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You won't stop deceiving yourself walahi talahi.

Don't you know that when talking about someone who is to rule people believe in the spiritual?

Ọmọ it's whatever their religious leaders say he or she heard from God, gods that will determine where they will cast their votes, that's the reason why politicians are afraid of religious leaders and the more reason why politically oriented religions are fighting for supremacy!🙂

lawani:
People gather for many reasons, including but not limited to politics, sports, concert and etc. Religion is not what makes politics or government possible
In democracy, you campaign and take part in elections. However I am not an advocate of banning spirituality whose priests work like artisans and who teach by apprenticeship.
We however don't need religion for anything

MaxInDHouse:
You won't stop deceiving yourself walahi talahi.

Don't you know that when talking about someone who is to rule people believe in the spiritual?

Ọmọ it's whatever their religious leaders say he or she heard from God, gods that will determine where they will cast their votes, that's the reason why politicians are afraid of religious leaders and the more reason why politically oriented religions are fighting for supremacy!🙂

I agree with you that politicians use religion but that is a different ball game from saying politics and nation building can not be possible without religion

lawani:
I agree with you that politicians use religion but that is a different ball game from saying politics and nation building can not be possible without religion.

Think of your own people instead of looking at people whose culture is not tied to religion. Today 98% of the world's population is controlled by religion or it's other form.
So thinking there could ever be a world without religion is like expecting a car to move without fuel in it.

MaxInDHouse:
Think of your own people instead of looking at people whose culture is not tied to religion. Today 98% of the world's population is controlled by religion or it's other form.
So thinking there could ever be a world without religion is like expecting a car to move without fuel in it.

I see that you count Buddhism and Hinduism as religions for you to arrive at 98 percent. However they are not because like traditional spiritualities they don't have books that must be believed to attain salvation. They are academic in their approach to spirituality. Only Christianity and Islam are anti science. They are the only religions. If you have holy book you are anti science.
I am not looking for a world without spirituality but for one without religion.

Do they gather for worship?🙂

lawani:
I see that you count Buddhism and Hinduism as religions for you to arrive at 98 percent. However they are not because like traditional spiritualities they don't have books that must be believed to attain salvation. They are academic in their approach to spirituality. Only Christianity and Islam are anti science. They are the only religions. If you have holy book you are anti science.
I am not looking for a world without spirituality but for one without religion.

MaxInDHouse:
Do they gather for worship?🙂

Yes they do for various reasons. Even the Yoruba iseese do so too for various reasons too

That's what i'm telling you.

Politicians will enter into their gathering to make use of them at least they will be vulnerable to whatever spirituality they subscribe to, hence opportunity to make them his supporters!🙂

lawani:
Yes they do for various reasons. Even the Yoruba iseese do so too for various reasons too

MaxInDHouse:
That's what i'm telling you.

Politicians will enter into their gathering to make use of them at least they will be vulnerable to whatever spirituality they subscribe to, hence opportunity to make them his supporters!🙂

That is ok if the politician can convince them. You can't rule out influence peddling in any setting. Like minded people will always gather for various reasons. It is part of civilization

We should however try and make sure people don't gather for the wrong reasons

lawani:
That is ok if the politician can convince them. You can't rule out influence peddling in any setting. Like minded people will always gather for various reasons. It is part of civilization
We should however try and make sure people don't gather for the wrong reasons

Obviously you don't know the pass code of politicians:

"If you can't win them lead them"

So once people gather no matter their motive it's only true religion no politician can influence as long as people gather in this world and they don't worship the true God politicians will misdirect them into hating and killing themselves!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't know the pass code of politicians:

"If you can't win them lead them"

So once people gather no matter their motive it's only true religion no politician can influence as long as people gather in this world and they don't worship the true God politicians will misdirect them into hating and killing themselves!🙂

Before Christianity the only reason people used to fight and kill each other used to be over land or control of territory. Fighting over God is a novelty in the world brought by Christianity. There is no true religion and God has different names in different languages. Why would you say the traditional theology or spirituality of any group is false religion?. That is condescension. No right thinking and well led group will accept it.

lawani:
Before Christianity the only reason people used to fight and kill each other used to be over land or control of territory.

The highlighted is what you can't deny.

POLITICS!

MaxInDHouse:
You can continue lying to yourself after telling you several times that no single Christian has ever raised a weapon against anyone in the name of religion you keep repeating the lie just to convince yourself.
Jehovah's Witnesses are the only true Christians that's what Christianity truly means before politicians killed the pioneers of true religion and started using false religions as their tool.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses can never ever be influenced by politicians so if you are sure that Christianity started it then look for a way to stop it among those false religions after all true Christians today Jehovah's Witnesses are practicing what their first century brothers practiced!🙂

I have pointed out to you that JW are similar to early Christians but you said they can never fill up any country because any politician they convert must give up politics, I then pointed out that if JW is asking people to give up nation building to be acceptable before God, then they are very similar to a dangerous cult. No nation that wants patriotic citizens should allow them within her borders

lawani:
No nation that wants patriotic citizens should allow them within her borders

Highlighted are the scapegoats politicians use to promote hatred everywhere they are.

