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AMINDA:
Being a General is not an appointment. It's a professional milestone attained through military exploits, sweat, blood and tears. Is there any such thing as a former doctor or former professor? Infact, when it comes to the military, the older, the more respected. IBB remains a rallying point and godfather of many of today's military Generals because a lot of them swore allegiance to him at their NDA POP during his regime as head of state. They remain loyal till date.

See how you're contradicting yourself.

Incase you don't know, maj.gen, lt.gen and gen as well as its equivalent in the navy and airforce are appointment ranks.

KingAzubuike:
See how you're contradicting yourself.

Incase you don't know, maj.gen, lt.gen and gen as well as its equivalent in the navy and airforce are appointment ranks.

Okay. I know you get the point but if you don't, then Tinubu should appoint Wike as one to balance the scale. Case closed.

KingAzubuike:
See how you're contradicting yourself.

Incase you don't know, maj.gen, lt.gen and gen as well as its equivalent in the navy and airforce are appointment ranks.

Appointment rank is not the same as a political appointment.
It's like the Civilian rank of Permanent Secretary as distinct from the minister that doesn't have to have climbed up the ranks

AMINDA:
Being a General is not an appointment. It's a professional milestone attained through military exploits, sweat, blood and tears. Is there any such thing as a former doctor or former professor? Infact, when it comes to the military, the older, the more respected. IBB remains a rallying point and godfather of many of today's military Generals because a lot of them swore allegiance to him at their NDA POP during his regime as head of state. They remain loyal till date.

^^^
The proof of all the military expertise you talk about should be found in the state of our internal security. As you are no doubt fully aware, this country's security situation is abysmally poor. So what good is all that military expertise for then? What are all those generals doing?

AMINDA:
Your lineage probably have no one brave enough to enroll into the armed forces. It's the most noble profession in the world but I don't expect your ilk to understand. Generals don't retire. They leave active service and go into the reserves. They can be called upon to serve again during wars or whenever the nation requires it.

^^^


While not holding brief for the fellow you quoted, it is highly debatable that soldiering is the most 'noble' profession in the world. Anyone can claim his or her profession is the most noble (whatever that means) - because there isn't an objective measure of nobility.

And you say that generals don't retire? That simply isn't true.

buygala:
One of the statements made by Lieutenant Yarima while he was defending his actions of blocking Wike the FCT Minister from access to a property was "once a General, always a General'.

I have done my private research by combing through the Armed Forces Act which established all branches of the Nigerian Armed forces, as well as the Nigerian Constitution which provides their foundational legal authority, and I have seen nothing supporting this frequently bandied assertion that "once a General, always a General'...

If anyone has any legal provision supporting this assertion, please do well to draw it to our attention ...If there is none, then we must call a spade a spade and not a spoon...

As far as I am aware, even the President/Commander-in-Chief, once he leaves office, is not "once a Commander-in-Chief always a Commander-in-Chief' ....All Nigerian Presidents have quietly retired...Even Buhari with all the power he wielded as President, quietly retired to Daura to rest and enjoy his family until he quietly passed on...Even Obasanjo that was both a Military and Democratic President, has never been in the news for constituting a stumbling block to extant authority...

So I am at a loss as to why, someone who has retired from the armed forces as Chief of Naval Staff, will continue giving orders to active members of the armed forces even to the extent of frustrating a sitting Minister's duty...

Of Course I am also aware that senior officers and ex-officers like Buratai and the current CDS have aligned with that Lieutenant's action obeying a retired officer's orders at the expense of an sitting Minister..

But as far as I am concerned, Buratai and the current CDS are simply supporting a system that favors or will favor them in the future... Buratai as EX-COAS enjoys his full perks of retirement which obviously includes the "once a General, always a General' title which grants him certain extra privileges...The sitting CDS is also very aware that he will also retire at some point in the future, so he will be wise to protect that whole "once a General always a General' thing so that he too can enjoy it upon retirement..

However, while in one breath we are berating Wike for lawlessness and abuse of office, we should not in same breath support this whole "once a General always a General' thing if it has no legal foundation, as it will be the height of lawlessness if a few men can sit somewhere and decide that they can drop a uniform and the responsibility/danger/duty that comes with it, but not drop the command benefits and ostensibly illegal perks that go with it...

If we must crucify Wike, we must also examine that retired CNS's authority to issue an order to countermand a sitting Minister...What is good for Greece must also be good for Uganda

After all said and done, these soldiers are employees of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and must like everyone else, be subject to its laws...Even a President isn't always a President issuing laws and stuff after retirement...

Of course all my complains will be moot if someone supplies a law supporting that "once a General always a General' tradition that military retirees frequently rely on to perpetrate impunity outside their service years.

You obviously don't know anything.. Everywhere, every country, a general will always be a general, a captain will always be a captain.. Since you have combed through all laws, can you please show us where it's written that once a general is out of service, he is no longer a general.. Una go just begin dey gaslight una self thinking you can change the discuss..
Please what is it with you guys for always supporting illegality and harm to the country.. You will always support everything that's harmful to the country thinking you are defending tinubu.. You lot are everywhere defendong bandits since you have never experienced one..
Oga if you are sure abeg paste the law let's see..

