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Kukutente23:
Oga the major earner was oil palm followed by cocoa
Groundnut was not even close to the two

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And in your haste, and in your pride, you didn't even look at the figures in your own table, which actually show groundnut as second!

Honestly, no one can teach one who thinks he knows it all.

What a shame.

Kukutente23:
Did you see the numbers or you just want to keep typing
Rest abeg
The average of four is 25%. 20% is still below average so it cannot be major under any guise

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Your table showed groundnut as second highest in case you didn't notice.

DeepSight:
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And in your haste, and in your pride, you didn't even look at the figures in your own table, which actually show groundnut as second!

Honestly, no one can teach one who thinks he knows it all.

What a shame.

You should have asked for clarification and you will be appopriately tutored

The first row is the value of the goods before trading with the marketing boards

The second row is the surplus gotten after trading with the marketing board

I expect you know why so much discrepancy between the values after trading with the boards. It's the normal pre-colonial good boy gets more while bad boy gets less policy. You should be knowledgeable enough to know the good boy and the bad boy

DeepSight:
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Your table showed groundnut as second highest in case you didn't notice.

Naa boy
Cocoa is the second highest earner after palm oil
Groundnut is next and cotton last. You can see the wide discrepancy in values there
The surplus which you're looking at is who gets more money left for him based on colonial percentages. The good boy bad boy syndrome I mentioned earlier

Kukutente23:
You should have asked for clarification and you will be appopriately tutored

The first row is the value of the goods before trading with the marketing boards

The second row is the surplus gotten after trading with the marketing board

I expect you know why so much discrepancy between the values after trading with the boards. It's the normal pre-colonial good boy gets more while bad boy gets less policy. You should be knowledgeable enough to know the good boy and the bad boy

Stop wasting time. Simply admit you goofed. By every metric on your table, groundnut is second.

Now, that's your table, not mine.

I would not produce such a silly table by the way which only refers to trade with one country, Britain.

My own premise was simple, that at 17.5 per cent of Forex as of 1960, no sane person can say groundnut was not major.

Look it's not my business, get fat on your pride.

Jeeeez.

DeepSight:
Stop wasting time. Simply admit you goofed. By every metric on your table, groundnut is second.

Now, that's your table, not mine.

I would not produce such a silly table by the way which only refers to trade with one country, Britain.

My own premise was simple, that at 17.5 per cent of Forex as of 1960, no sane person can say groundnut was not major.

Look it's not my business, get fat on your pride.

Jeeeez.

More ignorance. Who else would a colonial country trade with if not its colonial master. It is because it was Britian that was setting the price that made groundnut have more value than cotton when in actual international trade, cotton was a more sought after commodity than groudnut. But the British preferred groundnut for their domestic needs so the North produced more groundnuts than cotton.

Cocoa is not indigenous to Africa too. It was brought by the colonial masters and it di well in the West and South which made them demand for Western farmers to leave palm oil and concentrate on cocoa production. That's why the Ondo, Ekiti, Oyo, Benin axis remain the hub of cocoa production till today.

Just to educate you, look at the row labelled Initial Reservoir. That's the initial value of the goods produced before the rigmarole of the Colonial office comes in with their marketing boards. These are the figures in pounds:

Groundnut- 448 thousands
Cocoa- 8896 thousands
Cotton- 250 thousands
Palm oil- 11457 thousands

Now regardless of how poor you are with numbers, I expect you to see clearly which has the highest and which is second from the plainly written above

Kukutente23:

More ignorance. Who else would a colonial country trade with if not its colonial master. It is because it was Britian that was setting the price that made groundnut have more value than cotton when in actual international trade, cotton was a more sought after commodity than groudnut. But the British preferred groundnut for their domestic needs so the North produced more groundnuts than cotton.

Cocoa is not indigenous to Africa too. It was brought by the colonial masters and it di well in the West and South which made them demand for Western farmers to leave palm oil and concentrate on cocoa production. That's why the Ondo, Ekiti, Oyo, Benin axis remain the hub of cocoa production till today.

Just to educate you, look at the row labelled Initial Reservoir. That's the initial value of the goods produced before the rigmarole of the Colonial office comes in with their marketing boards. These are the figures in pounds:

Groundnut- 448 thousands
Cocoa- 8896 thousands
Cotton- 250 thousands
Palm oil- 11457 thousands

Now regardless of how poor you are with numbers, I expect you to see clearly which has the highest and which is second from the plainly written above

I am not looking at anything.

You can't even escape on that because this goes beyond 1960.

At all events, just enjoy.

Anyone who says groundnut was not major for this country needs to have their head examined.

End of.

DeepSight:
I am not looking at anything.

You can't even escape on that because this goes beyond 1960.

