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| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 11:43am On Dec 04, 2025 |
doffman:Bawo ni jare omi eran
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| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 11:46am On Dec 04, 2025 |
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| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Qasim6(m): 2:57pm On Dec 04, 2025 |
SIRTee15:You Christians just love living in ur bubbles, a paulitheist want to destroy someone faith in Islam. I can see you are still pushing your Isaiah 53 agenda Something we don over burst for here. Mr specialist this ur delulu no too much like this? |
| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 3:06pm On Dec 04, 2025 |
doffman:U are waste of time, u respond like a troll. Your faith is blind, that's why u rejecting evidence up and down. U denied what's written in the bible, u denied what the apostles of Christ himself said, u rejected what James the brother of Jesus and head of the Jerusalem church said, u denied what scholars and historian said. U rejected what's written in the old testament about salvation. Besides, Shema is not a commandment but declaration of faith. U even called disciples of Jesus Christ (people who ate and drank with Jesus) fake apostles. What blasphemy, in case u forgotten, your Quran called them Muslims. U said 'i don't care what the apostles of Jesus said, they are fake apostles'. This is what Jesus told his disciples.... Acts 1 7 Jesus said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” So if we can't rely on the apostles of Jesus to tell us the teaching of Jesus, who should we rely on? A fraud who relied on Christians living in arabia to help him write the Quran? Someone who came 600 years later. Your faith is blind my friend. Open your eyes and see the truth. Muhammed is nothing but a fraud. Someone that died the exact same way God warned him he would die if he's ever caught forging revelation- his aorta will be cut in half. And had he forged some statements in Our name, We would have certainly seized him by the right hand, and then severed his aorta(69:44-46) It was narrated from ‘A’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) used to say, during the illness of which he died: “O ‘Aa’ishah, I still feel the pain of the food that I ate in Khaybar, and now I feel that my aorta is being severed from that poison.” Narrated by al-Bukhari (4165). U insisted Jesus never said he will carry the sins of others but couldn't explain why Allah said he will throw the sins of Muslims as big as mountain on innocent Jews and Christians. If Jews and Christians can bear the sins of Muslims, why can't Jesus bear the sins of believers? That's the thought provoking question u should be asking. Anyway to your question. This is what Paul, the so called founder of Christianity has to say. But for us, There's One God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. 1 Corinthian 8.6a So Paul the guy u Muslims love to hate is affirming the Shema. There's only One God who is the Father. And since we follow Paul as u guys claim, them it makes sense for me to also say There's only One God who is the Father. Now since u claim u know the bible more than pastors and Christian. And since I have shown u the most hated Christian in the world declares God as the only Father in his letters. Tell me why the old testament is calling The Angel of LORD Almighty God. Why is another Person (The Angel of the LORD) called God Almighty in the old testament. The Angel of the LORD appeared to Abraham, Jacob and Moses, and he's called God Almighty and YHWH. Mr bible expert, explain to me why there's God Almighty in the old testament apart from the Father. Pls if u are not ready to answer my question don't quote me. There's no point talking to someone who rejects the teaching of Jesus Apostles or the teaching of Jesus brothers. U are free to continue with your blind faith and live in delusion. When u are ready for us to test and scrutinise your faith, u can mention me. 1 Like |
| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 3:27pm On Dec 04, 2025 |
