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when MIGHTY Power is involved, USA suddenly goes limp

bassdow:
when MIGHTY Power is involved, USA suddenly goes limp

yea they become Docile

omoredia:
Meaning? If he has the diplomatic pedigree to seal a deal then it dont matter

He doesn't.

Juanmike:
After this Trump will set sights on Greenland and annex it.
Green land is the 51 State.
Trump is the greatest US president since Washington.

He can't even dream of it.

TenQ:
Tell me: If Ukraine did not stand up to Russia, would they still have lost the four Oblasts to Russia?

yes they would have and 1-2m people would not have died 🥱

😂😂😂

Ukraine and the entire Europe have been thrown under the bus!


" It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal. "

-Henry Kissinger (Former U.S. National Security Advisor and Secretary of State)

Smartguyboy:
Propaganda and western media lies don’t win war.

Even with all the sanctions they still lose .

that picture is inaccurate
you forgot to add north korea, China, Iran, belarus and some how India on Russia's side

Ukraine has allowed Europe to draw it into a needless war now they will certainly lose territory and also be denied NATO membership as it is.
Never allow yourself to be used for a proxy war. Sleepy Joe has retired to his bed while Ukrainians are still dying in their thousands.

anonimi:
Is Jared Kushner not Trump's son-in-law

He is.

Jagabanarmy:
You are absolutely wrong and very biased. Russia. Started this senseless war and no Ukrainian land will be given to them. For three years now, they can't defeat Ukraine

You don't know a thing about international politics.

themanderon:
Ukraine has allowed Europe to draw it into a needless war now they will certainly lose territory and also be denied NATO membership as it is.
Never allow yourself to be used for a proxy war. Sleepy Joe has retired to his bed while Ukrainians are still dying in their thousands.

Europe also allowed the US to drag them into a war they will end up losing out.

Now, Trump is forcing both to accept Russian terms or they are on their own. How else will one describe backstabbing.

RemoveKebab:
that picture is inaccurate
you forgot to add north korea, China, Iran, belarus and some how India on Russia's side

Not true but even if it true
Check the numbers and the billions spent in Ukraine 🇺🇦

China and India was only buying Russia cheap gas even Europe is still buying Russia gas while USA is still buying Russia fertilizers, palladium, and enriched uranium.
They only sanction Russia oil and coal.

USA and Europe are paying with Russia currency that why they are doing well more than many European countries.

TenQ:
Tell me: If Ukraine did not stand up to Russia, would they still have lost the four Oblasts to Russia?

no one play international politics by emotions but by interest. Minsk 1 was better deal, Russia only wanted autonomy for the Donbass, Minsk 2 was good deal but Ukraine stalled partly because of its EU backers. Now this deal, if they don't accept it the next one will be worse. I understand you are still in pains as the mouth piece of Ukraine on Nairaland but reality has started setting into your head gradually. The only loser here now is Ukraine, next time they will not allow the war mongers in Brussels and Washington to use them in a proxy war against a superpower neighbour.

Quelme:
no one play international politics by emotions but by interest. Minsk 1 was better deal, Russia only wanted autonomy for the Donbass, Minsk 2 was good deal but Ukraine stalled partly because of its EU backers. Now this deal, if they don't accept it the next one will be worse. I understand you are still in pains as the mouth piece of Ukraine on Nairaland but reality has started setting into your head gradually. The only loser here now is Ukraine, next time they will not allow the war mongers in Brussels and Washington to use them in a proxy war against a superpower neighbour.

I didn't ask for stories. I said:
Tell me: If Ukraine did not stand up to Russia, would they still have RETAINED the four Oblasts or still LOSE them to Russia?

Its a YES or NO question sir.


Apparently, the only thing that has happened is that lots of Father killed and occupied regions razed and bombed to the ground.

ednut1:
yes they would have and 1-2m people would not have died 🥱

I am sure you know that a large proportion of the 1-2m people are Russian.
AND
Russia will think 1000 times before they invade a supposed small helpless country like Ukraine.


Tell me, is there any assurance that after taking the five oblasts, Russia will not ask for more of Ukrainian lands?
We all thought that after Cremia, Russia will not ask for more lands but we were all proved wrong!