At all events, just enjoy.

Anyone who says groundnut was not major for this country needs to have their head examined.

End of.

Do you kknow that Nigeria is the world's largest producer of yams. How much does it fetch us in international trade compared to oil and maize for example?
If you were president today, would you focus more energy on yam or millet given their internationa prices? Yam ($1075 per ton) millet($2485 per ton)

@ Deepsight

Look below for the value of imports and exports for Southern Nigeria and Northern Nigeria in the years 1908 and 1909 before amalgamation. You can see how far apart the values of export are for both protectorates.

That should tell you if North was a major revenue earner compared to south or not

You can take your time to feast and acquaint yourself with the figures while you're in the gulag you drew yourself into

I wish you peace and sedation

Kukutente23:
You're mixing different things up
Indigeneship simply means a place where one is a native. The recognise source of one's familial and ancestral identity
Yorubas do not recognise two ancestral lines for their people. They recognise the paternal line as a person's ancestry
What you're describing above is what happens when one is banished or runs away from his fatherland for any reason whatsoever. Settling in one's motherland is not an exclusive Yoruba thing. Even the Binis also recognise such. Even the English royal family had cause to do same in their history.
The point I'm making is that all those you listed does not imply in anyway that Yorubas recognise dual ancestry. For example. Sango is an Oyo indigene till today. I've never heard anyone say he's an Indigene of Bida or any Nupe town even though his mother was Nupe. Same goes for the Olu of Warri. His mother is Benin but he is recognised as being from Yoruba descent even though Warri is culturally closer to the Binis.
Ancestry does not change even if your location changes. There are Ijebus who have lived in Lagos for over 100 years but they still recognise their Ijebu ancestry. Some of them are even indigenes of Lagos but they still claim to be Ijebu. The Oba of Lagos is Bini ancestry even when they have Yoruba matronal descent.
So there's nowhere in Yoruba culture where a man will claim dual indigeneship.
And take note of this. Rulership is by bloodline not indigeneship. Someone of royal blood can become a king anywhere regardless of whether he's indigenous to the place or not. There are multiple examples throughout history

You cannot teach us our own Native Culture

We live it and we understand it far better than you do

Our Customs are different from your own

The Throne of Lagos went through the Maternal line to reach Ologun Kutere who had Ijesha Father and Lagos Princess mother.

Just stick to your Own Regions Culture and History and we will stick to our in SW

Previous Alake of Egbaland Lipede got to the Throne through Maternal lineage

And you know how important Alake of Egba is to Yorubaland

You cannot teach us our History and Heritage
Please Stick to your own and respect your hosts when elsewhere

Kukutente23:
That Ambode is ilaje does not automatically make him an indigene of Lagos
There are ilajes that are indigenous to Ondo and even Ogun state
That someone is Ijebu does not make them indigenous to Lagos as well
There Ijebus that are indigenous to Ogun while there are Ijebus that are indigenous to Oyo state, ibadan to be precise
You claim to be Yoruba yet you don't even know much about indigenous relationships in Yorubaland
Are you going to say all Yorubas are indigenes of Osun state now?

Sorry Lekki, Ikorodu and Epe are Ijebu homeland.
All in Lagos

DelilahMakinde:
Sorry Lekki, Ikorodu and Epe are Ijebu homeland.
All in Lagos

No one disputes that.

Does it make al Ijebus indigenes of Lagos? That's the big question christistruth00 couldn't decipher

Kukutente23:
No one disputes that.

Does it make al Ijebus indigenes of Lagos? That's the big question christistruth00 couldn't decipher

According to my thread it does actually

Check it out

https://www.nairaland.com/8561549/indeginous-peoples-lagos

Christistruth03:
You cannot teach us our own Native Culture

We live it and we understand it far better than you do

Our Customs are different from your own

The Throne of Lagos went through the Maternal line to reach Ologun Kutere who had Ijesha Father and Lagos Princess mother.

Just stick to your Own Regions Culture and History and we will stick to our in SW

But Lagos is not even a Yoruba name to start with. It has Portuguese origins. Why didn't you tell the Portuguese to stick to Portuguese culture instead of naming Lagos for you?
More importantly, indigene as we are discussing is under the context of Nigerian laws not Yoruba laws. In Yorubaland ab initio, there is no Lagos, Ogun, Oyo, Osun, Ondo or Ekiti states. These are creation of the Nigerian state and should be interrogated in that context!

Kukutente23:
@ Deepsight

Look below for the value of imports and exports for Southern Nigeria and Northern Nigeria in the years 1908 and 1909 before amalgamation. You can see how far apart the values of export are for both protectorates.