Qasim6:Ha my friend, longest time. Don't mind me jare, I didn't know that doffman of a guy is a troll. I gave him evidence that Paul wasn't the first person to say Jesus Christ died for our sins, but that statement came from the Jesus Christ apostles themselves. James the brother of Jesus, Peter, John and other apostles were the first to go about preaching Jesus died for our sins even b4 Paul converted. The clown blatantly rejected it. He called the disciples of Jesus fake and disagreed with historians without producing any contra evidence. I know u will do better, what evidence do u have to counter the evidence brought forth by historical bible scholars that the source of believe in the death of Jesus Christ for atonement couldn't have been from his disciples. Regarding Isaiah 53, it's a dead case already. I ha e brought tons of evidence to prove Isaiah 53 is about The suffering Messiah. U and your confused naija Jewish friend brought none. U kept shouting Isaiah 53 is not about Jesus. That's not my argument. My argument is clear- is Isaiah 53 about a suffering Messiah who will atone for the sins of his people. What do pre Christian Judaism believe about Isaiah 53, how did the 2nd temple Jews understand Isaiah 53. That's my question. I told u b4 that 2nd temple Judaism believe in 2 Messiah. Kingly and priestly (suffering) messiah. Read about Messiah Ben Joseph and learn the truth my friend. Finally your fried has no idea how the word God Almighty is used in the bible including old testament. So he's confused about Trinity. Let's see if u can do better.... This is what Paul, the so called founder of Christianity has to say. But for us, There's One God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. 1 Corinthian 8.6a So Paul the guy u Muslims love to hate is affirming the Shema. There's only One God who is the Father. And since we follow Paul as u guys claim, them it makes sense for me to also say There's only One God who is the Father. Why then is the old testament calling The Angel of LORD Almighty God. Why is another Person (The Angel of the LORD) called God Almighty in the old testament. The Angel of the LORD appeared to Abraham, Jacob and Moses, and he's called God Almighty and YHWH. I want a clear explanation as to why there's another God Almighty in the old testament apart from the Father. Pls I take God beg u, don't come with the excuse the bible in corrupt argument. Pls, if u don't know be honest enough to say I dont know. 1 Like |
| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Qasim6(m): 8:25pm On Dec 04, 2025*. Modified: 9:19pm On Dec 04, 2025 |
SIRTee15:Your problem is you believe we have writings from the original disciples of Jesus Christ but we have nada, even the scholars u r trying very hard to cling on agree with that; Just forged documents here and there and it's something anyone with viable brain cells can agree on with the way the synoptic gospels copied each other and John with its high Christology and all those "very important" I am statement that the earlier gospel writers missed miraculously. The only genuine documents we have are letters of Paul, even the letters of Paul not all are genuine. And from the genuine letters we can see how Paul is always speaking ills of the original disciples, how he did not get his gospel from them, how what they are mean nothing to him, he even threw jab at them and the gospel they were preaching in Galatians 1:8. So Historically, we don't really know what they believed, but what we can tell from Paul's letter is that their gospel is different from the gospel of Paul. And again the Ebionites that scholar linked heavily with the original disciples, we know how their beliefs digress heavily from Pauls, they even called him fake and rejected his cooked up letters. For Isaiah 53, you and I both know Jesus did not fulfill this part of the prophecy "He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days." And Isaiah 53 contradicts Psalm 91 a known prophecy about Jesus. Prophecy is not something you force to fit, everything must fit with ease perfectly. If it didn't dey, it didn't dey. And don't come here with that your 2nd temple Judaism bla bla bla. I'm living post the Messiah and I have active brain cells. As bad as Paul was, I don't even believe the guy was trinitarian with his statement in 1 cor 11:3 at least not a trinitarian as defined by the Nicene creed but he definitely laid the faulty foundation for you Trinitarians. With Jesus a member of the supposed trinity identifying father as the only true God I don't think you trinitarians should be quoting the shema it is just oxymoron. The Angel of the lord is an angel that mediates and speaks on behalf of God. What is funny is non of the new testament writers equate the angel of the lord with Jesus. |
| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Antiislaam(m): 10:51pm On Dec 04, 2025 |
doffman:Sule next is awon ara Saudi
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| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 12:18am On Dec 05, 2025 |
