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BATified2023:
imagine when a tribe believe Buhari was cloned without knowing the meaning of cloning

They are actually right here, imagine some people from certain part of the country telling a fellow citizen they will never rule Nigeria, what can be worse than that. the rate is even so high than the country deserve

Fenrir:
I’ve said it many times — Nigerians are among the most intelligent people on the planet. The problem isn’t a lack of brilliance; it’s how that brilliance is used. Too often, it’s turned inward, to compete and step over one another, instead of being harnessed to lift each other up.

And my name is sven not mr foreigner.

Indeed, they are the most intelligent. You are Mr. Foreigner to me.

Fenrir:
And think the term you are looking for is "thought experiment"

I prefer thought question, but thanks.

steadygo:
Indeed, they are the most intelligent. You are Mr. Foreigner to me.

You asked for “thoughts,” not passports. When we discuss something as universal as intelligence, the methodology and interpretation are open to everyone — that’s how knowledge works.

If hearing a non-Nigerian perspective feels uncomfortable, perhaps that’s worth examining, because insight doesn’t lose value based on who offers it. I didn’t comment to “fix” Nigeria, only to add reason to a discussion you invited.

True intelligence — the kind no test can measure — is the ability to hear a different view without taking offense.

Fenrir:
You asked for “thoughts,” not passports. When we discuss something as universal as intelligence, the methodology and interpretation are open to everyone — that’s how knowledge works.

If hearing a non-Nigerian perspective feels uncomfortable, perhaps that’s worth examining, because insight doesn’t lose value based on who offers it. I didn’t comment to “fix” Nigeria, only to add reason to a discussion you invited.

True intelligence — the kind no test can measure — is the ability to hear a different view without taking offense.

I don't have time for your half-baked truths. A non-Nigerian perspective does not make me feel "uncomfortable", it is simply not relevant to me in this scenario.

steadygo:
I don't have time for your half-baked truths. A non-Nigerian perspective does not make me feel "uncomfortable", it is simply not relevant to me in this scenario.

Relevance isn’t something decided by emotion, it’s earned by contribution — and right now, Nigeria needs every honest perspective it can get, whether it’s comfortable or not.

You talk about “Nigerian intelligence,” yet react to a simple discussion like it’s a personal insult. That’s not intelligence — that’s insecurity dressed as pride.

If you only want Nigerians to agree with you, you’re not having a discussion, you’re holding a mirror. And the irony? The world you reject opinions from is the same world Nigeria depends on for validation, technology, and investment.

So maybe the “irrelevant” foreign view isn’t the problem — maybe it’s the refusal to face uncomfortable truths.

Fenrir:
Relevance isn’t something decided by emotion, it’s earned by contribution — and right now, Nigeria needs every honest perspective it can get, whether it’s comfortable or not.

You talk about “Nigerian intelligence,” yet react to a simple discussion like it’s a personal insult. That’s not intelligence — that’s insecurity dressed as pride.

If you only want Nigerians to agree with you, you’re not having a discussion, you’re holding a mirror. And the irony? The world you reject opinions from is the same world Nigeria depends on for validation, technology, and investment.

So maybe the “irrelevant” foreign view isn’t the problem — maybe it’s the refusal to face uncomfortable truths.

Since it was in your mind you conjured up your half-baked truths, you should dismantle them in your own mind. However, Mr. Foreigner, I will give you a response - Nobody here is offended by your post. Nobody has insulted your post and it remains here unblemished for anyone to read. Nobody here has also shown to be looking for unanimous agreement. Your attitude is like a child who feels he must be welcome in every space. You know very well, the issue is you and not your post - you have been following me around on Nairaland after I reprimanded you for your bio and gave you my opinion on your presence in Nigeria. Now you are continually "surprised" why you are not met with the greatest warmth each time.

steadygo:
Since it was in your mind you conjured up your half-baked truths, you should dismantle them in your own mind. However, Mr. Foreigner, I will give you a response - Nobody here is offended by your post. Nobody has insulted your post and it remains here unblemished for anyone to read. Nobody here has also shown to be looking unanimous agreement. Your attitude is like a child who feels he must be welcome in every space. You know very well, the issue is you and not your post - you have been following me around on Nairaland after I reprimanded you for your bio and gave you my opinion on your presence in Nigeria. Now you are continually "surprised" why you are not meant with the greatest warmth each time.

Your message says far more about you than it does about me. You’ve constructed an entire story in your mind and now seem determined to defend it, no matter how detached it is from reality. That’s exactly why rational discussion with you quickly turns pointless.

And for the record, my bio is absolutely entitled to say what I want it to. I fought in Afghanistan for the rights of innocent women and children — for people who couldn’t speak freely in their own country. So you’ll have to excuse me if I’m not particularly moved when someone who’s never faced that kind of struggle tries to lecture me on what I can or cannot say.

If you feel compelled to attack someone simply because they’re from another country, that isn’t patriotism — it’s insecurity disguised as pride. No intelligent person uses nationality as a weapon in debate.

You can keep telling yourself I’m “following” you if it helps you feel important, but let’s be honest — you’re not nearly that interesting. I engage in open discussions, not personal vendettas.

