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Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTeee15: 10:21pm On Dec 06, 2025
@ doffman

You want to know if Jesus is a mere prophet or God ?

Then let's go back to where it all started- old testament.

You came here and said it was Paul who invented the idea that other person apart from God the Father should be worshipped. That such isn't found in the old testament.

Then tell me why the Angel of the LORD in the old testament is worshipped, bowed to and called God Almighty.
Paul didn't write any book in the old testament, so why is another person apart from God the Father worshipped.

Deal with this first, then we will talk about CHRISTOLOGY OF CHRIST.

Let me show u another person u are actually supposed to worship if u are true believer IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

Daniel 7
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

SEE AS THE WHOLE WORLD WILL EVENTUALLY BOW AND WORSHIP THE SON OF MAN MENTIONED IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL.....
NOW TELL ME WHO IS THE SON OF MAN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT?
Or na Paul write book of Daniel...

clown, I will use scriptural truth wound you, I go use prophecy dislocate your false belief leading u to develop cognitive dissonance.

It's obvious your bible knowledge is whack, u don't even understand the scriptures u post here. u are punching far far above your level. U don't have what it takes to be a theological polemicist.
To continue with u is a waste of time.

Just answer my question otherwise let's call it a day.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 6:22am On Dec 07, 2025
doffman:
My agbako student still running away from a single question ahaaa

Are you ready to answer only question that finished you off ? 😀

As I already answered your questions , Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?


Preaching ….
She pagan is running away o

Repent today !

In case you want to reunite with your creator , repeat after me :

I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God
Alagbakoo boy, this is not what I said

You should be able to proof it that rounding kaaba is not idolism because Abraham never did such!
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 6:31am On Dec 07, 2025
doffman

Why can't you just be a good boy for a second by quoting quran 16:97 and also show us where allah in quran said you will be in paradise with your body?
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 6:45am On Dec 07, 2025
dofman:
See your religion 😀
Mr sule

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Qasim6(m):
SIRTee15:
Really Paul is not the problem anymore but the Nicene creed.
What about Jesus that proclaimed his disciples should baptize in the name of the Father, Son and holy spirit.

If u are honest with yourself, u would admit that verse is definitely a Trinitarian formula.

As regards Nicene creed that u are now blaming.
Let's see what it says about the only One God.

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.


So the so called heretic Nicene creed u guys love to blame proclaim The Father as the only One God.

So who next are u going to blame, Pentecostal or Martin Luther? undecided kiss undecided
U people are not ready to face the truth
Here is the thing.
I used to argue Jesus is not God using the new testament, but now I have come to the realisation you can not make a valid argument that Jesus is not God with the new testament. it is obvious Paul, and all 4 writers of the canonical gospels believed Jesus is a god that has been pre-existing but they believed he is a different God to God the father and more like a little God compare to God the father and Paul and all the canonical gospels writers believed Jesus deserves to the worshipped along side the father.

With Jesus now being a 2nd God there is clash in theology with Judaism on which Christianity is supposed to be built. and I believe there should not be a clash on something as fundamental as who God is, and who is not God. We can see from the theme of the tanakh that there is only one God, the God of all the prophets in the old testament always telling us He alone is God, there is no one else beside him.

With all these, the question now is can I even trust Paul and all the writers of the canonical gospels to begin with, can I trust they gave us the real Jesus, I have come to the conclusion that I can't trust them and no one should.

Paul: why I can't trust Paul.
He was not a disciple of Jesus Christ to begin with, he only claimed to have met Jesus in a vision. Reading Paul's letters you can tell he was in constant serious conflict with the disciples, he called their gospel a no gospel at all and I believed they would have said the same about the gospel he claimed to have received from Christ and there should not have been a serious conflict if the canonical gospels truly represent the beliefs of the apostles because the canonical gospels is greatly in line with Pauls teachings.

Mark: why I can't trust mark
On a closer look at marks gospel, we can see who ever wrote mark had been exposed to Paul's teachings he used similar languages to Paul, Jesus nullifying the mosaic law(declaring all food clean); Mark represented the apostles/Mary in bad light they lack faith and they all just don't understand anything Jesus was saying or anything about him, we have Jesus calling Peter Satan, James that later became the head of Jerusalem church as an unbeliever, Gentiles responding best to his teachings in Decapolis and Tyre.

Mathew and Luke: why I can't trust them
On a closer look, you can see what they were doing with Marks gospel, trying to mitigate the bad representation of the apostles, in Mathew we see Jesus telling the apostles not to go to the gentiles.....

John: why I can't trust John
John is just John, I think for anyone to even trust Johns gospel it's going to be on faith ground.
Which now begs the question: are these guys even writing history or just agendas?

How can we now know what Jesus did say and did not say, we have to go back to the disciples, unfortunately we just can't lay our hands on anything that is genuinely from them and it is not out of the fact that they did not write anything, we see Papias describing a gospel written by Matthew that is different from Matthew we ended up with, sadly somehow their writings did not see the light of the day.

So everything still fall on Paul and yeah Paul is the problem. He laid the faulty foundation for you Trinitarians.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 10:54am On Dec 07, 2025
SIRTeee15:
@ doffman

You want to know if Jesus is a mere prophet or God ?

Then let's go back to where it all started- old testament.

You came here and said it was Paul who invented the idea that other person apart from God the Father should be worshipped. That such isn't found in the old testament.

Then tell me why the Angel of the LORD in the old testament is worshipped, bowed to and called God Almighty.
Paul didn't write any book in the old testament, so why is another person apart from God the Father worshipped.

Deal with this first, then we will talk about CHRISTOLOGY OF CHRIST.

Let me show u another person u are actually supposed to worship if u are true believer IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

Daniel 7
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

SEE AS THE WHOLE WORLD WILL EVENTUALLY BOW AND WORSHIP THE SON OF MAN MENTIONED IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL.....
NOW TELL ME WHO IS THE SON OF MAN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT?
Or na Paul write book of Daniel...

clown, I will use scriptural truth wound you, I go use prophecy dislocate your false belief leading u to develop cognitive dissonance.

It's obvious your bible knowledge is whack, u don't even understand the scriptures u post here. u are punching far far above your level. U don't have what it takes to be a theological polemicist.
To continue with u is a waste of time.

Just answer my question otherwise let's call it a day.
Hello pagan , even if the bot become satan himself and
Prevent my reply to you , you must still collect it in another format . See your reply in attached .

