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Amotolongbo:
Young man, if anyone gives you anything like what you called Bible, the onus as someone literate and wise is to read it, know about the antecedents and precedence to it.
If dogmas like you are asked who wrote the bible, the next answer would be “God wrote the bible” as if there is a printing press in your claimed heaven.

I’d never been to catholic service except a wedding and I was born Pentecostal, my brain is developing with my growth and never stayed juvenile like a baby.

"if dogmas like me", is a conservation too hard for you to have like you find it hard reading a book. You can just ASK instead of assuming to know who I am or what my response would be. But you probably have a top degree in assumptions and imaginations instead of applying yourself to read and ask what you are ignorant of.

By the way my answer is, Men inspired by the spirit of God wrote scriptures which are from Genesis to Malachi, while some texts are considered poetry among them. While the new testament is composed of letters with one sole revelatory book called the Bible.

You may have been used to having conversations with dogmas and illiterates or babies but not everyone is like that.

P. S don't care if you were born Pentecostal, you are either a child of God or you are not. It's should be embarrassing for you to say such meanwhile you were mentioning Catholic bible.

Simple question remains HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE, THE ONE YOUR PENTECOSTAL PARENTS HAD WHILE YOU WERE BORN INTO THEIR HOUSE. HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ AND STUDIED IT?

Insectkiller:

My God don't just heal.. He made whole.. My God don't just give a surprise.. He is a Wonder.. My God is not static or a statue.. He is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent..
He reveals and whatever He says He will do, He will surely do.. My God, the Almighty God, Unchangeable Changer is Indescribable. Don't even dare...

What everyone says about their Gods!🤔

Dtruthspeaker:
"By Doubting, we are led to Questioning. By Questioning, we arrive at The Truth"

Plus, learning goes 2 ways.

And here you are also resisting my assertion hence this debate.

Therefore, moving on, everyone knows that I referred to the fire at the Altar that never quenches and the most important part is that you have fallen into what I was hinting at were you are admitted that it is "there for a good reason".

But , clearly you have not found the reason else you would have presented.

And thus, it is you who does not want to see and accept that the reason that fire is there is that God was giving us the first Hint of what we the world is taking about today which is that near His Throne (Ark) there is also everlasting fire.

Which as God reveals and Fulfills His Plans has cumulated to the great fear men have for death.

So, as I said before it is not about the words and meanings and histories and bible versions and translations. But about the spirit surrounding the idea of an information which is proven by the great fear and terror people experience when they hear the word hellfire or hell. The whole world understands that, is a very very bad place no one wants to go into.

And that is why your opinion is wrong and does not stand

The real meaning of things in the Bible is important. Gods words are clear. Ambivalence is dangerous as people can go with their different meanings. But we know “God is not the author of confusion.
That fire at the alter symbolized the presence of God and shows that the priests and by extension are always ready to offer sacrifices to him.
Importantly however is that our God is ‘Love’, he is not a manipulator or a gaslighter. He wants us to serve him out of LOVE and not because of some FEAR of some HELL.
What’s more? The idea of burning people in fire is repulsive to God. He punished nations including some Israelites that burnt their children in fire for the idol Molech.

The unadulterated truth of the Bible is important. Study to show thy self approved.

gohf:
"if dogmas like me", is a conservation too hard for you to have like you find it hard reading a book. You can just ASK instead of assuming to know who I am or what my response would be. But you probably have a top degree in assumptions and imaginations instead of applying yourself to read and ask what you are ignorant of.

By the way my answer is, Men inspired by the spirit of God wrote scriptures which are from Genesis to Malachi, while some texts are considered poetry among them. While the new testament is composed of letters with one sole revelatory book called the Bible.

You may have been used to having conversations with dogmas and illiterates or babies but not everyone is like that.

P. S don't care if you were born Pentecostal, you are either a child of God or you are not. It's should be embarrassing for you to say such meanwhile you were mentioning Catholic bible.

Simple question remains HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE, THE ONE YOUR PENTECOSTAL PARENTS HAD WHILE YOU WERE BORN INTO THEIR HOUSE. HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ AND STUDIED IT?

Could you proove the bolded part?
Now I understand your level of knowledge and the class of people who believe plagiarised books are written by their “spirit”.

