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Greetings guys, I was up last night doing some research and I was asking myself;
Why's religion dividing the world??
Is the crusaders war the reason Muslims have refused to forgive the Christians?
What really went wrong that these two religious groups?
Why can't they both live in peace??
I also went deeper to understand that Christians used violence to enforce religious conformity and persecute those who did not adhere to the official doctrine. For instance, the Catholic Church brutally suppressed competing faiths, such as the Cathars and Hussites, to re-establish its dominance over Christianity in Europe.
The first crusade was a military campaign by western European forces that happened between 1095 to 1102. Complete answer: During the first crusade in 1095 to 1102 the Western European forces led a military campaign to recapture Jerusalem and the holy land from Muslim control........
I found out a lot which I am sharing for a clearer view........ please do well to clarify me and the world.

It's estimated that the death toll from the Crusades is two to six million people just from Western Europe. And just to put that into perspective, the European population at the time was about 60 to 70 million folks.

The Quran acknowledges Christians as “People of the Book,” along with Jews, recognizing the divine revelations they have received.

So much history we know nothing about.

were crusaders an act of defense?

No. And to be clear, we know they weren’t because that’s what the Crusaders said.

The Crusades were launched by the Council of Clermont in 1095, with Pope Urban II and a bunch of allies issuing a call for Christian warriors to go to the Holy Land. We’ve got several accounts of that conference and its announcements, so we’ve got a pretty good idea of the rationale behind the war. And self-defense was not on the menu. The position of the council was that there were Christians off to the east suffering under the oppression of infidels, and war against those infidels in defense of those Christians was justified. There was no indication whatsoever that anyone in western Europe felt at all threatened by encroaching Islam, nor that they were justified in reconquering Christian land, nor that this was retaliation for a long history of Muslim attacks. It was about coming to the defense of Christians elsewhere who were in need. It was about going somewhere else to help someone else, not self-defense.

Are christians supposed to fight back or just pray and fast?
Clear persecution against Muslims.

Self-defence does not involve marching halfway across the world to butcher pregnant women and babies, slaughter defenceless civilians and roast small children on stakes. There was nothing “defensive" about it.

Sunnis, Shia, Jews, Copts, Orthodox Christians? Who cares, the Crusaders indiscriminately massacred them all in cold blood.

The only sense in which the Crusades were a reaction to anything was the Seljuk conquests of the Near East. But by the time the Crusade reached Jerusalem, the city had been captured by the Shia Fatimid dynasty of Egypt, and they were approached as allies.

But the Crusaders ignored this and instead carried out one of the most heinous mass atrocities in human history, genocide against the civilian populace.

From this can be seen what the Crusaders really were. A band of savage murderers no better than the Mongols.

The only people who argue otherwise are modern racists with a right wing agenda.

Many (Christians) recognise that there was a need to defend the vulnerable Christians of the Holy Land. Thus the First Crusade was an understandable (possibly justifiable) belated response to the initial Muslim aggression in the first expansionist jihad which conquered and subjugated vast Christian regions.


Islam is the paradigm of religion born as imperial power. No other faith was intentionally founded to be a successful amalgam of faith and power. Although Muslims did not convert the world at the point of the sword, they did try to conquer it in the fastest and largely permanent conquest of recorded military history.

What happened before 1095 to Egypt, Lybia, Syria, Algeria, Iran, Turkey?

Who did what to who in the 7th century.

And also, what was going on in Spain before the Crusaders was formed?

manuelkel:
Many (Christians) recognise that there was a need to defend the vulnerable Christians of the Holy Land. Thus the First Crusade was an understandable (possibly justifiable) belated response to the initial Muslim aggression in the first expansionist jihad which conquered and subjugated vast Christian regions.


Islam is the paradigm of religion born as imperial power. No other faith was intentionally founded to be a successful amalgam of faith and power. Although Muslims did not convert the world at the point of the sword, they did try to conquer it in the fastest and largely permanent conquest of recorded military history.

