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Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op):
Breaking News: You have an enemy who is constantly prowling about looking for whom to devour. There is a battle waging for your soul. Don’t be ignorant of your enemies' devices.

The kingdom suffers violence, only the violent possess it by force. Learn his tactics so you can be on the offense and on the defense.

Look at how satan deceived Eve with mind tricks: ‘did Yahweh really say that? Surely you shall not die…but you shall be enlightened..’

Today, satan is still tricking with false doctrines promulgated out there. “Did Christ really say Christians will be here for the great tribulation? Surely Yahweh will not bruise and batter his bride in His wrath”.

Look at Christ’s temptation in the desert. satan says, ‘If you really are Son of Yahweh, turn this stone to bread….worship me and I will give you all this fame and fortune; throw yourself down, surely Yahweh will send His angel to assist you.

Today, satan still deceive people with false theologies and false promises of wealth & glory. “Live your life the way you want, you will not surely lose your salvation; surely the LORD will not pluck you out of His hand. Once saved always saved no matter what heinous unrepentant sin or unholy life you live”.

Be on guard. Don't fall for the lies, half truths and twisted truths.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 2:44pm On Apr 07, 2025
Newsflash: Satan knows scripture and quote it, only to twist and perverse it to suit his own. You too must know your scripture and be able to quote it back to satan.

Friend, learn how Christ defeated satan; HE used scripture against satan. Anyone can justify just about anything by misusing and abusing scripture. YOU must know scripture too so not to fall into these traps. Study to show yourself approved, rightly dividing the Word.

Devil steals, kills, destroys, perverse, twists, corrupts. He was once an angel of Light, thus satan knows things of the spiritual realm and things of Yahweh. Satan retained his power and knowledge when he fell. #KEY. KNOW THIS. For he still uses his knowledge of the divine to trick, deceive, manipulate and deceive.

Devil has no original thought. He has never created nor will ever create anything. What he does are to imitate and counterfeit the Divine.

If you want to know what the LORD is doing, or planning to do: look at what the devil is already doing first. The devil sometimes gets a preview of Yahweh’s master plan, but what he does is he produces perversion, counterfeit or corrupt copy so in order to sabotage that thing the LORD is intending to do.

To know this secret is to know wisdom of ages.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 3:42pm On Aug 23, 2025
Why YHVH allows falsehoods (false religion, ministers and false doctrines) and massive deception to continue. It's a weed out process.

Think competitive sport. Think competitive job market for limited spot. Think ivy league school. Think the Olympic games and limited medals.

Why should the kingdom of Yahweh be any different? Read why HaShem too has designed the Christian life to be 'tough'. Hint: heaven has limited seats.

Paul compares Christianity as a competitive race in which we are running to win a prize at the end- if you do not drop out of the race and you make it to the finish line. Why? Heaven has very limited spots.

Here’s a stunning secret to the kingdom that many so called Christians don’t realize.

Hashem allows the false religions, false ministers whatever tittle they wear, false gospels and grand deception because it’s a weed-out process. You are in a race for a limited crown and limited spot in the kingdom of Heaven in the next life.

the dimension of the New Jerusalem is given in the books of Ezekiel and Revelation. There’s NOT enough land mass/space for every soul that has ever existed or will exist.

You have a real contender in this race. The devil, the adversary is your rival, and your opponent. The adversary wants you on his side; and he works thru church folks to make this happen.

THAT entertaining church of yours, that favorite pastor of yours, that YT personality who tickle your ears and pacify you in your lukewarmness and mediocrity are NOT your brethren in Christ. . You are in competition with them for a limited spot in the kingdom.

THIS Is why scripture admonishes to fight the good fight of faith, run with endurance, resist sin and devil to inherit the eternal reward and everlasting life.

THIS is why LORD Yeshua said, ‘the road to life is narrow, few find it….’. It’s designed to be tough and narrow so that ‘few’ follow it.
There’s a reason why Yeshua’s parables compare the kingdom of heaven as a treasure hidden in the fields.


Brethren, it’s time to see heaven as a highly competitive Job, a profession, an ivy league school and an Olympics sport. You are competing for a limited number for the heavenly crown and for a place in the heavenly.

THIS is why scripture is full of admonitions to:

Run with endurance. Fight the good fight of faith. Stand firm. Resist the devil. Flee from fleshly/worldly desires. Keep Holiness without which no man will see YHVH. Repent. So that you might get the crown of life, a name, a pillar and a space in the kingdom of Heaven.

Life is a game. Christianity is a competitive sport. The devil works thru people (yes, this includes your pastor) as your opponent. Play to win.

Run to finish line to receive the limited crown of life and a spot in the kingdom.

MANY ARE CALLED ( ‘CHRISTIANS’) BUT ONLY VERY FEW A SELECTED (MAKE IT TO HEAVEN).

LET THIS SINK IN. DONT BE DECEIVED. LET NO MAN PREVENT YOU FROM RECEIVING THE CROWN OF LIFE.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by Truthseeker10: 4:05pm On Aug 23, 2025
SeraphEl:
Why YHVH allows falsehoods (false religion, ministers and false doctrines) and massive deception to continue. It's a weed out process.

Think competitive sport. Think competitive job market for limited spot. Think ivy league school. Think the Olympic games and limited medals.

Why should the kingdom of Yahweh be any different? Read why HaShem too has designed the Christian life to be 'tough'. Hint: heaven has limited seats.

Paul compares Christianity as a competitive race in which we are running to win a prize at the end- if you do not drop out of the race and you make it to the finish line. Why? Heaven has very limited spots.

Here’s a stunning secret to the kingdom that many so called Christians don’t realize.

Hashem allows the false religions, false ministers whatever tittle they wear, false gospels and grand deception because it’s a weed-out process. You are in a race for a limited crown and limited spot in the kingdom of Heaven in the next life.

the dimension of the New Jerusalem is given in the books of Ezekiel and Revelation. There’s NOT enough land mass/space for every soul that has ever existed or will exist.

You have a real contender in this race. The devil, the adversary is your rival, and your opponent. The adversary wants you on his side; and he works thru church folks to make this happen.

THAT entertaining church of yours, that favorite pastor of yours, that YT personality who tickle your ears and pacify you in your lukewarmness and mediocrity are NOT your brethren in Christ. . You are in competition with them for a limited spot in the kingdom.

THIS Is why scripture admonishes to fight the good fight of faith, run with endurance, resist sin and devil to inherit the eternal reward and everlasting life.

THIS is why LORD Yeshua said, ‘the road to life is narrow, few find it….’. It’s designed to be tough and narrow so that ‘few’ follow it.
There’s a reason why Yeshua’s parables compare the kingdom of heaven as a treasure hidden in the fields.


Brethren, it’s time to see heaven as a highly competitive Job, a profession, an ivy league school and an Olympics sport. You are competing for a limited number for the heavenly crown and for a place in the heavenly.

THIS is why scripture is full of admonitions to:

Run with endurance. Fight the good fight of faith. Stand firm. Resist the devil. Flee from fleshly/worldly desires. Keep Holiness without which no man will see YHVH. Repent. So that you might get the crown of life, a name, a pillar and a space in the kingdom of Heaven.

Life is a game. Christianity is a competitive sport. The devil works thru people (yes, this includes your pastor) as your opponent. Play to win.

Run to finish line to receive the limited crown of life and a spot in the kingdom.

MANY ARE CALLED ( ‘CHRISTIANS’) BUT ONLY VERY FEW A SELECTED (MAKE IT TO HEAVEN).

LET THIS SINK IN. DONT BE DECEIVED. LET NO MAN PREVENT YOU FROM RECEIVING THE CROWN OF LIFE.
If heaven has limited seats, what about the new earth in 2 Peter 3:13?
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 4:55pm On Sep 21, 2025
09/21: Breaking News: Intelligence Briefing from the summit of the council (sod) of heavens.