I’ve met far more dangerous people in far worse places than this forum, so don’t flatter yourself — you’re quite safe. What you should really worry about is how small-mindedness looks when it’s laid bare for everyone to see.

Fenrir:
Your message says far more about you than it does about me. You’ve constructed an entire story in your mind and now seem determined to defend it, no matter how detached it is from reality. That’s exactly why rational discussion with you quickly turns pointless.

And for the record, my bio is absolutely entitled to say what I want it to. I fought in Afghanistan for the rights of innocent women and children — for people who couldn’t speak freely in their own country. So you’ll have to excuse me if I’m not particularly moved when someone who’s never faced that kind of struggle tries to lecture me on what I can or cannot say.

If you feel compelled to attack someone simply because they’re from another country, that isn’t patriotism — it’s insecurity disguised as pride. No intelligent person uses nationality as a weapon in debate.

You can keep telling yourself I’m “following” you if it helps you feel important, but let’s be honest — you’re not nearly that interesting. I engage in open discussions, not personal vendettas.

I’ve met far more dangerous people in far worse places than this forum, so don’t flatter yourself — you’re quite safe. What you should really worry about is how small-mindedness looks when it’s laid bare for everyone to see.

You are the only one who has given any sign that you are prone to delusions. It does not mean much to me that you served in Afghanistan. You do not me or my life experiences, nor do I feel the need to share them with you. You are not being attacked because you are "from another country", you are entitled to say whatever you want and I am entitled to reprimand. And indeed, I WILL reprimand it when a foreigner of this land settles here then goes on to call Yoruba men 'rapists who want to be worshipped'. If it displeases you, then Mr. Foreigner, my aim is NOT to please you! As for the matter of you following me, you have replied to almost all my topics. Even topics I made before my encounter with you, you have replied to them. And all your responses started coming in only after my encounter with you. I am not sure how you wish to claim it is coincidental, hence why I suggest you are prone to delusions.

I know I am safe, I cannot be scared merely because you follow me around on an Internet forum.

steadygo:
You are the only one who has given any sign that you are prone to delusions. It does not mean much to me that you served in Afghanistan. You do not me or my life experiences, nor do I feel the need to share them with you. You are not being attacked because you are "from another country", you are entitled to say whatever you want and I am entitled to reprimand. And indeed, I WILL reprimand it when a foreigner of this land settles here then goes on to call Yoruba men 'rapists who want to be worshipped'. If it displeases you, then Mr. Foreigner, my aim is NOT to please you! As for the matter of you following me, you have replied to almost all my topics. Even topics I made before my encounter with you, you have replied to them. And all your responses started coming in only after my encounter with you. I am not sure how you wish to claim it is coincidental, hence why I suggest you are prone to delusions.

I know I am safe, I cannot be scared merely because you follow me around on an Internet forum.

You’re overestimating your importance here. Yes, I started replying to your threads after your first accusation — deliberately. You made wild statements, and I decided to respond. It’s a public forum, not your private property. You don’t own any topic here, and you have no authority over who comments or where. If my presence annoys you, that’s your problem, not mine.

Now, let’s get something straight: I am not against Yoruba people. What I oppose is the distortion of Yoruba identity and history, and the arrogance that comes with shouting “tradition” every time someone dares to question hypocrisy. Not every old habit is sacred. Some things called “tradition” are just outdated behaviour being forced on others. Culture is meant to be lived, not weaponised.

And if discussing sexual violence upsets you, that says more about your priorities than mine. These are verifiable facts, not insults:

Lagos State: 24,009 sexual and gender-based violence cases were officially recorded between January 2019 and December 2023.

Lagos (Aug 2022 – July 2023): The DSVA handled 5,624 cases — 90 rapes, 72 sexual assaults, 235 defilements.

Lagos (Aug 2024 – July 2025): 8,692 new cases, including 243 defilements, 99 rapes, and 25 sexual assaults by penetration.

Oyo State: UNFPA data shows 17.1 % of women aged 15+ have suffered physical violence, 3.2 % sexual violence.

Ekiti State: The Moremi Clinic recorded 139 GBV cases in a single year — victims as young as 6 months and as old as 85 years.

Osun State: Ranked fourth nationally for SGBV prevalence. Among its cases: a 95-year-old woman raped, and a 65-year-old attacked while caring for her sick husband.

These are Yoruba communities — and these are the realities. Quoting facts is not “hate.” It’s awareness. Pretending these things don’t happen doesn’t make the community look stronger — it makes it look dishonest.

So, before you cry about being “followed,” remember this: disagreement is not harassment, and debate is not delusion. If my responses shake your comfort, maybe it’s because they hit too close to truth.

This is a public space. You talk, I respond. That’s how discussion works. If you can’t handle that, the problem isn’t me — it’s your ego.

Fenrir:
You’re overestimating your importance here. Yes, I started replying to your threads after your first accusation — deliberately. You made wild statements, and I decided to respond. It’s a public forum, not your private property. You don’t own any topic here, and you have no authority over who comments or where. If my presence annoys you, that’s your problem, not mine.