🥷🥷🗡️

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 10:56am On Dec 07, 2025
AntiisIam:
Mr sule
This your agbako religion ennn. Everyone know it is agbakoic😀😀

No be your pastor here officiating marriage ahaa?

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 11:02am On Dec 07, 2025
IslamVIRGINS:
Alagbakoo boy, this is not what I said

You should be able to proof it that rounding kaaba is not idolism because Abraham never did such!
Why can't you just be a good boy for a second by quoting quran 16:97 and also show us where allah in quran said you will be in paradise with your body?
My special agbako student , where are you since ; I have been looking for you nah .

This your repetition will never help you o .

Are you ready to answer my only question now ?


As I already answered your questions , Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

You can consult your new senior man here to help you nah if e fit run it for you 😀


Your daily preaching …..


Are you ready to stop being a Paulinah ?

In case you want to reunite with your creator , repeat after me :

I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God


Your previous answered question ….

Question 1. Why Muslim worship in Makkah ?

In islam , Muslim worship no any person or thing expect Allah . Kaaba 🕋 is only use for reference point for unified direction for all Muslim to pray . Allah commanded it and ask those who believe to prayed facing Kaaba 🕋.


Surah 2:144: I quote

"We see you turning your face towards heaven. Now We will make you turn towards a direction... that will please you. So turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque [in Mecca]—wherever you are, turn your faces towards it".


Surah 2:149:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque".

Surah 2:150:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque...".


The verses emphasize that turning towards the Kaaba is a command from God, not an act of worship towards the structure itself. It serves as a central point of prayer for Muslims worldwide, symbolizing unity.

Now if the God(Allah ) himself commanded us to face that place during prayer does, who are you or fellow pagan to tell us not ?

Before Muhammad arrived , previous believers have been praying to one God facing direction of Jerusalem . Read Daniel 6:10, which states that Daniel prayed with his windows open toward Jerusalem.

This is also supported by 1 Kings 8:29-30, Solomon's prayer for those who pray toward the Temple in Jerusalem,

and 2 Chronicles 6:20, which echoes this sentiment. These verses describe the practice as directing prayer toward Jerusalem or the Temple as a way of showing faith and remembrance.

Facing a sacred place during prayer does not mean you are worshiping them. As they face the place , they give the glory to Allah , the lords of all the words .

Every mosque 🕌 you see close to your house is facing Kaaba 🕋 direction .

Go do your personal research and learn .

Hatred toward Islam can never favour you . Those that tried it , where are they now ; Islam is still dominating .,


Quran 61:8

They wish to extinguish Allah’s light with their mouths, but Allah will ˹certainly˺ perfect His light, even to the dismay of the disbelievers




QUESTION 2.
Where is it written in Quran that you are taking your body to paradise?


ANSWER :

Quran 7:46

There will be a barrier between Paradise and Hell. And on the heights of that barrier will be people who will recognize ˹the residents of both by their appearance.

They will call out to the residents of Paradise, “Peace be upon you!” They will have not yet entered Paradise, but eagerly hope to.


Now from the above verse , is that spirit in paradise or people ( human) ? 😂


The soul of the believer is a bird that is nourished from the trees of Paradise, until Allah returns it to its body on the Day when he is resurrected.” (Al-Nasa’i, Ibn Majah, Ahmad, Malik; Sahih)

Did you not see that soul retuned to the body ? 😂

Did you see soul there ; I asked you again ?


Now , let me me split it for you so that your cerebellum can process it :

During their journeys through this universe, the soul and its body travel through four different worlds:

1. The womb - where the soul joins its body.

2. At Death: The soul leaves the body.

3. In the Grave (Barzakh): The soul temporarily returns to the body to be questioned about the deceased's beliefs and deeds.

4. Day of Judgment: The soul is reunited with the body in the most complete and final form, a process known as the resurrection. This will be a literal and physical reunion, where people will recognize each other.

If you want to learn , come and learn and leave your Pauline religion .


And don’t forget , your book say you guys have 100 wives 😂 how far ?


QUESTION 3:
While you males get seventy two girls in Janah, what will your female counterparts get? perhaps seventy two young men, back your answer with Quran reference!

ANSWER

Why your god in your man made bible promise your men 100 wives ?

While your god in your man made bible share 16,000 virgin girls ? Why not sharing men 😂

Also, did God question Solomon of marrying many wives ?

Since God did not questioning him for that , why are you feel pain of that nah or you are jealous 😂


Moreover , It is a blessing to be a female in Islam same with a man .


Never will I allow to be lost the work of any of you, [b][/b]male or female. (Aal lmran 2:195)

Whosoever works righteousness, whether male or female, while he(or she) is a true believer, We will give a good life. (An-Nahl 16:97)

And whoever does righteous good deeds, being a male or a female, and is a true believer, such will enter Paradise. (An-Nisaa’ 4:124)


Now let back to your bible as see how your females are being used 😂

Numbers 31:40-42

40 and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the Lord’s share.

Why girls were shared and not boys or men ?

What is the gain of woman nah ? Ahaaa

Why only girls or woman are using for sharing ?.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTeee15: 11:24am On Dec 07, 2025
doffman:
Hello pagan , even if the bot become satan himself and
Prevent my reply to you , you must still collect it in another format . See your reply in attached .

🥷🥷🗡️
WAS IT JESUS THAT KICKED THE JEWS OUT OF THE KINGDOM OR PAUL?

Mathew 8
When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


WHO EXTENDED THE HAND OF FELLOWSHIP OF THE KINGDOM TO THE GENTILES?
JESUS OR PAUL?

Matthew 21
42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’[h]?
43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.


I DON'T PREACH RELIGION BECAUSE ALL RELIGIONS ARE MAN MADE DESIGNED FOR CONTROL, I PREACH THE CHURCH ESTABLISHED BY JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.

Matthew 16
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it


IF JESUS COMES BACK AND DOESN'T FIND YOU IN HIS CHURCH YOU ARE DOOMED. continue playing religion with your destiny.

Bye, but don't say I didn't warn u.

when u are ready to know if Jesus is a mere prophet or God, answer my question and we will delve into Christology of Christ
Why is another person in the Old Testament worshipped and called God Almighty apart from God the Father.

otherwise follow my argument with your fellow Muslim here, Qasim who has shown more coherence in matters of theology than u.

