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BAILMONEY:
We are saying the same thing now, you are not a believer that's why are worshipping a human being like you. Show me one verse in the bible where Christ said "Iam God, worship me"

Sorry i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses we don't believe Jesus is our God rather he's our brother as his father is our father and his God is our God! John 20:17

It's just a pity that you keep missing the target!😟

immaculatesense:
So, if I invest in Palm oil now and another invest in garri and the price of palm oil rises and the price of garri dropped like it is currently. So, if people are buying my palm oil at a high price and the garri selling is running at a loss, does that mean I am robbing her because people pay me more?

So, If I sell my palm oil to someone who refuses to pay me, and I called the person a scammer, does that mean that the whole business is a scam and sin because a scammer refuses to pay me?

Make it make sense. The Bible is our constitution, point to it or else it is just ur opinion. SIMPLE.

The word "invest" has already showed you the difference for you are putting in your money to get palm oil, which the owner of the p.oil is selling. In which case your money has simply been turned to palm oil which can turn back to money.

Where is the stealing in it?

Is the stealing and scam not where he does not have the palm oil at all? So it is a case of you gave a thief your money. It's as simple as that

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses we don't believe Jesus is our God rather he's our brother as his father is our father and his God is our God! John 20:17

It's just a pity that you keep missing the target!😟

JESUS IS NO LONGER ANGEL MICHAEL

Maryiah:
They both got punishment.
The first child the woman David took illegally died.
Jacob had a tough life.

So the innocent child dying is his punishment and which Jacob has a tough life?.....wuna mumu no be for here. .

BAILMONEY:
JESUS IS NO LONGER ANGEL MICHAEL

Obviously you have ran out of point that is why you are beating about the bush.

Who exactly do you think Jesus is before coming to the earth?🤔

ChiefOloye:
Nobody needs the Bible to tell him that gambling is an unforgivable sin against humanity.

How is that so?.....you think the world revolves around ur opinion or what?.

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
There are people who don't know God's laws but their conscience is working {Romans 2:14-15} such individuals will tell you that staking ₦10 to collect ₦100 is robbing Peter to pay Paul so they won't be a part of such system.

But when someone claims he believes in the Bible God yet expecting God to tell him something conscientious unbelievers knew without God's laws it's like mocking faith in true God!

Well, I'm not the overly religious type, I just know gambling has nothing to do with God - it's just a habit that some folks chose to have. Some people chose womanizing, alcoholism, drugs, shoplifting etc over gambling. What do all these have to do with God?

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you have ran out of point that is why you are beating about the bush.

Who exactly do you think Jesus is before coming to the earth?🤔

JESUS CHRIST DID NOT EXIST AS AN INDEPENDENT BEING OR PERSONALITY BEFORE HE WAS CONCEIVED. HIS PRE-EXISTENCE ONLY REFERS TO ALLAH'S ETERNAL KNOWLEDGE AND DECREE OF HIS CREATION NOT REALLY AN BEING EXISTING IN HEAVEN BEFORE HE WAS BORN,

MemoriesAndMe:
Well, I'm not the overly religious type, I just know gambling has nothing to do with God - it's just a habit that some folks chose to have. Some people chose womanizing, alcoholism, drugs, shoplifting etc over gambling. What do all these have to do with God?

This is why STUDYING the Bible matters not just reading it {Psalms 1:1-3} there are some people God chose to TEACH others because such ones are wise and can discern the principle behind the laws God gave His worshipers! Nehemiah 8:8

There is just one single thing that brings all what God condemned together it's called "POLITICS"

The world in general has a definition for POLITICS but according to God's word it is the evil that's connecting all evil deeds together and making practicers of such evil deeds one family. Galatians 5:19-21

Let me pick GAMBLING which is the topic of discussion on this thread.

When people are thinking of how to get what they never worked for just by risking their money it shows how greedy such individuals are and they are never humble people instead they want to oppress others so even though they win a little the spirit of oppression won't let them rest instead they will continue aiming more which always make them desperate.

Dtruthspeaker:
The word "invest" has already showed you the difference for you are putting in your money to get palm oil, which the owner of the p.oil is selling. In which case your money has simply been turned to palm oil which can turn back to money.

Where is the stealing in it?

Is the stealing and scam not where he does not have the palm oil at all? So it is a case of you gave a thief your money. It's as simple as that

Na just beating about the bush. LUNO has never defrauded me before. So, where is the thief?