Now, let’s get something straight: I am not against Yoruba people. What I oppose is the distortion of Yoruba identity and history, and the arrogance that comes with shouting “tradition” every time someone dares to question hypocrisy. Not every old habit is sacred. Some things called “tradition” are just outdated behaviour being forced on others. Culture is meant to be lived, not weaponised.

And if discussing sexual violence upsets you, that says more about your priorities than mine. These are verifiable facts, not insults:

Lagos State: 24,009 sexual and gender-based violence cases were officially recorded between January 2019 and December 2023.

Lagos (Aug 2022 – July 2023): The DSVA handled 5,624 cases — 90 rapes, 72 sexual assaults, 235 defilements.

Lagos (Aug 2024 – July 2025): 8,692 new cases, including 243 defilements, 99 rapes, and 25 sexual assaults by penetration.

Oyo State: UNFPA data shows 17.1 % of women aged 15+ have suffered physical violence, 3.2 % sexual violence.

Ekiti State: The Moremi Clinic recorded 139 GBV cases in a single year — victims as young as 6 months and as old as 85 years.

Osun State: Ranked fourth nationally for SGBV prevalence. Among its cases: a 95-year-old woman raped, and a 65-year-old attacked while caring for her sick husband.

These are Yoruba communities — and these are the realities. Quoting facts is not “hate.” It’s awareness. Pretending these things don’t happen doesn’t make the community look stronger — it makes it look dishonest.

So, before you cry about being “followed,” remember this: disagreement is not harassment, and debate is not delusion. If my responses shake your comfort, maybe it’s because they hit too close to truth.

This is a public space. You talk, I respond. That’s how discussion works. If you can’t handle that, the problem isn’t me — it’s your ego.

Listen, I have clearly said I am not scared of you following me. Yet you say I want to control what you reply to and that I find disagreement as harassment, lol. You take one inch of something and fabricate the rest of it to project the image you like. Let me clarify, I do not care much about what you respond to or where you choose to be active on Nairaland. Indeed, I care of yours less than others. However, just as you have a right to post in a public space, I also have a right to disapprove of your posts in the public space. What you choose to do with my disapproval, is your business.

I really do not care for your rationale behind why you wrote what you did about the Yorubas. There are over 40 million Yoruba people. It is very telling when you as a foreigner comes here, sees problems within a subset of the community and takes it as an opportunity to represent the whole group. Indeed, you put it proudly on your bio. Let me ask you this, do you think a Yoruba man who is not among those sexual offenders will make that same comment you did about Yoruba people? The only person who can take the wrong actions of a small subset of a group, and apply it to the entirety of the group, is someone who he himself is not a member of that group and thereby does not feel such a comment can apply to him. Therefore, I call you Mr. Foreigner as freely as you write what you do about Yorubas in your bio. If that shakes your comfort, maybe it's because it hits close to the truth.

steadygo:
Listen, I have clearly said I am not scared of you following me. Yet you say I want to control what you reply to and that I find disagreement as harassment, lol. You take one inch of something and fabricate the rest of it to project the image you like. Let me clarify, I do not care much about what you respond to or where you choose to be active on Nairaland. Indeed, I care of yours less than others. However, just as you have a right to post in a public space, I also have a right to disapprove of your posts in the public space. What you choose to do with my disapproval, is your business.

I really do not care for your rationale behind why you wrote what you did about the Yorubas. There are over 40 million Yoruba people. It is very telling when you as a foreigner comes here, sees problems within a subset of the community and takes it as an opportunity to represent the whole group. Indeed, you put it proudly on your bio. Let me ask you this, do you think a Yoruba man who is not among those sexual offenders will make that same comment you did about Yoruba people? The only person who can take the wrong actions of a small subset of a group, and apply it to the entirety of the group, is someone who he himself is not a member of that group and thereby does not feel such a comment can apply to him. Therefore, I call you Mr. Foreigner as freely as you write what you do about Yorubas in your bio. If that shakes your comfort, maybe it's because it hits close to the truth.

Let’s be clear: I’m talking about the male half of the Yoruba community — the ones committing or defending sexual violence. Yoruba women and children aren’t raping or beating themselves. The violence comes from men, and pretending otherwise is cowardice.

Pointing this out isn’t hate; it’s accountability. The data from Lagos DSVA and UNFPA show thousands of women and children assaulted every year in Yoruba states, mostly by men. That’s not propaganda — that’s evidence.

Until Yoruba men start calling out other men instead of hiding behind “culture,” nothing will change. Silence isn’t dignity; it’s complicity.

You dont even care about your own people. You only care about the male half.

Fenrir:
Let’s be clear: I’m talking about the male half of the Yoruba community — the ones committing or defending sexual violence. Yoruba women and children aren’t raping or beating themselves. The violence comes from men, and pretending otherwise is cowardice.

Pointing this out isn’t hate; it’s accountability. The data from Lagos DSVA and UNFPA show thousands of women and children assaulted every year in Yoruba states, mostly by men. That’s not propaganda — that’s evidence.

Until Yoruba men start calling out other men instead of hiding behind “culture,” nothing will change. Silence isn’t dignity; it’s complicity.

You dont even care about your own people. You only care about the male half.