The Beast (antichristus) has been born and is alive and well; only he is being restrained yet his spirit is active in the world today. He currently resides by the sea in the city of Tyre, Lebanon (Ezekiel 28.1-2 compare to Rev. 13.1 & 2 Thes 2.4). He has just joined the military service- the beginning of his training for the role as the prince of Tyre, the Beast and the desolator to come. There he will train for many years, forging alliances between powerful figures, gaining intelligence with the people, and nations. In the fullness of time when the times of gentiles are come to an end, then will he emerge as a refined diplomatic charismatic leader, the king of Tyre (Ezekiel 28) and the king of North (Daniel 11) who will have great power but not his own.

The Messiah was unveiled at age of 30 and had 3.5 years ministry (covenant of life). So, too the anti-Messiah will be unveiled in his 30s and will also have 3.5 years ministry (the great tribulation= covenant of death).

Meanwhile, the spirit of antichrist is hard at work today wreaking havoc across the nations. The spirit of Jezebel and her witchcrafts are also highly reactive as ever; and that is because they who are to minister in the spirit (and power) of Elijah are being dispatched & deployed by the Most High for the work of HIS kingdom.

Can you discern the signs of the times? Across nations, the antichrist spirit is giving false dreams of rapture, and sowing seeds of false Christianity wearing the nationalism and supremacy cloak and deception run amok. THIS is a sign of the great apostasy & strong delusion to believe a lie spoken of in 2 Thes 2.

The political idolatry running rampant where they are even venerating certain political figures even dead one calling this ‘martyrdom’ in certain parts of the world is a key testament that the spirit of antichrist is terribly busy at work in the hearts and minds of men especially the impressionable minds of the youth sowing discords, disunity and hate.

Brethren, these are all signs of the times; that the spirit of antichrist is busy at work TODAY. But as in the days of Elijah the prophet, when the LORD had 7000 who did not bow to Achav and his prophets, even now the LORD has few remnants who have NOT succumbed to political idolatry and all its toxic manifestations (nationalist & supremacist ideals) ongoing across nations.

Beware: The prophecy of nation against nation (ethnos vs ethnos) will be exacerbated by another religio- politically motivated unfortunate event. I won’t mention names in the interest of safety. But certain of them political pundits are digging their own pits, and if not careful will fall in.

All these are signs of the times. Scripture must be fulfilled. The spirit of antichrist is at work across the nations religio-political arena the most visible.

The older this young beast becomes, the worse things will get. Get ready. Fasten your seat belts. The ride has shifted gear.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 4:56pm On Sep 21, 2025
Truthseeker10:
If heaven has limited seats, what about the new earth in 2 Peter 3:13?
Scripture makes it clear that the new Jersualem that comes out of heaven is the only habitable place in this new earth and new heaven.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by Truthseeker10: 7:14pm On Sep 21, 2025
SeraphEl:
Scripture makes it clear that the new Jersualem that comes out of heaven is the only habitable place in this new earth and new heaven.
So where is the new Jerusalem, heaven or earth?
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 5:33pm On Oct 05, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So where is the new Jerusalem, heaven or earth?
It is brought down from heaven to earth. Revelation 21.2-4
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op):
Two or so weeks ago, there was a rather ‘viral’ moment whereby the movie snake eyes by Nicholas cage was being touted as being ‘prophetic’ because of certain loose similarities between the event that befell the main character and the recent demise of certain young political activist in certain part of the world.

And I thought, how perceptive of them. But as usual, selective reuptake is transpiring; a spiritual blind spot whereby one sees certain things, and not others.

Two things “they” missed in these parallel connections between the movie and the events of that day.

1. The movie was aptly named Snake eyes after the deceptive manner and treacherous nature of the protagonist: that is, he was a snake by nature and in his career.

2. The movie began in the background of a coming storm named Jezebel.

If you are going to make ‘prophetic’ connections, do it all the way. What link they failed to make:

That certain organization in question and its founder were a type of “snake”, spiritually, in principle and in practice. A Faustian bargain gone wrong. The widow who takes up the baton is as a coming storm, jezebellic in nature, retributive in practice. She’ll even be worse than her predecessor husband because she’s got mad people grooming her. If I recall, they called themselves ‘dragons’ awakened. I call them toothless saber-rattling dogs who can only bark.

First, it begins with false revival. Calling people to go to Babylonian church- is contradicting what HaShem is doing today. Rebellion = witchcraft. And so is Maga movement.

Beware: whatever movement that grows next out of the organization is still the root of wormwood and gall; and it will produce rotten fruit, bitter leaves and noxious herbs. Yet, the true remnant and the true kingdom of YHVH shall wax stronger and shine brighter 7-fold the sun of 7 days; and the demoniacs and his counterfeit agendas shall not prevail.

You ever wonder why there was such an extreme reaction placed on his demise as if he held some high political or government office? Were you puzzled and shuddered of the strangeness of the televised memorial that eerily resembled 1940s Fuhrer vengeful rally speech? That’s because the covert plan was for him to be the next American Fuhrer; POTUS in fact, and he would have succeeded by deception and by treachery, yea, like a snake.

This link is not without my own divine foreknowledge given to me on 09/10/2024. Which I will not go into, but suffice it to say, beware of the deadly alternate narratives being spun concerning all this. He was not a martyr for Christ, but for the cause of those who groomed and sponsored him. The organization and the agenda are demonic and not of the true YHVH. Any and all movements, revivals, whatever associated with and coming out of this event are counterfeit.

Satan always produces counterfeit to sabotage what YHVH is working on. True revival is coming....as it were in the days of Elijah, it shall be again.

In case you wonder: the LORD is having me speak out now that the emotional hype concerning the event is settled- somewhat.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by Truthseeker10: 7:29am On Oct 07, 2025
SeraphEl:
It is brought down from heaven to earth. Revelation 21.2-4
So are you implying that people would not live in heaven since the new Jerusalem would be brought down from heaven to earth?
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 4:12pm On Oct 19, 2025
The LORD’s Letters of Warning to the 7 Churches in Asia Minor are also relevant for today’s churches.

The letter of Christ to 7 churches in Revelation 2 and 3 was dictated to Yochanan before A.D. 70. Though the letters were written to the early churches in Asia Minor prior to events of A.D 70, the letters represent a prophetic description, and warnings to the 7 different ‘types’ of ecclesia through the church age and represent the types of churches that will exist in the closing age.

Just as the Olivet prophecy were pertinent to events of A.D. 70 and for the last days, the letters represent different types of churches through the age and thus have relevant applications for the churches as a body, and as individuals in the last days. The language used in these letters do indicate that the letters were meant to go beyond the early churches, the events of AD 70. The letters were to be applicable for the churches of the last age prior to Yeshua’s 2nd coming.

“I come quickly to give every man according to his …” He that overcomes and keeps good works to the end…” (Rev 2.5-6, 16; 3.3 vs. Rev 22.12 & Matt 10.22, 16.37 & Dan. 12). Thus, it is clearly shown that Yeshua’s letters and references of HIS coming is to be understood in the context of those living in the latter days prior to HIS 2nd coming.

Attributes and Characteristics of the last day Ecclesia.

# False teachers. False prophets. False doctrines. #Pay attention to the 3 characters listed here by Yeshua. It means these 3 characters represent a type of false teachings, false prophets, false doctrines that will exist in churches of last age.

“But I have a few things against you because of those who hold the *doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit fornication. You also hold to the *doctrine of Nicolaitans, which I hate. Repent or I will fight against you. Let him with ear hear what Ruach says. Whoever overcomes eats the hidden manna, gets a white stone with new name. I know your works of charity, faith, patience….. Notwithstanding, you suffer *Jezebel who teaches to commit fornication/adultery and eat food sacrificed to idols (Rev. 2.6; 13-15, 20).

Here, Yochanan links the deeds of Nicolaitans to two sinister Old Testament figures that led Israel astray: Balaam and Jezebel. As it were for ancient Israel, there will be an increase in the spirit of Jezebel (and its manifestations and activities) and various idolatrous teachings, doctrines of Balaam & deeds of Nicolaitans. Just as Israel was led astray by false prophets and false doctrines, the last age will have slew of false teachers which will lead the church astray into idolatry after the pattern of Balaam and Jezebel (Rev. 2:14,20). These 3 characters advocated bowing to idolatrous alliances with other nations for political purposes, while yet paying lip service to YHVH; this was a form of syncretism.