Qasim6:How do u know we have Nada, how do u know the letters we have are not authentic? Of course, the scholars told u, not the Quran or any thing else. But when the same scholars scrutinise the letters deemed authentic, and conclude the believe in atonement thru death of Jesus Christ came from the original disciples of Jesus, then scholars can no longer be trusted. U see say u Muslims get serious problem. Qasim6:Pls be a honest Muslim and learn to read the letters of Paul properly. Yes, Paul said the gospel he preach came from Christ himself and not from any human authority. But he also said in the same letter of Galatians that he presented the gospel he preach b4 the apostles for scrutiny and approval. James, Peter and John scrutinised the gospel preached by Paul, approved and endorsed it, then told Paul to go ahead and continue preaching the gospel to the Gentiles. Galatians 2 2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain...... 7 On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised..... 9 James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. The disciples of Christ in Jerusalem approved the gospel of Paul. That's the truth u guys wants to ignore. Qasim6:Pls bring evidence the ebionites are linked to the early disciples. Bring evidence the ebionites were among the early disciples of the church in Jerusalem in the early first century. As far as we know, there's no first century source that mentioned ebionites as a sect in the early church. None. If u can bring evidence that the ebionites were mentioned as being part of the early Church headed by James, that will be a great game changer. The argument here is what is the believe of the church in the early 1st century in Jerusalem. What is the significance of the death of Jesus to the church headed by James the Just. Qasim6:Oh God, u have come again. The question is Isaiah 53 about a suffering Messiah? Yes or No. Forget about Jesus and Isaiah 53. It's not relevant here. Is Isaiah 53 a prophecy about a Messiah coming to suffer and die for the redemption of his people? And this psalm 91 u yapping about isn't considered messianic by any ancient Jewish or early Christian tradition. Why do u consider Palam 91 messianic prophecy? Why do u think it's about Jesus? Is it because Jesus quoted a verse from it. If that's the case, then u should consider Palam 110 and Isaiah 42 prophecy about Jesus because Jesus quoted from those chapters. I think that's only fair. Qasim6:Oda, ko buru. If u cannot trust the owners of the Torah to understand their own book properly..... Then tell us, who is Isaiah 53 talking abou? And regarding Isaiah 53. 10b, your problem is thinking the original hebrew word used for offspring/seed which is zera means literal biological children. No the word zera can be used metaphorical, spiritual esp in prophetic literature. See my attached post for better understanding... Then read Mathew 13.1-10 for the offspring/seeds of the Messiah. John 1 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— Qasim6:Really Paul is not the problem anymore but the Nicene creed. What about Jesus that proclaimed his disciples should baptize in the name of the Father, Son and holy spirit. If u are honest with yourself, u would admit that verse is definitely a Trinitarian formula. As regards Nicene creed that u are now blaming. Let's see what it says about the only One God. We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. So the so called heretic Nicene creed u guys love to blame proclaim The Father as the only One God. So who next are u going to blame, Pentecostal or Martin Luther?  U people are not ready to face the truth Qasim6:Interesting. So the Father is sharing his glory with an Angel. I thought God shares his glory with no one. So this Angel is so special that the Father gave him his name, allowed him to be worshipped and be called God Almighty. Mr Man, that's 2 Gods u are alluding to in case u don' t know. That makes u a polytheist. If u believe in the existence of an Angel in heaven separate from the Father but can be called God Almighty in any shape or form or as a mediator, that makes u a polytheist. You believe in 2 beings (2 existence) who are Gods. HEAR O ISRAEL YHWH YOUR GOD IS ONE. The problem is if I bring how the ancient Jews understand this divine agent called Angel of the Lord, u will say bla blah bla, I now live in post old testament era. So do the work yourself. Why did Hagar said she has seen God when she encountered the Angel of the LORD. Hagar saw and spoke to the Angel of the LORD NOT the Father. But after the encounter, she rejoiced and announced she has seen the ever living God called YHWH. Why did Hagar proclaim she saw God Almighty when she never saw the Father. Genesis 16 7 The angel of the Lord found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur...... 13 She gave this name to YHWH who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen the Ever Living One who sees me. ” 14 That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi; it is still there.