Bye
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 8:46pm On Dec 07, 2025
doffman:
This your agbako religion ennn. Everyone know it is agbakoic😀😀

No be your pastor here officiating marriage ahaa?
Ogbeni sule

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15:
Qasim6:
How do I know you guys have nothing? It's obvious na, those guys that wrote the canonical gospels wr not writing history, it's just pure agenda and doctrines. And I don't just follow whatever scholars say like a dummy, I look at whatever evidence they r pointing at to reach their conclusions. There is no evidence to conclude we know what the Disciples believed, the only thing we can conclude on is that their gospel is different from Paul's gospel.

No bro, the Qur'an tells me the Christian forget a portion of what was revealed to them which is in line with the scholarship. we are saying some teachings of Jesus Christ can still be found in the gospels and some teachings are lost like the hypothetical Q gospel, Matthew gospel described by Papias most likely the same Matthew used by the Ebionites.

Paul did not present shit to the apostles, Paul was just outrightly lying that he was given one hand of fellowship. He was supposed to received a letter of recommendation from the Jerusalem church but it's obvious your guy no get any letter of recommendation.
He was exposed in Corinth when he couldn't provide letter of recommendation, he just went on a tirade and self appraisal on how he worked harder, how he was ship wrecked... bla blah blah. Maybe your guy don lost the letter by the time he got to Corinth or it had been revoked because of his false teachings.

All those your analysis about zera/seeds could have helped your case if the prophecy did not say something about prolonging his days.


No bro, you need to stop reading everything with your trinitarian lens. It's obvious the Angel of the lord is a messenger of God
Exodus 23 say something about God sending the same angel to lead the Israelites.
So I don't know in what world a messenger and the sender become the same.
1. U can't be picking and choosing what suits your agenda from Scholastic work. Your claim must be backed by evidence and u counter evidence u reject with counter evidence.
Otherwise your belief is a blind faith.

2. Do we have ebionites in the Jerusalem church headed by James in the early days of the church?
That's my question, if ebionites cannot be linked to the early church in Jerusalem, their opinion is inconsequential.
BELIEF FROM LATER DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T COUNT.

Besides ebionites never used any gospel of Matthew, they had their own gospel called ebionites gospel, the church fathers quoted from it.

3. Once again picking what suits your agenda from the letters of Paul, Just like u do to tafsirs and hadiths.
This is despite Acts 15 corroborated what Paul wrote in the book of Galatian. He was actually given a letter of approval by the church in Jerusalem to preach his message to gentiles

Acts 15
With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.

24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell.


I dont think u have any knowledge about the historicity of the church in Corinthians but let me summarise it for u.
1. Paul founded and established the church in Corinth, he stayed there for 18 months b4 he left.
2. After his founding visit of eighteen months, Paul continued to correspond with the church, reflecting ongoing pastoral concern amid escalating issues; and also encouraged them to donate to the Jerusalem church. He even offered to write letter of introduction for the emissaries that will take the offering to Jerusalem. Acts 16.
3. Some 'super apostles' arrived in Corinth church with letter of recommendation to antagonise Paul (Likely Pharisee converts mentioned in Acts 15) and questioned his credential.
4. The church of Corinth also began to question Paul's authority and one of them led a rebellion against Paul.
5. Paul wrote a severe letter to the church seriously reprimanding them. ( the letter is lost)
6. Titus visited the church, he noticed the church had repented, the troublemaker had been disciplined and they wanted to restore their relationship with Paul. 2 Corinth 7.6-16
7. Paul wrote a reconciliation letter (2 corinthians) emphasizing integrity and true apostleship over showmanship
8. Paul said he need no letter of recommendation because he established the church- the church is his own recommendation, and that he preach for free not expecting any financial payment or support unlike the 'super apostles' who expected financial reward for their stewardship 2 Corinth 11.7-20
(Letter of recommendation was needed by travelling teachers who expected payment or financial reward for their stewardship)
Paul himself has no problem with letter of recommendation and he wrote one for phoebe, Mark and Philemon BUT he's against if it's for other motive except to spread the gospel.

Once again, I will strongly advise you to understand how words are used b4 concluding based on your own ignorant interpretation. No scholar- either academic, Jewish or atheist takes the verse 'he will prolong his days" literally.
The phrase is a Hebrew idiom for divine blessing, not literal longevity.
All scholars regardless of background understand Isaiah 53.10b to be covenant promise of restoration not bodily longevity.
That's why Jewish in the AD era who reinterpreted the Isaiah 53 to be about nation of Israel had no problem with that verse because they never took it literal. They understood it to be 'Israel will enjoy long-lasting prosperity'.

Deut 5.33
Walk in obedience to all that the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live and prosper and prolong your days in the land that you will possess.

Deut 11.9
and so that you may live long in the land the Lord swore to your ancestors to give to them and their descendants, a land flowing with milk and honey


Finally bringing angel mentioned in Exodus 23 just buried u. Go back and read that passage, u will discover God said He put his name in the angel and The angel has the power to forgive sin.

20 “See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him .

That's why the Angel of the LORD is called God Almighty because God's Name is in him. He also has the divinity of God in him, that's why he has the power to forgive sin.

Now when we go to the New testament and we see another person bearing the name of God and has the power to forgive sin, why do u Muslims start shouting NT is corrupt..bla..bla

If Muslims have no problem with an angel in the old testament sharing God's name and can forgive sin, why then do u have a problem with the Son of God sharing in his Father's name and his divinity
Whyhuh??
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 11:49pm On Dec 07, 2025
Qasim6:
Here is the thing.
I used to argue Jesus is not God using the new testament, but now I have come to the realisation you can not make a valid argument that Jesus is not God with the new testament. it is obvious Paul, and all 4 writers of the canonical gospels believed Jesus is a god that has been pre-existing but they believed he is a different God to God the father and more like a little God compare to God the father and Paul and all the canonical gospels writers believed Jesus deserves to the worshipped along side the father.
Ok that's good, you are getting there.
U are very close to following the TRUE Christ not the fake one brought by that unknown prophet.
Your eyes is gradually opening to the truth

Qasim6:
With Jesus now being a 2nd God there is clash in theology with Judaism on which Christianity is supposed to be built. and I believe there should not be a clash on something as fundamental as who God is, and who is not God. We can see from the theme of the tanakh that there is only one God, the God of all the prophets in the old testament always telling us He alone is God, there is no one else beside him.
Very Good!!!!!
Now this is where we have to go back to 2nd temple Judaism.
What do they believe? What is the believe of the Jews regarding God when Jesus was walking on this earth?
What do they teach about God in the synagogue when Jesus was called a Rabbi.
Remember Paul is a thorough bred Pharisee well versed in the scriptures, he wouldn't say Jesus is God as well as the Father is there's nothing backing up that claim. Never.