Go back and read my post, you are splitting hairs. My point is that most Yoruba men are NOT rapists. To speak as if they all are, and label it on your bio is wrong. And it goes back to my last point in my previous post, go and read it and take your time with it.

On the contrary, I care about all my people. That is why I cannot label the entirety of Yoruba men as rapists when many of them are innocent and are the personal supporters of their female counterparts who are victims of these sexual assaults.

steadygo:
Go back and read my post, you are splitting hairs. My point is that most Yoruba men are NOT rapists. To speak as if they all are, and label it on your bio is wrong. And it goes back to my last point in my previous post, go and read it and take your time with it.

On the contrary, I care about all my people. That is why I cannot label the entirety of Yoruba men as rapists when many of them are innocent and are the personal supporters of their female counterparts who are victims of these sexual assaults.

Let’s be honest — sexual violence in Nigeria, shows most Yoruba men are the perpetrators and in Yoruba-majority areas like Lagos, Oyo, and Ogun, it is a serious crisis. Studies show that large numbers of women have experienced sexual assault at least once in their lifetime, and experts say most cases never even get reported. When you account for both reported and unreported incidents, the real scale is staggering.

That’s why it’s frustrating when people treat this as a rare problem or get defensive instead of acknowledging how deep the issue runs. You can’t solve it if you keep pretending it’s isolated or exaggerated.

At the same time, it’s perfectly fair and accurate to blame this entire ethnic group of men for a societal problem. The real issue is the culture of silence, weak enforcement, and lack of accountability that allows abuse to continue. Facing the data and calling for change is not an attack on Yoruba men its just the truth — it’s a demand for justice for victims and for a healthier community overall.

Fenrir:
Let’s be honest — sexual violence in Nigeria, shows most Yoruba men are the perpetrators and in Yoruba-majority areas like Lagos, Oyo, and Ogun, it is a serious crisis. Studies show that large numbers of women have experienced sexual assault at least once in their lifetime, and experts say most cases never even get reported. When you account for both reported and unreported incidents, the real scale is staggering.

That’s why it’s frustrating when people treat this as a rare problem or get defensive instead of acknowledging how deep the issue runs. You can’t solve it if you keep pretending it’s isolated or exaggerated.

At the same time, it’s perfectly fair and accurate to blame this entire ethnic group of men for a societal problem. The real issue is the culture of silence, weak enforcement, and lack of accountability that allows abuse to continue. Facing the data and calling for change is not an attack on Yoruba men its just the truth — it’s a demand for justice for victims and for a healthier community overall.

I am not interested in having this discussion with you any further as your objective seems to be to debate and not learn. I also will not waste much more energy on an entitled foreigner so for the last time, I will clarify: Most Yoruba men are NOT rapists! The Yoruba men who commit acts of sexual assault do not make up the majority of Yoruba men therefore it is wrong to call most Yoruba men rapists or all Yoruba men, I do not know what is so hard to understand about this. No one here has said the problem of sexual assault is rare. On the contrary, it is a very serious problem but that does not amount to that a majority of Yoruba men make up the offenders. Your data does not come near to proving most Yoruba men are sexual offenders, and it is absurd you will think such. Even if you consider the full extent of cases which are not reported, it does not begin to come near to most Yoruba men being sexual offenders. And it is absurd you will think such. It also comes across as though you do not understand that case counts is not the same as perpetrator count — single perpetrators can account for multiple cases.
There are over 12 million adult Yoruba males. Show me what data claims that over 6 million of them are rapists, or retract.

Sexual violence is a global problem across societies world wide, it is not Yoruba culture. Specific behaviors and attitudes enable rape but that does not define Yoruba culture. Indeed, there are Yoruba men who may even go as far as to kill someone if they sexually abuse his daughter. You are like a white person in the US claiming every black man he passes is in a gang then defends himself when confronted by saying "yes, there is a gang problem in the black community.". I ask you again — if you were a Yoruba man, will you so boldly go out and proclaim that all Yoruba men are rapists when you yourself are not one and you see so many others who are not? Your language does not speak to your concern, it speaks to your indifference as a foreigner. We do not need foreigners who feel they are our helpers but only take us 2 steps forward, 10 steps backwards.

steadygo:
Good morning, Nairalanders.

Nigeria was ranked a 67.8 average IQ score in 2019 and 91.3 in 2024, lower than the standard average of 100. What are your thoughts on IQ and the methodology used in these studies? Do you think a lower IQ is, in some part, responsible for the state of our country?

Steadygo,

Before anything else, you will address me with the same humility and respect you demand from others. My name is Sven, or my username Fenrir, not foreigner, not intruder, and certainly not whatever belittling label you invent to protect your ego. If you refuse, I will continue speaking about you with the same contempt you exhibit, the contempt of a man who mistakes arrogance for identity and nationalism for intelligence.

Now let us proceed.

THE SURGICAL BREAKDOWN OF YOUR ENTIRE POSITION

You keep mistaking national pride for national competence. That is why every rational point feels like a personal assault, because your ego is doing the listening, not your intellect.

1. The IQ Ranking Issue

You wave IQ charts around as though they are divine scripture yet you have not interrogated how they are created.

