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AngelahFlo:
Mr Truthseeker you ask questions that reveal the foolishness and delusions of men which is good but there's a time and place for that. When you notice like this brother of ours Mr budaatum spouting things like this then you should know that he'll never accept that he's wrong. Why his Pride won't let him. It's the same thing that did Lucifer who became satan in. He never admitted defeat even when it's glaring that he has failed and can never win.

sonmvayina:
God is just personification of consciousness.
The universal divine consciousness. Not a bearded Jewish man up in the sky.
Then the lower case G, are the personification of the laws and principles of life....what the yorubas call orishas.

Nothing more.

Truthseeker10:
So when is the time and when is the place?

AngelahFlo:
Mr Truthseeker you ask questions that reveal the foolishness and delusions of men which is good but there's a time and place for that. When you notice like this brother of ours Mr budaatum spouting things like this then you should know that he'll never accept that he's wrong. Why his Pride won't let him. It's the same thing that did Lucifer who became satan in. He never admitted defeat even when it's glaring that he has failed and can never win.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣you are funny.....so God was telling the image without a body to eat fruit from the tree in Genesis 1:29?

Below is Genesis 2:7

King James Bible
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Oga where does the Bible teach that God put an image into a suit?
Does the verse above not teach that man and not suit was made from the dust?

Below is Genesis 3:19.

King James Bible
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return

Did God claim above that Adam was not dust but an image without a physical body?

AngelahFlo:
You're equally funny Mr Truthseeker. Too much truth seeking has made you not see what's glaring. What the Word of God says concerning Adam was that He was given a body to enable him fulfill the purpose of his creation which was to replenish, subdue and exercise dominion. Adam is still the Man God created in Genesis 1:26

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣 Kindly show me the verse where the image was given a suit na.

Where is your so called "suit" recorded in Genesis 2:7?

Below is Genesis 2:7

King James Bible
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Kindly point out the suit above in the verse.
Does the above verse say God formed suit of the dust?

AngelahFlo:
Listen to yourself just pay attention to the words you just penned. Mr Truthseeker too much truth seeking is really harmful to the spirit not only the soul. When God formed man from the dust of the earth before He breathed into the man was there any mention of man being a living being?

Our body is our earth suit enabling us to interact with this Terra Firma but the real us is the breath that God breathed into the formed man. When we die, this body goes back to the dust whence it came from while the real man goes back to the Source which is God. You don't have to see the word "suit"[/b]in the Bible to know that this body of ours is no different from the clothes you wear to cover your unclothedness. You should just...
Words simply fail me

AngelahFlo:
Listen to yourself just pay attention to the words you just penned. Mr Truthseeker too much truth seeking is really harmful to the spirit not only the soul. When God formed man from the dust of the earth before He breathed into the man was there any mention of man being a living being?

Truthseeker10:
So according to Genesis 2:4, what made the man a living being, is it not the breath of life, are insinuating that Adam was a living being without the body from the dust?

Are you saying that Adam was not a human being after he was made from the dust without the breath of life?

Are you saying that the Adam was the breath that gave him life and not the dust in which the bible said that adam was formed from?


LOL....So Adam was with God in heaven before coming to earth and went back to God in heaven after sinning against God and dying?

Is your submission above in agreement with what God told Adam in Genesis 3:19, Did God claim in that verse that Adam was breath of life or dust?

AngelahFlo:
I'll break this down to you in plain terms once and then close up on this. I love our discussion and it's good to know we disagree to agree. When God created Man in His image and Likeness and gave them dominion over all the creatures and replenish the earth and subdue it. The being God created was simply called "Man". He created them Male and Female which existed in one form which was the created being He created. When God formed Man from the dust of the earth He did that to enable the created Man to be able to accomplish the earthly assignment He had in mind for Man to accomplish.
Now after breathing into the formed man which became a living soul, this living being (the formed man which is now a living soul) was called "Adam" because of where and the substance he was made of. Adam means earth or mud or sand.

The name is simply an identity of where he was formed from.

The formed man and the Created Man are one and the same. One is a Spirit being created in the image of God and His likeness while the other formed man is a suit that houses the created man so he can accomplish the earthly assignment of replenishing, dominating and subduing. If you don't still get this then it's well. I hope you understand me to this point

Truthseeker10:
According to the bolded above, in what form were they created, in the form of breath of life?



Kindly show me in Genesis 2:7 where a created man was put into a formed man.

King James Bible
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Was there any indication of God talking to a created man apart from a "formed man" in Genesis 3:19?

