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In my country, 180 out of 400 in jamb can get u admission infact some school accept 160

brain54:
I don't see the angle from which this correlates with declining birth rate...


You can elaborate more!

Normal normal na ,how can you see anything from any angel outside to zombie hoplesly for bad governance that has crushed the essence of Human development in this Country which is grounded in both formal and informal education??

It's not a big deal not to see anything from any angle😁

Op, expatiate on your write up. Is this secondary school leaving certificate grading? What is the cut off grade and in how many subjects?
Don't compare Nigeria with serious countries. If children have good foundation, they excel.
In the days of missionary schools in Nigeria, children were excelling. Strict secondary routine - when to go to class, break, wash, eat etc, children were excelling.
Wole Soyinka, Achebe etc time, children were excelling.
Cyril stober, a Sierra Leonian, that study in a missionary school in Minna, Fatima College, got A1 in English Language in the 70s.

grandstar:
When I saw South Korea's grading system, it dawned on me why the country has the lowest birthrate in the world!

It is constant pressure on children to excel, and this translates into agonizing long hours at school, and at home to do very well.

I had 5 A's and 2 C's in both my WEAC and GCE but I doubt I would be able to endure the system.

What about you? Can you survice it? Can your child? Or do you prefer they see expo ?

You can only set conditions like this if education is free at all levels.
My uncle got a scholarship in the 70s to study in Ul with a very stringent academic condition attached which is optional.
He accepted due to his family's financial situation.
He came out with a first class honour but nearly lost his life in D process due to stress in order to meet up with his academic scholarship requirement..
In modern day NGR,we pay for both private and public education so Government has no moral right to impose such stringent condition

you forgot to mention South Korea is also reported to have one of the highest suicide rate among students typically around exam time.

The owners of the world are running special experiments in countries like South Korea, Singapore, UAE.

The birth rate will have to decline as people get over worked over pressured and relationships will fall apart under external pressure.

The grading system in Academia is satanic in nature just like money, both are tools of division.
The grading system forces children into a materialistic frame of mind that is a soul killer.
The creator sends only people the world needs and any school that says someone is useless is working for the devil.

Those who come first in class are here to learn from those who come last in class about how to take it easy so they dont loose thier soul.

If you should ever step away from the rat race and get more sleep, you will start to grow spiritually almost without even making an effort, your dreams will have meaning and you will see the world hidden in plain sight that those stuck in matrix rat race cant see.

The owners of the world dont want you to wake-up thats why they have to keep you busy with materialistic aspirations and keeping up with inflation.

Thats why the birth rate is declining in the rich propped up countries that are given the best things in the world with no government sponsored bandits and kidnappers anywhere in sight. They are tired of bringing children to a soules society.

South Korea is like a petri dish experiment they are running for their future dystopian lifeless society design.

You cannot afford to be very busy constantly, cause you will have no spirit an easy abode for demons, and that what they want, busy life easy target.

In china, turkey Austria they are now paying people to have children, to bring them new victims for their demons that come into the body through stress and overwork.

grandstar:
I don dey weep for your pikin already

Oh dear!

I'm sorry if that bothers you.
How may I console you?

brain54:
If you are complaining about the pressure...

Most of the Asian countries like Japan and China have the same problem of overwork and not balancing family life with work. But this doesn't result in low birth rates except you telling me it affects their biological makeup somehow that enables them not to be able to birth kids in the future that makes the birth rate drop.


Korean has many reasons for dropping birthrates including high cost of living, education etc but grading shouldn't be described as a contributory factor to low birth rates!

I don't think you know East Asia very well o. Because Japan has the lowest birth rate in the world. Infact, walking around with a baby will get you a lot of attention in Japan, because there are so few children around (just watch videos and read boards of foreigners living in Japan, who have kids, they'll tell you they see more people in their 90s than kids).

Korea is the same: so few children that schools are closing, Paediatric Medicine doesn't have enough Doctors and DINKs are on the rise.

Watch their street interviews and read their boards: they don't want to have kids because of the pressure cooker that is their Education system, plus the cultural expectations of what a financially successful Korean should look like, then add long work hours and expensive housing in cities with good schools and opportunities.

The younger ones used to say they would send their kids abroad (like their parents did) and then bring them home as adults. But Trump and USA and rising global anti-immigration settlement has destroyed that pathway.

So, fewer kids.

Korea's govt is even looking for incentives to encourage them to born pikin (offering families money and telling companies to reduce after-hours work related hangouts).

And for those wondering how tough Korea's educational system is, this is a recent English Comprehension exam for their WAEC, try and answer if you can . You have 2 mins to answer (that's how long they're given).

Their most recent exam was so hard, the Head of the Governing Board for English just resigned to apologize.