An IQ score reflects

Quality of education
Nutrition and child development
Language familiarity with the test
Socioeconomic stability

It does not measure the intelligence of a tribe.

Norway scores high not because Norwegians are physically born more intelligent, but because the environment is engineered to allow intelligence to develop. You are trying to measure a seed by judging a field made of concrete.

That is not science. That is insecurity.

2. Nigeria’s Brain Drain

Nigeria exports intelligence in the same way it exports oil. Other nations refine it.

Nigerians leave because

Their brilliance is suffocated by tribal loyalty
Merit is secondary to ego
Innovation is treated like rebellion
Criticism is seen as insult rather than improvement

You are hemorrhaging your best minds because the average Nigerian must escape their country to be valued by it.

A nation that chases its brightest out cannot complain about rankings.

3. The Tribal Identity Problem

You, specifically, are the perfect case study.

You claim humility as a Yoruba virtue, yet your behavior is the opposite of humility. Yoruba culture once prized dignity and composure. Today, many weaponize it as a shield for arrogance.

If prostration were still genuinely cultural, it would be accompanied by responsibility, restraint, and honor. Instead, it has become ego maintenance, a ritual without substance

A performance of respect rather than the practice of it.

Tradition is not sacred merely because it is old. Most Yoruba traditions once celebrated communal accountability, yet you abandon those while clinging only to the ones that validate your ego.

That is not culture.
That is cosplay.

4. Emotional Nationalism

Your nationalism is not patriotism. It is fear of inadequacy dressed as pride.

The moment an uncomfortable truth emerges, you respond like a scorched child

Who are you to speak
You are a foreigner
You hate Yoruba
You are disrespecting Nigeria

None of these are arguments. They are emotional tantrums masquerading as cultural defense.

If geography determines truth, then physics collapses at borders.

5. The Personal Attacks

Your obsession with my origin proves the exact point you deny.

Your arguments are not logical, they are tribal. You cannot separate critique from identity because criticism feels like disinheritance.

You do not defend Nigeria.
You defend your ego inside Nigeria.

That is why discourse with you feels like babysitting insecurity.

6. The Yoruba Contradiction

You claim Yoruba are respectful and humble, yet your behavior disproves your claim.

Respect is not

Screaming hierarchy
Demanding obedience
Silencing dissent
Insulting critics

Respect is earned by dignity, restraint, and accountability.

If Yoruba men practiced what Yoruba rhetoric preaches, Lagos would not lead the country in gender based violence statistics, and accountability would not be interpreted as tribal blasphemy.

Your reaction reveals the truth

You want reverence, not dialogue.

7. The Religion Problem The Core of the Decline

Here is the final, fatal blow.

Nigeria is one of the few countries that forces religion into state education. Children are not just taught, they are conditioned

Forced prayers
Mandatory worship
Religious doctrine in academic spaces

This creates citizens who obey before they question.

The highest performing nations on Earth share one trait

Religion is private. Education is secular.

Norway. Japan. South Korea. Singapore. Germany. Finland.

These nations do not pray in classrooms. They think in classrooms.

Nigeria does the opposite

It replaces curiosity with obedience, inquiry with recitation, and innovation with superstition. You kneel where other nations investigate. You worship where others experiment. You accept where others adapt.

As I said already

When faith leads where knowledge should rule, the nation kneels before its own potential.

Your system teaches submission, not cognition.
It produces believers, not builders.

And then you wonder why engineers leave.

Religion is not the problem.
Its placement is.

THE CONCLUSION YOU CANNOT ESCAPE

Nigeria is not failing because Nigerians lack intelligence.

Nigeria is failing because

Emotion is valued over logic
Tribal pride replaces national cohesion
Religion permeates state institutions
Criticism is treated as hostility
Tradition is confused with ego
Intelligence must flee to be recognized

You asked for truth. I delivered it.

Your response now will reveal who you are

If you can engage the argument, you are intelligent.
If you attack the messenger, you are exposed.

And this time, I will not let you pretend you do not understand the difference.

Choose wisely.

Fenrir:
Steadygo,

Before anything else, you will address me with the same humility and respect you demand from others. My name is Sven, or my username Fenrir, not foreigner, not intruder, and certainly not whatever belittling label you invent to protect your ego. If you refuse, I will continue speaking about you with the same contempt you exhibit, the contempt of a man who mistakes arrogance for identity and nationalism for intelligence.

Now let us proceed.

THE SURGICAL BREAKDOWN OF YOUR ENTIRE POSITION

You keep mistaking national pride for national competence. That is why every rational point feels like a personal assault, because your ego is doing the listening, not your intellect.

1. The IQ Ranking Issue

You wave IQ charts around as though they are divine scripture yet you have not interrogated how they are created.

An IQ score reflects

Quality of education
Nutrition and child development
Language familiarity with the test
Socioeconomic stability

It does not measure the intelligence of a tribe.

Norway scores high not because Norwegians are physically born more intelligent, but because the environment is engineered to allow intelligence to develop. You are trying to measure a seed by judging a field made of concrete.

That is not science. That is insecurity.

2. Nigeria’s Brain Drain

Nigeria exports intelligence in the same way it exports oil. Other nations refine it.