Post exilic ancient Jews believed in One God but 2 powers in heaven.
One is the Father, the other is his word called mamre of the Lord in Aramaic.
The Jews had no challenge with monotheism despite believing in 2 powers in heaven because they knew the word of God is the revelation of the Father. They are the same- One existence.

The problem started when a new sect of Judaism started going about saying Jesus Christ is that 2nd power in heaven.
The Jews didn't like this and were forced to change their doctrine and declare the 2 powers in heaven and heresy by 200AD.
Before that no Jew had any problem believing in 2 powers in heaven because the old testament preached it.
This was the believe of the Jews when Jesus was teaching as a Rabbi. He never condemned it.

Qasim6:
With all these, the question now is can I even trust Paul and all the writers of the canonical gospels to begin with, can I trust they gave us the real Jesus, I have come to the conclusion that I can't trust them and no one should.
Yes u can trust the NT books. Despite all noise about corruption of the gospel. We are yet to discover any extant gospel book that preach anything different and coherent to what we have. None.

Qasim6:
Paul: why I can't trust Paul.
He was not a disciple of Jesus Christ to begin with, he only claimed to have met Jesus in a vision. Reading Paul's letters you can tell he was in constant serious conflict with the disciples, he called their gospel a no gospel at all and I believed they would have said the same about the gospel he claimed to have received from Christ and there should not have been a serious conflict if the canonical gospels truly represent the beliefs of the apostles because the canonical gospels is greatly in line with Pauls teachings.
Until u can convincingly refute the Corinthian creed evidence. This Paul noise is becoming stale.
All evidence points towards the early disciples of Jesus led by James and Peter preached that Christ died for the sins of Mankind.
Qasim6:
Mark: why I can't trust mark
On a closer look at marks gospel, we can see who ever wrote mark had been exposed to Paul's teachings he used similar languages to Paul, Jesus nullifying the mosaic law(declaring all food clean); Mark represented the apostles/Mary in bad light they lack faith and they all just don't understand anything Jesus was saying or anything about him, we have Jesus calling Peter Satan, James that later became the head of Jerusalem church as an unbeliever, Gentiles responding best to his teachings in Decapolis and Tyre.
I hope u know Mark narrated the gospel account according to Peter.
There's clear cut evidence for this.

Qasim6:
Mathew and Luke: why I can't trust them
On a closer look, you can see what they were doing with Marks gospel, trying to mitigate the bad representation of the apostles, in Mathew we see Jesus telling the apostles not to go to the gentiles.....
Like and Mathew mentioned multiple places where Jesus declared his message and gospel is for the gentiles.
Qasim6:
John: why I can't trust John
John is just John, I think for anyone to even trust Johns gospel it's going to be on faith ground.
Which now begs the question: are these guys even writing history or just agendas?
No, the gospel is John can be backed by the synoptic gospels. I just don't have that time to show u how the synoptic gospels gives credibility to the John gospel.

Qasim6:
How can we now know what Jesus did say and did not say, we have to go back to the disciples, unfortunately we just can't lay our hands on anything that is genuinely from them and it is not out of the fact that they did not write anything, we see Papias describing a gospel written by Matthew that is different from Matthew we ended up with, sadly somehow their writings did not see the light of the day.

So everything still fall on Paul and yeah Paul is the problem. He laid the faulty foundation for you Trinitarians.
Ok I don't want to go into gospel textual criticism and historicity with u. That would be a whole topic on its own.

But let me ask u a question? Muhammed received divine revelation and mentioned the injil that Jesus supposedly taught.

Can u tell me something new in that injil that Jesus taught that's not already know to Christians.
Can u tell me anything new about the injil in the revelation of Muhammed?
Muhammed revealed nothing new about Jesus Christ that's not already in our canonical gospel books or the Apocrypha.
Whatever is written about Jesus in the Quran isn't any divine revelation because it's already known

So it's either there's nothing Jesus Christ preached that's not already in the gospel books we have or Muhammed didn't receive any revelation at all.

The later is likely the case. I dont believe God will declare the message delivered by a Prophet corrupted without giving any hint at all about what the actual message should be or look like.

Muhammed and his Quran gave no hint at all about what is in the original injil. Whatever he delivered is already in the so called corrupted injil.

Think Qasim and fellow Muslims, u guys should think.

Maybe that's why the first Christian convert to Islam reverted back to Christianity.
He was a scribe for Muhammed and used to recite surah Imran.
When he reverted he said 'Muhammed knows nothing but that which I write for him'

U know the interesting part, surah Imran recited by this Christian is the one about Mary and nativity of Jesus.

U don't need to be a genius to join the links together.

Sahih al-Bukhari 3617

Narrated Anas:
There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-`Imran, and he used to write for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him."
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 11:59pm On Dec 07, 2025
@Qasim6

This is a very interesting article written by Bart Erhman, Muslims favourite NT scholar about this 2 powers in heaven belief by 2nd temple Jews.
The clown doffman has disowned him, I dont know if u will join him in rejecting your beloved NT scholar.

This was published by Paul Williams, an ex supposed 'born again christian' who converted to Islam, and now a popular Muslim apologetic.

Bart Ehrman – Two Powers in Heaven
By paulwilliamsbloggingtheologycom on September 9, 2016 • ( 40 )


(Published on 8 Sept 2016)
‘Rabbinical scholar Alan Segal produced what is still the major work on the idea of Two Powers in Heaven in Jewish thought. Segal argued that the Two Powers idea was not deemed heretical in Jewish theology until the 2nd century a.d. He carefully traced the roots of the teaching back into the 2nd Temple era (ca. 200 b.c.). Segal was able to establish that the idea’s antecedents were in the Hebrew Bible, specifically passages like Daniel 7:9ff., Exodus 23:20-23, and Exodus 15:3. However, he was unable to discern any coherent religious framework from which these passages and others were conceptually derived. Persian dualism was unacceptable as an explanation since neither of the Two Powers in heaven were evil. Segal speculated that the divine warrior imagery of the broader ancient near east likely had some relationship.

The ancient Israelite knew two Yahwehs—one invisible, a spirit, the other visible, often in human form. The two Yahwehs at times appear together in the text, at times being distinguished, at other times not.

Early Judaism understood this portrayal and its rationale. There was no sense of a violation of monotheism since either figure was indeed Yahweh. There was no 2nd distinct god running the affairs of the cosmos.

During the 2nd Temple period, Jewish theologians and writers speculated on an identity for the 2nd Yahweh. Guesses ranged from divinized humans from the stories of the Hebrew Bible to exalted angels. These speculations were not considered unorthodox.

