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thinkmoney:
You are obviously not a good Bible student.
Daniels vision (or dream) like Joseph’s, Isaiah’s, Ezekiel’s and Johns all use animal or some bizarre looking creatures to represent things.
7 cows represents seven years in Joseph’s case. It’s noteworthy however, that the creatures in Daniel, Ezekiel and Johns visions are similar. They represents things that will happen in the last days.
The creatures, things and event in this visions represents things and ideas. The Angel explained to Daniel that the animals are kingdoms (like I explained the creature at Revelation to that it represents political powers of the earth). The Angel didn’t explain the fire from Gods throne. However, putting Bible together one will come to the conclusion that the fire represents destructive power of God to bring judgement to erring nations and power, both physical and spiritual.
The fire coming out of the throne like the lake of fire in Revelation is used to pass judgement. It’s used to destroy and bring to nonexistence.
“Our God will come and cannot remain silent.
Before him is a consuming fire,
And a great storm rages all around him.” Psalm 50:3.

Our God will come and cannot remain silent.
Before him is a consuming fire,
And a great storm rages all around him.

Fire goes before him
And consumes his adversaries on every side. Psalm 97:3.

This fire represents the destructive ability of God and his capability to render judgement.

I will give you an example from that same passage in Daniel. The four beast represents four world powers that will still come after Daniel.
We have had Babylon, Greece, Rome and now we are in the last one -Anglo-Saxon- power. It will soon get divided into several powers. We are entering that phase of multipolar world where China is coming up, India too, Russia and several others.
These other powers that have gone were burned by the fire. They were made to cease to exist. But if you are a good student of history, you will know that Babylon, Rome, and Greece where in no time burned by a big inferno that destroyed them and they are not in any hell.
But they have met there end. They have been consumed by the fire from God.
The serving political powers today represented by the beast, the false prophet, Devil himself, sinners, grave and death will soon be destroyed as it where by this fire of God [or from God]. They will all go into non-existence

Deception is an art, your sophistry an amusing act

Daniel wrote signs and symbols of which were interpreted by the wisdom of God even in the said text, your long yarns were not needed from some trying to evaluate others as Bible students or not, something you are clearly not.

NOW IN CONTEXT OF DANIEL 7 the fire wasn't metaphorically, now you obviously know that is the truth as you have not and cannot give a metaphorically meaning or usage to the fire but dance around with what the beasts and other symbols represent.


Why don't you also call the ancient one metaphorically or the son of man metaphorically as well.

Thank God the remaining verses in that Daniel 7 explained the symbols used metaphorically.

May God help and possibly forgive you.

MaxInDHouse:
If he ask you what Daniel meant by fire please tell him that Daniel himself asked God for the meaning of these symbolic terms but God told him it's not for him or his generation to understand what it means:

I heard the answer, but I really didn’t understand. So I asked, “Sir, what will happen after all this comes true?” Daniel 12:8

God responded:

“Go on about your life Daniel. The message is hidden. It will be a secret until the time of the end. Daniel 12:9

So the meaning of all these symbolic terms were hidden until our own time and only true servants of God will know the meaning Jesus said it's these anointed Christians that will teach his real disciples in the end time the meaning of all these signs! Matthew 24:45

For your information the Bible book of Daniel 12:1 revealed that archangel Michael is the one who will lead servants of God to unravel all these sacred secrets well if you are willing to accept it Jesus Christ is the hidden archangel Michael so only those who recognize his presence will understand!

look we know you don't preach Jesus Christ of Nazareth you preach Jehovah's witness but at times you have to respectfully KYMShut.

You don't care if people's souls are saved but solely care about growing some sect or cult upon the earth with you myopic believes even if they contradict the word of God. You are like the Pharisees, you won't enter the kingdom of God but you won't let others enter as well.

Look at you shameless sharing deceptive tactics to avoid one from honestly evaluately what is written.

gohf:
"an analogy to represent 'things' coming to an end" which things? Things you said were not material abi, okay so your metaphorically meaning is that the lake of fire means to bring to an end things, put them out of existence but did you skip the part where is was written, they were THROWN IN ALIVE chap. 19, then chap. 20 THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAILY FOREVER

SOOOO TELL US HOW TO THEY END DAILY FOREVER
and WHYYYYY

is what you are saying contradicting the phrase written in the text

basanisthesontai which means torment not end them

In what sense are those in “the lake of fire” tormented eternally? At times, “to torment” can mean “to restrain, confine” someone. Once when Jesus confronted the demons, they cried out: “Art thou come hither to torment us [restrain us in the abyss] before the time?” (Matthew 8:29; Luke 8:30, 31; KJ) So all of those in “the lake” will suffer the “torment” of everlasting restraint, or “the second death.”- a permanent irreversible death.
Note that the grave, the beast and also death are thrown in this lake of fire. Can those too be tortured?

gohf:
Deception is an art, your sophistry an amusing act

Daniel wrote signs and symbols of which were interpreted by the wisdom of God even in the said text, your long yarns were not needed from some trying to evaluate others as Bible students or not, something you are clearly not.