Meanwhile you rightly said people fight and kill due to control of territory that's what politics is all about something no religion promotes!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Highlighted are the scapegoats politicians use to promote hatred everywhere they are.

Meanwhile you rightly said people fight and kill due to control of territory that's what politics is all about something no religion promotes!🙂

It is easy to solve the problem of borders and wars on that front will end. It is even possible for all the world to be efficiently run but religion will still be there as a reason to hate, fight and kill each other. What do you think can be done about the blood letting religion is causing?

lawani:
It is easy to solve the problem of borders and wars on that front will end.

You love lies!

You said before Christianity people used to fight and kill for control of territories which is POLITICS yet you want to convince yourself that it's possible to stop it whereas thousands of years has passed that people have been fighting and killing for territories so how come they couldn't solve it nah?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
You love lies!

You said before Christianity people used to fight and kill for control of territories which is POLITICS yet you want to convince yourself that it's possible to stop it whereas thousands of years has passed that people have been fighting and killing for territories so how come they couldn't solve it nah?🙂

So you think it is impossible to have borders that everybody will respect?. We are almost there because if not so many countries without military power will not be countries including Nigeria

lawani:
So you think it is impossible to have borders that everybody will respect?. We are almost there because if not so many countries without military power will not be countries including Nigeria

POLITICS is the cause of borders there is no need for people to subject to one man and serving him like a demigod.

If we are one global family all what we need is laws regarding right and wrong so that all of us will obey it without letting anyone lord over right and wrong which those ruling today are doing.

They are above the same laws they set up yet people like you will be claiming PATRIOTIC under them like slaves, you will fight to protect them and their families but after the fight they will be in control of what you put your life on the line for.

Why can't we all live like a global family without territories ruled at the detriment of the less privileged?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
POLITICS is the cause of borders there is no need for people to subject to one man and serving him like a demigod.

If we are one global family all what we need is laws regarding right and wrong so that all of us will obey it without letting anyone lord over right and wrong which those ruling today are doing.

They are above the same laws they set up yet people like you will be claiming PATRIOTIC under them like slaves, you will fight to protect them and their families but after the fight they will be in control of what you put your life on the line for.

Why can't we all live like a global family without territories ruled at the detriment of the less privileged?🙂

I am not in support of that kind of world without borders. It will be too monotonous and it can lead to many problems. Let units be allowed to make mistakes that others can learn from.

lawani:
I am not in support of that kind of world without borders. It will be too monotonous and it can lead to many problems. Let units be allowed to make mistakes that others can learn from.

Mono or not that's the only solution to WARS as greedy politicians will be lying to you that you are patriotic whereas they are the same people behind the so called conflicts you are dying for!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Mono or not that's the only solution to WARS as greedy politicians will be lying to you that you are patriotic whereas they are the same people behind the so called conflicts you are dying for!🙂

We need a democratic UN. I agree with that but I don't agree with forcing the same policies on all nations.
Presently there are only a handful of spots on Earth where there is war over territory

lawani:
We need a democratic UN. I agree with that but I don't agree with forcing the same policies on all nations. Presently there are only a handful of spots on Earth where there is war over territory.

Can your UN make all their members agree like we have among Jehovah's Witnesses?🙂
Because it's members of this same UN that's making our world a terrible place as their members can't agree to making peace something all members of Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved in Jesus name! John 13:34-35; 17:22; Isaiah 2:4🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Can your UN make all their members agree like we have among Jehovah's Witnesses?🙂
Because it's members of this same UN that's making our world a terrible place as their members can't agree to making peace something all members of Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved in Jesus name! John 13:34-35; 17:22; Isaiah 2:4🙂

In a democratic UN there will be voting. The UN has not gotten it right yet but as a community on Earth we have come a long way. Gone are the days when wars were all over the place and no border was permanent

lawani:
In a democratic UN there will be voting. The UN has not gotten it right yet but as a community on Earth we have come a long way. Gone are the days when wars were all over the place and no border was permanent.

Until your UN make peace reign among all it's members from different countries throughout the world JWs organization has proved beyond reasonable doubt that we have the spirit of God which is LOVE among us! John 13:34-35

The so called BORDERS are for people like you who feels race, tribes, ethnicity or language should separate mankind but in our organization we have removed all those borders in our hearts so that anyone willing to live by God's standard is our brother or sister no matter where such a person comes from.