That acceptance changed when certain Jews, the early Christians, connected Jesus with this orthodox Jewish idea. This explains why these Jews, the first converts to following Jesus the Christ, could simultaneously worship the God of Israel and Jesus, and yet refuse to acknowledge any other god. Jesus was the incarnate 2nd Yahweh. In response, as Segal’s work demonstrated, Judaism pronounced the Two Powers teaching a heresy sometime in the 2nd century AD.’
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 3:53am On Dec 08, 2025
doffman:
My special agbako student , where are you since ; I have been looking for you nah .

This your repetition will never help you o .

Are you ready to answer my only question now ?


As I already answered your questions , Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

You can consult your new senior man here to help you nah if e fit run it for you 😀


Your daily preaching …..


Are you ready to stop being a Paulinah ?

In case you want to reunite with your creator , repeat after me :

I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God
Alagbaako boy,

We read about Hindus rounding their shrine which is a ritual called Pradakshina or Parikrama, which means circumambulation, you in Islam did the same by circumbulating Kaaba called Tawaf. Looking at the below 👇 picture, can you convince us that your religion is not idolism in nature?

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 3:56am On Dec 08, 2025
doffman:
My special agbako student , where are you since ; I have been looking for you nah .

This your repetition will never help you o .

Are you ready to answer my only question now ?


As I already answered your questions , Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

You can consult your new senior man here to help you nah if e fit run it for you 😀


Your daily preaching …..


Are you ready to stop being a Paulinah ?

In case you want to reunite with your creator , repeat after me :

I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God
Where is quran 16:97 from all you said above you this agbakko boy?

I will come back to the second question later!
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Antiislaam(m): 10:09am On Dec 08, 2025
slamVIRGINS:
Alagbaako boy,

We read about Hindus rounding their shrine which is a ritual called Pradakshina or Parikrama, which means circumambulation, you in Islam did the same by circumbulating Kaaba called Tawaf. Looking at the below 👇 picture, can you convince us that your religion is not idolism in nature?
Sule doffman pele sogbo
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by dofman: 10:51am On Dec 08, 2025
SIRTeee15:
WAS IT JESUS THAT KICKED THE JEWS OUT OF THE KINGDOM OR PAUL?

Mathew 8
When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


WHO EXTENDED THE HAND OF FELLOWSHIP OF THE KINGDOM TO THE GENTILES?
JESUS OR PAUL?

Matthew 21
42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’[h]?
43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.


I DON'T PREACH RELIGION BECAUSE ALL RELIGIONS ARE MAN MADE DESIGNED FOR CONTROL, I PREACH THE CHURCH ESTABLISHED BY JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.

Matthew 16
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it


IF JESUS COMES BACK AND DOESN'T FIND YOU IN HIS CHURCH YOU ARE DOOMED. continue playing religion with your destiny.

Bye, but don't say I didn't warn u.

when u are ready to know if Jesus is a mere prophet or God, answer my question and we will delve into Christology of Christ
Why is another person in the Old Testament worshipped and called God Almighty apart from God the Father.

otherwise follow my argument with your fellow Muslim here, Qasim who has shown more coherence in matters of theology than u.

Bye
😀😀😀😀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bye keh . Never!

You must defend what you claimed or else ; you need to abandon your paulin religion .

You rush to quoted me and said Jesus never preached any religion and he is not a Christian ; I am only asking you since you know that , why are you here preaching Christianity since Jesus never preached Christianity nah. Come on , this is so glaring , you are preaching paul religion called Christianity.

Your master called Paul said he robbed church to serve you guys with lies . 😀

Corinthians 11:8
New International Version
I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you.

In addition , read Ezekiel 18:20 , you will carry your own sin o . Nobody will sacrificed himself for previous people for their sin . Everyone will carrying his or her sin .

You can talk directly to the God for forgiveness , he is a merciful God ; yours is to just ask him and submissive to him , no need for any god cricification . Forgiveness is the most simplest things you can ask , and you will get it instantly . The first commandment and step to enter paradise is to never associate anything with God, you must call him alone for help . He is one , he as no partners , he did jot depend on anything ; all other things depend on him .


Surah Az-Zumar (39:53): "Say, 'O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning]! Do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.'" (Highlights Allah's universal forgiveness for sincere believers).

If you repent today and stop being a Paul follower , Allah will forgive you without any sacrifice of anybody . No need of 🩸 .


Which church Jesus built for you guys nah , 😀

Has Jesus told you to worship in church every Sunday dancing 💃 and clapping 👏 ; reason nah .

Up till now , you have not quoted any verses superior to this : Matthew 22:36-40:
New International Version
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

[b]As you can see, no any sacrificial blood stuff , if it will be , Jesus would have told the person that he should not worry that he will sacrifice himself 😀. Just reason nah !


Any other commandments apart from above are lies .

This commandment has been preserved by God starting from previous prophets ; read Deuteronomy 7:9-12
"Therefore know that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments; and He repays those who hate Him to their face, to destroy them. He will not be slack with him who hates Him; He will repay him to his face. Therefore you shall keep the commandment, the statutes, and the judgments which I command you today, to observe them. “

The new commandment were created by Christians religion founder . That Paul ennn . He really finished you guys .


Anyway , it is not by force to know and serve the truth God .

The truth is clear , na you decided to be a Paul follower and go astray . May Allah show you the way ; If I were born to Christianity like you , I would have been here abusing Muslims and shouting jesuuuu around nah ; so I i understand . We that we found ourselves Muslim by default , no be our power . Alhamdulillah.

I thank Allah oo to be born as a Muslim and still exist as a Muslim .

That is exactly why Quran confirmed that Jesus never preached anything other than what other previous prophets preached . Quran casted your lies in bible .

Read : Quran 5: 117

I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah—my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me,1 You were the Witness over them—and You are a Witness over all things.”


If you want to see and reunite with Jesus (pbuh) , you must me a Muslim because , that Jesus (pbuh) will deny you and he will never allow you guys to put him in trouble ; na you decided to worship another gods .

Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:116): "And [mention] when Allah will say, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, “Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?”' He will say, 'Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that which I had no right to say. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is in my soul, and I do not know what is in Your soul. Indeed, You are the Knower of the unseen'".

Anyway if you decide to repent , you don’t need any blood 🩸 sacrifice , this is what you need it will change you from being a p*g*n .