ALTERNATEID:
Part of the illegal precedents we inherited from years of military dictatorship. That’s why a lot of people think it is cool for a retired CNS to deploy soldiers to obstruct FCT officials from carrying out their official duties. We have a lot to do to entrench our democracy.

is it cool for a minister to walk around with Dss, police and civil defence...escort bike in his entourage ??

KingAzubuike:
See how you're contradicting yourself.

Incase you don't know, maj.gen, lt.gen and gen as well as its equivalent in the navy and airforce are appointment ranks.

Bro..google no far from you. Rank is not an appointment...Office position is an appointment like "Commander, chief of army staff, head of NYSC, chief of defence etc".

SisterAnn:
Resorting to gender bashing is cheap.

Next..

...very cheap

shortgun:
...very cheap

Top of the morning Papii.

ruggedtimi:
Bro..google no far from you. Rank is not an appointment...Office position is an appointment like "Commander, chief of army staff, head of NYSC, chief of defence etc".

Mr man. Please learn..

Those ranks I listed are appointment ranks..
Best you can retire as a regular is a brigadier general. Anything above that when you still have years of service left are appointment ranks..

Major general- usually for GOCs of divisions.

Lieutenant general- usually designated for the Chief of army staff. There can be only one lieutenant general.

General- usually the CDS. There can be only one general.

A General remains a General,
You cannot address obasanjo as Mr obasanjo even decades of retiring he is still called General olusegun obasanjo, same with IBB, Danjuma, Gowon etc
All junior officers must salute their senior whenever they meet whether retired or not.

Retirement in the Armed forces only means you are not in active service but in reserve as a veteran soldier. You can still be called up when need arises depending on your state of health and age.
ONCE A GENERAL , ALWAYS A GENERAL is absolutely correct.

Even a president after leaving office is still regarded as your Excellency, likewise a Senator, so once a general always a general

buygala:
One of the statements made by Lieutenant Yarima while he was defending his actions of blocking Wike the FCT Minister from access to a property was "once a General, always a General'.

I have done my private research by combing through the Armed Forces Act which established all branches of the Nigerian Armed forces, as well as the Nigerian Constitution which provides their foundational legal authority, and I have seen nothing supporting this frequently bandied assertion that "once a General, always a General'...

If anyone has any legal provision supporting this assertion, please do well to draw it to our attention ...If there is none, then we must call a spade a spade and not a spoon...

As far as I am aware, even the President/Commander-in-Chief, once he leaves office, is not "once a Commander-in-Chief always a Commander-in-Chief' ....All Nigerian Presidents have quietly retired...Even Buhari with all the power he wielded as President, quietly retired to Daura to rest and enjoy his family until he quietly passed on...Even Obasanjo that was both a Military and Democratic President, has never been in the news for constituting a stumbling block to extant authority...

So I am at a loss as to why, someone who has retired from the armed forces as Chief of Naval Staff, will continue giving orders to active members of the armed forces even to the extent of frustrating a sitting Minister's duty...

Of Course I am also aware that senior officers and ex-officers like Buratai and the current CDS have aligned with that Lieutenant's action obeying a retired officer's orders at the expense of an sitting Minister..

But as far as I am concerned, Buratai and the current CDS are simply supporting a system that favors or will favor them in the future... Buratai as EX-COAS enjoys his full perks of retirement which obviously includes the "once a General, always a General' title which grants him certain extra privileges...The sitting CDS is also very aware that he will also retire at some point in the future, so he will be wise to protect that whole "once a General always a General' thing so that he too can enjoy it upon retirement..

However, while in one breath we are berating Wike for lawlessness and abuse of office, we should not in same breath support this whole "once a General always a General' thing if it has no legal foundation, as it will be the height of lawlessness if a few men can sit somewhere and decide that they can drop a uniform and the responsibility/danger/duty that comes with it, but not drop the command benefits and ostensibly illegal perks that go with it...

If we must crucify Wike, we must also examine that retired CNS's authority to issue an order to countermand a sitting Minister...What is good for Greece must also be good for Uganda

After all said and done, these soldiers are employees of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and must like everyone else, be subject to its laws...Even a President isn't always a President issuing laws and stuff after retirement...

Of course all my complains will be moot if someone supplies a law supporting that "once a General always a General' tradition that military retirees frequently rely on to perpetrate impunity outside their service years.

Your whole thread is based on a false statement.

The officer didn't say "once a soldier, always a soldier" as you have attributed him to say. He said, a Vice Admiral is always a Vice Admiral. This is based on Military Tradition. Just as a Former president is still referred to as president. A professor is always a professor eve after retirement. A Senator is always a referred to as a senator eve after he's out of the office.

Tradition. In this case, military tradition.

ruggedtimi:
is it cool for a minister to walk around with Dss, police and civil defence...escort bike in his entourage ??

Do they also obstruct government officials from carrying out their duties?

buygala:
I totally agree that Wike hasn't carried his office with desired dignity

But isn't it hypocrisy to defend an abuse of office against another abuse of office?