If you say that the created man and the formed man are one and the same, are you saying that the breath of life and the man made from dust are the same according to your earlier submission?

AngelahFlo:
Young man if you're saying that the created man and the formed man are two different entities then you must be really confused. The created man in Gen 1:26 and 27 and the formed man in Genesis 2 are one and the same. If you're looking for a literal text for proof I think you should check other versions. Truth is I don't want us arguing this cos it's pointless. The formed man is the created man inhabiting an earthly body to be able to fulfill the purpose of what he was created to accomplish. Can't believe I'm going over this. If you don't understand it. Please leave well alone. This isn't even a mystery. It's very glaring and clear.

Truthseeker10:
Lol....you are funny.....you said that the created man is the breath of life in Genesis 2:7. So are you now saying that the breath of life is a man and that it is the same as the man made from dust?

You mean breath that gives life in every living creature is a man?🤣🤣 na wa oo🤣

So according to your teaching on this thread, breath of life and suit are the same.....and they are both a man?🤣🤣🤣

AngelahFlo:
Too much truth seeking has really gotten into your head. What is the breath of life to you? Is it mere air or is it a spirit? Answer that first and let's take it from there. I don't know which of us has really missed the point. If you can explain to me what the breath of life that God breathed into the formed man is that made the formed man became a living soul then we are getting somewhere. Naturally I won't argue this with you but for the benefit of others who might be derailed with your line of thought let's do this.

Truthseeker10:
So if the breath of life is a spirit, the spirit is the same thing as the man made from dust?

Is it only humans that have the breath of life?

AngelahFlo:
You love to ask questions Mr Truthseeker so I'll answer your questions and ask you a series of mine too. Man isn't the only creature that has the breath of life. All His creations has the breath of life which includes the animals and the creeping things but Man is the only creature that was created in the image and likeness of God and the reason was for man to be able to have a relationship with God that was different from the rest. This was the reason he made man to be a creature that will dominate and replenish this earth and be an extension of Him on the earth. After He created the man in Gen 1:26, God formed man from the dust of the earth and breathed into the formed man the breath of life thus making the formed man a living soul. It's been argued that the formed man and the Created man are two different entities which is very wrong.
It's like saying that the Trinity is wrong that God the Father is different from God the Son and the Holy Spirit which is wrong cos they're one and the same. That topic is for another day. Now Mr Truthseeker by disputing the reality that Adam is the created man of Gen 1:26 in the flesh is to also disbelieve the plan of God for salvation. Have you ever wondered why the Devil came in the guise of a serpent to deceive Eve and Adam in order to take control of the world that was formerly under the control of man?

Read Gen 3:1 and you'll understand why the devil had to steal by deceit man's control of the world from man.

My question is in two folds
If your claim that the created man and the formed man are two different entities, who did the devil beguile or deceive was it The formed man Adam or the created man?
If your answer to the above is Adam then what became of the created man of Gen 1:26 and why did God began the process of redemption which culminated in him coming to earth in human form to die for our sins thus reconciling us back to God?
If you can't provide me with an intelligent answer to this two questions then you should really question your truth seeking

AngelahFlo:
Good morning Guys
A beautiful wet morning to you on this side of Lagos Nigeria. I have a very interesting thread to share this morning which you'll find informative and inspiring as well.

Who was Adam before He fell? To answer the question we look into the word of God as it states in Gen 1:26 which says and God said "Let us make Man in our image and likeness and let them have dominion over the sea creatures over the land centuries and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

The man Adam was created in the image and likeness of God to be a representative of Him on this earth and to rule this earth and make it a peaceful perfect environment for all God's creation. Adam who was God's crowning masterpiece was a wonder to behold. The man Adam was an excellent specimen from the crown of his head to the sole of his feet. Not only was he beautiful to behold, he was also supernaturally intelligent. He operated on a level of knowledge that's rare among ordinary men today. Adam had Intuitive Knowledge which is a branch of knowledge that makes you know things by intuition. It was higher than that of any genius today and before now. If you thought was smart and intelligent or you thought Kepler the man who came up with the Napierian Log tables or even Steve Jobs who invented the Apple Software and hardware and every other genius past and present including the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt and the Babylonians. If you think these guys were geniuses with their architectural wonders; check out Adam's score sheet. He named the animals single handedly and even gave Woman her name when God put him to sleep and used a rib of his to create and design man's perfect help meet. Has it occurred to you that Adam was asleep when Eve was created; yet he knew that she was bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh and shall be called Woman because she was taken out of Man.

