₦airaland Forum

Richtaiwo:
The Armed forces has always been subject to civil rule. But that civil order must come from the president, not a minister, senator or state governors.

Those illiterates in the hallowed chamber should go study the meaning of armed forces subjecting to civil rule.

God bless you bro

ElSudani:
Ministers are appointed by the president to help him manage the country.
No serving officer for example can defy the order given by the US secretary of defense because he is deemed to be acting on behalf of the government. Same way Wike was acting on behalf of the government. You can only go to court to stop him, any other way is illegal.

It's not even about ministers, a lga chairman should have superior authority for activities within his purview.
Should I as a CDS send my aide to break open a shop in the market that was locked because of tenement rate, just because my wife owns the shop and I'm the cds??
Such order is illegal, the LGA chairman should be able to use the police to arrest such military officers or aide

ElSudani:
Ministers are appointed by the president to help him manage the country.
No serving officer for example can defy the order given by the US secretary of defense because he is deemed to be acting on behalf of the government. Same way Wike was acting on behalf of the government. You can only go to court to stop him, any other way is illegal.

The President’s authority over the Armed Forces is inherent and non-delegable. Unless the President issues a specific directive through his duly appointed representative, no individual may exercise such powers on the mere assumption that representation confers discretionary command.

Consider a simple analogy: if your employer instructs you to visit his home to oversee a project, and upon arrival his wife refuses you entry, would you insult her on the grounds that you are acting on her husband’s behalf? Certainly not. Your representative capacity has clear limits; it does not empower you to address his wife in any manner you please. The appropriate course of action is to inform your employer, who will then intervene and instruct her accordingly.

Exercise in futility

Richtaiwo:
What exactly are you saying, and not saying? What is the purpose of all these endless explanations?

A soldier was instructed by his superior to secure a property on that officer’s behalf. If the minister arrived and found the soldiers there, he had absolutely no authority to address them in a commanding manner or to issue any form of directive. That is entirely improper.

The proper course of action is for him to pursue the matter through the appropriate legal and administrative channels, not to attempt issuing orders in the field. Any such orders from him would be null and void, as he does not possess the power to give them.

And where, exactly, did I say the military was right to obstruct him? Nowhere. The correct procedure is for him to take the issue back to the relevant military authorities, who can then summon and correct the personnel involved. But attempting to command the soldiers directly will naturally lead to disregard, because he simply does not have the authority to issue such orders.

The bolded, with all due respect, shows again that you are ignorant and unexposed.

Wike has the right to establish his authority and state to Yerima he is demanding access to do his job because he is acting with the official backing and authority of Mr.President.

Mr.President is the commander-in-chief of the Nigerian armed forces. He is therefore the automatic and constitutionally authoritative boss of whoever gave Yerima the duty of being a glorified maigaurd over a plot of land.

Meaning it is Yerima who must make a call to superiors to establish this. The onus of establishing right to access the property should not fall on Wike. He should arrive and do his job once he has stated the legality of his capacity to do that job.

It is for Yerima to verify the authority of Wike and not foe the FCT Ministwr to be making calls up and down. That is how it will/muat happen in all civilised nations of the world.

You only speak as you do because you lack exposure leading you to believe the wrongful interpretation and demand of "Wike should have called Yerima's superior" by Badaru, Matawalle, Buratai etal who are all Northerners with the traditional and wrong mindset the military is superior to civilian authority because they carry weapons and are approved to take life.

Of course moat Northern leaders, per traditional mindset of subjugation of their people, will argue a "bloody civilian" Minister, even when acting on the supreme authority of the President, should be the one phoning around to gain approval to do his job like a boy-boy to Yerima whose only braggart and ignorant demeanour comes from the power he believes the uniform he wears gives him as so many unprofessional members of our armed forces today similarly believe

It is Yerima, once Wike cites his legal power as FCT Minister to enter and inspect any premise in Abuja, even if done rudely, who must immediately seek clarification whether the Minister should be given access to do his job.

Wike can of course make a call but he should not have to do so and all arguing he should are Northerners with miliarised mentality plus their Southern supporters who dislike Wike or are fanboys of the irresponsibly god-like powers the Nigerian armed forces enjoy.