BAILMONEY:
JESUS CHRIST DID NOT EXIST AS AN INDEPENDENT BEING OR PERSONALITY BEFORE HE WAS CONCEIVED. HIS PRE-EXISTENCE ONLY REFERS TO ALLAH'S ETERNAL KNOWLEDGE AND DECREE OF HIS CREATION NOT REALLY AN BEING EXISTING IN HEAVEN BEFORE HE WAS BORN,

This is what the Bible says about Jesus:

He existed in the spirit realms before his coming to the earth. Proverbs 8:22, 30; Micah 5:2

He is the angel who always represent God to fight for God's servants. Exodus 13:21; 14:19 compare to Daniel 12:1; 3:25

He himself confirmed that he existed long ago even before Abraham. John 8:58

He lives in heaven before coming to this planet. John 8:23

So Jesus wasn't one of Adam's offspring but a spirit being in heaven before Adam was created! John 1:1-2

immaculatesense:
Na just beating about the bush. LUNO has never defrauded me before. So, where is the thief?

Who is LUNO? Did you say anything about Luno before? You are just running your mouth since you real eyes that you do not have any reasonable thing to say again

MaxInDHouse:
I will tell you several things Jesus taught that's totally different from what is found written in the scriptures before his time.

Jesus said his disciples should love their enemies something that was never found written in the scriptures and all the prophets before then taught them to hate their enemies! Matthew 5:43-44

Jesus told his disciples to store treasure in heaven whereas no scripture or any of the prophets before him said people should store their treasures in heaven! Matthew 6:19-21

Jesus told his disciples that he is going to prepare a place for them in heaven {John 14:2-3} there is nowhere in the scriptures that says people will go to heaven before his time. Psalms 115:16

Jesus told his listeners they must eat his flesh and drink his blood something that no Israelite prophet ever told them neither was such found written in their scriptures about God's loyal servants! John 6:61-65

Jesus said Elijah has come in person of John the baptist {Matthew 11:11-14} but the name WRITTEN in the scriptures was ELIJAH not John! Malachi 4:5


Please quote where any of these things Jesus is saying were written in the Old Testament that's available before Jesus' times.

What are we saying and what is this one saying?
What is the Christian scriptures? Is it not from Genesis to Revelation? Why are you separating the word of Jesus from other ones in the scriptures? Your point is baseless.
I told you that the scriptures is our constitution and the last and final amendment is the New testament. No more addition or subtraction after that. If you or anyone in ur organization decide to add anything, that is your headache.
The bottom line is that GAMBLING was not stated in the SCRIPTURES as a sin. If you have a counter proof where gambling is stated directly as a sin, they show us. If not be silent. Simplito.

immaculatesense:
Na just beating about the bush. LUNO has never defrauded me before. So, where is the thief?

Who is LUNO? Did you say anything about Luno before? And stock market/forex have lasted longer than your Luno and they stolen peoples monies.

So you are just running your mouth since you real eyes that you do not have any reasonable thing to say again

Dtruthspeaker:
I clearly said that the forex and stock market is a place of fraud and the scam of money doubling which is all stealing, and you yourself could not deny or counter it.

I showed how gambling sits on stealing and is based on stealiing and again you can not counter or deny it.

So, the topic on hand is settled in the absence of any reasonable objection to the points raised.

Show me in the scriptures where it is stated that stock market and forex market is a sin. That if I buy the Federal Government bond, I am a thief or if a buy a stock in dangotesugar using my Meristem app, I have stolen.
Shey you dey make sense for your ears sef. Abi u no even dey learned to understand the equity or bond market?

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE PLEASE. COS YOU NO MAKE SENSE AT ALL. SHOW ME FOR SCRIPTURES WHICH IS OUR GRAND NORM.

Dtruthspeaker:
Who is LUNO? Did you say anything about Luno before? And stock market/forex have lasted longer than your Luno and they stolen peoples monies.

So you are just running your mouth since you real eyes that you do not have any reasonable thing to say again

I am asking you, is LUNO app where I buy crypto and other equity thief? Answer na.
Why u dey fear.

immaculatesense:
What is the Christian scriptures?

The Christian scriptures are 27 books written by Jesus' disciples (friends) Jews till today don't believe these books because they don't see any correlation between the books written by Jesus' friends and books written by their ancient prophets which consists of 39 books.

So the Christian scriptures are from Matthew ~ Revelation known as the New Testament while ancient Jewish writings from Genesis ~ Malachi is known as the Old Testament.