Repeat after me
I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God



🥷 🗡️.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 11:21am On Dec 08, 2025
IslamVIRGINS:
Alagbaako boy,

We read about Hindus rounding their shrine which is a ritual called Pradakshina or Parikrama, which means circumambulation, you in Islam did the same by circumbulating Kaaba called Tawaf. Looking at the below 👇 picture, can you convince us that your religion is not idolism in nature?
Antiislaam:
Sule doffman pele sogbo
IslamVIRGINS:
Where is quran 16:97 from all you said above you this agbakko boy?

I will come back to the second question later!
My special agbako student ,😀😀😀😀

Eya Pele ooo , you want us to be like your people right agaaa.

Oya read :
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:125): "And [mention] when We made the House a place of return for the people and a sanctuary. And take, from the standing place of Abraham, a place of prayer. And We commanded Abraham and Ishmael, 'Purify My House for those who circumambulate it, those who are secluded in it, and those who bow and prostrate.'".

How far now ?


If I start with you sharing you pictures of your religion, you will run oooo. Ask your fellow guy here 😀😀


Preaching……


I just Dey pity you , na so you will go astray bayiii .

In case you want to reunite with your creator , repeat after me :

I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God


No be you here sir with your god here ?😀

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 11:26am On Dec 08, 2025
AntiisIam:
Ogbeni sule
This your agbako seh ? Chai

Agbako religion indeed . Ahaa

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 11:59am On Dec 08, 2025
doffman:
This your agbako seh ? Chai

Agbako religion indeed . Ahaa
Sule'bira,

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 12:14pm On Dec 08, 2025
doffman:
My special agbako student ,😀😀😀😀

Eya Pele ooo , you want us to be like your people right agaaa.

Oya read :
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:125): "And [mention] when We made the House a place of return for the people and a sanctuary. And take, from the standing place of Abraham, a place of prayer. And We commanded Abraham and Ishmael, 'Purify My House for those who circumambulate it, those who are secluded in it, and those who bow and prostrate.'".

How far now ?


If I start with you sharing you pictures of your religion, you will run oooo. Ask your fellow guy here 😀😀


Preaching……


I just Dey pity you , na so you will go astray bayiii .

In case you want to reunite with your creator , repeat after me :

I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God


No be you here sir with your god here ?😀
Sule depe,

See as obinrin dey give you woto-woto, quote wetin she ask you to quote nau
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 8:05pm On Dec 08, 2025
dofman:
😀😀😀😀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bye keh . Never!

You must defend what you claimed or else ; you need to abandon your paulin religion .

You rush to quoted me and said Jesus never preached any religion and he is not a Christian ; I am only asking you since you know that , why are you here preaching Christianity since Jesus never preached Christianity nah. Come on , this is so glaring , you are preaching paul religion called Christianity.

Your master called Paul said he robbed church to serve you guys with lies . 😀

Corinthians 11:8
New International Version
I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you.

In addition , read Ezekiel 18:20 , you will carry your own sin o . Nobody will sacrificed himself for previous people for their sin . Everyone will carrying his or her sin .

You can talk directly to the God for forgiveness , he is a merciful God ; yours is to just ask him and submissive to him , no need for any god cricification . Forgiveness is the most simplest things you can ask , and you will get it instantly . The first commandment and step to enter paradise is to never associate anything with God, you must call him alone for help . He is one , he as no partners , he did jot depend on anything ; all other things depend on him .


Surah Az-Zumar (39:53): "Say, 'O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning]! Do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.'" (Highlights Allah's universal forgiveness for sincere believers).

If you repent today and stop being a Paul follower , Allah will forgive you without any sacrifice of anybody . No need of 🩸 .


Which church Jesus built for you guys nah , 😀

Has Jesus told you to worship in church every Sunday dancing 💃 and clapping 👏 ; reason nah .

Up till now , you have not quoted any verses superior to this : Matthew 22:36-40:
New International Version
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

[b]As you can see, no any sacrificial blood stuff , if it will be , Jesus would have told the person that he should not worry that he will sacrifice himself 😀. Just reason nah !


Any other commandments apart from above are lies .

This commandment has been preserved by God starting from previous prophets ; read Deuteronomy 7:9-12
"Therefore know that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments; and He repays those who hate Him to their face, to destroy them. He will not be slack with him who hates Him; He will repay him to his face. Therefore you shall keep the commandment, the statutes, and the judgments which I command you today, to observe them. “

The new commandment were created by Christians religion founder . That Paul ennn . He really finished you guys .


Anyway , it is not by force to know and serve the truth God .

The truth is clear , na you decided to be a Paul follower and go astray . May Allah show you the way ; If I were born to Christianity like you , I would have been here abusing Muslims and shouting jesuuuu around nah ; so I i understand . We that we found ourselves Muslim by default , no be our power . Alhamdulillah.

I thank Allah oo to be born as a Muslim and still exist as a Muslim .

That is exactly why Quran confirmed that Jesus never preached anything other than what other previous prophets preached . Quran casted your lies in bible .

Read : Quran 5: 117

I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah—my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me,1 You were the Witness over them—and You are a Witness over all things.”


If you want to see and reunite with Jesus (pbuh) , you must me a Muslim because , that Jesus (pbuh) will deny you and he will never allow you guys to put him in trouble ; na you decided to worship another gods .

Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:116): "And [mention] when Allah will say, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, “Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?”' He will say, 'Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that which I had no right to say. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is in my soul, and I do not know what is in Your soul. Indeed, You are the Knower of the unseen'".

Anyway if you decide to repent , you don’t need any blood 🩸 sacrifice , this is what you need it will change you from being a p*g*n .

Repeat after me
I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God



🥷 🗡️.
clown, Ezekiel wont safe u from your ignorance. obviously u have never read the book of Ezekiel in your life Mr bible expert, but just vomiting dawah script up and down.

LET'S GO BACK TO THE BOOK OF EZEKIEL AND SEE IF GOD TOLD SOMEONE TO BEAR THE SINS OF ANOTHER PERSONS.



Ezekiel 4
The LORD said to Ezekiel....

4 “Then lie on your left side and put the sin of the people of Israel upon yourself . You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side. 5 I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the people of Israel.

6 “After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the people of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year.


This clown thought running to the old testament will help with his weak and lame argument. Now come and explain why God told Ezekiel to carry the sins of Israel.
Doffman where are u going to run to now, New testament- Jesus said I came to dir for mankind. Old testament- Ezekiel carried the sins of Israelites.
so where's your next escape route?

