₦airaland Forum

Iamzik:
I will ask you just one question

On what basis are soldiers deployed to pooling stations during elections? Do soldiers have a constitutional role in Nigeria's electoral process?

Based on request from INEC and such deployment is approved by Mr. President.

ALTERNATEID:
The part in bold is the point a lot of Nigerians are missing. On what basis should our military be deployed to protect a construction site with a directive to shoot government officials who are on routine monitoring exercise? Are we in a war situation with another country over the property? Is that what we’ve reduced our armed personnel to? Instead of deploying soldiers to fight terrorism and protect the territorial integrity of Nigeria, we now deploy them with the directive to shoot government officials over an illegally acquired land. What a shame.

Like I’ve said before, all the soldiers involved in that illegal operation and show of shame including the person that deployed them to that site should have been arrested by the police and charged to court. I condone impunity far too much in this country and that’s why people get away with a lot of rubbish.

And you are missing the point that Wike had no business rushing to the site to physically confront the soldiers. This statement my Galadima is all shades of wrong - “We noticed the impending danger because armed men were strategically positioned, ready to shoot. And seeing this, I sent a distress call to the Honourable Minister."
Wike is not the courts, nor is he the police. If someone contravenes the building laws, or a landed property is in dispute, the appropriate place to seek redress is the courts, and not to seek self help using thugs and powerful individuals. It would then become a clash of powers as we witnessed. Wike no be superman or spiderman, wey dey help other government officials seek justice or revenge outside the justice system.

Comfyonos2019:
Routine monitoring exercise with bulldozers and payloaders, oh come off it. Nobody is a kid. This is pure damage control. Do the fcta workers move with dozers in the bush. Wike went there for land grabbing and if he noticed a high ranking retired officer was developing that place without approval, why not invite him to regularise his papers. Wike met his match , he should go back and claim the land so that the whole world will clap for him

Land grabbing how? Wike can legally revoke any title in FCT so there is no issue of land grabbing. All the lands in FCT is vested in him by law. The land in question doesn’t belong to the former CNS. He has no title, no CofO and no approved building plan. He has absolutely no business building on that land in the first place.

ALTERNATEID:
Based on request from INEC and such deployment is approved by Mr. President.

Also add that protection of the life and properties of senior military officers by and armed soldiers is approved by the president

ncoolsome:
So routine exercises are now done with caterpillars ? Secondly what stops the FCTA from taking the matter to court to seek redress..

lol. The CNS should go to court if he has valid papers and not the other way round. Deploying soldiers to the site illegally to obstruct FCT officials from doing their job is a resort to self help.

ALTERNATEID:
The part in bold is the point a lot of Nigerians are missing. On what basis should our military be deployed to protect a construction site with a directive to shoot government officials who are on routine monitoring exercise? Are we in a war situation with another country over the property? Is that what we’ve reduced our armed personnel to? Instead of deploying soldiers to fight terrorism and protect the territorial integrity of Nigeria, we now deploy them with the directive to shoot government officials over an illegally acquired land. What a shame.

Like I’ve said before, all the soldiers involved in that illegal operation and show of shame including the person that deployed them to that site should have been arrested by the police and charged to court. I condone impunity far too much in this country and that’s why people get away with a lot of rubbish.

erm, wait o, why do you have to go to a disputed land to ask for documents when you can easily contact or summon the owner to provide the documents? If he doesn't provide it, then you use the Courts to do it...why use force?
If the owner looses in court, having built whatever on the land will be his own greater loss. Don't you think so?

ALTERNATEID:
Land grabbing how? Wike can legally revoke any title in FCT so there is no issue of land grabbing. All the lands in FCT is vested in him by law. The land in question doesn’t belong to the former CNS. He has no title, no CofO and no approved building plan. He has absolutely no business building on that land in the first place.

Yes, wike can legally revoke titles in FCT, but has to be done within the confines of the law. He cannot just wake up and revoke land acquired legally without without valid reasons.

bixton:
Does it fall under military jurisdiction or civilian jurisdiction ?

ofcourse you know that any public issue a civilian has with any military officer, it is not his place to even start calling him a fool takless of taking him to a civilian court.
The least the civilian can do is to hand him over to the appropriate military authorities.

Do you know what will happen to that officer if he is brought before the civilian court if he is found wanting and his uniform removed?