Lemme lecture you, if you would take it and be liberated, though I doubt you are sound enough to get it.
A lot of stories (manuscripts) were written in scrolls and text about the past by different people based on oral tradition which had nothing to do with any spirit. Many of these stories were real, many were myth and some were imaginations. The manuscripts Codex Vaticanus and Sinaiticus were later transferred to books which you called Bible. The romans took the manuscript they are interested in and the leaders used it for their purpose as Catholicism, the British took theirs and used it for their purpose, Arabs took the books interested to them and transferred it to Quran. The common factor to these people mentioned is the establishment of empire and slave trade.
This is similar to the manuscript of Ifa transferred to books by the Yoruba. The only difference is that Yoruba are not sophisticated enough to force the ifa books on people outside their empire claiming it’s from God, killing and maiming anyone who doesn’t believe it.




The most stupid thing I’ve heard is hearing that one spirit inspired some imperialists to write a manual for their subordinates to follow, no be juju be that?

Amotolongbo:
Could you proove the bolded part?
Now I understand your level of knowledge and the class of people who believe plagiarised books are written by their “spirit”.

Lemme lecture you, if you would take it and be liberated, though I doubt you are sound enough to get it.
A lot of stories (manuscripts) were written in scrolls and text about the past by different people based on oral tradition which had nothing to do with any spirit. Many of these stories were real, many were myth and some were imaginations. The manuscripts Codex Vaticanus and Sinaiticus were later transferred to books which you called Bible. The romans took the manuscript they are interested in and the leaders used it for their purpose as Catholicism, the British took theirs and used it for their purpose, Arabs took the books interested to them and transferred it to Quran. The common factor to these people mentioned is the establishment of empire and slave trade.
This is similar to the manuscript of Ifa transferred to books by the Yoruba. The only difference is that Yoruba are not sophisticated enough to force the ifa books on people outside their empire claiming it’s from God, killing and maiming anyone who doesn’t believe it.




The most stupid thing I’ve heard is hearing that one spirit inspired some imperialists to write a manual for their subordinates to follow, no be juju be that?

"imperialist wrote Genesis, the Torah and the prophets" did you go to school at all? Or you don't know how to use Ai at least use Google and hide this ignorance.

gohf:
"imperialist wrote Genesis, the Torah and the prophets" did you go to school at all? Or you don't know how to use Ai at least use Google and hide this ignorance.

Understanding is your weakness obviously.
Lemme come down to your level, the manuscripts were writing by different people based on oral tradition passed to them. The imperialists took the manuscripts of interest, combined and modified them into an entity and used it for their interest.

I hope that’s good enough for your level to comprehend

DeepSight:
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Its okay. I have run since you have successfully pointed out that I am wrong. Since you have established that your God indeed said no mind can imagine the torture he has in store for those who hate him. Since you are right that Jesus never said pray for your enemies. I have run oh, as the coward that I am, I am happy to run. It is not my work to defend your God afterall.

If you truly believe you are right then why hit below the belt? Did I say "no mind can imagine the torture"?

Secondly and most importantly, why do you not answer the question I asked whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

For even Jesus, the same One Whom you cited saying "love your enemies", Himself came back with anger and with armies and a Sword against His enemies.

So, you are better than all of us, vengeful people

So, i need to know what is the good to be done

And your answering the question whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?[/b] will lead the way.

So, for instance, if robbers had stolen your things, raped and killed your loved ones, you would in love invite them to your house for a lunch or dinner or stay over and never report to the police but quietly bury your loved ones and give handkerchief to your raped loved one?

Dtruthspeaker:
If you truly believe you are right then why hit below the belt? Did I say "no mind can imagine the torture"?

Secondly, why do you not answer the question I asked whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

For even Jesus, the same One Whom you cited saying love your enemies, Himself came back with anger and with armies and a Sword against His enemies.

So, you are better than all of us, vengeful people

So, i need to know what is the good to be done

And your answering the question whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?[/b] will lead the way.

So, for instance, if robbers had stolen your things, raped and killed your loved ones, you would in love invite them to your house for a lunch or dinner or stay over and never report to the police but quietly bury your loved ones and give handkerchief to your raped loved one?

Gbagbe e. Moti sare lo
Forget it, I have run away.