I don't understand this statement.

Coder2Client:
I don't understand this statement.

I'm not sure if it's what it is, I'm still yet to understand.

manuelkel:
Greetings guys, I was up last night doing some research and I was asking myself;
Why's religion dividing the world??
Is the crusaders war the reason Muslims have refused to forgive the Christians?
What really went wrong that these two religious groups?
Why can't they both live in peace??

Greetings to you Sir, i really appreciate it when some individuals come out to ask such thought provoking questions so i will say thank you once again for seeking clarity on this matter.
To start with i want you to know that the people fighting or let's say defending using weapons were never Christians Jesus the man from Nazareth taught his followers never to raise weapons against anyone in the process of settling issues {Matthew 26:52} this means they should not think of setting standards for people forcefully or imposing their beliefs on people who feels differently about their faith! Matthew 10:16
So what went wrong?
Jesus used a parable to tell his disciples what will happen when they are no more he said this teaching will be for a short period of time {Luke 18:8} then Satan will use his own agents to overlay what Jesus and his Apostles taught the disciples but instead of fighting to stop this evil deeds things will be left like that for a long time until towards the end of this system of things then angels will start separating true Christians from false religionists claiming Christians! Matthew 13:24-30 & 36-43
Jesus later revealed to apostle John that the separation will occur in our time! Revelations 14:15

So it was after the death of Apostles or when they were sleeping in death that Satan was able to enforce false religions claiming Christians on people everywhere his agents go instead of humbly preaching and teaching just as Jesus commanded {Matthew 10:11-14; 28:19-20} this people were forcefully imposing their beliefs on people claiming they are doing so for Jesus.

Well Jesus returned in the year 1914 and began restructuring his group though it was really tough for imperfect humans to welcome this changes but after some time true Christianity was restored so that Jesus' disciples are now preaching and teaching again globally as they used to do in the first century.

So when people are blaming Muslims for fighting they don't know that these Muslims didn't start the fighting rather it's false religionists claiming Christians that were using force to impose their rule on people therefore the Muslims thought it's about rulership and not God that's why they are now doing exactly the same thing false Christians started back then.

God bless you and may you have peace!

The truth is, those people weren't real Christians; those were the Catholicans just trying to grab more political power and control things. Back in the medieval days, the Church was basically part of the government, and the kings used it to make rules stick. Think of the massive power the Bishop has in chess—that's how much control the church had. So, it was absolutely more about politics and being power-hungry than actual religion.

And we still see that mentality today in 'churchians.' Those are the people who sincerely believe that following the rules of the physical church blindly is a better guarantee for getting into heaven than focusing on following God directly.

MaxInDHouse:
Greetings to you Sir, i really appreciate it when some individuals come out to ask such thought provoking questions so i will say thank you once again for seeking clarity on this matter.
To start with i want you to know that the people fighting or let's say defending using weapons were never Christians Jesus the man from Nazareth taught his followers never to raise weapons against anyone in the process of settling issues {Matthew 26:52} this means they should not think of setting standards for people forcefully or imposing their beliefs on people who feels differently about their faith! Matthew 10:16
So what went wrong?
Jesus used a parable to tell his disciples what will happen when they are no more he said this teaching will be for a short period of time {Luke 18:8} then Satan will use his own agents to overlay what Jesus and his Apostles taught the disciples but instead of fighting to stop this evil deeds things will be left like that for a long time until towards the end of this system of things then angels will start separating true Christians from false religionists claiming Christians! Matthew 13:24-30 & 36-43
Jesus later revealed to apostle John that the separation will occur in our time! Revelations 14:15

So it was after the death of Apostles or when they were sleeping in death that Satan was able to enforce false religions claiming Christians on people everywhere his agents go instead of humbly preaching and teaching just as Jesus commanded {Matthew 10:11-14; 28:19-20} this people were forcefully imposing their beliefs on people claiming they are doing so for Jesus.