That will only happen if his uniform is removed first

wirinet:
And you are missing the point that Wike had no business rushing to the site to physically confront the soldiers. This statement my Galadima is all shades of wrong - “We noticed the impending danger because armed men were strategically positioned, ready to shoot. And seeing this, I sent a distress call to the Honourable Minister."
Wike is not the courts, nor is he the police. If someone contravenes the building laws, or a landed property is in dispute, the appropriate place to seek redress is the courts, and not to seek self help using thugs and powerful individuals. It would then become a class of powers. Wike no be superman or spiderman, wey dey help other government officials seek justice or revenge outside the justice system.

As in, had that officer not called his guys to order, just one wrong move at that site on that day could have been catastrophic.

Inspirer1:
erm, wait o, why do you have to go to a disputed land to ask for documents when you can easily contact or summon the owner to provide the documents? If he doesn't provide it, then you use the Courts to do it...why use force?
If the owner looses in court, having built whatever on the land will be his own greater loss. Don't you think so?

You sure don’t know what had happened before the confrontation on Tuesday. They have asked for his documents and they’ve seen that he has no valid documents and shouldn’t be there in the first place. They told him to stop work and he refused. Instead, he deployed soldiers to the site.

And no, it is not for FCT to go to court. If the CNS feels he has valid documents, he should be the one to go to court and not the other way round. Deploying soldiers to the site is not only illegal, it is a resort to self help. Absolute impunity. Sadly for him, the game is up. He will never be allowed to develop that place.

ALTERNATEID:
lol. The CNS should go to court if he has valid papers and not the other way round. Deploying soldiers to the site illegally to obstruct FCT officials from doing their job is a resort to self help.

It is not the CNS that should go to court but Wike and FCTA, abi Wike dey fear court? Shebi him be lawyer? You want someone to go to court after his property (even if it is disputed) has been destroyed, the land allocated to another person and it has been redeveloped.

wirinet:
Yes, wike can legally revoke titles in FCT, but has to be done within the confines of the law. He cannot just wake up and revoke land acquired legally without without valid reasons.

The CNS has no legal title in the first place. Where is the R of O? Where is the certificate of occupancy? Where is the allocation letter? Where is the building approval from development control? So, what title are you talking about here?

ALTERNATEID:
You sure don’t know what had happened before the confrontation on Tuesday. They have asked for his documents and they’ve seen that he has no valid documents and shouldn’t be there in the first place. They told him to stop work and he refused. Instead, he deployed soldiers to the site.

And no, it is not for FCT to go to court. If the CNS feels he has valid documents, he should be the one to go to court and not the other way round. Deploying soldiers to the site is not only illegal, it is a resort to self help. Absolute impunity. Sadly for him, the game is up. He will never be allowed to develop that place.

I am a human right activist, and we handle possession cases every week. It is illegal in Nigeria to take possession of a disputed property without a valid court order, not to talk of bringing in bulldozers to completely destroy the property.

ALTERNATEID:
The CNS has no legal title in the first place. Where is the R of O? Where is the certificate of occupancy? Where is the allocation letter? Where is the building approval from development control? So, what title are you talking about here?

The CNS claimed he bought it from the person that initially bought the Land - Santos Nigeria Limited. Even Wike did not dispute the CNS bought the Land. Wike's argument was that he revoked the sale of the land because the purpose for which Santos was allocated the land was changed, from park to residential without FCDA approval. He then claimed the CNS was scammed. The CNS did not just walk into the land with soldiers to claim it. The matter should have been taken to court by FCDA to recover the property legally.

Iamzik:
I will ask you just one question

On what basis are soldiers deployed to pooling stations during elections? Do soldiers have a constitutional role in Nigeria's electoral process?

So u don't know this... Some of una just waste school fee throway... who'll protect the citizens from internal attack?is it bandit or Boko Haram? ...ewu

People supporting the Yerima or army against Wike are doing that out of hatred for Wike. Wike might be arrogant or lack diplomacy in settling issues but notwithstanding he is right in this land matter. How could someone bought land for the past 18 years in FCT and kept it without developing it and still have the audacity to deploy Soldiers to the land when he is no longer in service all because he was once a topnotch officer. This is what you will never see in developed nation except in a country like ours and still seeing people hailing same illegal actions.