Also, China has the same problem. JS 1 in China resumes school at 6am and gets home at 8/9pm. Their kids are in a pressure cooker too.

British kids who are academically brilliant are also in a pressure cooker: Primary School kids hoping to go to Grammar School and Private School, do private tutoring from 7-8am at home, then go to school immediately after.

My kids are also in a pressure cooker school and whilst I can see the rewards, their anxiety levels have shot up and now I'm considering homeschooling them for a year. I'm also helping them do their homework (I collect it from them and do it, because the class and educational work the do with me is way more advanced, as I work with a STEM school program).

Nigerian kids are not in a pressure cooker because there's not enough jobs to go around and we're so corrupt, Wike's son will automatically get a job before a 1st Class student from Unilag. We don't run a merit-based system here so there's no incentive to work hard.

American kids aren't in a pressure cooker unless they're in an elite school, they are still leading the world with innovation (but that will soon slow down), Russian kids used to be in a pressure cooker but Putin and his cohorts are slacking so they're no longer a top country for innovation.

Finland and Nordic countries have excellent educational system that isn't a pressure cooker because their population is very low, their countries are very wealthy so competition for jobs is minimal and they have social safety nets. Their teachers earn great salaries and can afford to teach for the pleasure of imparting knowledge, kids know that jobs dey no matter what and you won't starve no matter what.

Onegai:
I don't think you know East Asia very well o. Because Japan has the lowest birth rate in the world. Infact, walking around with a baby will get you a lot of attention in Japan, because there are so few children around (just watch videos and read boards of foreigners living in Japan, who have kids, they'll tell you they see more people in their 90s than kids).

Korea is the same: so few children that schools are closing, Paediatric Medicine doesn't have enough Doctors and DINKs are on the rise.

Watch their street interviews and read their boards: they don't want to have kids because of the pressure cooker that is their Education system, plus the cultural expectations of what a financially successful Korean should look like, then add long work hours and expensive housing in cities with good schools and opportunities.

The younger ones used to say they would send their kids abroad (like their parents did) and then bring them home as adults. But Trump and USA and rising global anti-immigration settlement has destroyed that pathway.

So, fewer kids.

Korea's govt is even looking for incentives to encourage them to born pikin (offering families money and telling companies to reduce after-hours work related hangouts).

And for those wondering how tough Korea's educational system is, this is a recent English Comprehension exam for their WAEC, try and answer if you can . You have 2 mins to answer (that's how long they're given).

Their most recent exam was so hard, the Head of the Governing Board for English just resigned to apologize.

You didn't understand what I wrote...


Kindly read it again!

brain54:
You didn't understand what I wrote...


Kindly read it again!

I know what you said. And the stats are there: OECD countries have the lowest birth rates in the world. You said that:

Most of the Asian countries like Japan and China have the same problem of overwork and not balancing family life with work. But this doesn't result in low birth rates except you telling me it affects their biological makeup somehow that enables them not to be able to birth kids in the future that makes the birth rate drop

And that's incorrect, because all 3 countries you mentioned have low birth rates and the same issues of bad work-life balance. It isn't affecting their biological makeup, it's affecting their mental makeup (they're choosing not to have kids because their societies are stressful to live in.

And if we are to be really factual, being stressed does affect you biologically, men's quality of sperm declines. And those countries actually have stronger mental makeup than us (they go and invent something when they're bored whilst we Africans sadly use sexx as a hobby )

Onegai:
I know what you said. And the stats are there: OECD countries have the lowest birth rates in the world. You said that:

Most of the Asian countries like Japan and China have the same problem of overwork and not balancing family life with work. But this doesn't result in low birth rates except you telling me it affects their biological makeup somehow that enables them not to be able to birth kids in the future that makes the birth rate drop

And that's incorrect, because all 3 countries you mentioned have low birth rates and the same issues of bad work-life balance. It isn't affecting their biological makeup, it's affecting their mental makeup (they're choosing not to have kids because their societies are stressful to live in.

And if we are to be really factual, being stressed does affect you biologically, men's quality of sperm declines. And those countries actually have stronger mental makeup than us (they go and invent something when they're bored whilst we Africans sadly use sexx as a hobby )

Okay, it's probably "network glitch"...


I was trying to convey a point and probably missed what I was trying to say. And it conveyed a different meaning. It's the thought process. I just looked at the statement and if it wasn't under my Monika directly I would have not believed I wrote that.


If you check it doesn't align with my earlier comment and the statements I made subsequently.


Thanks for drawing my attention. I know Japan, China and most Asian countries have low birth rates. Funny thing is I can't even remember the exact point I was trying to make.