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| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by MotiVVaTTi: 1:50am On Dec 05, 2025 |
Racoon:One of the ABOMINATIONS that cause DESOLATION!! Many will leave and have left the Anglican church because of this!!!    |
| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by dofman: 10:42am On Dec 05, 2025 |
SIRTee15 U are waste of time, u respond like a troll.😀😀 you will explain tire seh . You have met someone that know bible than you and your pastor in combine . 🥷 Your faith is blind, that's why u rejecting evidence up and down.Ahaaa , it is you that want to cover your shame with Pauline law and belief nah . I will reveal that Paul for you soon , read on nah ! U denied what's written in the bible, u denied what the apostles of Christ himself said, u rejected what James the brother of Jesus and head of the Jerusalem church said, u denied what scholars and historian said. U rejected what's written in the old testament about salvation.You are the actual one that reject the actual commandment of Jesus and other prophets but you chose to follow Paul new law 😀 U even called disciples of Jesus Christ (people who ate and drank with Jesus) fake apostles. What blasphemy, in case u forgotten, your Quran called them Muslims.Now , let me expose that your master called Paul for you. Let’s go : Point 1 : Open your bible and go to In Matthew 5:17, Jesus says: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." NOW COMES PAUL, your master claimed in his Romans 7:6 said "But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." Read further nah , In his Galatians 3:24, he said "So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. ANOTHER CONFUSION!!! " As you can see , it way Paul your master that created a new law for you and abandon the real commandment starting from previous prophets down to real Jesus . Same you Paul abandoned early prophet teaching , it is same same your be a Christian , a follower of Paul also abandon the commandments. Point 2: Now , go to John 6:37 Jesus says: “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 1 Corinthians 5:12 , Your master called Paul now says : "It certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning." As you can see , Paul is the direct opposite of Jesus . 😀 Point 3 : In Matthew 9 : 11 -12 , Jesus, when asked: "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”, he said: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” 1 Corinthians 5:11 , Your master called Paul now says says: But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. As you can also see that your Paul is an enemy of Jesus preaching . Muhammed is nothing but a fraud. Someone that died the exact same way God warned him he would die if he's ever caught forging revelation- his aorta will be cut in half.Why are you jumping to another topic nah . You need to defend your notion first on the topic we are discussing . 😀. I will reply you once in this as this is not the bone of contention on this current .page . You claimed , Muhammad (pbuh) pai of poison right ? No , if he pai of poison , he should have pai same day he ate that poison meat nah. Muhammad(pbuh) stay healthy for many months after . InFact , he was even aware that the meat was poised and he still eat it to tell you that you can only pai at the right time which God has appointed for you to stay in this world . You should be wise and know that everyone , during the point of death , all your organs will feel the pain of it as everyone must pass through such ; especially from your old wounds you have incurred during your lifetime . Many of your pastors died mysteriously self . How about that ? Muhammad (pbuh) is a human being ; he is not a God . He is the best man ever liveth . Argue with your android phone seh . Now back to your own god that was nailed on the wood . He feel the pain to the extent that he cried so loudly : MATTHEW 27:46 KJ21 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” Infact , when they give him that drink , Jesus said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. —John 19v30 Can you compare that your god pain to the person that pass on in his sick bed to meet his God in peace . Quran 108 :1 to 3 emphasises a powerful comfort, promising the Prophet that his legacy would not end but flourish, contrary to his detractors' claims that he was "abtar" (cut off). That Muhammad (pbuh) still flourish today . You will only have hypertension. U insisted Jesus never said he will carry the sins of others but couldn't explain why Allah said he will throw the sins of Muslims as big as mountain on innocent Jews and Christians.You are writing trash here , chai ; lies upon lies . I repeat you will carry your own sin seh ! I said who carried the sin of the past people before Jesus ? Reason nah ? You current sin you are doing now , who is carrying it ? Chai . You have lost . Anyway to your question.You did not answer my question : I repeat , I want to know if you are qualify to be called pagan : Is Jesus yoir God or prophet ? Just choose one nah 😀? I have exposed Paul for you . Even Satan believe God is one . Your action will judge if truly you admitted God is one . Or you don’t believe in 3 in 1 again (trinity ) ? I must establish your stand ? Stop hidden mr man . Tell me why the old testament is calling The Angel of LORD Almighty God. Why is another Person (The Angel of the LORD) called God Almighty in the old testament. The Angel of the LORD appeared to Abraham, Jacob and Moses, and he's called God Almighty and YHWH.. If truly you believe in one God , why do you pray to Jesus in your prayer ? Why do you replace God qualities with Jesus powerless qualities ? Mr man , you need to be proud of your Pauline faith 😀 After all you master called Paul has stylishly hint you guys how you elevate your Jesus nah : Read Philippians 2:10-11: In this passage, Paul states that "every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord". This is a significant statement because bowing the knee was a practice reserved for God in the Old Testament, suggesting that Jesus has been given the highest authority and honor. Are you going to bow to Jesu or God , the creator of that Jesus . Reason nah . Mr man , my mind is telling you are a pagan but I am still looking for more evidence to certify you pagan . I giving you the last chance to proof yourself . 🥷🥷🥷🥷pagan burster. Alhamdulillah 🗡️ |
| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 11:03am On Dec 05, 2025 |
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| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 3:49pm On Dec 05, 2025 |
doffman:Sule Bulus pikin,
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| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTeee15: 6:00pm On Dec 05, 2025 |
dofman:Clown, this is what Muslims favourite and most beloved Bible scholars Bart Erhman has to say about the believe of Jesus followers. “Very soon after Jesus’ death and … after his followers became convinced of his resurrection, Jesus’ death came to be thought of as an atoning sacrifice for the sins of others, a death that would allow others to be put into a restored relationship with God who would no longer be alienated from them because of their sins.” Now see as they will come and deny their trusted and reliable Bart Erhman. dofman:Clown, if u actually read the bible as u claim u will know Paul contributed nothing new to Christian faith. Nothing new came from him. Zero original contribution. The core principles of our faith came from Christ himself. Remove Paul letters from the NT, and our faith remain the same. Nothing changes. Now let's see what Jesus himself said about dying for the sins of mankind. Did Jesus a really say he came to die for the sins of the world? Mark 10:45 / Matthew 20:28 “The Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” Matthew 26:28 “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” Luke 22:19–20 “This is my body given for you… This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.” John 10:11, 15, 17–18 “The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.”... “I lay down my life for the sheep.” John 6:51 “The bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” John 12:23–24, 32–33 “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified… unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone…” “When I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all people to myself.” He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die. More verses where Jesus openly made it clear he came to die for the sins of mankind. John 6:53–56 (ESV) 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.” John 15:13 (ESV) “Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.” WOW SO JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY TOLD US THAT HE CAME TO DIE FOR THE SINS OF MANKIND. clown doffman are u aware of these verses or they are not in your own bible. I thought it was Paul that invented that idea, but it looks like it's in the injil that Jesus taught. Clown this are all from the gospel, Paul didn't write anyone of the gospel letters. None. Mr bible expert, if u actually been reading the bible as u claim, u will know Jesus predicted his death 3 times. Mark 8:31 (ESV) “And he began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and after three days rise again.” Mark 9:31 (ESV) “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill him. And when he is killed, after three days he will rise.” Mark 10:33–34 33 “See, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the scribes, and they will condemn him to death and deliver him over to the Gentiles. 34 And they will mock him and spit on him, and flog him and kill him. And after three days he will rise.” SO JESUS PREDICTED HIS OWN DEATH AND RESURRECTION, DOFFMAN THE CLOWN DIDN'T KNOW THAT. NOW THAT U KNOW, OYA SHOUT HALLELUJAH dofman:ONCE AGAIN LET'S LEAVE PAUL ALONE AND GO TO JESUS TO KNOW WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT FOLLOWING THE LAW. How do you get to heaven according to Jesus, following the Law or following Jesus Christ Matthew 19:16–22 16 And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “… If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions The rich young man fulfilled all the law requirement but Jesus told him that's not enough to have eternal life. He needs to have a broken spirit and follow Jesus Christ. Jesus NOT Paul is the one who said obeying the law is not enough requirement to get you into heaven. More on how to get to heaven according to Jesus, is it by following the Law or believing in Jesus? What did Jesus not Paul have to say? Story of the Thief on the cross. Luke 23:39–43 39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And Jesus said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Did Paul contradict Jesus when he said following the law is not a requirement to enter the kingdom of heaven? Noooo The thief obeyed zero laws, Infact he was being punished for breaking the Law. Instead he repented, believed Christ was divine and put his faith in Jesus Christ. And Jesus said u will enter paradise with me today. The thief entered heaven without obeying any law or doing good deeds. Clown doffman, stop hiding under Paul. Read what Jesus said and your eyes will see the truth. More on how to enter heaven, is it by following the law or faith. What did Jesus say? Story of the Roman centurion. 5 When he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him, 6 and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.” 