Balaam and Jezebel were two non-Israelites characters known for leading Israelites astray and into wholesale idolatry. The story of Balaam can be found scattered through scripture beginning in the book of Numbers through the apostolic writings and Revelation. Jezebel mentioned in the 1 Kings 16:31-33; 18:4; 19:1-2; 21:25, was wife of king Ahab and exerted much influence in the political and religious affairs of the nation of Israel and ultimately leading the nations astray into Baal worship.

Rev. 2:20 speaks of " that woman Jezebel" being within the latter-day ecclesia, teaching brethren to commit fornication. Later in Revelation, this is the language used concerning Babylon: a prostitute encouraging fornication. This connection suggests that the false teachers within the latter-day ecclesia will be closely associated with political 'Babylon' and the beast. Today, we can see this in the evangelical’s political alliance in mixing faith and politics, and in undue elevation of political figures. This is a picture-perfect definition of Idolatry. In the coming days, we shall see the emergence and blending of faiths especially of the 3 Abrahamic faiths fostered by Roman Catholicism.

Next: Who were the biblical characters of Balaam, Jezebel and Nicolaitans? How does the spirit of these characters and their falsehoods manifest in today's church. Key clues: money, power/control, politics.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 4:17pm On Oct 19, 2025
This is what the scripture states. We may not have all the great details; and I do not want to go into theology at the moment, perhaps later. Briefly though, the new city being brought down is AFTER the 1000-year millennial reign of Christ. So, it appears, there will be a completely new reconstructed universe (heaven, earth, celestial bodies) in general that would be vastly different from what we know and understand today.

In the light of this, perhaps it would be unwise, irrelevant and unimportant to attempt to spend time in conjectures as to what this new universe would embody or the mechanics. We simply do not have capacity to reason nor understand such magnificence, wonder and mystery---at this time.

Truthseeker10:
So are you implying that people would not live in heaven since the new Jerusalem would be brought down from heaven to earth?
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by Truthseeker10: 1:00pm On Oct 30, 2025
SeraphEl:
This is what the scripture states. We may not have all the great details; and I do not want to go into theology at the moment, perhaps later. Briefly though, the new city being brought down is AFTER the 1000-year millennial reign of Christ. So, it appears, there will be a completely new reconstructed universe (heaven, earth, celestial bodies) in general that would be vastly different from what we know and understand today.

In the light of this, perhaps it would be unwise, irrelevant and unimportant to attempt to spend time in conjectures as to what this new universe would embody or the mechanics. We simply do not have capacity to reason nor understand such magnificence, wonder and mystery---at this time.
So you are still implying that the bible does not teach that people would live in heaven?
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 4:06pm On Nov 15, 2025
The rarely preached shocking reason for why S'dom and Amora were destroyed. It wasn't for LGBQT issues. Shockingly, the reason for their destruction was the very same thing certain brand of evangelicals who vote certain way are guilty of.

Think nationalism, supremacy & cruelty to foreigners and the poor (!!!!!).

In mainstream evangelical circus, there’s a pervasive misunderstanding regarding the cause of destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah (S & G); what their actual sins were that precipitated their utter destruction. According to Jewish historians & rabbinic sages, the Talmud and Mishnah, it wasn’t for primarily sexual perversion that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. It was rather for their social perversion. Did you catch that? Sodom and Gomorrah were primarily destroyed because of their social disintegration; that is, the core of the problem was of social issues that caused their demise, not necessarily sexual issues. What were these social issues? Dig in, let’s find out.

Note before: the goal and objective are not to approve sexual perversion but to underscore that biblically in general, a far greater emphasis is placed on social issues as the root cause of man’s degradation and destruction. According to Torah, the prophets, Yeshua’s own teachings and apostolic writings, social issues do take precedence in the matters of spirituality and are synonymously and intricately linked to moral depravity.

# If sexual sins were not the root cause of their destruction, what were? National pride & supremacy which led to legislated cruelty to foreigners and the poor.

Throughout history of church, Sodom and Gomorrah have come to be popularly known for great sexual depravity along with generalized wickedness. However, the Mishnah (Jewish oral record) does not equate S&G principally with sexual impropriety. According to Jewish historical record, S & G were principally notorious for inhospitality towards strangers and maltreatment of the poor of the land arising from their national pride & supremacy. The prophet Yechezkel own description also shed some light. In Ezekiel 16, the ‘sins of Sodom’ are listed as: arrogance (=national pride & supremacy), overabundance of food and tranquility (=excess & self-sufficiency) AND neglect and oblivious to the needs of the poor (Ezekiel 16.49-50). In the ancient times, the lands of Sodom and Gomorrah were economically prosperous city due to its lush vegetative, productive and agricultural landscapes; situated near the waters from which they derived much of their economic prowess. And thus, comparatively and relatively, they enjoyed a high standard of living.

# S’dom & Amora’s economic prosperity led to national pride (=nationalism), supremacy & legislated cruelty to foreigners & the poor.

-This perceived economic success led to their self-sufficiency which translated to national pride and feelings of supremacy. They had decided they had everything they needed; and needed no outsider, or foreigner. A foreigner could not benefit them but deplete their national resources. They didn’t want to share their resources or prosperity, nor wanted strangers to possibly derive nor thrive on their success. S’dom & Amora became isolationists and nationalists even by law. Eventually, this graduated into mistreatment of people especially foreigners be it merchants, the homeless, the downtrodden, the needy and the poor. They went even further to punish the poor for being poor.

-They devolved into plain viciousness, cruelty and inhospitable to anyone deemed not one of their own. In addition to national pride, arrogance, self-sufficiency, and their inhospitality, then came sexual degradation (Gen. 19.5). They were immoral (or amoral) and unethical people by their code of law. Moral depravity and social degradation were direct consequences of their perceived material prosperity, and of national superiority and pride. It’s as the domino effect of stacked up deck of cards; when one falls, the rest follow. Once you commit one heinous crime or sin, the others naturally follow.

# But why was S’dom and Amora destroyed for social injustice, neglect and abuse of the poor and strangers.

-According to historical writings, they also actively contributed to the misery of the poor and downtrodden, which we know by all of scripture that Yahweh truly despises social injustice in all its forms especially towards the disadvantaged: the poor, widow, the fatherless and the foreigner. I suspect there were likely blood sheds of the innocent that made the land stink up to high heavens, which eventually became as noxious stench in HaShem’s nostrils. We know haShem hates shedding innocent blood. Later in the law of Moses (Leviticus 18), haShem states that land is defiled by shedding innocent blood is cleanse the land is by two ways: the blood of the guilty person is shed (life for life); or the land will vomit its inhabitants. The land vomiting its inhabitants is metaphor for 2 things: the land is literally destroyed in some fashion; and the remnant inhabitants are expelled out of the land by captivity or due to the land being uninhabitable (Lev 18.25-29, Psalm 106.38-39, Lamentations 4.15, Romans 8.22).

-This is what happened to S & G and 3 other cities in scripture when haShem utterly destroyed them (Gen 19.25, Deut 29.23). As we know historically, S&G remained desolate as salt pit and uninhabitable ever since (unlike Babylon). Yeshua compares the severity of the judgement of the unrepentant as being worse than the fate of S & G (Mat 10.15) . Yeshua teaches that believers who neglect the needs or maltreat the least of society (the poor, strangers etc.) will be relegated to darkness and gnashing of teeth in eternal flames (Matt 25.31-41).

# And why was Sodom and Gomorrah so strongly opposed to strangers entering their cities? Nationalists and Isolationists.

-It was even in their written code of law which was against the moral and ethical law of the LORD of the universe. Being inhospitable, cruel and hostile to strangers was the law of the land. They would erect barriers at the entrance of the land to keep people out. And the strangers that somehow entered the land would be taxed exorbitant fees to settle and live in their land. Yes, they built walls to keep foreigners away. And the ones who were deemed fit to enter were taxed for it. And when the strangers settle in the land, they would abuse them, refuse them crucial resources such as access to food or water and then allow them to starve to death.