The man Adam was a specimen. He was made to not die but to be immortal as God is being made in God's image and likeness. His body wasn't designed to age and wear off or even decay. Everything about this being was P E R F E C T until he fell.

Even after the Fall of man and the Curse of God on every living creature and everything man still enjoyed some residue of what was left of the Glory of that Adam before he fell.

The Bible lets us know in Genesis chapter 2 that there was no rain on the earth that a mist rose from the earth and condenses to form water which waters the earth. This shows us that Antedilluvian Earth was structured in a way that is not obtainable today.
First off the weather conditions wasn't as harsh as it was today. Atmospheric oxygen was higher than it is today which was why the kinda insects of that Era were giants. That aside the race of men and women of that era enjoyed extremely long lives such that the oldest recorded man on earth lived to be 969 years old. The book of Genesis chapter 5 outline a number of this men and their age before they died.

Due to the Fall of man, Sin entered the fray and Man fell short of God's standard and became a bad imitation of what he once was but because that wasn't God's original intention for creating Man, another Adam had to come in the person of Jesus to demonstrate to us who we were and how we suppose to live on earth. Jesus came to restore us to our lost Glory and to rekindle our lost relationship with God. He achieved this by stepping into our position as sinners and became Sin so that he can redeem us back to God by accepting to die on the cross. Now that has been achieved, we now have access to God through Jesus by being born again when we acknowledge his Lordship and accept him as our saviour. We can now experience the life Adam experienced in the Garden of Eden.

Now as it seems now we may not experience 100% of the life Adam had in the Garden of Eden before the Fall because the whole world at present is under the control of the wicked one who will do everything to thwart God's purpose in our life but we have a weapon which give us an edge over the devil - our unshakable faith in God's word and his promises to the redeemed of the Lord. I want you dear reader to also not miss out on this opportunity for the time is really short. Everything as we know it is winding to a close. It's like a good Hollywood movie. The boss is prepping his last act while the actor is also prepping his last act.

The Bible talks about the Unveiling of the Man of Sin A devil incarnate of a man who'll be the devil's instrument of perpetrating Satan's last act of evil on earth before Jesus comes and puts an end to his nonsense at the battle of Armageddon.
Take your stand for the Lord now dear reader by confessing the Lordship of Jesus and be born again thus escaping the evil thats coming during the Great Tribulation.

The first Adam had it all and gambled it away to the devil. Jesus our last Adam wrest it out of the devil's hand and gave it back to us. Let's side with him
Accept him now and be really free from condemnation and Judgement.

Till my next post. Be wise.

Truthseeker10:
Oga you claimed the breath of life is the created man....so are you now telling me that the same breath of life In animals is the created man?

Or are you insinuating that the breath of life in man is different from that of animals?

The only issue I have with you is what you Define the breath of life to be. Is the breath of life a man? If yes, what is the breath of life in animals?

tctrills:
You guys just make up stuff. Over 90% of this write up iis personal opinion not based on revelation. And it helps no one

AngelahFlo:
You're the most confused human being I've ever met. I just asked you a question which you tactfully dodged. All the questions you asked I've answered all and I've given some background but you...who claim to be a truth seeker can't defend the truth staring you in the face even going as far deviating from my question. You're confused whether you admit it or not. It's time you begin questioning the truth the you seek. The question isn't what you're asking me cos that isn't relevant to our discussion. Man is different from animals and as such the breath of life in animals is different from that of man. Answer my question like a man and stop running circles like a scared goat. Answer the question I asked in my earlier post and stop dodging.
Besides where did I mention that the breath of life is a man. I simply said that the breath of life in man is the created man that was breathed into the formed man to make him a living soul so that he can carry out the assignment of his being created as outlined in Genesis 1:26

AngelahFlo:
Hmm
Are you sure? Perhaps you should read your Bible again for clarity. Besides what part of it is based on personal opinion.

Dtruthspeaker:
Remember power of the tongue. The ivu has to be cusde so that evu plagues the ivu. Why do you think that the world is stopping our mouths?

It's because when we Speak in righteousness, God moves

So don't protect the evu, cuss it and expose it

Kikelomogbenga:
I'd rather rebuke the Evil so it doesn't keep spreading tall tales around. Thanks for drawing my attention to this. I doubt if he'll respond to our replies. If he does then he's really far gone.

tctrills:
8 already answered your question, almost everything in your bible is personal opinion. For example, the bible never compared Adam's intelligence to anyone. You did not have to make that up.