Well Jesus returned in the year 1914 and began restructuring his group though it was really tough for imperfect humans to welcome this changes but after some time true Christianity was restored so that Jesus' disciples are now preaching and teaching again globally as they used to do in the first century.

So when people are blaming Muslims for fighting they don't know that these Muslims didn't start the fighting rather it's false religionists claiming Christians that were using force to impose their rule on people therefore the Muslims thought it's about rulership and not God that's why they are now doing exactly the same thing false Christians started back then.

God bless you and may you have peace!

Greetings too, well you've spoken right from a Christian perspective, but if you deny they were not christians as history recorded then why do you think that the Muslims fighting for their religious course are pure Muslims??
There are seven different sects in Islam, namely Sunni, Shia, Whabbi, Salafi, Berelvi, Sufi and Deobandi (Seven Sects) have different perspectives on creativity and relations in Islam.
Any of these sects could have a different view of this argument but that doesn't make entirely the 7 sects criticized for an action carried out by one or two sects depending on their perspectives and the same doctrine....
But your point “false religionists” has given me an hint that you have a point.
All these propagandas were initiated by “false religionists” which has transcended till date causing more harm than good.

The founder of Islam led his disciples to war so any Muslim speaking against war is not a true followers of Muhammad!

manuelkel:
Greetings too, well you've spoken right from a Christian perspective, but if you deny they were not christians as history recorded then why do you think that the Muslims fighting for their religious course are pure Muslims??
There are seven different sects in Islam, namely Sunni, Shia, Whabbi, Salafi, Berelvi, Sufi and Deobandi (Seven Sects) have different perspectives on creativity and relations in Islam.
Any of these sects could have a different view of this argument but that doesn't make entirely the 7 sects criticized for an action carried out by one or two sects depending on their perspectives and the same doctrine....
But your point “false religionists” has given me an hint that you have a point.
All these propagandas were initiated by “false religionists” which has transcended till date causing more harm than good.

SpencerForbes:
The truth is, those people weren't real Christians; those were the Catholicans just trying to grab more political power and control things. Back in the medieval days, the Church was basically part of the government, and the kings used it to make rules stick. Think of the massive power the Bishop has in chess—that's how much control the church had. So, it was absolutely more about politics and being power-hungry than actual religion.

And we still see that mentality today in 'churchians.' Those are the people who sincerely believe that following the rules of the physical church blindly is a better guarantee for getting into heaven than focusing on following God directly.

Explicit explanation, the actions of those catholicans have really painted Christianity, to have perpetuated genocide against unbelievers the history stands that they were ‘Christians’....Christ's likes....just like the Muslims.
I'm sure that the perspectives of Muslims are different, some fight with good course while some fight with bad course but it still doesn't differentiate who's who since it's a religion.

MaxInDHouse:
The founder of Islam led his disciples to war so any Muslim speaking against war is not a true followers of Muhammad!

Led his disciples to war on what course??
I think he was against caravans to disrupt the Meccan economy and also for his political ambitions just like Christ chose to defend man kind by dying for humanity.....the same course different pattern.
Muhammad went to war primarily to defend his community, conquer Mecca, and expand the influence of Islam after facing persecution from his own tribe, the Quraysh. His campaigns were also directed against other tribes that opposed the spread of Islam.
Does that justify why Christians don't have to defend themselves

The way God thinks is far higher than the way man thinks {Isaiah 55:8-9} what God purposed is a global family not where each person is fighting for his or her own family {Isaiah 2:2-4} that's why Christians were taught never to defend any region rather we are to make peace with everyone be it friend or foe! Matthew 5:43-48

If you are a Christian in any part of the world you should be my brother and no border should separate us talkless policies of worldly politicians! John 13:34-35