Nigerians leave because

Their brilliance is suffocated by tribal loyalty
Merit is secondary to ego
Innovation is treated like rebellion
Criticism is seen as insult rather than improvement

You are hemorrhaging your best minds because the average Nigerian must escape their country to be valued by it.

A nation that chases its brightest out cannot complain about rankings.

3. The Tribal Identity Problem

You, specifically, are the perfect case study.

You claim humility as a Yoruba virtue, yet your behavior is the opposite of humility. Yoruba culture once prized dignity and composure. Today, many weaponize it as a shield for arrogance.

If prostration were still genuinely cultural, it would be accompanied by responsibility, restraint, and honor. Instead, it has become ego maintenance, a ritual without substance

A performance of respect rather than the practice of it.

Tradition is not sacred merely because it is old. Most Yoruba traditions once celebrated communal accountability, yet you abandon those while clinging only to the ones that validate your ego.

That is not culture.
That is cosplay.

4. Emotional Nationalism

Your nationalism is not patriotism. It is fear of inadequacy dressed as pride.

The moment an uncomfortable truth emerges, you respond like a scorched child

Who are you to speak
You are a foreigner
You hate Yoruba
You are disrespecting Nigeria

None of these are arguments. They are emotional tantrums masquerading as cultural defense.

If geography determines truth, then physics collapses at borders.

5. The Personal Attacks

Your obsession with my origin proves the exact point you deny.

Your arguments are not logical, they are tribal. You cannot separate critique from identity because criticism feels like disinheritance.

You do not defend Nigeria.
You defend your ego inside Nigeria.

That is why discourse with you feels like babysitting insecurity.

6. The Yoruba Contradiction

You claim Yoruba are respectful and humble, yet your behavior disproves your claim.

Respect is not

Screaming hierarchy
Demanding obedience
Silencing dissent
Insulting critics

Respect is earned by dignity, restraint, and accountability.

If Yoruba men practiced what Yoruba rhetoric preaches, Lagos would not lead the country in gender based violence statistics, and accountability would not be interpreted as tribal blasphemy.

Your reaction reveals the truth

You want reverence, not dialogue.

7. The Religion Problem The Core of the Decline

Here is the final, fatal blow.

Nigeria is one of the few countries that forces religion into state education. Children are not just taught, they are conditioned

Forced prayers
Mandatory worship
Religious doctrine in academic spaces

This creates citizens who obey before they question.

The highest performing nations on Earth share one trait

Religion is private. Education is secular.

Norway. Japan. South Korea. Singapore. Germany. Finland.

These nations do not pray in classrooms. They think in classrooms.

Nigeria does the opposite

It replaces curiosity with obedience, inquiry with recitation, and innovation with superstition. You kneel where other nations investigate. You worship where others experiment. You accept where others adapt.

As I said already

When faith leads where knowledge should rule, the nation kneels before its own potential.

Your system teaches submission, not cognition.
It produces believers, not builders.

And then you wonder why engineers leave.

Religion is not the problem.
Its placement is.

THE CONCLUSION YOU CANNOT ESCAPE

Nigeria is not failing because Nigerians lack intelligence.

Nigeria is failing because

Emotion is valued over logic
Tribal pride replaces national cohesion
Religion permeates state institutions
Criticism is treated as hostility
Tradition is confused with ego
Intelligence must flee to be recognized

You asked for truth. I delivered it.

Your response now will reveal who you are

If you can engage the argument, you are intelligent.
If you attack the messenger, you are exposed.

And this time, I will not let you pretend you do not understand the difference.

Choose wisely.

You are back. I don't know why you always respond to me with things unrelated to what I post. Are you an internet troll?

Look at the caliber of our leaders that says all, imagine Buhari a man who won’t qualify to be a janitor in my apartment complex propelled far above his abilities just like Tinubu a street thug who delights in sniffing hallucinatory substances is the president of Nigeria , what a shame

steadygo:
Good morning, Nairalanders.

Nigeria was ranked a 67.8 average IQ score in 2019 and 91.3 in 2024, lower than the standard average of 100. What are your thoughts on IQ and the methodology used in these studies? Do you think a lower IQ is, in some part, responsible for the state of our country?

I am genuinely surprised it is that high considering the amount of Obidients in the country that would have caused the average to drop.

We read their illogical BS daily on this same portal and see the likes they get and can only shake our heads.

FarahAideed:
It shows in everything we do in the country , the way we have disregard for rules , the way we are dishonest , the way we are self centered, the fact that Tinubu is even president is a function of low IQ....Talk with the average Nigerians and just know their IQ can't be more than 65

Nigeria IQ was rated lower during Buhari regime compared to when Tinubu becomes president, if he win second time the IQ rating will hit 100 the standard mark for iq rating.

People who believe Buhari was cloned and replaced by Jibrin can be said to have high IQ.
People who pride in developing other rein but can't replicate same in their region are examples of low IQ.
People who treat bandit, terrorist and BH are people with low IQ.
At a time when Nigeria is helpless regarding insecurity and world power chooses to crush the demon, all those who are against such move are lacking critical aspect of their IQ level.

steadygo:
You are back. I don't know why you always respond to me with things unrelated to what I post. Are you an internet troll?