Truthseeker10:
1)Below is Ecclesiastics 3:19.

King James Bible
For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

New International Version
Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless.

Does the verse above say that man has a different breath from that of animals?

2)If you claim that the breath of life in man is the created man, what is the breath of life in animals?

3)Are you also saying that the created man is not a man? Did you not claim that the breath of life is the created man?

AngelahFlo:
You seem to be missing something in your argument and I'll keep.pointing you in that direction no matter all your attempts at dodging it. First off. Ecclesiastes 3:19 compared man with beats in that they all share a common fate - They die - but there's one thing that you don't know or you're not cognizant of. Humans die and their spirit go back to their creator while the animals go back to the earth whence they came from. [/b]Secondly if man and beast share the same breath why the emphasis on man alone. The Bible says that it is appointed unto men once to die and after that the Judgement. It never mentions animals. When you compare man and beast according to your bolded text of Ecclesiastes 3:19 you should take into consideration the whole text and not be confusing yourself yet the more.
[b]Third if man and beasts were one and the same why did the devil went through all the process of beguiling man in Gen 3:1 thus leading to the Fall?

You're gonna dispute this I know and I'm waiting to point you further. One thing you should know Mr Truthseeker is that the truth cannot be covered or discarded. It's light and thus cannot be concealed so bring it on but before then do some truth seeking on Genesis 3.

Truthseeker10:
1)Lol....so it is no longer breath of life now, it is now about spirit? OK oo.

Young's Literal Translation
For an event is to the sons of man, and an event is to the beasts, even one event is to them; as the death of this, so is the death of that; and one spirit is to all, and the advantage of man above the beast is nothing, for the whole is vanity.

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
Mishap meets the children men and mishap of beasts; one mishap occurs to all; like the death of one, so dies also the other, and they all have the same Spirit, and there is no superiority of a son of man compared to beasts, for everything is futility

Does the verse above say that man has a different spirit from that of animals?

Does Ecclesiastes claim that man and animals are the same or it says that man and animals have the same breath or spirit?

If the spirit or breath of man goes to the creator at death, where does the spirit or breath of animals go when they die?

2)If you claim that the breath of life in man is the created man, what is the breath of life in animals?

3)Are you also saying that the created man is not a man? Did you not claim that the breath of life is the created man?

AngelahFlo:
You're one confused soul.I can see that you'll not see no matter what is placed before you. I've said it to me and again your emphasis on the breath of life is skewed. Why this emphasis on the breath of.life beats me. What are you driving at. What do you wanna get out of this argument?
Do you wanna walk away assured that you convinced someone to accept your submission of what you pointed out in Ecclesiastes 3:19. Who are you really?

Listen I'll keep pointing you to Genesis 3 if you keep dodging that, then I feel really sorry for you. You know that man and beast even thoughthey share the same fate in death are not the same. Even though they share the same breath yet the breath they share ain't the same. Why because the breath of life in man is the spirit of man and it's not different from the created man of Genesis 1:26. If you were a lawyer, you'd be the one who rattles his prosecutor or defense but you ain't doing yours well. I'll not give you the pleasure of walking away with the assurance of winning this. If you don't confront that Genesis 3 issue I'll keep pointing it out to you. Answer the Genesis 3 issue. What are you afraid of Mr Truthseeker? Lemme bring this home. If you agree on Ecclesiastes 3:19 are you saying that your value before God is same as that ascribed to animals because you share the breath of life with them? Now Mr Truthseeker why ain't the animals who share the same breathof life with man ain't judged. For their misdemeanor. Man is a sprit with a soul who lives in a body. Animals don't have the capacity or capability of awareness. You need to pay attention to things that matter!!
Let's deal with this matter from the Genesis 3 angle to prove the authenticity of this truth seeking of yours.

AngelahFlo:
I didn't make that up!!
Honestly I didn't. There are truths I'd have love to share with you to back up my claim but you won't understand. The truth is we're going back to who we were before the Fall but it's not now. The Bible is full of absolute truths that will take the spiritually discerned to really grasp.

tctrills:
Lol
Your argument here is that, the rest of us are not spiritual enough to see Adam's intelligence and brain power written in the bible.

Whenever someone makes the argument that others are not as equiped as themselves to see the things not written in the bible, I just know that such a person can never be trusted.

Because you are simply asking us to believe you even though we don't see the things you claim to see but somehow, we should trust your spirituality and allow you to be our teacher.