DeepSight:
Gbagbe e. Moti sare lo
Forget it, I have run away.

No, you cannot do this wicked wickedness and run oo.

You have made a very deathly accusation to which you are saying that you are different.

So clear the air and answer the question whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

That is if robbers had stolen your things, raped and killed your loved ones, you would in love invite them to your house for a lunch or dinner or stay over and never report to the police but quietly bury your loved ones and give handkerchief to your raped loved one?

richmond500:
through evolution over millions of years.

Evidence is that we have:
fossils
DNA similarities
Genetics and
Comparative anatomy.

We are biological beings shaped by natural process

Wow interesting.. So please tell me how was this natural process formed. There can't be something out of nothing right? Or it is safe to call this natural process God because we are shaped by it. What do you think? Thanks

Dtruthspeaker:
No, you cannot do this wicked wickedness and run oo.

You have made a very deathly accusation to which you are saying that you are different.

So clear the air and answer the question whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

That is if robbers had stolen your things, raped and killed your loved ones, you would in love invite them to your house for a lunch or dinner or stay over and never report to the police but quietly bury your loved ones and give handkerchief to your raped loved one?

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Forget it man. The topic is over.

thinkmoney:
That fire at the alter [b]symbolized the presence of God [/b]and shows that the priests and by extension are always ready to offer sacrifices to him.

Importantly however is that our God is ‘Love’, he is not a manipulator or a gaslighter. He wants us to serve him out of LOVE and not because of some FEAR of some HELL.
What’s more? The idea of burning people in fire is repulsive to God. He punished nations including some Israelites that burnt their children in fire for the idol Molech.

The unadulterated truth of the Bible is important. Study to show thy self approved.

Now you are trying to shift the post and derail the argument now that you see that your basis wrong

For, first, you just hurriedly manufactured the "symbolized the presence of God" as you forgot that the cloud by day and fire by night was the symbolic presence of God.

Then you resorted to the fallacy of ad baculum when there wasn't anything manipulative in my response. I only pointed out the connection in reference to the topic, which you could not deny.

So, now, you ran away from addressing my response and switched our positions of the argument and then you now went on to present your own belief on it, which is hinged on the fact that God was against pagan practices that included the murder of children via fire, you then overstretched beyond all reasonable reasons to mean that God would never burn people by fire, even when they are guilty of it.

That clearly is rubbish, for again you forget that He burned down Sodom and Gomorrah and it's sinfilled people with FIRE!

So, you see, yet again you are wrong.

MaxInDHouse:
“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

Jesus is our brother himself and JWs are worshipers of the same God who is father of all faithful people!🙂

Is it in the JehovahWitness bible too?

Just like quran una like plagiarism

Ezyp:
Wow interesting.. So please tell me how was this natural process formed. There can't be something out of nothing right? Or it is safe to call this natural process God because we are shaped by it. What do you think? Thanks

No, it's not God and science dont know how it is formed, that's something science is still working on.

DeepSight:
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Forget it man. The topic is over.

Lie lie!
This is great wickedness.
It will only be over when it comes to reasonable and just landing.

You with your whole heart and soul made this very deathly accusation to which you are saying that you are different.

So it needs be cleared by you answering the question whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

That is if robbers had stolen your things, raped and killed your loved ones, you would in love invite them to your house for a lunch or dinner or stay over and never report to the police but quietly bury your loved ones and give handkerchief to your raped loved one?

Dtruthspeaker:
Lie lie!
This is great wickedness.
It will only be over when it comes to reasonable and just landing.

You with your whole heart and soul made this very deathly accusation to which you are saying that you are different.

So it needs be cleared by you answering the question whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

That is if robbers had stolen your things, raped and killed your loved ones, you would in love invite them to your house for a lunch or dinner or stay over and never report to the police but quietly bury your loved ones and give handkerchief to your raped loved one?

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Goodnight.

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are trying to shift the post and detail the argument now that you see that your basis iwrong

For, first, you just hurriei manufactured the "symbolized the presence of God" as you forgot that the cloud by day and fire by night was the symbolic presence of God.

Then you resorted to the fallacy of ad baculum when there wasn't anything manipulative in my response. I only pointed out the connection in reference to the topic, which you could not deny.