Smartguyboy:
Not true but even if it true
Check the numbers and the billions spent in Ukraine 🇺🇦

China and India was only buying Russia cheap gas even Europe is still buying Russia gas while USA is still buying Russia fertilizers, palladium, and enriched uranium.
They only sanction Russia oil and coal.

USA and Europe are paying with Russia currency that why they are doing well more than many European countries.

India buying more oil than ever from Russia is indirectly supporting its war efforts massively

China is supplying Russia with more micro chips for drones productions which has been a dominant tool in the war.

Europe is even holding back in its full support for Ukraine because of fear of Russia turning off its gas but that can't happen because Russia also needs Europe's money

The war is just complex and a waste which could have been avoided.

:
The guy is actually right. Kushner is Trumos son inlaw

omoredia:
Uuall
U think sey this one na emi lo kan matter?

ednut1:
Ukraine allowed the west to push them into this. Now they have lost over 35% of their territories and citizens. Nawa o

Don't mind that comedian president, I wonder how they made him president in the first place.

trutharena:
Trump really has that diplomatic swagger.

You're joking right?

Mirasteel:
Don't mind that comedian president, I wonder how they made him president in the first place.

Thank God the Chief Comedian of Agulu, Agbotikuyo of SE Region, funnier than Sabinus was not elected here as president. We for hear am.

Smartguyboy:
Propaganda and western media lies don’t win war.

Even with all the sanctions they still lose .

They couldn't fall Russia even with all the sanctions.


Russia will always be Russia. God bless Vladimir Putin. 🇷🇺

RemoveKebab:
India buying more oil than ever from Russia is indirectly supporting its war efforts massively

China is supplying Russia with more micro chips for drones productions which has been a dominant tool in the war.

Europe is even holding back in its full support for Ukraine because of fear of Russia turning off its gas but that can't happen because Russia also needs Europe's money

The war is just complex and a waste which could have been avoided.

Big lie because Europe have given all they can to Ukraine they are even broke the only way to rise money now is to steal Russia frozen assets

Even with all USA help and intelligence they are still losing and trump know Ukraine will never win that why he stop sending free weapons and money . If they need weapons they should paid for it .

Omo Russia na real big name abeg.

ednut1:
Ukraine allowed the west to push them into this. Now they have lost over 35% of their territories and citizens. Nawa o

I’m deeply curious to know how Ukraine started this war? Did it join NATO? EU? Did it revenge for annexation of Crimea and Donetsk?
The occupied regions in Georgia was it because of the west?

Have you spoken to Ukrainians to find out if they want to be a vassal state of Russia and Zelenskyy is in the way?

Russia’s excuse for the war was denazification and killing of Russian ethnic tribes, what did the west do? Kindly explain.

I hope the war finish quick so that African can get visa to enter Europe for rebuilding

Smartguyboy:
Big lie because Europe have given all they can to Ukraine they are even broke the only way to rise money now is to steal Russia frozen assets

Even with all USA help and intelligence they are still losing and trump know Ukraine will never win that why he stop sending free weapons and money . If they need weapons they should paid for it .

"Ukraine is not going to win"

But Russia is in much bigger trouble than the territory he from stole Ukraine

Their economy is going to implode post war
The results will be it Either falls lower to become a vassal of China which is already happening with Putin s reliance on China for the war efforts

Or an economic collapse leading to a civil war like that of Russian empire period.
Progizin's Wagner rebellion event was a template

Shifting from war economy to peace time economy is very hard than you think and Russia isn't a country that as the capacity to escape it. It even worse because it's an energy export dependent economy.

What the world should worry about is which rebel groups will control the nukes.

Baxilexi:
I’m deeply curious to know how Ukraine started this war? Did it join NATO? EU? Did it revenge for annexation of Crimea and Donetsk?
The occupied regions in Georgia was it because of the west?

Have you spoken to Ukrainians to find out if they want to be a vassal state of Russia and Zelenskyy is in the way?