Wike holds these guys for blockus just imagine nonsense apology

No be Wike pack all of them go the land to embarass them ni, he now disgraced himself and them then these officials are now apologizing to him

You cant tell me these guys were not with Wike at the site

Pray not to have a boss like Wike o, unfortunately most nigeria ogas are like this

Employer mess up, employee they apologize

Islie:
FCTA Apologises To Wike Over Open Spat With Naval Officer, Insists Disputed Land Is Illegal




https://leadership.ng/fcta-apologises-to-wike-over-open-spat-with-naval-officer-insists-disputed-land-is-illegal/

All orchestrated by Wike to curry sympathy for the public...so shameful what Wike did... Simple

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Like I’ve said before, all the soldiers involved in that illegal operation and show of shame including the person that deployed them to that site should have been arrested by the police and charged to court. I condone impunity far too much in this country and that’s why people get away with a lot of rubbish.

Assuming without considi.g that the soldiers has been ordered to man the place, which is some how,due to insecurity in Abuja..
The soldiers are not ment to be abused in any regard.

The hatred some Nigerians have for Wike is so intense that they ignore the substance and chase shadows.

The bone of contention is the legality or otherwise of developing a plot of land in the FCT by any individual or corporate entity.

In this case, the retired CNS doesn't have the requisite papers and permission to build or develop the said plot of land.

What is required of him (the retired CNS) is for him to provide or show the "statutory right of occupancy" issued to him by FCTA.

Instead of doing that, he resorted to taking laws into his hands by illegally deploying armed naval officers to the site with the firm mandate to shoot at anyone who dares to stop the illegal project.

This is a criminal act which must be condemned by all and sundry, instead of aiding and abetting his intransigence.

Nigeria is not a banana republic!





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wirinet:
The CNS claimed he bought it from the person that initially bought the Land - Santos Nigeria Limited. Even Wike did not dispute the CNS bought the Land. Wike's argument was that he revoked the sale of the land because the purpose for which Santos was allocated the land was changed, from park to residential without FCDA approval. He then claimed the CNS was scammed. The CNS did not just walk into the land with soldiers to claim it. The matter should have been taken to court by FCDA to recover the property legally.

Santos got a letter of intent for parks and garden since 2007. By that alone, the land is up for revocation. You can’t get a land and not use it for the intended purpose for such a long time.

Santos then sold it to people like the CNS for residential housing. So, can Santos sell residential land to the former CNS when Santos does not have a residential land allocation? Can you sell what you don’t have? In Sales of goods Act, that’s an invalid contract because Santos does not have what it is trying to sell. If the former CNS failed to carry out due diligence and still went ahead to pay Santos for the land, that’s his loss. The only remedy he has is to sue Santos for a refund and not deploy soldiers to forcefully take over the land. That’s illegal and a resort to self help.

Even for people with valid CofO, they still can’t build without a building plan approval from FCT development control. If you build without approval, FCT had the legal right to pull down the building.

So, tell your former CNS to go to court if he truly believes he has legal right over the land. He should be the one going to court and not the other way round. He will never be allowed to build that land so it’s better to approach the court if he thinks he has a case.

The FG should step in and resolve this this matter so as not to set a bad precedent.
Two key points :
1. Wike should be made to apologize to the military officer for using abusive languages on him. The officer was just following an order which is part of their training.

2 Since it is confirmed that the title document on the land is not genuine, the land should be revoked to show that due process must be followed to acquire any property no matter who you are or claim to be.

kilmot:
I also believe you are also missing something. You need to find out what happened before the soldiers were mobilize to the site don't just jump to defend nonsense cos the minister acted foolishly before the world and I won't be surprise if he pushed them to issue this public apology to make him look good before the general public. Fear who no fear politician. Someone who said "you are fool" several times on camera and later denied saying it haaaaa.
This man can deny pregnancy. So no just reason am.

One lesson we most all no there is abuse of power by the army

But the officer yerima was just following order which there are told to do without asking

So the senior officer the post them to guard a private property need to be charged

And the retired senior officer need to be strep of his entailment
Who no how many more he will have done when is in active service

Taxe payer money waste on private and personal duty


Also Wike should apologize to all the personal that follow him for putting there life at risk

If one of dose soldier is having post war tramer what do you think will have happened there and then

Reloadedisraelp:
So u don't know this... Some of una just waste school fee throway... who'll protect the citizens from internal attack?is it bandit or Boko Haram? ...ewu

Resorting to insult instead of answering a simple question is a sign of low IQ.