Even his your own book says Allah will force Christians and Jews to bear the sins of Muslims.
Abu Burda reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to 'Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah's Apostle (ﷺ)? I said: Yes.
Sahih Muslim 2767d

Doffman, have u found the christian that will carry your sin? which christian are u hoping to carry your mountain of sins? Did any Christian tell u he came to the world to carry your sins?
Where is Allah going to find Christians that will carry your mountain of sin.

Mr Man, even u know your book is a joke, that's why u shouted Lies when u first read it. U were shocked at the hadith.

Why don't u accept the only Person who said he came to carry the sins of the whole mankind? WHY ARE U REJECTING THE OBVIOUS TRUTH.

DOFFMAN FOLLOW THE TRUE CHRIST NOT THAT FAKE ONE DESCRIBED BY THAT YOUR 419 PROPHET
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 8:24pm On Dec 08, 2025
doffman:
My special agbako student ,😀😀😀😀

Eya Pele ooo , you want us to be like your people right agaaa.

Oya read :
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:125): "And [mention] when We made the House a place of return for the people and a sanctuary. And take, from the standing place of Abraham, a place of prayer. And We commanded Abraham and Ishmael, 'Purify My House for those who circumambulate it, those who are secluded in it, and those who bow and prostrate.'".

How far now ?


If I start with you sharing you pictures of your religion, you will run oooo. Ask your fellow guy here 😀😀


Preaching……


I just Dey pity you , na so you will go astray bayiii .

In case you want to reunite with your creator , repeat after me :

I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God


No be you here sir with your god here ?😀
Is your religion not exact the same with Hinduism?
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 8:26pm On Dec 08, 2025
doffman:
My special agbako student ,😀😀😀😀

Eya Pele ooo , you want us to be like your people right agaaa.

Oya read :
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:125): "And [mention] when We made the House a place of return for the people and a sanctuary. And take, from the standing place of Abraham, a place of prayer. And We commanded Abraham and Ishmael, 'Purify My House for those who circumambulate it, those who are secluded in it, and those who bow and prostrate.'".

How far now ?


If I start with you sharing you pictures of your religion, you will run oooo. Ask your fellow guy here 😀😀


Preaching……


I just Dey pity you , na so you will go astray bayiii .

In case you want to reunite with your creator , repeat after me :

I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God


No be you here sir with your god here ?😀
Quote quran 16:97 you refused, where is it in Quran and not Hadith that you will take your body to paradise, you still refuse to answer that you this agbakko boy
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by dofman: 11:07am On Dec 09, 2025
SIRTee15:
clown, Ezekiel wont safe u from your ignorance. obviously u have never read the book of Ezekiel in your life Mr bible expert, but just vomiting dawah script up and down.

LET'S GO BACK TO THE BOOK OF EZEKIEL AND SEE IF GOD TOLD SOMEONE TO BEAR THE SINS OF ANOTHER PERSONS.



Ezekiel 4
The LORD said to Ezekiel....

4 “Then lie on your left side and put the sin of the people of Israel upon yourself . You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side. 5 I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the people of Israel.

6 “After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the people of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year.


This clown thought running to the old testament will help with his weak and lame argument. Now come and explain why God told Ezekiel to carry the sins of Israel.
Doffman where are u going to run to now, New testament- Jesus said I came to dir for mankind. Old testament- Ezekiel carried the sins of Israelites.
so where's your next escape route?

Even his your own book says Allah will force Christians and Jews to bear the sins of Muslims.
Abu Burda reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to 'Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah's Apostle (ﷺ)? I said: Yes.
Sahih Muslim 2767d

Doffman, have u found the christian that will carry your sin? which christian are u hoping to carry your mountain of sins? Did any Christian tell u he came to the world to carry your sins?
Where is Allah going to find Christians that will carry your mountain of sin.

Mr Man, even u know your book is a joke, that's why u shouted Lies when u first read it. U were shocked at the hadith.

Why don't u accept the only Person who said he came to carry the sins of the whole mankind? WHY ARE U REJECTING THE OBVIOUS TRUTH.

DOFFMAN FOLLOW THE TRUE CHRIST NOT THAT FAKE ONE DESCRIBED BY THAT YOUR 419 PROPHET
This pagan never stop lying 😀😀😀 you will carry your own sun seh , you din alone and you must face God alone for it .

Has the Hadith you quoted ever told you Jews and Christian will carry the sins for Muslims ahaaa. Nawa o ; no wonder Paul see you people well and trick you well ; must you lie ?

The meaning of this hadeeth is the same as the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah: “For each person there is a place in Paradise and a place in Hell.” When the believer enters Paradise, his place in Hell is taken over by the kaafir( pagan ) because he deserves that because of his kufr(paganism)

The Hadith (Sahih Muslim 2767d) means that on the Day of Resurrection, some Muslims with immense sins will be forgiven by Allah's mercy, and the Jews and Christians who are destined for Hell due to their disbelief and rejection of the Prophet Muhammad's message will occupy the places in Hell that the sinful Muslims might otherwise have filled.

Quran has explained it , you will carry your own sin :
And no bearer of burdens shall bear another’s burden” [Faatir 35:18]

It is your act and belief that will dictate your destination of either paradise or 🔥 . This is exactly why I am preaching to you now before you kpai .

I just pity you , if you don’t want to fill a place of hell 🔥 of someone , you must worship only one God and become a Muslim. That Hadith has even nailed you further . The paradise is for all people who do not associate any gods with God . Be wise o and you are warned .


Back to my point .


Open your bible and read Mark 12:29-31
New International Version :

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[b] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”


As you can see , there is no any commandment greater than worshiping only one God .

Now , ask your self , if you kpai today in this your current paganism , where are you going ? 😀. Hell 🔥 straight !
This is so glaring .

Preaching ….,,

The only commandment to enter paradise is to worship only one God .

Are you ready to stop being a Paul follower ?

Oya repeat after me , I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by dofman: 11:16am On Dec 09, 2025
AntiisIam:
Sule'bira,
When are you going to marry bayi ? 😀😀

Oya nah .

Agbakaaaaaan religion ahaa

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by dofman: 11:34am On Dec 09, 2025
IslamVIRGINS:
Quote quran 16:97 you refused, where is it in Quran and not Hadith that you will take your body to paradise, you still refuse to answer that you this agbakko boy
IslamVIRGINS:
Is your religion not exact the same with Hinduism?
My special Paulinah student 😀😀😀 see how I reset you and level you to the ground and put you to repetition mode ahaaa 🥷

Whosoever works righteousness, whether male or female, while he(or she) is a true believer, We will give a good life. (An-Nahl 16:97).