# In the destruction of S’dom & Amora, what the ‘last straw’ that broke the camel’s back? What or when was the ‘turning point’?

So, what finally occurred that tipped the scale of justice and caused HaShem to act that fateful day of their destruction? According to Jewish writings, there was report that one of daughters of Lot was attending to, caring for and giving food and water to some destitute by the wayside contrary to the law of the land. When she was caught, she was deemed guilty of breaking the law of the land. Her punishment? The people of S&G punished her by pouring honey on her and setting her out in the open field for bees to devour. When she cried out to the LORD, it was then her cries (aligning with Avraham’s intercession to spare Lot and his family) that did it. HaShem had made up HIS mind; their fate was sealed; and destruction was determined. Avraham’s intercession spared only the life of Lot and his family. Sodom and Gomorrah by an enforced law, practiced cruelty and wickedness – intentional. By law, they enforced ‘nationalism’ and ‘Isolationism’ by any means necessary, which translated to cruelty, viciousness, and plain pride in their self-sufficiency.

# Oh, of all things, why was Lot’s wife turned into salt? She sinned with salt (inhospitality and cruelty), and she was requited with salt.

According to the Midrash, there was a reason why Lot’s wife was turned specifically into salt. So, the story was that Lot apparently requested salt from his wife for the food he was about to feed their guests. And since Lot’s wife did not particularly approve of Lot’s actions in taking the 2 guests (2 angels), she went door to door asking for salt for husband’s guests, which was basically alerting the entire town of their guests. The people of Sodom gathered as angry mob furiously requesting release of the guests that they may be punished according to the law. This is when the 2 angels proceeded to rescue Lot and his family before setting Sodom & Gomorrah to destruction with sulfuric ashes from heaven. Against warning not to look back, Lot’s wife however looks back and instantly turned into a pillar of salt (19.26). As she betrayed her family for a dash of salt, she was turned into pillar of salt. There’s a lesson for all of us today. Every action comes opposite and equal reaction. Actions have consequences: you reap what you sow. Remember Lot’s wife (Luke 17.32): Social sin = moral sin = spiritual sin = judgement by fire.

# Sodom & Gomorrah and her destruction: a type of last day events and judgement and key lessons: social degradation = moral/ethical depravity.

-The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (S&G) were to be examples and lessons for all generations (2 Peter 2.6, Jude 7). The state of these two cities represents the present times and typical of the state of nations prior to second coming. The events prior to and the destruction of the cities represent events and the judgement of the last days (Luke 17.28-34). Lot being called out of the city of S&G prior to rain down of fire and brimstone foreshadows the call for true believers to ‘depart from her lest you partake of her iniquities and judgement’ (Gen. 19.15 compared to Babylon in Rev 18.4. And the angels represent messengers with messages of warning to separate from the world and of judgment. As is pattern in all of scripture, the LORD always sends out warning to ‘depart, flee, come out of her’ before pending destructions (Jer. 4.28, Matt 24.30, Luke 21.31). Just as Avraham interceded for these cities and haShem spares Lot and his family on account of Avraham, there are prophets whose intercession will be noted, and many will be spared on account of prophets’ intercession. However, note, the prayers alone cannot avert inevitable judgment of destruction.

-There is the admonition by the angel to ‘not look behind, nor to the plain’ (Gen 19.17) yet Lot’s wife looked back. This is reinforced also by Yeshua when He said, ‘remember Lot’s wife, no man putting hand to plough (His kingdom) and looking back (desiring the world, lukewarmness) is fit for the kingdom’. This here serves as lesson, warning, and admonition for today’s believers too. Do not look back nor love the things of the world. For to seek to save your life here, you will lose life eternal. But the one who loses life here will gain life eternal. There’s such a thing as apostasy from faith. Remember Lot’s wife (Luke 17.32). Anyone who denies the LORD, takes the mark of the beast, pledges allegiance to the rulers of this world, does not endure to the end, will have no recourse.

# As in the days of Lot.......Lot and family were delivered from fire but secured here on earth NOT raptured to heaven.

A solemn note to pre-rapturists, Yeshua says: As in the days of Lot......remember Lot’s wife. Lot and his remaining family were spared and preserved but here on earth, NOT raptured out of earth to heaven. In the same manner, Hashem will spare and preserve the righteous remnant miraculously here on earth in the time of great tribulation, NOT raptured out of it.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by elated177:
Romans 1: 26 Because of this, YHVH gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Seraphel, sexual perversion was the main reason YHVH Almighty destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

Sexual sins - fornication, adultery, homosexuality, etc - open the doors to the other forms of wickedness. Preceding sexual sins, especially homosexuality, are idolatry and witchcraft. Wherever witchcraft is rife, you will find the prevalence of all kinds of sexual sins. Infact, for witchcraft to thrive, there must be abundance of all kinds of sexual sins.

So, the practice of homosexuality, an abominable and wicked act, led to the other forms of wickedness in Sodom and Gomorrah. It is one of the acts that the heavens and the earth abhor.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 5:42pm On Nov 16, 2025
But Romans 1.26 says nothing about S'dom and Amora. How then do you correlate sexual perversion with S'dom and Amora?

Contrary to popular theology, you would NOT find anywhere in scripture where it says S'dom and Amora were destroyed for sexual perversion. . This was all Christianity's spin. The ancient Jewish historians who are closer to scripture do not hold to this idea of sexual perversion being the main cause, nor even play role at all; and I will go with the Jewish historians than Christian theologians any day when it comes to the Torah exegetical studies & commentaries.

However, the closest we find of their sins (and hence why their destruction) in scripture is in the book of Ezekiel 16 where it lists the sin of Sodom. Also, I trust Jewish historical records about what had really happened than 'Christianity's own theologians 'eisegeses' of scriptures.

AND, in light of whole counsel of scripture, you can pretty easily 'surmise' the real reason for the destruction. All you have to do is look at what the prophets denounced Isreal for primarily. And that major issue in the prophetic writings that led to Isreal's utter destruction centered around primarily 1. idolatry and 2. SOCIAL PROBLEMS- NOT SEXUAL.

Yeshua and HIS apostles continued this social theme. Even Yeshua in Matt 25 (separation of sheep and goat) tells you if you do not care for the least of these among you, you earn a spot in hellfire. Easier for camel to enter eye of needle, than the rich make heaven. One who despise the poor, despises his maker. These are all biblical passages from Torah to Revelation.

I will do a series on the social teachings of Christ and the Prophets. It's an underrated topic in evangelical church circus.

elated177:
Romans 1: 26 Because of this, YHVH gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Seraphel, sexual perversion was the main reason YHVH Almighty destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

Sexual sins - fornication, adultery, homosexuality, etc - open the doors to the other forms of wickedness. Preceding sexual sins, especially homosexuality, are idolatry and witchcraft. Wherever witchcraft is rife, you will find the prevalence of all kinds of sexual sins. Infact, for witchcraft to thrive, there must be abundance of all kinds of sexual sins.

So, the practice of homosexuality, an abominable and wicked act, led to the other forms of wickedness in Sodom and Gomorrah. It is one the acts that the heavens and the earth abhor.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by elated177: 9:23pm On Nov 16, 2025
Seraphel, you will get my responses later.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by elated177:
Seraphel, why not read from verse 18 of Romans 1? Although it doesn't mention Sodom and Gomorrah, that portion of the Scriptures captures the fallen state of the human nature --- a kind of step by step degradation of the human morality. It starts with idolatry and witchcraft. Sexual sins go hand in glove with idolatry and witchcraft. It is impossible for sexual sins not to abound in any environment where idolatry and witchcraft abound and vice versa.

You will observe that verses 28-32 of Romans chapter 1 explicitly and unambiguously highlight the fruits of idolatry, witchcraft and homosexuality.