Without that you will carry weapons against the same people you should preach to convert and the worst is you have to raise weapons against your fellow believers!😟

manuelkel:
Led his disciples to war on what course??
I think he was against caravans to disrupt the Meccan economy and also for his political ambitions just like Christ chose to defend man kind by dying for humanity.....the same course different pattern.
Muhammad went to war primarily to defend his community, conquer Mecca, and expand the influence of Islam after facing persecution from his own tribe, the Quraysh. His campaigns were also directed against other tribes that opposed the spread of Islam.
Does that justify why Christians don't have to defend themselves

It was atheists who first started armed robberies, banditry, wars, government and taxes. (Banditry means taxes as you can see the bandits have done in the north)

And atheists are either those who were cast out by their homes and natural villages because they committed one big crime or those who ran away to escape judgement for the crimes they did.

And they ran to other lands where they met others like themselves and together they found a place to live away from people after forming an agreement that they would not harm each other. (Original of legal system).

And where they now started robbing travelers and anyone outside their camp. And when that one casted, they then had to start going to villages to rob and loot them.

And as you see from the north, the robbing was too much so the villages came to agreement with them to be giving them an agreed allocation so that the robbers would give them peace (Origin of Taxes)

And in addition to peace from robbing, the atheists robbers promised to protect the villages. And so you now can see how capitals and regions and territories were formed.

And other atheists also followed and did same. Even those from the first camp went out to create their own territory.

So this is how it all began.

SpencerForbes:
The truth is, those people weren't real Christians; those were the Catholicans just trying to grab more political power and control things.

More accurately, the Romans and the British did it

manuelkel:
Greetings too, well you've spoken right from a Christian perspective, but if you deny they were not christians as history recorded then why do you think that the Muslims fighting for their religious course are pure Muslims??
There are seven different sects in Islam, namely Sunni, Shia, Whabbi, Salafi, Berelvi, Sufi and Deobandi (Seven Sects) have different perspectives on creativity and relations in Islam.
Any of these sects could have a different view of this argument but that doesn't make entirely the 7 sects criticized for an action carried out by one or two sects depending on their perspectives and the same doctrine....
But your point “false religionists” has given me an hint that you have a point.
All these propagandas were initiated by “false religionists” which has transcended till date causing more harm than good.

Maybe because other Muslims do support these acts of terrorism when it's not affecting them? Maybe you were not in the north when this madness started. Northern Muslims were happy seeing boko haram destroying churches. What would you call that? Were you around during the time that lady was stoned and burned by her Muslim colleagues?

Question is who profits from Christianity Vs Islam?

Once you've entered and exited that rabbit hole, you will never be the same again

Crusade was successful because Christians can go to pilgrimage in holy ;and of Jerusalem unlike before when Muslim claimed the birth place of Jesus Christ as their own.
It is as a result of crusade and 1945 treaties that West Bank and other arabic countries fight isreal

TokoEkambi:
Maybe because other Muslims do support these acts of terrorism when it's not affecting them? Maybe you were not in the north when this madness started. Northern Muslims were happy seeing boko haram destroying churches. What would you call that? Were you around during the time that lady was stoned and burned by her Muslim colleagues?

Na wa oo, me self I come dey wonder ooo. Is there an idea you have that could help to strengthen the relativity of Christians and Muslims??
Can't the religious or tribal leaders come together for a resolution in other to maintain peace and understanding??
If you dey Nigeria you go just dey wonder so many things.

manuelkel:
Na wa oo, me self I come dey wonder ooo. Is there an idea you have that could help to strengthen the relativity of Christians and Muslims??
Can't the religious or tribal leaders come together for a resolution in other to maintain peace and understanding??
If you dey Nigeria you go just dey wonder so many things.

There can't be a resolution as far as Muslims are involved. The only way there can be a resolution to religious problems is when Muslims are in the absolute majority (they would've made sure they hold all the aces), or when they're still a minority (they will be doing their taqqiyya amd pretending they love peace, biding their time). If there is no absolute majority in place, Muslims will always be troublesome. Just observe European countries that allow an increase in the influx of Muslims (cue France).