Is it now a case of "my abuse of office is better than your own abuse of office"?


In any case, if such hypocrisy makes you sleep well at night, indulge yourself...

Go and cover your face with shame.

You have been wailing over this matter more than Wike and Lere.

The Young Northern officer that disgraced Wike has been commended by the President.

Typing:
Go and cover your face with shame.

You have been wailing over this matter more than Wike and Lere.

The Young Northern officer that disgraced Wike has been commended by the President.

Defense Minister is now the President?

Did you fall on your head as a baby?

buygala:
Defense Minister is now the President?

Did you fall on your head as a baby?

He conveys message from the President.

KingAzubuike:
Mr man. Please learn..

Those ranks I listed are appointment ranks..
Best you can retire as a regular is a brigadier general. Anything above that when you still have years of service left are appointment ranks..

Major general- usually for GOCs of divisions.

Lieutenant general- usually designated for the Chief of army staff. There can be only one lieutenant general.

General- usually the CDS. There can be only one general.

lieutenant General is not an appointment but a rank. COAS is an appointment. The government will confer the position of Chief of Army Staff on the officer, and the Army will promote the individual to the rank of Lieutenant General.

ruggedtimi:
lieutenant General is not an appointment but a rank. COAS is an appointment. The government will confer the position of Chief of Army Staff on the officer, and the Army will promote the individual to the rank of Lieutenant General.

Young man, if you're not in the system or know nothing about the system, don't argue.

The argument wasn't about lieutenant general being an appointment or a rank. The argument is whether it is an appointment rank or not. Even a child knows it is a rank. But incase you're not well grounded in the military, henceforth, note that you have to attain certain appointments to be given such ranks. Hence, lieutenant general is an appointment rank because you have to be on certain appointments to be given such ranks. That's why you can only have one lieutenant general. That's why you can only have one general. GOCs on the other hand can cut across the 8 divisions in the army as well as different corps.

KingAzubuike:
Young man, if you're not in the system or know nothing about the system, don't argue.

The argument wasn't about lieutenant general being an appointment or a rank. The argument is whether it is an appointment rank or not. Even a child knows it is a rank. But incase you're not well grounded in the military, henceforth, note that you have to attain certain appointments to be given such ranks. Hence, lieutenant general is an appointment rank because you have to be on certain appointments to be given such ranks. That's why you can only have one lieutenant general. That's why you can only have one general. GOCs on the other hand can cut across the 8 divisions in the army as well as different corps.

funny guy u dey form military grounded. In Nigeria, it is a tradition to retain the rank of Lieutenant General for the Chief of Army Staff (COAS) and General for the Chief of Defence Staff if he is an army officer.
In other countries, particularly the United States military whose ranking system Nigeria adopted there are several active Lieutenant Generals and Generals serving at the same time. Some govt positions are reserved for a special rank. There is nothing like appointment rank...

Your logic is flawed, even some political positions sef you still hold the name after your tenure just like senators and co

Now will you say an engineer is no longer an engineer when he retires or a professor seize being a professor once he retires??

These are titles that are not given but earned, so you can't even look less on them whether active or not

Even the Wike no be barrister them dey call am, which court you don see am wear robe go before? 😀

ruggedtimi:
funny guy u dey form military grounded. In Nigeria, it is a tradition to retain the rank of Lieutenant General for the Chief of Army Staff (COAS) and General for the Chief of Defence Staff if he is an army officer.
In other countries, particularly the United States military whose ranking system Nigeria adopted there are several active Lieutenant Generals and Generals serving at the same time. Some govt positions are reserved for a special rank. There is nothing like appointment rank...

The COAS is not the only serving Lieutenant General right now.

xcitedjay:
The COAS is not the only serving Lieutenant General right now.

oh okay...thank you.

ruggedtimi:
funny guy u dey form military grounded. In Nigeria, it is a tradition to retain the rank of Lieutenant General for the Chief of Army Staff (COAS) and General for the Chief of Defence Staff if he is an army officer.
In other countries, particularly the United States military whose ranking system Nigeria adopted there are several active Lieutenant Generals and Generals serving at the same time. Some govt positions are reserved for a special rank. There is nothing like appointment rank...

Mr man we are talking about NIgeria, you are talking about USA who run their own thing differently. Why is correction so strange to you?

You're arguing like you even know what you're saying. You're arguing like you're in the system.

Please stop arguing wrongly and blindly.

KingAzubuike:
Mr man we are talking about NIgeria, you are talking about USA who run their own thing differently. Why is correction so strange to you?

You're arguing like you even know what you're saying. You're arguing like you're in the system.

Please stop arguing wrongly and blindly.

there are currently three serving lieutenant general in Nigeria.

ruggedtimi:
there are currently three serving lieutenant general in Nigeria.

So I've even been wasting my time arguing with you since.

You don't even know oluyede has already been promoted to sync with his new role has CDS.
https://www.tvcnews.tv/tinubu-decorates-newly-appointed-service-chiefs-with-new-ranks/

You've just been wasting my time since. You don't even know anything.