Look at:

Ezekiel 16: 47 You not only followed their ways and copied their detestable practices, but in all your ways you soon became more depraved than they.

Can you see the italicized word, "detestable"?

Now:

Ezekiel 16:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

So, Seraphel, what does "detestable" mean?
Is homosexuality a detestable act or not?

Just so we are clear:

Genesis 18: 20 Then YHVH said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

Genesis 19: 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

So, again, I ask: is homosexuality a detestable act or not?

1 Kings 22: 45 As for the other events of Jehoshaphat’s reign, the things he achieved and his military exploits, are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah? 46 He rid the land of the rest of the male shrine prostitutes who remained there even after the reign of his father Asa.

2 Kings 23: 4 The king ordered Hilkiah the high priest, the priests next in rank and the doorkeepers to remove from the temple of the Lord all the articles made for Baal and Asherah and all the starry hosts. He burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of the Kidron Valley and took the ashes to Bethel. 5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. 6 He took the Asherah pole from the temple of YHVH to the Kidron Valley outside Jerusalem and burned it there. He ground it to powder and scattered the dust over the graves of the common people. 7 He also tore down the quarters of the male shrine prostitutes that were in the temple of YHVH, the quarters where women did weaving for Asherah.

I had to add those two last portions of the Scriptures because of your assertions, which bordered on why our Father in heaven, YHVH Almighty, punished Israel and the subsequent exile from the promised land. Can you see idolatry - worship of Baal and Asherah - and sexual perversion?
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 2:55pm On Nov 22, 2025
Sure, the bible calls it abomination. The LORD calls a lot of things abominable so that it could be any number of things here. Homosexuality was NOT singled out here is the point. You should really pay attention to the ones specifically singled out and called by name: pride and arrogance, overabundance, excess and NEGLECT OF THE POOR.

Also, you are not hearing the main point of my writing. Have you actually read the posts at all OR did you just react out of emotion?

Friend, calm down and settle your emotions and see the point here: homosexuality was NOT the primary reason for destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Inhospitality to strangers and the poor were. The entire scripture supports this.

I am sure if the LORD meant to tell us homosexuality is THE only heinous crime for Sodom and Gomorrah, HE would have found a way to tell us that plentifully. Even Yeshua mentions Sodom and Gomorrah, YET HE didn't point out their sexual perversion. THIS should say a lot to us.

I have sufficiently and abundantly made this point clear. Go back and re-read my posts. I cannot be responsible for your lack of comprehension and restricted mindset.


@elated177.



elated177:
Seraphel, why not read from verse 18 of Romans 1? Although it doesn't mention Sodom and Gomorrah, that portion of the Scriptures captures the fallen state of the human nature --- a kind of step by step degradation of the human morality. It starts with idolatry and witchcraft. Sexual sins go hand in glove with idolatry and witchcraft. It is impossible for sexual sins not to abound in any environment where idolatry and witchcraft abound and vice versa.

You will observe that verses 28-32 of Romans chapter 1 explicitly and unambiguously highlight the fruits of idolatry, witchcraft and homosexuality.

Look at:

Ezekiel 16: 47 You not only followed their ways and copied their detestable practices, but in all your ways you soon became more depraved than they.

Can you see the italicized word, "detestable"?

Now:

Ezekiel 16:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

So, Seraphel, what does "detestable" mean?
Is homosexuality a detestable act or not?

Just so we are clear:

Genesis 18: 20 Then YHVH said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

Genesis 19: 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

So, again, I ask: is homosexuality a detestable act or not?

1 Kings 22: 45 As for the other events of Jehoshaphat’s reign, the things he achieved and his military exploits, are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah? 46 He rid the land of the rest of the male shrine prostitutes who remained there even after the reign of his father Asa.

2 Kings 23: 4 The king ordered Hilkiah the high priest, the priests next in rank and the doorkeepers to remove from the temple of the Lord all the articles made for Baal and Asherah and all the starry hosts. He burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of the Kidron Valley and took the ashes to Bethel. 5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. 6 He took the Asherah pole from the temple of YHVH to the Kidron Valley outside Jerusalem and burned it there. He ground it to powder and scattered the dust over the graves of the common people. 7 He also tore down the quarters of the male shrine prostitutes that were in the temple of YHVH, the quarters where women did weaving for Asherah.

I had to add those two last portions of the Scriptures because of your assertions, which bordered on why our Father in heaven, YHVH Almighty, punished Israel and the subsequent exile from the promised land. Can you see idolatry - worship of Baal and Asherah - and sexual perversion?
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 3:00pm On Nov 22, 2025
Sir, this was not the point of my post at all. I specifically stated that my objective is not to support sexual perversion of any form BUT to highlight the oft underrated and under preached HUGE social portions of the Torah, the prophets, Yeshua and the apostles. THIS was my entire post.

elated177:
Seraphel, why not read from verse 18 of Romans 1? Although it doesn't mention Sodom and Gomorrah, that portion of the Scriptures captures the fallen state of the human nature --- a kind of step by step degradation of the human morality. It starts with idolatry and witchcraft. Sexual sins go hand in glove with idolatry and witchcraft. It is impossible for sexual sins not to abound in any environment where idolatry and witchcraft abound and vice versa.

You will observe that verses 28-32 of Romans chapter 1 explicitly and unambiguously highlight the fruits of idolatry, witchcraft and homosexuality.

Look at:

Ezekiel 16: 47 You not only followed their ways and copied their detestable practices, but in all your ways you soon became more depraved than they.

Can you see the italicized word, "detestable"?

Now:

Ezekiel 16:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

So, Seraphel, what does "detestable" mean?
Is homosexuality a detestable act or not?

Just so we are clear:

Genesis 18: 20 Then YHVH said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

Genesis 19: 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

So, again, I ask: is homosexuality a detestable act or not?

1 Kings 22: 45 As for the other events of Jehoshaphat’s reign, the things he achieved and his military exploits, are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah? 46 He rid the land of the rest of the male shrine prostitutes who remained there even after the reign of his father Asa.

2 Kings 23: 4 The king ordered Hilkiah the high priest, the priests next in rank and the doorkeepers to remove from the temple of the Lord all the articles made for Baal and Asherah and all the starry hosts. He burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of the Kidron Valley and took the ashes to Bethel. 5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. 6 He took the Asherah pole from the temple of YHVH to the Kidron Valley outside Jerusalem and burned it there. He ground it to powder and scattered the dust over the graves of the common people. 7 He also tore down the quarters of the male shrine prostitutes that were in the temple of YHVH, the quarters where women did weaving for Asherah.

I had to add those two last portions of the Scriptures because of your assertions, which bordered on why our Father in heaven, YHVH Almighty, punished Israel and the subsequent exile from the promised land. Can you see idolatry - worship of Baal and Asherah - and sexual perversion?
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by elated177:
Seraphel, true saints, servants, followers and messengers of YHVH Almighty, of Yahushua the Messiah, do not seek their own glory but the glory of our Father in heaven. It is because I don't seek my own glory that I will vehemently refuse to respond to certain things.

My comments here, as led by the Spirit, are clear and explicitly stated for the genuine readers and seekers to understand. Your posts are not hidden. Let the reader choose whichever he/she is led to.

However, know that the action of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah, as stated below sealed their fate.

Genesis 19: 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

Make of the following Scripture what you wish.

Jude 7  In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.


It is so obvious that my preceding post/comment is so complete and straight to the point. I have to repost it here.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by elated177: 10:16am On Nov 23, 2025
Seraphel, why not read from verse 18 of Romans 1? Although it doesn't mention Sodom and Gomorrah, that portion of the Scriptures captures the fallen state of the human nature --- a kind of step by step degradation of the human morality. It starts with idolatry and witchcraft. Sexual sins go hand in glove with idolatry and witchcraft. It is impossible for sexual sins not to abound in any environment where idolatry and witchcraft abound and vice versa.