So, now, you ran away from addressing my response and switched our positions of the argument and then you now went on to present your own belief on it, which is hinged on the fact that God was against pagan practices that included the murder of children via fire, you then overstretched beyond all reasonable reasons to mean that God would never burn people by fire, even when they are guilty of it.

That clearly is rubbish, for again you forget that He burned down Sodom and Gomorrah and it's sinfilled people with FIRE!

So, you see, yet again you are wrong.

I do not understand where I have switched. I didn’t say you are manipulative, I only said God isn’t, and it’s against his nature of love to set up a fire somewhere so people can be cowed into worshiping him.
Everything I tell you can be supported by Bible. The cloud by day and fire by night aren’t the only thing God used to symbolize his presence and acceptance of Israel’s worship. Even the ark itself is a symbol of Gods presence.
God also caused fire to come down from heaven after Solomon commissioned the temple to show his power, presence and acceptance of the whole idea of the temple.
Back to our main issue. The Bible when studied very well, while blocking out man made traditions, does not teach a fire that burns dinner forever. What the Bible teaches is total destruction of sinners- a death without the prospect of everlasting life. The soul that sinneth shall die.
What I thought is that you will fault my argument on Gehenna, Sheol and Hades. I even asked if it’s possible for righteous men to go to hell. You didn’t respond to those things, you have only been accusing me of somethings I don’t even understand.
*plus, all through the Old Testament you will never see any prophets tell sinners or a sining nation that they will burn in hell if they kept on sinning. Even you won’t find among the apostles. What they all said was total destruction as consequence of sin. Jesus symbolized this by using Gehenna

Zocalite:
Is it in the JehovahWitness bible too?
Just like quran una like plagiarism.

Do you believe what Jesus said himself or your pastors?🙂

Jesus called his disciples "BROTHERS" not his worshipers and said his God is our God and his father is our father. John 20:17🙂

AZControversial:
It's not your fault na.....
If you have mouth to challenge him, you should also have the power to undo what he's done.....

You were the one that believe he did something,the clueless thing is powerless to do anything

vdestro:
Why should you not? You have the power to do so.

You are a very big coward!

He's a bigger coward if he can't increate me.

Dtruthspeaker:
Since dis one, you won do ojoro die. He kukuma know say d better puneesh you need ma for you to continue to live in your pain and suffering. And more pain and suffering go add on top till you ma. D di3

Mumu man worshiping mumu god

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe what Jesus said himself or your pastors?🙂

Jesus called his disciples "BROTHERS" not his worshipers and said his God is our God and his father is our father. John 20:17🙂

See me see trouble jw cult is talking to me about Jesus Christ

Oya weave another semantics

DeepSight:
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Goodnight.

How can you say good night when you have done me this evil?

If you truly want me to have a good night then answer the question whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

That is if robbers had stolen your things, raped and killed your loved ones, you would in love invite them to your house for a lunch or dinner or stay over and never report to the police but quietly bury your loved ones and give handkerchief to your raped loved one?

Zocalite:
See me see trouble jw cult is talking to me about Jesus Christ
Oya weave another semantics

Calling the real disciples of Christ CULT is what he foretold:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25

Are you truly a disciple of Jesus or you've been misinformed by churchgoers? Matthew 7:21-23🙂

GodPunishOsu:
You were the one that believe he did something,the clueless thing is powerless to do anything

I see!!!
From Him forcefully creating you to me believing He did something?
After all, weren't you the one crying that He created you without your consent?
So you don't believe He created you anymore right?

Now, you're saying He's powerless....

You're really funny..... I'll give you that

Shimran:
If you agreed that you purposely sent your child to school to be punished

can you show me where God discussed about hell with Adam?

AZControversial:
Was he not warned of the forbidden tree?

So where was Hell mentioned?

GanagiBitrus:
You should be the one to define Hell, before asking me if Adam went there.

I don't know...teach me

kennethesan:
No. The breathe (God) is the creator of the Soul..

Where does Genesis 2:7 say God created soul and put it in man?

richmond500:
apes are a branch of primates, not the first primate.
Is it too complex for u to understand?
Abi all u know is Shiloh 2025?

So what was the first primate?

Where is it recorded that God created your heart, kidney and others?

Truthseeker10:
Where does Genesis 2:7 say God created soul and put it in man?