yes..I have a hard copy of the Armed Forces Acr right here with me...So if you can, direct me to what section give retiree Generals the right to issue commands, even to the extent of Countermanding a sitting Minister of the Republic

Can you tell me who recalled that CNS to active duty giving him the right to countermand an extant Minister of the Federal Republic directly appointed by the Commander-in-Chief?

adamkkk:
ur research is flawed



General Esiso Obada(rtd) once deployed army to his town to flog some chiefs for abusing him

Air Vice Marshal Ararile(rtd) a Monach in a town before the main abraka, once deployed men for similar issues too.

My grand father(rtd) once deployed men to counter cultist activities in our area when i was still living with him.


This is the life in the army. They may not give the order directly. They will place a call to the barrack and have the CO deploy men to obey.


Jonathan, Obasanjo, etc, have the legal authority to deploy men for similar occasions too. They were once commander in the armed forces.

They are also entitled to their Military Uniform for life, including a pistol or gun assigned to their offices...


The army is like a cult. Know this and know peace

Good thing you have cited more cases of Generals conducting themselves illegally.. it's also good you do not have one example of a President, military or not, conducting himself the way those officers you identified conducted themselves...

As the thread suggests, it's either you have a law backing up that recklessness or you don't

buygala:
Good thing you have cited more cases of Generals conducting themselves illegally..mots also good you do not have one example of a President, military or not, conducting himself the way those officers you identified conducted themselves...

As the thread suggests, it's either you have a law backing up that recklessness or you don't

Am not here to argue legality with you, am just making it clear that a retired officer in the army command much respect and can deploy men too for official duties. It is not new in the army. Wike is lucky they did not flog him with koboko, non of those police or dss would do nothing. Na only civilian Wike power take end.

He tried this stunt last year with another retired General in Abuja, the man sent Wike boys running with Koboko and issued warning to Wike to avoid his property, that was the end of it. Go to Google and do the research, you will see it.

These men served their country, let them enjoy their retirement in peace.

I know people that are now useless or rather frustrated because Wike demolished their home even with Legal documents. Wike would claim the land was for this and that and the document is no longer valid.

I know people personally in Abuja that are back to square zero because Wike became FCT Minister and destroyed everything they worked for to achieve in years.

You know what?, those lands are still unused till today. So he just drove them out, destroyed their houses and assign the property to one of this cronies.

Come to Abuja, and interview people in those places and see how people are crying