Oya repeat it again nah 🤣 which paradise your own god promised you ?


How far now? 😀😀

You don’t cast las las . Even if you continue to repeat same thing over and over you will still collect it .

That only question you are running away from , it will alway hunt in this forum .

Oya gbegesi ;😀

As I already answered your questions , Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?




Your daily preaching.

A she -pagan still want to follow Paul to hell 🔥

In case if you want to stop being Paulinah , Repeat after me
I bear witness that No any God except Allah and Muhammad is the last prophet of God







Question 1. Why Muslim worship in Makkah ?

In islam , Muslim worship no any person or thing expect Allah . Kaaba 🕋 is only use for reference point for unified direction for all Muslim to pray . Allah commanded it and ask those who believe to prayed facing Kaaba 🕋.


Surah 2:144: I quote

"We see you turning your face towards heaven. Now We will make you turn towards a direction... that will please you. So turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque [in Mecca]—wherever you are, turn your faces towards it".


Surah 2:149:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque".

Surah 2:150:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque...".


The verses emphasize that turning towards the Kaaba is a command from God, not an act of worship towards the structure itself. It serves as a central point of prayer for Muslims worldwide, symbolizing unity.

Now if the God(Allah ) himself commanded us to face that place during prayer does, who are you or fellow pagan to tell us not ?

Before Muhammad arrived , previous believers have been praying to one God facing direction of Jerusalem . Read Daniel 6:10, which states that Daniel prayed with his windows open toward Jerusalem.

This is also supported by 1 Kings 8:29-30, Solomon's prayer for those who pray toward the Temple in Jerusalem,

and 2 Chronicles 6:20, which echoes this sentiment. These verses describe the practice as directing prayer toward Jerusalem or the Temple as a way of showing faith and remembrance.

Facing a sacred place during prayer does not mean you are worshiping them. As they face the place , they give the glory to Allah , the lords of all the words .

Every mosque 🕌 you see close to your house is facing Kaaba 🕋 direction .

Go do your personal research and learn .

Hatred toward Islam can never favour you . Those that tried it , where are they now ; Islam is still dominating .,


Quran 61:8

They wish to extinguish Allah’s light with their mouths, but Allah will ˹certainly˺ perfect His light, even to the dismay of the disbelievers




QUESTION 2.
Where is it written in Quran that you are taking your body to paradise?


ANSWER :

Quran 7:46

There will be a barrier between Paradise and Hell. And on the heights of that barrier will be people who will recognize ˹the residents of both by their appearance.

They will call out to the residents of Paradise, “Peace be upon you!” They will have not yet entered Paradise, but eagerly hope to.


Now from the above verse , is that spirit in paradise or people ( human) ? 😂


The soul of the believer is a bird that is nourished from the trees of Paradise, until Allah returns it to its body on the Day when he is resurrected.” (Al-Nasa’i, Ibn Majah, Ahmad, Malik; Sahih)

Did you not see that soul retuned to the body ? 😂

Did you see soul there ; I asked you again ?


Now , let me me split it for you so that your cerebellum can process it :

During their journeys through this universe, the soul and its body travel through four different worlds:

1. The womb - where the soul joins its body.

2. At Death: The soul leaves the body.

3. In the Grave (Barzakh): The soul temporarily returns to the body to be questioned about the deceased's beliefs and deeds.

4. Day of Judgment: The soul is reunited with the body in the most complete and final form, a process known as the resurrection. This will be a literal and physical reunion, where people will recognize each other.

If you want to learn , come and learn and leave your Pauline religion .


And don’t forget , your book say you guys have 100 wives 😂 how far ?


QUESTION 3:
While you males get seventy two girls in Janah, what will your female counterparts get? perhaps seventy two young men, back your answer with Quran reference!

ANSWER

Why your god in your man made bible promise your men 100 wives ?

While your god in your man made bible share 16,000 virgin girls ? Why not sharing men 😂

Also, did God question Solomon of marrying many wives ?

Since God did not questioning him for that , why are you feel pain of that nah or you are jealous 😂


Moreover , It is a blessing to be a female in Islam same with a man .


Never will I allow to be lost the work of any of you, [b][/b]male or female. (Aal lmran 2:195)

Whosoever works righteousness, whether male or female, while he(or she) is a true believer, We will give a good life. (An-Nahl 16:97)

And whoever does righteous good deeds, being a male or a female, and is a true believer, such will enter Paradise. (An-Nisaa’ 4:124)


Now let back to your bible as see how your females are being used 😂

Numbers 31:40-42

40 and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the Lord’s share.

Why girls were shared and not boys or men ?

What is the gain of woman nah ? Ahaaa

Why only girls or woman are using for sharing ?.
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by dofman: 11:40am On Dec 09, 2025
AntiisIam:
Sule depe,

See as obinrin dey give you woto-woto, quote wetin she ask you to quote nau
😀😀😀😀 all your seniors in this forum have been defeated in this forum 🥷🗡️. Bring me more nah .

If you fit , you can rescure her from me nah . I have already set her into repetition mode . I have warn her severally before . She did not fit and she has been begging for my attention so long and now I am dealing with her heavily ahaa .

Oya, rescure her nah and gbegesi , if you fit …,,😀

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

Thank you . Lolz


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Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 12:38pm On Dec 09, 2025
dofman:
😀😀😀😀 all your seniors in this forum have been defeated in this forum 🥷🗡️. Bring me more nah .

If you fit , you can rescure her from me nah . I have already set her into repetition mode . I have warn her severally before . She did not fit and she has been begging for my attention so long and now I am dealing with her heavily ahaa .

Oya, rescure her nah and gbegesi , if you fit …,,😀

Show me from your bible , a single verse where Jesus told you that your man made bible is the book of your religion and you should follow it. After all; you guys preached from it nah ?

Thank you . Lolz


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Omi eran,

You and imam e Iropoju of ACADIP should be awarded senior advocate of taqqiya.

If dem ask your imam Iropoju question he no go answer as we dey ask you questions here wey you too no dey answer. So sufu, na who you com defeat bayii ebira?

You dey chop am from Islam-VIRGINS, Right-Channel, etc jor what is the koko of you here gan self
Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 12:47pm On Dec 09, 2025
dofman:
When are you going to marry bayi ? 😀😀

Oya nah .

Agbakaaaaaan religion ahaa
Sule,

Eleyi ma wa okay fun awon sisters e,

You kuku know say ati Hindu and Islam na the same you be. Hindu dey circling their shrine and you dey rounding your Kaaba too

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