That should tell you if North was a major revenue earner compared to south or not

You can take your time to feast and acquaint yourself with the figures while you're in the gulag you drew yourself into

I wish you peace and sedation

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I am not studying jack.
I never entered into any North vs South debate.

I have told you -

You said groundnut was not major for this country.
I said it was.

Take those two lines anywhere in the world, you can never win. Not before a school kid, and not before professors of economics.

I have advised you repeatedly against unreasonable pride. It does not make one come across as better in any regard. It rather presents a very dim view of both intellect and character.

End of.

DelilahMakinde:
According to my thread it does actually

Check it out

https://www.nairaland.com/8561549/indeginous-peoples-lagos

You mean an Ijebu from Ibadan is also an indigene of Lagos? How so?

Kukutente23:
You mean an Ijebu from Ibadan is also an indigene of Lagos? How so?

It's much easier for him to be an indigene than someone from Zamfara

DeepSight:
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I am not studying jack.
I never entered into any North vs South debate.

I have told you -

You said groundnut was not major for this country.
I said it was.

Take those two lines anywhere in the world, you can never win. Not before a school kid, and not before professors of economics.

I have advised you repeatedly against unreasonable pride. It does not make one come across as better in any regard. It rather presents a very dim view of both intellect and character.

End of.

But you have not been able to advance any evidence to support your claim while I have two here now
Yet you accuse me of pride? Where's the logic here?

DelilahMakinde:
Sorry Lekki, Ikorodu and Epe are Ijebu homeland.
All in Lagos

Thank you !!!!!!

He is just looking for trouble trying to teach us who to accept as our own in Yorubaland

His type could see Ijebu in Lagos and start insulting them not knowing that they are owners of Lagos.

It is annoying

Christistruth03:
Thank you !!!!!!

He is just looking for trouble trying to teach us who to accept as our own in Yorubaland

Imagine that !

DelilahMakinde:
It's much easier for him to be an indigene than someone from Zamfara

There is no such thing as "ease of indigeneship"
You are either an indigene or you're not. Indigeneship is not a cloth you change as you wish
So can an Ijebu man from Ibadan, Oyo state claim to be an indigene of Lagos?
If so, what do you have against a Fulani from Adamawa claiming to be an indigene of Ilorin and the rest of Yorubaland by extension?

Kukutente23:
But you have not been able to advance any evidence to support your claim while I have two here now
Yet you accuse me of pride? Where's the logic here?

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Even the table you presented was against you but you think you can dance around it with good boy/ bad boy claptrap.
The evidence abounds, not that its something anyone needs to specially bring evidence for. Its quite as bad as asking for evidence that there was an oil boom in this country.

I am done with this subject.

Christistruth03:
Thank you !!!!!!

He is just looking for trouble trying to teach us who to accept as our own in Yorubaland

His type could see Ijebu in Lagos and start insulting them not knowing that they are owners of Lagos.

It is annoying

Why will a grown man be annoyed with facts and evidence?

No wonder you quickly diverted to bigotry to cover up your lack of depth on the matter

Pity

DeepSight:
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Even the table you presented was against you but you think you can dance around it with good boy/ bad boy claptrap.
The evidence abounds, not that its something anyone needs to specially bring evidence for. Its quite as bad as asking for evidence that there was an oil boom in this country.

I am done with this subject.

No it wasn't. I explained it clearly to you and you got a vein on your forehead almost immediately

What about the second proof that shows a large gulf in export revenue between the North and the South

How do you wish that away?

Kukutente23:
No it wasn't. I explained it clearly to you and you got a vein on your forehead almost immediately

What about the second proof that shows a large gulf in export revenue between the North and the South

How do you wish that away?

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I never entered into any discussion about North and South.

DeepSight:
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I never entered into any discussion about North and South.

You don't seem to have a good knowledge of the subject

Kukutente23:
You don't seem to have a good knowledge of the subject

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What subject.

I tackled one issue and one issue only. The joke of a claim that groundnut was not major in Nigeria.

Go and sleep.

DeepSight:
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What subject.

I tackled one issue and one issue only. The joke of a claim that groundnut was not major in Nigeria.

Go and sleep.

What part of Nigeria was groundnut majorly produced?

Kukutente23:
What part of Nigeria was groundnut majorly produced?

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In the part of Nigeria called Kathmandu-Timbuktu-Warri.
Shaaaarrraaaaaaaaaappppp dia!

Kukutente23:
Why will a grown man be annoyed with facts and evidence?

No wonder you quickly diverted to bigotry to cover up your lack of depth on the matter

Pity

So you are still hanging on to Ojukwu's lies and Propaganda?

It will do you no good

Look around you
You are the only one fighting against Lagos looking after it's indigenes and you are not even from the SW and your own region is looking after it's own indigenes as we speak

That behaviour is so shameful, hateful and pathetic