Steadygo,

You have now proven exactly what I predicted. When presented with a structured argument, a clear challenge, and a choice between reflection and reaction, you selected the only path your ego understands:

You ignored the content and attacked the messenger.

Your question “Are you a troll?” reveals far more about you than you intended. Let me clarify something, since mythology seems to be the only language you partially grasp.

In Norse tradition, a troll is not merely a nuisance. A troll is a creature that hides under bridges and attacks those who cross from ignorance into knowledge. It fears sunlight because truth turns it to stone. A troll cannot debate, cannot evolve, and cannot stand in the open. It only snarls from the shadows because reality would destroy it.

Look carefully at your response and tell me which of us behaves like that.

I gave you a choice

Engage the argument or expose yourself.

You chose exposure.

You did not refute a single point. Not the IQ premise. Not the brain drain. Not the tribal fragmentation. Not the religious indoctrination. Not the contradiction between Yoruba rhetoric and Yoruba behavior. You simply recoiled, hissed, and retreated into accusations.

This is not intelligence.
This is avoidance dressed as pride.

You ask if I am a troll because you cannot imagine a mind that confronts lies without kneeling to them. It is easier for you to believe that anyone who challenges your illusions must be some supernatural irritant disrupting your comfort zone.

A person who mistakes interrogation for hostility cannot grow.
A nation full of such minds cannot progress.

Understand this clearly

A troll in mythology appears when a hero attempts to cross a boundary into a better world. The troll screams, threatens, throws stones, anything to stop the crossing, because once the hero reaches the other side, the troll becomes irrelevant.

You are that troll now

Guarding the bridge to Nigeria’s potential
Screeching instead of thinking
Fearing truth like sunlight

And the worst part is that you genuinely believe the noise you make is argument.

I do not need to insult you.
Your reaction did it for me.

Next time, prove your words have spine. Address the argument or step aside. The bridge cannot be guarded forever by a creature afraid of daylight.

Your move.

Fenrir:
Steadygo,

You have now proven exactly what I predicted. When presented with a structured argument, a clear challenge, and a choice between reflection and reaction, you selected the only path your ego understands:

You ignored the content and attacked the messenger.

Your question “Are you a troll?” reveals far more about you than you intended. Let me clarify something, since mythology seems to be the only language you partially grasp.

In Norse tradition, a troll is not merely a nuisance. A troll is a creature that hides under bridges and attacks those who cross from ignorance into knowledge. It fears sunlight because truth turns it to stone. A troll cannot debate, cannot evolve, and cannot stand in the open. It only snarls from the shadows because reality would destroy it.

Look carefully at your response and tell me which of us behaves like that.

I gave you a choice

Engage the argument or expose yourself.

You chose exposure.

You did not refute a single point. Not the IQ premise. Not the brain drain. Not the tribal fragmentation. Not the religious indoctrination. Not the contradiction between Yoruba rhetoric and Yoruba behavior. You simply recoiled, hissed, and retreated into accusations.

This is not intelligence.
This is avoidance dressed as pride.

You ask if I am a troll because you cannot imagine a mind that confronts lies without kneeling to them. It is easier for you to believe that anyone who challenges your illusions must be some supernatural irritant disrupting your comfort zone.

A person who mistakes interrogation for hostility cannot grow.
A nation full of such minds cannot progress.

Understand this clearly

A troll in mythology appears when a hero attempts to cross a boundary into a better world. The troll screams, threatens, throws stones, anything to stop the crossing, because once the hero reaches the other side, the troll becomes irrelevant.

You are that troll now

Guarding the bridge to Nigeria’s potential
Screeching instead of thinking
Fearing truth like sunlight

And the worst part is that you genuinely believe the noise you make is argument.

I do not need to insult you.
Your reaction did it for me.

Next time, prove your words have spine. Address the argument or step aside. The bridge cannot be guarded forever by a creature afraid of daylight.

Your move.

Your previous post on IQ contained points which you had brought up before in an earlier post and I had addressed. I do not need to keep restating and clarifying just because you bring up the same thing again, especially when it was not relevant to the point of my original post the first time around. I also do not have to take the time to go through all your many insults and accusations against me, and prove to you how they are unfounded. Nor do I have the time to dabble in insults with you. I absolutely have more important things to do.

steadygo:
Your previous post on IQ contained points which you had brought up before in an earlier post and I had addressed. I do not need to keep restating and clarifying just because you bring up the same thing again, especially when it was not relevant to the point of my original post the first time around. I also do not have to take the time to go through all your many insults and accusations against me, and prove to you how they are unfounded. Nor do I have the time to dabble in insults with you. I absolutely have more important things to do.

Steadygo,

You swing at shadows and congratulate yourself for defeating them.

You claim you have already addressed my points, yet your words carry no trace of battle. No refutation. No counterproof. No wounds delivered. If a man swings a sword, the steel must leave a mark. You left none.

You speak of “more important things to do,” yet the only thing you have consistently avoided is the truth. It is not time you lack, but bravery. The battlefield of ideas requires spine, not schedules.