So let your UN or Ifá achieve something close to that first before thinking we are evil for cutting off prejudice among us which you wanted in the name of PATRIOTISM!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Until your UN make peace reign among all it's members from different countries throughout the world JWs organization has proved beyond reasonable doubt that we have the spirit of God which is LOVE among us! John 13:34-35

The so called BORDERS are for people like you who feels race, tribes, ethnicity or language should separate mankind but in our organization we have removed all those borders in our hearts so that anyone willing to live by God's standard is our brother or sister no matter where such a person comes from.

So let your UN or Ifá achieve something close to that first before thinking we are evil for cutting off prejudice among us which you wanted in the name of PATRIOTISM!🙂

The problem with JW is that your ideology that classifies traditional spirituality as false religion can not be acceptable to the majority of right thinking people from different human cultures. JW are not equipped to run even a village not to talk of the whole world.
The world is not where we were in the nineteenth century. We are moving forward. In the nineteenth century the most powerful will reduce others to tributaries.
In the coming years we will achieve peace and prosperity on Earth. All the ingredients are already on ground.

Note that we are not forcing our beliefs on anyone rather people from different countries throughout the world are subjecting themselves to our God {Isaiah 2:3} so let's wait until your UN or Ifá achieve something close to that!

lawani:
The problem with JW is that your ideology that classifies traditional spirituality as false religion can not be acceptable to the majority of right thinking people from different human cultures. JW are not equipped to run even a village not to talk of the whole world.
The world is not where we were in the nineteenth century. We are moving forward. In the nineteenth century the most powerful will reduce others to tributaries.
In the coming years we will achieve peace and prosperity on Earth. All the ingredients are already on ground.

MaxInDHouse:
Until your UN make peace reign among all it's members from different countries throughout the world JWs organization has proved beyond reasonable doubt that we have the spirit of God which is LOVE among us! John 13:34-35

The so called BORDERS are for people like you who feels race, tribes, ethnicity or language should separate mankind but in our organization we have removed all those borders in our hearts so that anyone willing to live by God's standard is our brother or sister no matter where such a person comes from.

So let your UN or Ifá achieve something close to that first before thinking we are evil for cutting off prejudice among us which you wanted in the name of PATRIOTISM!🙂

Your plan does not include saving the majority as you yourselves know fair minded people can not easily subscribe to your ideology.
Your end game is that you will gather only a few people with your teachings and the majority will perish ie be destroyed by your God. That is despicable

There is nothing wrong with borders. It makes everything more beautiful. People are naturally divided into nations that speak the same language, cities, families and individuals etc. If all nations are responsibly led, it will just be just as if there are no borders

lawani:
Your plan does not include saving the majority as you yourselves know fair minded people can not easily subscribe to your ideology. Your end game is that you will gather only a few people with your teachings and the majority will perish ie be destroyed by your God. That is despicable. There is nothing wrong with borders. It makes everything more beautiful. People are naturally divided into nations that speak the same language, cities, families and individuals etc. If all nations are responsibly led, it will just be just as if there are no borders.

You just enjoy deceiving yourself with lies because after they failed to unite in agreement even your UN often kill people who don't agree with their terms by sending their united force to destroy them so you have no point!

MaxInDHouse:
You just enjoy deceiving yourself with lies because after they failed to unite in agreement even your UN often kill people who don't agree with their terms by sending their united force to destroy them so you have no point!

It is not everytime that killing people is wrong. Will you be wrong to defend your self and home as well as loved ones if armed robbers invade your home?. Not everybody is reasonable and unreasonable groups can be put down by force

lawani:
It is not everytime that killing people is wrong. Will you be wrong to defend your self and home as well as loved ones if armed robbers invade your home?. Not everybody is reasonable and unreasonable groups can be put down by force

So our God will end badness once for all time not to be repeated again.

Do you see the difference now?

MaxInDHouse:
So our God will end badness once for all time not to be repeated again.

Do you see the difference now?

Your God who is a killer of unbelievers is not a reasonable person and should be arrested if possible

lawani:
Your God who is a killer of unbelievers is not a reasonable person and should be arrested if possible.

But you are in support of the same thing nah!🙂

According to you the UN will KILL those who refuse to BELIEVE (agree) with them so what's the difference?

MaxInDHouse:
But you are in support of the same thing nah!🙂

According to you the UN will KILL those who refuse to BELIEVE (agree) with them so what's the difference?

There are just wars and legal executions. If the whole world agrees on something and a group takes up arm to fight the rest of the world, it will not be wrong to crush them since they have taken up arms and are aggressors. Therefore not all wars are wrong. Even JW will defend his or her home which brings to ridicule the JW idea that you should not defend your country which is just a bigger home.

However the UN will not kill anybody over God. No swords drawn during an academic debate.
If I may ask, is the abolition of the death penalty a desire of the JW?