Russia’s excuse for the war was denazification and killing of Russian ethnic tribes, what did the west do? Kindly explain.

the west provided money and weapons to Ukraine knowing they have no chance of winning . Winter is coming and USA is about to bypass EU and gift Russia the occupied Ukrainian lands 🥱

RemoveKebab:
"Ukraine is not going to win"

But Russia is in much bigger trouble than the territory he from stole Ukraine

Their economy is going to implode post war
The results will be it Either falls lower to become a vassal of China which is already happening with Putin s reliance on China for the war efforts

Or an economic collapse leading to a civil war like that of Russian empire period.
Progizin's Wagner rebellion event was a template

Shifting from war economy to peace time economy is very hard than you think and Russia isn't a country that as the capacity to escape it. It even worse because it's an energy export dependent economy.

What the world should worry about is which rebel groups will control the nukes.

Too much of watching western propaganda movies where they are always the hero while Russia and China will fall.

You forgot Russia and USA are also discussing economical partnership once the war stop and Russia have been offer to join the G8 back to stop the war.
Once the war stop everything will go back to normal

Russo did not collapse after the first and Second World War is this one that will break them
😝

Smartguyboy:
Too much of watching western propaganda movies where they are always the hero while Russia and China will fall.

You forgot Russia and USA are also discussing economical partnership once the war stop and Russia have been offer to join the G8 back to stop the war.
Once the war stop everything will go back to normal

Russo did not collapse after the first and Second World War is this one that will break them
😝

Read your history very well
The Russian empire collapse immediately after imperial Germany defeated them in first world war

What collapsed it was poor economy due to the war, oligarchy corruption, low population morale and how poorly the war was handled similarly to what is happening to Russia of today
This led to the rise of radical left known as communism which was led by lenin.
A civil war broke out which was between the red communist party vs white party that was still in favour of the monarchy.
The red communist won, the white was wiped out Soviet Union was born and the rest is history

"Those that failed to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"

Russia always find itself in this situation

ednut1:
the west provided money and weapons to Ukraine knowing they have no chance of winning . Winter is coming and USA is about to bypass EU and gift Russia the occupied Ukrainian lands 🥱

They did so because of the Budapest agreement, and as much as I like a lot of Trumps policies he should have listened to Ukraine, Biden was winning the war and Putin was all over the place, from North Korea, to China, begging for soldiers. In comes Trump and gives him a breathing room to produce more weapons and restrategize. He killed the morale/momentum.

Ukraine has been a largely peaceful country that has chosen to chart a future away from Russia. You seem to enjoy stories of subjugation, oppression, violence against nations protecting their sovereignty. Say so, but don’t give an unsubstantiated claim on a public forum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum#:~:text=The%20memoranda%2C%20signed%20in%20Patria,Kazakhstan%2C%20%22except%20in%20self%2D

Smartguyboy:
Too much of watching western propaganda movies where they are always the hero while Russia and China will fall.

You forgot Russia and USA are also discussing economical partnership once the war stop and Russia have been offer to join the G8 back to stop the war.
Once the war stop everything will go back to normal

Russo did not collapse after the first and Second World War is this one that will break them
😝

You do not understand what communism is… in the simplest of definitions, it’s monarchy with a suit. One man’s vision/mission and nothing else matters.

Secondly, Putin will never join G7, it was a Greek gift filled with treaties that he would never agree to, NEVER!
The EU not USA offered him the position, don’t misinform. It was offered to exhaust all logical options and provide a rationale for war. In time his people too would find him unreasonable.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/11/23/leaked-europe-rival-peace-plan-ukraine-full-russia-war/

Lastly, Europe is preparing for war! Read the signs, they want to do it without NATO. The British empire once conquered the world, second to the Roman Empire, then the Spanish empire, where was Russia and China?
https://kyivindependent.com/putin-warns-russia-prepared-for-war-with-europe-right-now/

Watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_GfnFzhd4w

My advice, leave geopolitics, western propaganda? Then show us the truth? Did we not witness assassination by Russia in the UK? Or the shooting down of a Polish plane with its general on board? Or the shooting down of azerbaijanian plane? Or the murder of a minister in his car? Or pregozhin’s murder? Alexei nalvany’s murder? Do we as a people love suffering this much?