Soldiers were deployed during 2023 election in Lagos. Was there bandits or bokoharam attack in Lagos?

Let's hope you can answer this one instead of throwing emotional tantrum on the internet

ALTERNATEID:
Based on request from INEC and such deployment is approved by Mr. President.

Ok so why is it difficult for you to understand that based on request the military can also be deployed to protect a private property?

chidiokay:
Go nd check Wike countenance when the officier said. "i have integrity"

Lol the look on his face was priceless 🤣🤣🤣

Iamzik:
Ok so why is it difficult for you to understand that based on request the military can also be deployed to protect a private property?

lol. So Mr. President approved the deployment of soldiers to protect a disputed land? Do you guys even think at all before saying some of these weird stuff? You think deployment of soldiers is a joke, right?

ALTERNATEID:
lol. So Mr. President approved the deployment of soldiers to protect a disputed land? Do you guys even think at all before saying some of these weird stuff? You think deployment of soldiers is a joke, right?

The military does not need C-in-C approval to deploy a small group of soldiers to protect a property.

Private properties of politicians all over abuja are protected by small groups of soldiers .....don't tell me you don't know this.

So why is this one different because wike is involved? If the military can send their men to protects politician's property. Why do you think that a general cannot send his boys to protect his own property?

ALTERNATEID:
You sure don’t know what had happened before the confrontation on Tuesday. They have asked for his documents and they’ve seen that he has no valid documents and shouldn’t be there in the first place. They told him to stop work and he refused. Instead, he deployed soldiers to the site.

And no, it is not for FCT to go to court. If the CNS feels he has valid documents, he should be the one to go to court and not the other way round. Deploying soldiers to the site is not only illegal, it is a resort to self help. Absolute impunity. Sadly for him, the game is up. He will never be allowed to develop that place.

One simple question for you, if a landlord wants to evict a tenant who has refused to move out after his rent is due, who goes to the Court to start the process of eviction Landlord or tenant?

2. Despite knowing that a Naval officer and armed naval personnel were on the land, so is it ideal to go to the same land with armed men too, to have a shooting face off or what? If that had happened will they be satisfied?

3. No-one is saying the land can't be revoked, Government own all lands, and can revoke, the argument is on the method used which could have led to death.
Be civil, use the Courts and not physical confrontation, after all, the land can't be moved or kept somewhere else, and like I said earlier, even if he builds a skyscraper on it, Government can still claim the land and it will be his own loss.

Iamzik:
The military does not need C-in-C approval to deploy a small group of soldiers to protect a property.

Private properties of politicians all over abuja are protected by small groups of soldiers .....don't tell me you don't know this.

So why is this one different because wike is involved? If the military can send their men to protects politician's property. Why do you think that a general cannot send his boys to protect his own property?

When it comes to deploying soldiers for internal security, the approval of Mr. President is required. Military only deploy soldiers to protect senior military personnel and Military formations. They don’t deploy soldiers to protect a building site on a disputed land.

Those soldiers you see in residential houses are strictly posted to protect a senior military personnel. They are to protect the life of the senior officer and not to be used to fight over construction sites.

Inspirer1:
One simple question for you, if a landlord wants to evict a tenant who has refused to move out after his rent is due, who goes to the Court to start the process of eviction Landlord or tenant?

2. Despite knowing that a Naval officer and armed naval personnel were on the land, so is it ideal to go to the same land with armed men too, to have a shooting face off or what? If that had happened will they be satisfied?

3. No-one is saying the land can't be revoked, Government own all lands, and can revoke, the argument is on the method used which could have led to death.
Be civil, use the Courts and not physical confrontation, after all, the land can't be moved or kept somewhere else, and like I said earlier, even if he builds a skyscraper on it, Government can still claim the land and it will be his own loss.

FCT does not need to take anybody to court over this matter. The former CNS was never a legal occupant of the land at any time so the issue of seeking a court process to remove him does not arise. If you build on FCT land without title and approval, your building will be pulled down without any court proceedings. If you then feel that FCT had acted illegally, you have the right to take FCT to court.