You will observe that verses 28-32 of Romans chapter 1 explicitly and unambiguously highlight the fruits of idolatry, witchcraft and homosexuality.

Look at:

Ezekiel 16: 47 You not only followed their ways and copied their detestable practices, but in all your ways you soon became more depraved than they.

Can you see the italicized word, "detestable"?

Now:

Ezekiel 16:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

So, Seraphel, what does "detestable" mean?
Is homosexuality a detestable act or not?

Just so we are clear:

Genesis 18: 20 Then YHVH said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

Genesis 19: 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

So, again, I ask: is homosexuality a detestable act or not?

1 Kings 22: 45 As for the other events of Jehoshaphat’s reign, the things he achieved and his military exploits, are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah? 46 He rid the land of the rest of the male shrine prostitutes who remained there even after the reign of his father Asa.

2 Kings 23: 4 The king ordered Hilkiah the high priest, the priests next in rank and the doorkeepers to remove from the temple of the Lord all the articles made for Baal and Asherah and all the starry hosts. He burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of the Kidron Valley and took the ashes to Bethel. 5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. 6 He took the Asherah pole from the temple of YHVH to the Kidron Valley outside Jerusalem and burned it there. He ground it to powder and scattered the dust over the graves of the common people. 7 He also tore down the quarters of the male shrine prostitutes that were in the temple of YHVH, the quarters where women did weaving for Asherah.

I had to add those two last portions of the Scriptures because of your assertions, which bordered on why our Father in heaven, YHVH Almighty, punished Israel and the subsequent exile from the promised land. Can you see idolatry - worship of Baal and Asherah - and sexual perversion?
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 2:47pm On Nov 23, 2025
My posts is also led by the Spirit. I am not sure what your point is at all. You are repeating yourself to an avail.

What exactly did you understand from my original post and my response to you? Because I don't think you actually read them at all.

Again, nowhere in scripture are we told that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed explicitly for homosexuality. Now Jude 7 speaks of sexual immorality, but it does not say 'homosexual'. Jude 7 can be speaking of adultery, fornication and other forms of sexual debauchery.

Why then do you assume Jude 7 speaks of homosexual behavior.

You are yet to show me where it specifically states S & G were destroyed for specifically Homosexual behavior.

Yet,

Yeshua in the gospel account linked Inhospitality of his disciples in their apostolic mission with the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah.
See Matt 10 & Luke 10.

Answer me this, why are the words of Yeshua concerning S & G not cause for you to reconsider?

Humans... will never accept truth if it kills them.

elated177:
Seraphel, true saints, servants, followers and messengers of YHVH Almighty, of Yahushua the Messiah, do not seek their own glory but the glory of our Father in heaven. It is because I don't seek my own glory that I will vehemently refuse to respond to certain things.

My comments here, as led by the Spirit, are clear and explicitly stated for the genuine readers and seekers to understand. Your posts are not hidden. Let the reader choose whichever he/she is led to.

However, know that the action of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah, as stated below sealed their fate.

Genesis 19: 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

Make of the following Scripture what you wish.

Jude 7  In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.


It is so obvious that my preceding post/comment is so complete and straight to the point. I have to repost it here.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 2:48pm On Nov 23, 2025
@ elated177

Go and serve that your homosexual neighbor down the street. Feed him, quench his thirst, give him clothing, shelter him and nurse his wound, so saith the LORD. This is what you will answer to when Yeshua calls you home, and his homosexual behavior will not make a good excuse for why you did not provide succor.


THIS Is the Torah, the prophets, Yeshua and the apostles.

The END. Consider this my last response on this topic. I have sufficiently made my point. Please go back and re-read my posts if you truly care for what my POV is/was.
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op): 2:30pm On Feb 14
They are here. They are among us. They breed with men/women. Beware!!!


As in the Days of Noah……

Yeshua warned that the last days would resemble the days of Noah: “As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man” (Matthew 24:37). In those ancient days, the boundaries between realms were violated and fallen angels became corrupt influence for humanity ((Genesis 6:1–4). Likewise, today, there are beings who appear human and behave human while operating with malicious intentions serving the kingdom of darkness. Yeshua cautioned, “For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and deceive many” (Matthew 24:11); and even the elect can be deceived (Matt 24:24).

And “And they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men…”

Daniel the prophet warned concerning the last days that “they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men…” (Daniel 2:43). They will attempt to intermix with human lineage / join themselves with humanity.” Who is “they”? “They” are fallen angels. And it was in the days of Noach, when Nephilim roamed earth and defiled themselves with seed of (wo)men. So, shall it be in these last days. In these days, profound mysterious beings move across the earth amongst men. Men and Women, be careful whom you have sleep with. Beware of whom you are intimate with. Take care of whom you allow into your life. These are strange times we live in; and will progressively worsen. Scripture warns that “Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light” (2 Corinthians 11:14).

The Purpose of Deception

The mission of these beings is deception— to distort purity, cloud truth, and wear down the righteous. The devil knows his time is short so that he is accelerating deception to get more souls into his kingdom and in eternity in hell. Satan's main function and objective is within the church. “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy” (John 10:10). Their urgency increases because the adversary knows his time is short: “He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short” (Revelation 12:12). Even the faithful must remain alert, for “If possible, even the elect will be deceived” (Matthew 24:24).

Walking in Discernment, Not Fear

YHWH calls His people to stay vigilant— not in fear, but in wisdom. “Be sober minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion” (1 Peter 5:8]. The believer’s protection is continual closeness to YHWH, walking by His Spirit. “Walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh” (Galatians 5:16), and “The Spirit of truth will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13). Discernment is essential, for not every open door should be walked through and most of the voices claiming the Name of the LORD, sound correct and biblical are not sent by YHWH. As 1 John 4:1 teaches, “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from YHWH.”

Guarding the Heart and Listening to the Spirit

Be cognizant of whose voice you listen to, whom and what you watch, whom you allow to shape your spiritual life, mind and emotion. Beware of whom you meet & interact for not all who bear the image of humanity carry humanity inwardly. Remain vigilant, guarding the sanctuary of their lives with wisdom. “Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it” (Proverbs 4:23). Sensitivity to the quiet witness of the Spirit is crucial in a time when deception appears increasingly polished and persuasive.

Strength & Protection Through the Word and the Secret Place in HIM

YHWH’s Word remains the lamp to guide His people. “Your word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path” (Psalm 119:105). Those who dwell in the presence of the Most High remain anchored: “He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty” (Psalm 91:1). This is why Scripture urges, “Let no one deceive you in any way” (2 Thessalonians 2:3). Though deception runs rampant in the earth, the promise of YHWH stands firm. His light exposes every hidden thing, for “The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it” (John 1:5).

Remain steady, discerning, and rooted in His Word & presence. In Him there is covering, clarity, and the strength to withstand the deception of the last days. And with this assurance, the faithful declare with confidence: “The Lord is my light and my salvation — whom shall I fear?” (Psalm 27:1).
Re: Strange Fire in Evangelical Churches Today: Political And Nationalistic Zeal by SeraphEl(op):
The World is at Phase 3 Of the Timeline of The Last Days BEFORE the 2nd Coming of Yeshua.

The "False Messiah" and the Throne of Jerusalem
The Antichrist cannot rule the world from a vacuum; he requires a specific seat of power.

The Return to the Holy Land:
1948 establishment of Israel was the "First Phase." By gathering Jews from the diaspora back to Palestine, a stage was set for a figure to emerge who claims to be the long-awaited Messiah (Moshiach).

The Third Temple: A central theme is the eventual destruction of the Al-Aqsa Mosque to rebuild the Solomon’s Temple. It is believed the Antichrist will rule from this Temple, deceiving many into believing his reign is divine rather than demonic.

The Role of "International Zionism" as a Tool

In these theories, "International Zionism" is described as a global infrastructure—financial, media-based, and military—designed to transition the world from a system of nation-states to a One World Government.

Financial Hegemony:. Using the Federal Reserve and international banking systems (often linked to the Rothschilds), Zionism is said to control the "lifeline" of nations. This aligns with the prophecy that the Antichrist will control the world's resources, deciding who can "buy or sell."