All Nigerians who are exposed, and have seen the conduct of armed forces of of other nations, know the "above all authority" mindset of our armed forces, where they behave as if we civilians are below them and cannot command them even when mandated to do so by the rule of law, must be whittled down.

To a considerabe extent what obtains now, as the Wike V Yerima saga exposed, must be reformed quickly and aggressively to pave way for a best global practices Nigerian armed forces that understands it can be responsible to superiors in their rank but must defer to civilian authority and rule of law always that takes precendence over their military bosses in an elective democracy.

That plot Wike viaited was not a site of war or anything to do with protection of the territorial integrity of Nigeria.

Wike attended to do his job over an administrative and civic matter he has full jurisdiction over.

Yerima and his Northern backers, who are leaders in Nigeria, are the one's in the wrong same as how Bala Mohammed argued Fulani herdsmen are justified carryinf Ak47 for protection whereas Southern leaders reminded him the Nigerian firearm laws forbids that.

WizardOfNG:
The bolded, with all due respect, shows again that you are ignorant and unexposed.

Wike has the right to establish his authority and state to Yerima he is demanding access to do his job because he is acting with the official backing and authority of Mr.President.

Mr.President is the commander-in-chief of the Nigerian armed forces. He is therefore the automatic and constitutionally authoritative boss of whoever gave Yerima the duty of being a glorified maigaurd over a plot of land.

Meaning it is Yerima who must make a call to superiors to establish this. The onus of establishing right to access the property should not fall on Wike. He should arrive and do his job once he has stated the legality of his capacity to do that job.

It is for Yerima to verify the authority of Wike and not foe the FCT Ministwr to be making calls up and down. That is how it will/muat happen in all civilised nations of the world.

You only speak as you do because you lack exposure leading you to believe the wrongful interpretation and demand of "Wike should have called Yerima's superior" by Badaru, Matawalle, Buratai etal who are all Northerners with the traditional and wrong mindset the military is superior to civilian authority because they carry weapons and are approved to take life.

Of course moat Northern leaders, per traditional mindset of subjugation of their people, will argue a "bloody civilian" Minister, even when acting on the supreme authority of the President, should be the one phoning around to gain approval to do his job like a boy-boy to Yerima whose only braggart and ignorant demeanour comes from the power he believes the uniform he wears gives him as so many unprofessional members of our armed forces today similarly believe

It is Yerima, once Wike cites his legal power as FCT Minister to enter and inspect any premise in Abuja, even if done rudely, who must immediately seek clarification whether the Minister should be given access to do his job.

Wike can of course make a call but he should not have to do so and all arguing he should are Northerners with miliarised mentality plus their Southern supporters who dislike Wike or are fanboys of the irresponsibly god-like powers the Nigerian armed forces enjoy.

All Nigerians who are exposed, and have seen the conduct of armed forces of of other nations, know the "above all authority" mindset of our armed forces, where they behave as if we civilians are below them and cannot command them even when mandated to do so by the rule of law, must be whittled down.

To a considerably extent what obtains now, as the Wike V Yerima saga exposed, must be reformed quickly and aggressively to pave way for a best global practices Nigerians armed forces that understands it can be responsible to superiors in their rank but must defer to civilian authority and rule of law that takes precendence over their military bosses in an elective democracy.

So much empty noise. There is no where a civilian orders a soldier, except if he is the president. Abeg I no fit shout. Because left for you, even clerk in local government secretariat should give orders to soldiers because military should be subject to civil authority. Try harder, the military can never take orders from civilians, whatever his position, never.
My country's military can be reduced to such level.
Bye.

Richtaiwo:
So much empty noise. There is no where a civilian orders a soldier, except if he is the president. Abeg I no fit shout. Because left for you, even clerk in local government secretariat should give orders to soldiers because military should be subject to civil authority. Try harder, the military can never take orders from civilians, whatever his position, never.
My country's military can be reduced to such level.
Bye.

You are the one making empty noise. Like I said several times, you are not exposed. That is the problem.

You are merely another Nigerian who wishes to use personal prejudices and sentiments to reach wrong and illegal conclusions.

Fear of coup is the beginning of wisdom

Richtaiwo:
The Armed forces has always been subject to civil rule. But that civil order must come from the president, not a minister, senator or state governors.

Those illiterates in the hallowed chamber should go study the meaning of armed forces subjecting to civil rule.