I laid out the fracture lines of Nigeria:

A nation held together by borders rather than belief
Tribes that share land but not loyalty
Religion in classrooms where inquiry should rule
A people who defend identity more fiercely than progress

These are not insults. They are pillars of the question you asked. You invited the storm, then hid behind the door when the thunder arrived.

You say you will not engage in insults. I never asked for insults. I asked for answers. You delivered none.

A warrior may fall, but he faces the sword. You turned your back and called it wisdom.

Your silence is not victory. It is the sound a shield makes when it is dropped on the ground.

If you can stand, stand. If you cannot, at least have the honesty to say so. The bridge remains before you. The truth does not move.

steadygo:
Your previous post on IQ contained points which you had brought up before in an earlier post and I had addressed. I do not need to keep restating and clarifying just because you bring up the same thing again, especially when it was not relevant to the point of my original post the first time around. I also do not have to take the time to go through all your many insults and accusations against me, and prove to you how they are unfounded. Nor do I have the time to dabble in insults with you. I absolutely have more important things to do.

No, you didn't so lets go through all your posts and replies on this 1 by 1 to prove it

steadygo:
Your previous post on IQ contained points which you had brought up before in an earlier post and I had addressed. I do not need to keep restating and clarifying just because you bring up the same thing again, especially when it was not relevant to the point of my original post the first time around. I also do not have to take the time to go through all your many insults and accusations against me, and prove to you how they are unfounded. Nor do I have the time to dabble in insults with you. I absolutely have more important things to do.

Steadygo,

Let’s go line by line, because it’s clear from your posts that you are out of your depth and reacting emotionally, not intellectually, to the question you yourself raised.

1. Your first reply:

"What's all this? Did you not see that I asked for posters thought on the methodology, why do you say I do not then ask why the measure falls? We do not need you to fix our country. You are not qualified to be our savior."

You dodge entirely. I addressed methodology, environmental factors, education, nutrition, and cultural exposure. You ignore all of it, and instead attack my presence and qualifications. Emotion over argument.

2. Your second reply:

"Mr. Foreigner it is a thought question intended for fellow Nigerians. I do not believe Nigerians really have low IQ, indeed I believe we are of the smartest people in the world. But thanks for your contribution, nonetheless."

You twist my words. I said Nigerians are among the most intelligent, not “the most intelligent.” Then you repeat the “foreigner” label to dismiss me instead of addressing the evidence.

3. Your third reply:

"Indeed, they are the most intelligent. You are Mr. Foreigner to me."

More misrepresentation. And again, a personal jab instead of engaging the systemic explanation for IQ variation.

4. Your fourth reply:

"I don't have time for your half-baked truths. A non-Nigerian perspective does not make me feel uncomfortable, it is simply not relevant to me in this scenario."

Still no engagement with methodology, environment, or brain drain. Emotional dismissal, not logic.

5. Your fifth reply:

"Since it was in your mind you conjured up your half-baked truths, you should dismantle them in your own mind. However, Mr. Foreigner, I will give you a response..."

You project problems onto me, and still avoid any meaningful discussion. Nothing about IQ measurement flaws, nothing about the structural issues causing the rankings.

6. Later replies about Yoruba men and sexual violence

Here you introduce a completely unrelated topic, attacking the male half of Yoruba communities. While your indignation is obvious, the truth is this: calling out only the offenders while leaving the good men inactive perpetuates the cycle. Inaction is complicity. The same problem exists on a systemic level for intelligence, education, and national progress.

When a society allows dysfunction to continue unchallenged, it lowers the effective potential of the population, because those who could intervene or innovate accept the status quo instead. This is part of why environmental factors, culture, and collective action matter so much in IQ outcomes. Accepting wrongdoing or inefficiency without challenge is analogous to leaving a cognitive tool unused the mind does not develop, the system stagnates, and potential is wasted.

7. Finally:

"Your previous post on IQ contained points which you had brought up before in an earlier post and I had addressed. I do not need to keep restating and clarifying just because it was not relevant to the point of my original post the first time around. I absolutely have more important things to do."

You claim to have addressed points you never addressed. You never analyzed methodology, never discussed how environment affects IQ, never acknowledged brain drain or education quality. You simply dismissed every argument emotionally.


You did not answer a single core point of your own question.

You twisted words “among the most intelligent” “the most intelligent”.

You attacked the messenger, not the message.

Your posts reveal ego, defensiveness, and tribal projection, not reasoning.

Inaction both personal and collective is a recurring issue. Your failure to recognize that “good Yoruba men” contribute to the continuation of social dysfunction mirrors how your emotional avoidance perpetuates ignorance rather than solving the IQ/environment issue.

Steadygo, this is not intelligence. This is emotional reflex masquerading as debate. Your inability to engage any part of the crisis you yourself raised shows exactly how little you understand the structural and systemic issues affecting Nigeria.

If you want to discuss IQ, methodology, or solutions, leave the insults behind and answer the question you posted. Otherwise, stop pretending this is a debate.

steadygo:
Good morning, Nairalanders.

Nigeria was ranked a 67.8 average IQ score in 2019 and 91.3 in 2024, lower than the standard average of 100. What are your thoughts on IQ and the methodology used in these studies? Do you think a lower IQ is, in some part, responsible for the state of our country?

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