The "Greater Israel" Project:. Antichrist will expand Israel’s borders from the Nile to the Euphrates, effectively swallowing Lebanon, Jordan, and parts of Egypt, Syria, and Iraq to re-establish the Davidic borders.


Summary of the Eschatological Timeline

Stage -> Event -> Purpose

Phase 1 -> Balfour Declaration & 1948 -> Establishing the "Geographic Base."

Phase 2 --> Control of Global Finance -> Weakening sovereign nations to accept a central ruler.

Phase 3 -> The "Greater Israel" War -> Expanding borders to match Biblical prophecy.

Phase 4 -> The Appearance of the Leader -> The Antichrist takes the throne in Jerusalem.

Phase 5 -> The Final Conflict -> The battle between the False Messiah and the returning Christ
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Talarico’s view is not a distortion of Scripture. It is Scripture.

I. Torah and the Prophets: The Foundation of Social Ethics & Justice in Scripture

Before even reaching the teachings of Yeshua, the Torah (the Law of Moses) and the Nevi’im (the Prophets) establish that YHVH cares deeply about justice, mercy, and the defense of the vulnerable. This is not a secondary theme — it is woven into the very fabric of Israel’s covenant life.

1. Torah commands protection of the vulnerable. The Torah repeatedly instructs Israel to care for:

• the poor
• the stranger/foreigner (ger)
• the widow and orphan

Scriptural Examples include:

Exodus 22:21–27 — HaShem forbids oppressing the foreigner and promises judgment against those who harm widows and orphans.
Leviticus 19:9–10 — Laws ensuring the poor can glean from the fields.
Deuteronomy 10:17–19 — YHVH executes justice for the widow and orphan and loves the foreigner — therefore Israel must do the same. Deuteronomy 15:7–11 — Command to open one’s hand generously to the poor.

The Torah is clear: a community faithful to YHVH must defend those without power.

2. The Prophets repeatedly condemn corrupt leaders and economic exploitation. The Prophets continue and intensify this theme:

• Isaiah rebukes rulers who “grind the faces of the poor” (Isaiah 3:15) and calls the nation to “seek justice, correct oppression” (Isaiah 1:17).
• Jeremiah warns kings to defend the cause of the poor and needy (Jeremiah 22:16), saying that this is what it means to know YHVH.
• Amos condemns systems that “trample the needy” and calls for justice to “roll down like waters” (Amos 5:24).
• Micah summarizes covenant faithfulness as doing justice, loving mercy, and walking humbly (Micah 6:8].

This prophetic tradition forms the biblical backdrop of any genuine understanding of Yeshua’s mission. Therefore, James Talarico’s emphasis on Jesus identifying with the oppressed is not a modern invention; it is exactly what Torah and the Prophets said YHVH cares about.

II. Yeshua Explicitly Identified Himself With the Oppressed

Luke 4:18–19 — Yeshua’s mission statement. Jesus begins His ministry by declaring He was sent:

• to bring good news to the poor,
• freedom for captives,
• release to the oppressed,
• sight for the blind.

This is Isaiah’s prophetic vision — and Christ claims it as His own. Talarico's framing mirrors Yeshua’s own words.

III. Yeshua Says “Whatever You Do to the Least of These; You Do to Me”

Matthew 25:35–45. Jesus identifies Himself with:

• the hungry
• the stranger
• the sick
• the prisoner

If Yeshua places Himself among the marginalized, then connecting Christ to today’s suffering people is not blasphemy — it is obedience to His teachings.

IV. Christ Confronted Religious and Political Power Structures

Matthew 23 — Rebuking the powerful. Yeshua condemns leaders who exploit people, love status, and neglect justice, mercy, and faithfulness.
Mark 11:15–17 — Cleansing the Temple. Yeshua overturns the tables of economic exploiters operating under religious authority. This action shows Yeshua directly challenging corrupt systems.

This is the same prophetic critique Talarico echoes today.
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The Remnant Principle And the False Security of The Majority Crowd

The assumption that “truth must be where the most people are” has always been a human myth — not a divine one.

In Scripture, the majority is almost never where the presence, voice, or revelation of YHVH is found.

• In Noah’s day, the majority perished; salvation was with a single family.

Abraham was called alone — a minority of one.

• Moses was one man against the power structures of Egypt.

• Elijah stood alone against 450 prophets of Baal.

• Gideon's army was reduced by YHVH on purpose until it was small enough to show that victory wasn't from strength in numbers.

• The prophets were usually outnumbered by false prophets, ignored, or mocked.

Yeshua Himself was “despised and rejected by prominent religious men". He picked 12 common unlearned men as disciples.

• And the early disciples were a minority movement in a world dominated by empire.

Throughout the Scriptures, the pattern is clear:

YHVH is not found in the crowd.

YHVH is found in the remnant.

YHVH is consistently near the minority, the misunderstood, the rejected, the lonely, and the overlooked.
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A Prophetic Reflection Series on Nadav, Avihu & Strange Fire in the Church

(Leviticus 9:1–11:47; Leviticus 10:1–7)

The Fire That Answers: Holiness, Authority, and the Danger of Unauthorized Worship

Nadav and Avihu: When Nearness Becomes Dangerous

The account of Nadav and Avihu is often summarized as a brief tragedy, but Scripture presents it as a moment of divine revelation. These were not outsiders or novices; they were sons of Aaron, consecrated priests who had witnessed the plagues of Egypt, the giving of Torah, and the descent of glory upon Sinai. They had been invited into sacred proximity, ordained for holy service, and entrusted with access that few in Israel possessed. Their deaths were not the result of ignorance but of presumption—an error made not far from holiness, but too close to it.

Leviticus records that they offered “unauthorized fire—fire that YHVH had not commanded.” This detail is crucial. The issue was not the act of worship itself, but the source and authorization behind it. Nadav and Avihu stepped beyond instruction into self-determination, treating holy service as something they could initiate rather than receive. In doing so, they revealed a sobering truth that reverberates throughout Scripture: proximity to sacred things does not grant permission to redefine them. Holiness is not shaped by intention, zeal, or familiarity—it is determined by the command of YHVH.

Grace Does Not Cancel Holiness

The absence of immediate, visible judgment today does not indicate lowered standards. It reflects divine patience. Grace delays consequence to invite repentance; it does not redefine righteousness. Many who handle holy matters carelessly do not experience sudden collapse but gradual withdrawal. Their activity continues, yet the fire is absent. Authority fades. What once carried heaven’s breath becomes self-sustained. What Nadav and Avihu experienced outwardly, many experience inwardly—the quiet removal of divine endorsement from unauthorized service.

Carrying Only Authorized Fire from the Altar

Today, the dwelling place of YHVH is not a tent but a people (1 Corinthians 3:16). Our lives are the fire censers. Our service is the offering. The enduring question remains: Where did the fire come from? Does it rise from YHVH’s altar—His Word, His Spirit, His command—or from personal ambition and unchecked zeal? The account of Nadav and Avihu is more than a warning. It is an invitation to return to reverent obedience, to steward holiness with both fear and love, and to carry only the fire that YHVH Himself ignites.

A Prophetic Mirror & Lessons for the Present Generation

These accounts confront every generation. How often is worship fueled by emotions and passion rather than holy instruction? How frequently is ministry launched without divine sending? How many works labeled “revival” arise from momentum rather than the altar of YHVH? Grace may restrain immediate judgment, but the Spirit still tests the source of the fire. He continues to distinguish between what is authorized and what merely appears spiritual. The question has not changed; only the setting has.


Next: Prophetic Reflections on the Story of Nadav & Avihu's Strange Fire- To Be Continued....
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Prophetic Reflections of Nadav & Avihu: Dangers of being too casual and cavalier attitude towards Holiness of YHVH.