There is no credible source for the story, so I want to think the OP is just plain joking. If what he is talking about is true, then the Senate must be joking. Even in the Military, you don't just take orders from anyone despite being superior to your boss. You take order from your leader or boss in your direct line or chain of command. And that is what you stand by even if a General comes along. Military is regimented and chaos or confusion has real costs for them. So you take orders from your direct chain of command, simple.

Fake news.

Nice move.
Despite that this boy yerima still need to be dealt with.
Many of such evil act from the military personnel

Richtaiwo:
The Armed forces has always been subject to civil rule. But that civil order must come from the president, not a minister, senator or state governors.

Those illiterates in the hallowed chamber should go study the meaning of armed forces subjecting to civil rule.

Hmmmm meaning the president order through the senator or governor and minister is invalid.
Am sure morons in uniform never do you something before.
Something go join you and them soon and see how stupid they can be.

tunde1200:
Hmmmm meaning the president order through the senator or governor and minister is invalid.
Am sure morons in uniform never do you something before.
Something go join you and them soon and see how stupid they can be.

He is seriously irritating. There is no Nigerian with exposure beyond Nigeria, even if it is only Ghana or Kenya they have experience of, who will not confess Nigerian military, even if a decent and brave fighting force, is still grossly incompetent and unprofessional when it comes to recognition of the hierarchy of command and obedience.

I have visited at least 30 nations of the world in Africa, Asia, South America and North America. Canada is probably the only prominent nation of the world I am yet to set foot in.

I resent the Nigerian military especially because nowhere else have I seen the supremacists militarised culture present in Nigeria in all the nations of the world I have visited .

Mind you, this excludes nations worse than Nigeria like Mali, Niger Republic, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan , Iraq , Libya etal commonsense tells me to stay away from.

The day Soldier beats and strip him publicly, as they did that woman years ago in Lagos , caught on video, is the moment that misguided poster will understand why the Nigerian armed forces need to be made to understand they are not a law and culture to themselves superior to us all.

Look at the garbage below. That lady being flogged should not be having that done to her by anyone. Even if she has committed a criminal offence, it is the NPF that should use force to subdued and arrest her. Never any member of the Nigeria armed forces who should only make citizens arrest.

Where is this seen in civilised nations of the world? That poster you responded to is just a military fanboy and an unexposed individual.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGtb6kGugGE?si=rezMqXur9KARJFI0

Weakk go cry and explain tire

Absolutely on point, but on the condition that they are on the side of legality.

But is that what we have in this case? Of course not. Tomorrow a military man can just 'step' on your property and u dare not say kpim. If they can get away with this illegal act with the 'governor' of FCT, what will now be your own fate as an ordinary civilian.

Richtaiwo:
The Armed forces has always been subject to civil rule. But that civil order must come from the president, not a minister, senator or state governors.

Those illiterates in the hallowed chamber should go study the meaning of armed forces subjecting to civil rule.

We are playing with fire with this impunity.
Tomorrow an ordinary recruit will disobey another governor and hide under the excuse of 'order from my superior's.

WizardOfNG:
He is seriously irritating. There is no Nigerian with exposure beyond Nigeria, even if it is only Ghana or Kenya they have experience of, who will not confess Nigerian military, even if a decent and brave fighting force, is still grossly incompetent and unprofessional when it comes to recognition of the hierarchy of command and obedience.

I have visited at least 30 nations of the world in Africa, Asia, South America and North America. Canada is probably the only prominent nation of the world I am yet to set foot in.

I resent the Nigerian military especially because nowhere else have I seen the supremacists militarised culture present in Nigeria in all the nations of the world I have visited .

Mind you, this excludes nations worse than Nigeria like Mali, Niger Republic, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan , Iraq , Libya etal commonsense tells me to stay away from.

The day Soldier beats and strip him publicly, as they did that woman years ago in Lagos , caught on video, is the moment that misguided poster will understand why the Nigerian armed forces need to be made to understand they are not a law and culture to themselves superior to us all.

Look at the garbage below. That lady being flogged should not be having that done to her by anyone. Even if she has committed a criminal offence, it is the NPF that should use force to subdued and arrest her. Never any member of the Nigeria armed forces who should only make citizens arrest.