It's 3am maybe when I'm fully awake I will remember!

always247:
Good evening sir

Good Evening 2u my dear.
How are you?

The school I taught , sacred heart College, apapa , used to have the same grading system.

Kids we usually called dull or not smart get failed because they scored below 60 but we know they will smash exams outside.


I don't know much about them now because I left there In 2020

APOPTOSIS:
Good Evening 2u my dear.
How are you?

fine sir. may God continue to protect you

brain54:
If you are complaining about the pressure...

Or strict conditions that the grading system puts on the kids and that it overworks them then that's a different talk altogether.

Most of the Asian countries like Japan and China have the same problem of overwork and not balancing family life with work. But this doesn't result in low birth rates except you telling me it affects their biological makeup somehow that enables them not to be able to birth kids in the future that makes the birth rate drop.


Korean has many reasons for dropping birthrates including high cost of living, education etc but grading shouldn't be described as a contributory factor to low birth rates!

You make valid points. However, you seem not to understand his point...

Imagine my wife and I know the stress our parents went through in raising us... We are in the system now, but not buoyant enough to give our kids the kind of life we would want them to have; we can simply decide to birth none.

Secondly, when we know what it takes to help a child achieve 90 and above (extra lesson, nutrition, excursions, exchange programs, etc), and the pressure it puts on the children, we could decide to birth just 1 kid, and raise them to the standards mostly accepted by the society. This, if done by everyone in the country, unfortunately causes a 50% decline in the total population (after just 2 generations).

tommy589:
That brutal grading scales transformed Korea to a first world country in just 40 years after end of WW2.
Parents here are built differently. What is life without children? Where our government has failed us our trained children becomes our social security in pensionable age.A family oriented man will sell his last possession to make his children excell in life.
No rest here when life is not balanced.Let them rest where they have back up. Sex is our major form of leisure,so we should have no fear of diminishing population.I welcome this gruelling education if it lifts us from a third world country to a better one in 40 years

Their success story is not about the grading system, but about some other economic policies. The effects of the educational policies had not even shown any signs of improvement before their economies started booming. In Japan for instance, the economy policies allowed Honda to start manufacturing cars instead of just motorcycles. Improvements in the quality of education and targeting science and technology did it for them, not the grading system.

Julius1995:
Third Class student here in Nigeria dont earn a First Class easily there. How many of Nigerian first class students even went on to earn distinction abroad sef. Its time you people stop this ridiculous claims. Many of these people even use contract writers. Lol

An average Nigerian student will excel anywhere in the world. That's a fact. There's no way in hell a first class student in Nigeria will drop below that mark in any school abroad.
I've studied in two universities outside Nigeria, and I didn't have migraines like I did during my first degree in Nigeria and I performed far better.

Its based on your definition of excel. If you take Nigeria as the standard, then a Nigerian American is a standard of excel. But if you compare a Nigerian American to Taiwanese-American or Indian-American or Southeast Asian who are considered model citizens anywhere, then your definition of excel might shift.
On education, please stop using blanket categorical statement like: "there is no way in hell a first class student in Nigeria will drop below that mark in any school abroad", that is below the belt of your exposure you want us to know about. How did you arrive at that conclusion? Did you take a survey of all first class students thay moved abroad? So how did you arrive at such arrogant conclusion? Because I know few folks who did not replicate their first class, which is not a bad thing.

DeOTR:
An average Nigerian student will excel anywhere in the world. That's a fact. There's no way in hell a first class student in Nigeria will drop below that mark in any school abroad.
I've studied in two universities outside Nigeria, and I didn't have migraines like I did during my first degree in Nigeria and I performed far better.

Well for starters It produces a highly skilled and disciplined workforce.

The intense academic pressure in South Korea pushes many students to develop strong study habits, resilience, and high competence, which helps the country excel in areas like technology, science, engineering, and global competitiveness.
Samsung and hundai comes to mind

always247:
fine sir. may God continue to protect you

Amen and you too.
What part are you?

APOPTOSIS:
Amen and you too.
What part are you?

north

Julius1995:
Its based on your definition of excel. If you take Nigeria as the standard, then a Nigerian American is a standard of excel. But if you compare a Nigerian American to Taiwanese-American or Indian-American or Southeast Asian who are considered model citizens anywhere, then your definition of excel might shift.
On education, please stop using blanket categorical statement like: "there is no way in hell a first class student in Nigeria will drop below that mark in any school abroad", that is below the belt of your exposure you want us to know about. How did you arrive at that conclusion? Did you take a survey of all first class students thay moved abroad? So how did you arrive at such arrogant conclusion? Because I know few folks who did not replicate their first class, which is not a bad thing.