A Prophetic Reflection on the story of Nadav and Avihu

(Leviticus 9:1–11:47; Leviticus 10:1–7)

Why It Was Considered Profane

Nadav and Avihu were the eldest sons of Aaron, the first High Priest. After the Tabernacle was consecrated and priestly service began, they brought incense before YHVH using what Scripture calls “unauthorized” or “strange” fire—fire YHVH had not commanded. . Fire immediately came out from the presence of YHVH and consumed them, and they died. Authorized fires ought to originate from sources and altar as sanctioned by YHVH as part of duties of Priesthood of Aharon and sons (see Lev 16 for details and instructions for authorized fire/source/altar).

Jewish tradition offers multiple explanations: arrogance, failure to consult Moses or Aaron, entering sacred space improperly, or serving under the influence of wine. At its core, the narrative warns against innovation in sacred service without divine authorization, especially at the inauguration of the priesthood, when boundaries were being firmly established. Their action represented initiative divorced from command, a serious violation in a system where holiness depended on obedience to YHVH’s instructions.

A Repeating Pattern of Violated Boundaries

Scripture reinforces this principle through King Uzziah. Though anointed to rule, he unlawfully entered priestly service and was struck with leprosy. His physical affliction reflected an inward disorder. Together, Nadav, Avihu, and Uzziah testify to a consistent truth: calling defines legitimacy. To cross boundaries YHVH has established—whether from ambition, zeal, or familiarity—is to profane what is holy. Service becomes defiled when it originates from ego rather than obedience.

Unauthorized Fire: Zeal Without Obedience

Nadav and Avihu’s error was not their desire to offer worship, but the source of their fire. They offered flame not taken from the altar YHVH had sanctified. Their worship originated in self-initiation rather than divine command. This distinction is essential. Passion that bypasses obedience becomes presumption. Spiritual activity detached from instruction misrepresents YHVH. What appears bold or sincere may still be unauthorized if it does not originate from His command.

Aaron’s Silence and Discernment

Aaron’s silence after the death of his sons is striking. It reflects understanding rather than indifference. He recognized that holiness could not be negotiated, even at immense personal cost. Later, when Moses questioned why Aaron did not eat the sin offering, Aaron demonstrated discernment beyond ritual performance. He understood that obedience without inward alignment would not honor YHVH. Moses accepted his reasoning, affirming that true obedience flows from spiritual sensitivity, not mere compliance.

When Glory Becomes Judgment

Earlier, divine fire descended as approval, consuming the offerings and filling the people with awe. Now that same fire emerged as judgment. The presence of YHVH is not neutral. It reveals, validates, and confronts according to what is offered. Divine fire does not adjust itself to human initiative. What consumes a holy sacrifice will also consume defilement. YHVH remains a consuming fire—purifying, exposing, and opposing what dishonors His name.

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A Prophetic Reflection Series on Nadav and Avihu
(Leviticus 9:1–11:47; Leviticus 10:1–7)

What Constitutes Strange Fire Today? Irreverence and the Modern Trivializing of the Holy. When that pattern is translated into the modern church, strange fire shows up whenever ministry, worship, or doctrine is powered by something other than what YHVH has actually authorized through His Word and Spirit. The most common forms of strange fire in the church today, grouped theologically rather than culturally.

1. Emotion-Driven Worship Detached from Obedience

• Worship environments designed primarily to generate emotional highs
• Repetition, crescendos, atmospheres meant to produce “experience”
• Measuring spiritual success by how people felt, not how they obeyed

Why it’s strange fire: Nadav and Avihu did not lack zeal. They lacked alignment. Fire not taken from the altar even if sincere is unauthorized. Worship that bypasses obedience becomes performance, not offering. Diagnostic question: Does this worship lead to repentance and holiness or only to sensation?

2. Self-Appointed Authority and Unsent Ministry

• Leaders who assume titles or offices without calling or confirmation
Ministries launched by ambition, branding, or momentum
• “God told me” is used to bypass accountability

Why it’s strange fire: In Torah, calling determines legitimacy. Even kings were judged for crossing God-given boundaries (e.g., Uzziah). Service that originates in ego rather than obedience profanes what is holy. Diagnostic question: Who sent you, YHVH, or your own desire to minister?


3. Modern Innovation That Replaces Instruction of Scripture

• Constant reinvention of worship, doctrine, or church structure
• Treating innovation as a spiritual virtue
• Assuming “new” automatically means “Spirit-led”

Why it’s strange fire: Nadav and Avihu’s fire was new but unauthorized. The problem was not creativity but origin. Divine fire is received, not invented. Innovation that ignores commandment becomes presumption. Diagnostic question: Is this emerging from Scripture or from the pressure to stay relevant?

4. Grace Used to Cancel Holiness

• Teaching that minimizes sin in the name of grace
• Holiness framed as “legalism”
• Lack of repentance, discipline, or reverence

Why it’s strange fire: Grace does not redefine holiness; it delays judgment to invite repentance. The absence of visible fire today does not mean lowered standards, it often means withdrawn endorsement. Diagnostic question: Does grace here lead to transformation—or excuse disobedience?

5. Charismatic Activity Without Testing
6. Political or Nationalistic Zeal Disguised as Faith
7. Ministry Fueled by Momentum Instead of Presence of Ruach

The Challenging Test: Where Did the Fire Come From?

Scripture never asks whether worship is impressive, effective, or popular. It asks whether it is authorized. Nadav and Avihu’s story is not about fear, it is about discernment. The same fire that confirms obedience exposes presumption. The presence of YHVH does not adapt to offerings; it reveals their nature.

Final mirror for the church today: Are we carrying fire taken from YHVH’s altar, His Word, His Spirit, His command or fire kindled by ambition, emotion, and zeal without submission?

Next: Strange Fire & Profane Worship in the Church Continued (#5-7 expanded)
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A Prophetic Reflection Series on Nadav and Avihu
(Leviticus 9:1–11:47; Leviticus 10:1–7)

What Constitutes Strange Fire Today? Irreverence and the Modern Trivializing of the Holy. When that pattern is translated into the modern church, strange fire shows up whenever ministry, worship, or doctrine is powered by something other than what YHVH has actually authorized through His Word and Spirit. The most common forms of strange fire in the church today, grouped theologically rather than culturally.

1. Emotion-Driven Worship Detached from Obedience
2. Self-Appointed Authority and Unsent Ministry
3. Modern Innovation That Replaces Biblical Instruction
4. Grace Used to Cancel Holiness

5. Charismatic Activity Without Testing

• Claims of prophecy, visions, or revelation without scriptural testing

Experiences outweighing Scripture. “Don’t question the Spirit” rhetoric

Why it’s strange fire: The Ruach HaKodesh never contradicts Torah or Messiah. Fire that cannot be tested by the Word is not divine fire, it is unverified flame. Diagnostic question: Can this be tested, weighed, and confirmed by Scripture?

6. Political or Nationalistic Zeal Disguised as Faith

• National Flags in sanctuaries. Political movements treated as redemptive
• Confusing the Kingdom of YHVH with earthly power

Why it’s strange fire: Any fire lit by allegiance to something other than the Kingdom becomes idolatrous. Scripture consistently restrains kings, power, and nationalism under Torah, not the other way around. Diagnostic question: Is this fire drawing hearts to Messiah or to earthly systems?

7. Ministry Fueled by Momentum Instead of Presence

• Constant activity with little prayer. Programs replacing discernment
• Success measured by numbers rather than faithfulness

Why it’s strange fire: Proximity to sacred things does not produce sanctification. Activity can continue long after divine fire has withdrawn. What once was anointed becomes self-sustaining and hollow. Diagnostic question: Is the fire still coming from the altar or are we keeping it alive ourselves?

The Challenging Test: Where Did the Fire Come From?

Scripture never asks whether worship is impressive, effective, or popular. It asks whether it is authorized. Nadav and Avihu’s story is not about fear, it is about discernment. The same fire that confirms obedience exposes presumption. The presence of YHVH does not adapt to offerings; it reveals their nature.

For the church today: Are we carrying fire taken from YHVH’s altar, His Word, His Spirit, His command or fire kindled by ambition, emotion, and zeal without submission?
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