Where is this seen in civilised nations of the world? That poster you responded to is just a military fanboy and an unexposed individual.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGtb6kGugGE?si=rezMqXur9KARJFI0

You they mind them them the hypocrite.
They think say soldiers are human being because wike no be better person too before.

tunde1200:
You they mind them them the hypocrite.
They think say soldiers are human being because wike no be better person too before.

This is the problem. They have transferred hatred for Wike to support for unprofessional demons in our military, badly in need of attitudinal change, who view all of us as "bloody civilians" they are superior to.

Imagine a power-drunk illiterate in the Army thinking himself superior to a world class professor he can whip and humiliate in public merely because he wears a uniform.

Is this not the fundamental "might is right" mentality engulfing Nigeria that is today behind terrorism, banditry etal and leading every bully and potential serial killer with a gun to believe themselves superior to others?

The Nigerian armed forces need more professionalism urgently.

zeuss:
A step in the right direction ... A notable move from the jungle mentality highlighted by the conduct of that officer towards wike, this is long over due, military has no reason to be in uniform in civil society intimidating civilians, seizing /stealing boots and apparel and calling them bloody. Overdue decades ago.

U are ignorant....jst imagine if civilians can give order to soldiers without going tru chain of command. There no where in d world where millitary men on duty anywhere take orders frm civilians without going tru chain of command

bdon123:
U are ignorant....jst imagine if civilians can give order to soldiers without going tru chain of command. There no where in d world where military men on duty anywhere take orders frm civilians without going tru chain of command

in other places in the world soldiers don't come out of their baracks to harass civilians or get involved in civilian matters or even government, FYI the military and police induction oath is very similar. But the military being exposed to politics and have ensured that legislation positions the profession to be elevated beyond its ideal societal role as seen in other countries.
Nobody has ever said civilians will give orders to military ,,,,,,civilians do not even give order to police or other paramilitary institutions, even as they are all in the same boat (bear arms) but the others respect themselves when confronted by civilian authority.

Long overdue, enough of we are waiting for order from above before we can attack bandits.

Gbam you're 100℅ right bro...!

WizardOfNG:
This is the problem. They have transferred hatred for Wike to support for unprofessional demons in our military, badly in need of attitudinal change, who view all of us as "bloody civilians" they are superior to.

Imagine a power-drunk illiterate in the Army thinking himself superior to a world class professor he can whip and humiliate in public merely because he wears a uniform.

Is this not the fundamental "might is right" mentality engulfing Nigeria that is today behind terrorism, banditry etal and leading every bully and potential serial killer with a gun to believe themselves superior to others?

The Nigerian armed forces need more professionalism urgently.

zeuss:
in other places in the world soldiers don't come out of their baracks to harass civilians or get involved in civilian matters or even government, FYI the military and police induction oath is very similar. But the military being exposed to politics and have ensured that legislation positions the profession to be elevated beyond its ideal societal role as seen in other countries.
Nobody has ever said civilians will give orders to military ,,,,,,civilians do not even give order to police or other paramilitary institutions, even as they are all in the same boat (bear arms) but the others respect themselves when confronted by civilian authority.

I understand wat u are saying abt civilians remaining in baracks in other countries.Mind u those other countries have d best lf housing estates for their personel n we dont even come close.presently,Nigeria cannot afford to house 100% complement of its personel in a baracks.Also blame ur very irresponsible police/corruption for d activeness of millitary outside baracks.Again,Nigeria cannot afford d right size of police force to keep millitary out 9f active duty in securing lives n property.

zeuss:
in other places in the world soldiers don't come out of their baracks to harass civilians or get involved in civilian matters or even government, FYI the military and police induction oath is very similar. But the military being exposed to politics and have ensured that legislation positions the profession to be elevated beyond its ideal societal role as seen in other countries.
Nobody has ever said civilians will give orders to military ,,,,,,civilians do not even give order to police or other paramilitary institutions, even as they are all in the same boat (bear arms) but the others respect themselves when confronted by civilian authority.

Yes u are right soldiers dont come out of barracks in a sane society. However ,we aint no sane society. Police is under funded n politicised.police cant handle our security. Till we become a society where police is equipped to handle insurgency then millitary won't be in baracks.dont forget even d millitary is under funded as there is no enough hiusesin baracks to properly house d soldiers