7 And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.” 8 But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith. 11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, 12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment The Roman centurion had no idea what the Law of Moses is all about, never followed it and possibly didn't believe in it. But he believed in Jesus. Jesus was so amazed by his faith, that he declares gentiles like him will enter the kingdom of heaven while the supposed Torah observing arrogant Jews will be thrown out. Clown Doffman, so called bible expert. As u can see, we follow the teaching of Jesus. I repeat, remove the letters of Paul and our faith remain the same. dofman:Hahaha, Jesus that took correct koboko and whipped those who are sinning within the church. John 2:13–16 13 The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money changers sitting there. 15 And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father’s house a house of trade.” The point is clear, be supportive with those struggling with sin OUTSIDE THE CHURCH BUT be intolerant of such behavior within the church. Even Paul said we should be gentle with those struggling with sin 1. Galatians 6:1–2 1 Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 2. 2 Corinthians 2:5–8 5 If anyone has caused grief, he has not so much grieved me as all of you, to some extent—not to put it too severely. 6 The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient. 7 So you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 So I urge you to reaffirm your love for him. Are they both saying the same thing? Yes. Paul and Jesus affirm to be gentle with sinners but be firm with irresponsible behaviors within the church. dofman:Same as point 2, no point repeating myself. This is what Paul has to say about bringing people to Christ. 1 Corinthians 9:20–22 (ESV) 20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. 21 To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. 22 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside God’s law but under Christ’s law) that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. |
| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 6:29pm On Dec 05, 2025 |
dofman:Guy read about your own religion. Don't be half baked on both the bible and your own books. Muhammed was never the same again after he ate the poison. The apostle of Allah lived after this three years till in consequence of his pain he passed away. During his illness he used to say, "I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaibar and I suffered several times (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein." Ibn Sa'ad pg 251-252 It was a slow poison that made him fell ill several times. dofman:Liar Liar Liar Hadith – Sahih Bukhari: “The Prophet, in the ailment in which he died, used to say, ‘O Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaybar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.’” U can't know more than Muhammed, he himself admitted he's dying from the effect of the poison he ate 3 years earlier. Your prophet died of slow poisoning e.g lead or arsenic poisoning. The poison severed his aorta like he was warned of he was ever caught lying. Argue with own narrations "Whenever the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, felt ill as a result of the poison, he would have himself treated by cupping. On one occasion, while he was traveling and had assumed the state of Ihraam (ritual state of consecration), he felt ill as a result of that and had himself treated by cupping." Imaam Ahmad's Musnad, Ibn Katheer He suffered from the effect of the poison till he died. That poison was slowly severing his aorta as warned by Allah if he's ever caught lying. dofman:Haha clown, I slapped him with the embarrassing truth from his own books, he's now calling his Hadith trash. Here is it once again, Allah said he will carry the mountain of sins committed by Muslims and throw it on Christians and Jews. Oya call your Hadith trash once again. Abu Burda reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to 'Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah's Apostle (ﷺ)? I said: Yes. Sahih Muslim 2767d So answer my question, if Christians can carry your own burden, why can't Jesus carry my own burden? dofman:Don't worry, shebi Allah has assured u even if your sin is big as mountain, he will find one innocent Christian or Jew and throw the sins on him. That doesn't make sense because no Christian or Jew ever said he came to carry the sin of another man. But Jesus did, Jesus said I'm here to carry the burden of those who follow me. So allow me to follow what Jesus told u to do while u start looking for that christian Allah told u will carry your sin. Matthew 11:28–30 (ESV) 28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. |
| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 6:30pm On Dec 05, 2025 |