If you graduate from a Nigerian university (not private institutions or universities where they do sortings) and you graduate with a first class, but you you couldn't replicate the same abroad and you're not working part-time, your Nigerian first class degree is questionable. You can't possibly judiciously earn first class in Nigeria and fall below that level abroad with the same zeal. It's understandable if you're working to offset bills.
And no, there's nothing special about Taiwanese or indians or Asians in general. They don't have any special abilities that Nigerians don't have, at least, not in software engineering.

You are shifting goal post. But you have a point. And please stop using blanket categorical statement. Taiwanese are the key people behind global semiconductor chip industry. Semiconductor chip is the backbone of every technology (software and otherwise). So how you equate Nigerians to such people is funny. Indians have taken leadership of some of the most important companies ('tech' since you mentioned software) in the world. But I admire and respect your positive outlook of Nigerians. Its good. Nigerians have zeal, at least on average. Lastly, your dig at private universities students is funny. Alumni of good ones have towering achievement records.

DeOTR:
If you graduate from a Nigerian university (not private institutions or universities where they do sortings) and you graduate with a first class, but you you couldn't replicate the same abroad and you're not working part-time, your Nigerian first class degree is questionable. You can't possibly judiciously earn first class in Nigeria and fall below that level abroad with the same zeal. It's understandable if you're working to offset bills.
And no, there's nothing special about Taiwanese or indians or Asians in general. They don't have any special abilities that Nigerians don't have, at least, not in software engineering.

grandstar:
When I saw South Korea's grading system, it dawned on me why the country has the lowest birthrate in the world!

It is constant pressure on children to excel, and this translates into agonizing long hours at school, and at home to do very well.

I had 5 A's and 2 C's in both my WEAC and GCE but I doubt I would be able to endure the system.

What about you? Can you survice it? Can your child? Or do you prefer they see expo ?

Make this low IQ dey remain for nairaland I beg u
u don try know the equivalent of their grading system with d one for naija?
abeg no carry dis kain sense go foreign land o

... So ?
The academic curriculum and condition of study can determine this.

grandstar:
When I saw South Korea's grading system, it dawned on me why the country has the lowest birthrate in the world!

It is constant pressure on children to excel, and this translates into agonizing long hours at school, and at home to do very well.

I had 5 A's and 2 C's in both my WEAC and GCE but I doubt I would be able to endure the system.

What about you? Can you survice it? Can your child? Or do you prefer they see expo ?

DMCA:
Make this low IQ dey remain for nairaland I beg u
u don try know the equivalent of their grading system with d one for naija?
abeg no carry dis kain sense go foreign land o

You sound illiterate.

Read the article below:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23322039.2017.1389804#abstract

Julius1995:
You are shifting goal post. But you have a point. And please stop using blanket categorical statement. Taiwanese are the key people behind global semiconductor chip industry. Semiconductor chip is the backbone of every technology (software and otherwise). So how you equate Nigerians to such people is funny. Indians have taken leadership of some of the most important companies ('tech' since you mentioned software) in the world. But I admire and respect your positive outlook of Nigerians. Its good. Nigerians have zeal, at least on average. Lastly, your dig at private universities students is funny. Alumni of good ones have towering achievement records.

I know we still have a long way to go, but we're doing very well above the image of the country. If Nigerians, politicians and public officials in particular, are as patriotic as their counterparts in Rwanda and Kenya for instance, we'll catch up in no time. Even as bad as we are as a nation, we still have quite decent numbers of people born and bred in the country making waves globally. They might not be leading corporations like Microsoft or Google, but they own companies that employ people across continents of the world. I know a US based company owned by a Nigerian with couple of other global offices. The Pune office in India alone has more than 300 staff strength. He also left Nigeria for USA to study after his first degree.
The issue with Nigerian education system is that it's heavily subsidized and greatly underfunded.

DMCA:
Make this low IQ dey remain for nairaland I beg u
u don try know the equivalent of their grading system with d one for naija?
abeg no carry dis kain sense go foreign land o

grandstar how far?
u never reply me

DMCA:
grandstar how far?
u never reply me

I did reply you.

Haven't you seen it ?

Take care and God bless.

grandstar:
I did reply you.

Haven't you seen it ?

Take care and God bless.

why u get biafra head?

grandstar:
When I saw South Korea's grading system, it dawned on me why the country has the lowest birthrate in the world!

It is constant pressure on children to excel, and this translates into agonizing long hours at school, and at home to do very well.

I had 5 A's and 2 C's in both my WEAC and GCE but I doubt I would be able to endure the system.

What about you? Can you survice it? Can your child? Or do you prefer they see expo ?

Forget Korea.
In naija here, 90%+ was A in primary school, and A was in 70% in university. And I can tell you getting an A in uni was 100x harder. Grading don't mean shiite