In the first century majority of Jews didn't believe Jesus or his disciples because what they are preaching or teaching can't be easily established in their Old (ancient) scriptures!

immaculatesense:
Is it not from Genesis to Revelation? Why are you separating the word of Jesus from other ones in the scriptures?

You are wrong Sir.
Till today the Jews as in 99% don't accept Jesus of Nazareth as a prophet of their God in fact they refer to him as an impostor! Matthew 27:63

immaculatesense:
I am asking you, is LUNO app where I buy crypto and other equity thief? Answer na.
Why u dey fear.

Did I not say at the beginning that you give real money to get unreal things? As I said you don't have any reasonable thing to say

immaculatesense:
Show me in the scriptures where it is stated that stock market and forex market is a sin. ..

Stealing is in the bible and I have already said that the forex and stock market is a place of fraud and the scam of money doubling which is all stealing, and you yourself could not deny or counter it, so need wasting your time to repeat yourself

Will I want to have a gambler has a child, spouse, parent. I will surely not want it, I will not want to employ a known gambler in my business.
Same with yahoo yahoo, alcoholic, drug addict.s etc.
Ask those who says gambling is not a sin , if they will like there children or spouse to be a gambler if Yes, then that shall surely be there portion

Pastors, imams, prophets and propheteses, church goers, pagans, moslems, popes, GOs, Sultans, professors, doctors...etc...everyone of us...We gamble everyday! We gamble when we vote, we gamble when we invest in forex. We gamble when we vote, we gamble everytime..

TokoEkambi:
All this mental gymnastics without a single direct proof of the Bible being against gambling. The Bible talks against usury directly, which banks do. But these religious folks would never condemn that. You know why? Well, many bankers are rich and support "the work of the lord". Religious people are hilarious in their hypocrisy. The same way they go on summesaulting voyages to say drinking alcohol is a sin. Lolz.

errant nonsense.

Dtruthspeaker:
Stealing is in the bible and I have already said that the forex and stock market is a place of fraud and the scam of money doubling which is all stealing, and you yourself could not deny or counter it, so need wasting your time to repeat yourself

For something to be called stealing, there must be the thief, the owner and the object, commodity or money.
You still never make sense. Can you take me or stock brokers to court for stealing? Or stealing what? Or stealing whose money?
Oga, how do you prove this your ludicrous case in court.
You go explain tire ooo.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Dtruthspeaker:
Did I not say at the beginning that you give real money to get unreal things? As I said you don't have any reasonable thing to say

So, if I convert my Bitcoin to money and use it to buy Venza or land or house, it is still not a real thing?
Shey you dey play ni... Oga, u are still live in the 18th century. You fit even tell me say the money wey dey my bank account is unreal and the charges for SMS and electronics transfer charges etc wey banks dey comot na stealing. Your matter don tire Matthias ooo.
You go explain tire.
No Be Juju Be Dat?

MaxInDHouse:
The Christian scriptures are 27 books written by Jesus' disciples (friends) Jews till today don't believe these books because they don't see any correlation between the books written by Jesus' friends and books written by their ancient prophets which consists of 39 books.

So the Christian scriptures are from Matthew ~ Revelation known as the New Testament while ancient Jewish writings from Genesis ~ Malachi is known as the Old Testament.

In the first century majority of Jews didn't believe Jesus or his disciples because what they are preaching or teaching can't be easily established in their Old (ancient) scriptures!


You are wrong Sir.
Till today the Jews as in 99% don't accept Jesus of Nazareth as a prophet of their God in fact they refer to him as an impostor! Matthew 27:63

When I say you don't understand scriptures or what people explain to you, you will take I am insulting you and you just showed proof of that.
So, when Paul said in Timothy that No scriptures is written by the will of man but holy men wrote as they were inspired by God. Was Paul talking about Matthew to Revelation then, when he said that? The clear answer is No because they were none existent at the time.
That was why I was so so clear when I said the New testament is the last amendment of the scriptures. The scriptures is from Genesis to Revelation while the New testament Matthew to Revelation is the guiding principle for Gentile Believers which we are part of. The Jews may decide to stick to their old covenant which is not also wrong because it is their cultural instruction. Whether they accept Jesus or not is their individual choice no collective. At least we have nations that are no Jews that also did not accept Jesus, so it is not a matter of being Jew or not, it is a personal choice.

Now from this rule books of believer (New Testament), there is no single place where it was stated that Gambling is a sin. Show me where it is stated clearly unless you believe that the scriptures is not good enough and human can amend them now like you are trying so hard to do now.