dofman:I'm so happy u said Satan believe God is One yet will be destroyed. Knowledge of One God has no meaning unless u worship that One God properly. And Jesus is telling u I'm the way to that God, no one else can go to that God except thru me. dofman:What is Trinity. Let's see if u have any reasonable theological knowledge since your bible knowledge is whack. dofman:Tell me why the old testament is calling The Angel of LORD Almighty God. Why is another Person (The Angel of the LORD) called God Almighty in the old testament. . dofman:because he told is followers to pray to him. John 14:13-14 “And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.” Jesus NOT Paul was the one who told us to pray to Jesus Christ. dofman:Jesus is not powerless my friend, he's the Son of God. Even your Quran said u should worship the Son of Allah. Surah 43.81 Say, [O Muhammad], "If the Most Merciful had a son, then I I would be the first of [his] worshippers." Never in your life say Son of God is powerless, that's blasphemy. dofman:Then answer my question, why are u running away from it. If u are so confident only God received worship (bowing the knee) in the old testament, explain who is the Angel of the LORD? The bible is clear only God should be worshipped. So why is the Angel of the LORD worshiped in the old testament. Why is another figure apart from God the Father worshipped in the old testament? Joshua 5:13–15 (ESV) 13 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing before him with a drawn sword in his hand. And Joshua went to him and said, “Are you for us, or for our adversaries?” 14 And he said, “No; but I am the commander of the army of the Lord. Now I have come.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and did worship and said to him, “What does my lord say to his servant?” 15 And the commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take off your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so. Judges 13.20 Then Manoah took a young goat and a grain offering and offered it on a rock to the Lord. And the Angel of the Lord did wondrously, and Manoah and his wife fell on their faces to the ground. 21 When the angel of the Lord did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the Angel of the Lord. 22 “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen God " Paul didn't write the old testament but we have clear statement where people fell on their face and bowed to another person who is not the Father. Clown doffman, the bible expert. Don't be ashamed of the truth. When u see the truth, u embrace it. Explain to me why people in the Old testament were worshipping the Angel of the LORD and calling him God. If u can explain this mystery in the Old testament, we will move to the New testament and dissect the Christology of Christ. But we must start from the beginning - old testament. dofman:This is what certified pagans looks like.. U cant be kissing a stone and be tell me u are not a pagan. See your people struggling to lick the stone. And the annoying thing is black people are joining them to lick this black stone. I will never understand why a man black man will leave Africa and go and be struggling to kiss a stone in mecca. If u are so thirsty to lick a stone, what happen to Olumo rock or idanre rock? Your ancestors worshipped on those rocks yet u clown will call them pagans. But u will travel to mecca to bow, kiss and lick a black stone, then turn around and proudly say the stone should be honored. This is mental servitude disguised as religion This is idolatry my friend, I'm not even saying it because I'm a Christian but as a human being with common sense. Even if I was born a Muslim, I will never honour or kiss that thing called black stone. It's idolatry pure and simple. Anyways, answer my question on Angel of the Lord or call it a day.
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| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 11:48am On Dec 06, 2025 |
AntiisIam:This your religion ennn . You are finish . 😀 |
| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by dofman: 12:57pm On Dec 06, 2025 |
AntiisIam:See your religion 😀
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| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 2:02pm On Dec 06, 2025 |
SIRTee15: Up till now ,you are afraid to tell us your god o.  . All these your long story will not help you . Is Jesus a God or prophet? Since the bot not agreed to replied you line by line , see your reply in the atached image . I must burst your stand seh and you must confess !
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| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 4:13pm On Dec 06, 2025 |
| Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Qasim6(m): 5:29pm On Dec 06, 2025 |
SIRTee15:How do I know you guys have nothing? It's obvious na, those guys that wrote the canonical gospels wr not writing history, it's just pure agenda and doctrines. And I don't just follow whatever scholars say like a dummy, I look at whatever evidence they r pointing at to reach their conclusions. There is no evidence to conclude we know what the Disciples believed, the only thing we can conclude on is that their gospel is different from Paul's gospel. No bro, the Qur'an tells me the Christian forget a portion of what was revealed to them which is in line with the scholarship. we are saying some teachings of Jesus Christ can still be found in the gospels and some teachings are lost like the hypothetical Q gospel, Matthew gospel described by Papias most likely the same Matthew used by the Ebionites. Paul did not present shit to the apostles, Paul was just outrightly lying that he was given one hand of fellowship. He was supposed to received a letter of recommendation from the Jerusalem church but it's obvious your guy no get any letter of recommendation. He was exposed in Corinth when he couldn't provide letter of recommendation, he just went on a tirade and self appraisal on how he worked harder, how he was ship wrecked... bla blah blah. Maybe your guy don lost the letter by the time he got to Corinth or it had been revoked because of his false teachings. All those your analysis about zera/seeds could have helped your case if the prophecy did not say something about prolonging his days. No bro, you need to stop reading everything with your trinitarian lens. It's obvious the Angel of the lord is a messenger of God Exodus 23 say something about God sending the same angel to lead the Israelites. So I don't know in what world a messenger and the sender become the same. |
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