• Were the writers of New Testament like Matthew and the rest Jews too?
• If so why did their own people reject the books written by their fellow Jews?
• When Paul said "all scriptures is inspired of God" {2Timothy 3:16} did the Jews as a nation agreed?
• Why did they disagree with such statement?

immaculatesense:
When I say you don't understand scriptures or what people explain to you, you will take I am insulting you and you just showed proof of that.
So, when Paul said in Timothy that No scriptures is written by the will of man but holy men wrote as they were inspired by God. Was Paul talking about Matthew to Revelation then, when he said that? The clear answer is No because they were none existent at the time.
That was why I was so so clear when I said the New testament is the last amendment of the scriptures. The scriptures is from Genesis to Revelation while the New testament Matthew to Revelation is the guiding principle for Gentile Believers which we are part of. The Jews may decide to stick to their old covenant which is not also wrong because it is their cultural instruction. Whether they accept Jesus or not is their individual choice no collective. At least we have nations that are no Jews that also did not accept Jesus, so it is not a matter of being Jew or not, it is a personal choice.

Now from this rule books of believer (New Testament), there is no single place where it was stated that Gambling is a sin. Show me where it is stated clearly unless you believe that the scriptures is not good enough and human can amend them now like you are trying so hard to do now.

MaxInDHouse:
• Were the writers of New Testament like Matthew and the rest Jews too?
• If so why did their own people reject the books written by their fellow Jews?
• When Paul said "all scriptures is inspired of God" {2Timothy 3:16} did the Jews as a nation agreed?
• Why did they disagree with such statement?

Deflecting the issue on the table as usual.
Why am I surprised? You can't justify from the scriptures that Gambling is a sin. Why beating about the bush as to Mathew being Jew and the Jews rejecting Jesus. Should I believe in Ifa because I am Yoruba and Ifa is a Yoruba religion? Oga, stop all these childish rigmarole.

immaculatesense:
So, if I convert my Bitcoin to money and use it to buy Venza or land or house, it is still not a real thing?..

Is bit coin real? No
Fela:
When someone give hin real salary to buy unreal money, abeg wetin hin dey find? Na nothing he dey find, na nothing hin go get e ooo..

Then you would Kon dey cry like this guy ooo
https://www.nairaland.com/3620519/beware-bitcoin-fraudster#53573291

Femmymata2:
Will I want to have a gambler has a child, spouse, parent. I will surely not want it, I will not want to employ a known gambler in my business. Same with yahoo yahoo, alcoholic, drug addict.s etc. Ask those who says gambling is not a sin , if they will like there children or spouse to be a gambler if Yes, then that shall surely be there portion

In the first century some Christians were disobedient to the Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem. 3John:9-10 compare to Ephesians 5:6
The reason is simple: such individuals disagreed with the decisions made by the Apostles on rules guiding the whole association of Christians back then they were claiming that the Apostles were setting standards which is not found in the scriptures nor spoken by Jesus.
They have forgotten that Jesus said to his Apostles:

"I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens.” Matthew 16:19

This means whatever the Apostles agreed upon whether it's found in the scriptures or not has been stamped in heaven so whoever disagrees with them has no place in God's Kingdom.

WHY?

Because the foundation of God's Kingdom government was laid in the name of the twelve Apostles {Revelation 21:14} the reason why there is so much contradictions is due to the fact that the world didn't RECOGNIZE the group Jesus is using to feed his disciples globally today and according to Jesus all those disregarding that little group can't see God's Kingdom! Matthew 25:45

Guy i didn't quote you first rather you're the person who mentioned me so if you are not mature and polite enough for the discussion no one is forcing the decision that elders of the church of Christ made on you it's either you are in or out.
So answer the questions if you are sure of what you are saying now!🙂

immaculatesense:
Deflecting the issue on the table as usual.
Why am I surprised? You can't justify from the scriptures that Gambling is a sin. Why beating about the bush as to Mathew being Jew and the Jews rejecting Jesus. Should I believe in Ifa because I am Yoruba and Ifa is a Yoruba religion? Oga, stop all these childish rigmarole.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i didn't quote you first rather you're the person who mentioned me so if you are not mature and polite enough for the discussion no one is forcing the decision that elders of the church of Christ made on you it's either you are in or out.
So answer the questions if you are sure of what you are saying now!🙂

What was the basis of our discussion in the first place? Gambling.
Why deflect the discussion?