NOW IN CONTEXT OF DANIEL 7 the fire wasn't metaphorically, now you obviously know that is the truth as you have not and cannot give a metaphorically meaning or usage to the fire but dance around with what the beasts and other symbols represent.


Why don't you also call the ancient one metaphorically or the son of man metaphorically as well.

Thank God the remaining verses in that Daniel 7 explained the symbols used metaphorically.

May God help and possibly forgive you.

The Angel didn’t explain everything to Daniel. He told Daniel some meaning of the revelation will only be know until the last days.
I pointed out to you that those beasts representing nations too were burnt. Was Roman Empire, Greece empire and Babylonian empire at anytime destroyed by literal fire?

MaxInDHouse:
He was a male servant to a wealthy lady called Kadijat who was a stanch Catholic so following the woman to the church as her servant he was memorizing what the priests say on Sundays but he couldn't get the chronology that's why Muslims don't have any direct story of a single prophet before Muhammad because he was picking names that he could remember.
He stole the idea of using rosaries for prayer, holy women must cover their heads, holy men must wear little white cap, bowing towards images, ritual fasting, repetition of words during prayers, calling worshipers with noise, fighting to establish faith and many more from the Catholics.

The only angel he could remember is Gabriel who delivered message to Mary so he told his followers that the same angel brought him whatever he is saying and that's what is recorded as Quran.

At bold: The dumbest things someone could have ever said regarding Muhammad and Islam! Read History of Muhammad, written by Westerners. Enlighten yourself.

I asked, give me a single lie Muhammad has made, you're writing gibberish! I am still waiting

Muhammad copied from the Church but:
✓ Refused to called God, the Father?
✓ Debunked trinity?
✓ Debunked Crucifixion?
✓ Condemned confessions of sins?

For your information: Rosaries and Cap got no links to Islam. There's nothing like holy women and men in Islam. Ignorance is disaster!

What has Islam got to do with images? Images of who exactly? Jesus or what?

thinkmoney:
The Angel didn’t explain everything to Daniel. He told Daniel some meaning of the revelation will only be know until the last days. I pointed out to you that those beasts representing nations too were burnt. Was Roman Empire, Greece empire and Babylonian empire at anytime destroyed by literal fire?

I told you it's not everyone that deserves your precious time, some just feel like arguing aimlessly not clarifying issues to know those with whom they should associate.
Here on Nairaland members of the same church do argue and abusive about it because each of them just want to establish his own righteousness instead of seeking the the righteousness of God! Romans 10:2-3
Only the righteousness of God can make believers relate as one spiritual family {John 17:22} but once each person chooses what he or she wants to believe there can never be oneness in thought! 1Corinthans 1:10

MaxInDHouse:
I told you it's not everyone that deserves your precious time, some just feel like arguing aimlessly not clarifying issues to know those with whom they should associate.
Here on Nairaland members of the same church do argue and abusive about it because each of them just want to establish his own righteousness instead of seeking the the righteousness of God! Romans 10:2-3
Only the righteousness of God can make believers relate as one spiritual family {John 17:22} but once each person chooses what he or she wants to believe there can never be oneness in thought! 1Corinthans 1:10

Thank you so much

Shimran:
At bold: The dumbest things someone could have ever said regarding Muhammad and Islam! Read History of Muhammad, written by Westerners. Enlighten yourself.
I asked, give me a single lie Muhammad has made, you're writing gibberish! I am still waiting

Muhammad copied from the Church but:
✓ Refused to called God, the Father?
✓ Debunked trinity?
✓ Debunked Crucifixion?
✓ Condemned confessions of sins?
For your information: Rosaries and Cap got no links to Islam. There's nothing like holy women and men in Islam. Ignorance is disaster!
What has Islam got to do with images? Images of who exactly? Jesus or what?

Continue deceiving yourself!

*Rosaries was gotten from the Catholics.

*The white cap male Muslims wear copied from Catholic priests.

*Catholic nuns always cover most part of their bodies so Muhammad copied it and said all female Muslims should do the same as he feels that is what holy women does in Catholic.

*The black stone in Mecca was the house of all idols so Muhammad copied bowing to the house from Catholics.

*Crusades fighting to force religion on people was copied from Catholics.

*Raising voice to call worshipers from a far distance was copied from Catholics.

*Ritual fasting was copied from Catholics and it was reduced to thirty days.

*Traveling to the holy land was copied from Catholics.

Regarding Jesus and God issue your man doesn't want his gullible followers to downgrade him so he rejected the Trinity.

MaxInDHouse:
He loves to have children on planet earth just like human parents that's why the Bible said He made us in His image.

So if you wish to have children don't blame God because you are exhibiting His trait. Genesis 1:27

Is it by force for God to love to have children on planet earth? Yes or no?

Is it by force for God to create humans in the beginning? Yes or no?

Chidolalar:
Is it by force for God to love to have children on planet earth? Yes or no?
Is it by force for God to create humans in the beginning? Yes or no?

Is it by force for you to have children?

MaxInDHouse:
Is it by force for you to have children?

We are talking of God who started it in the first place and d real cause of Every evil and good on earth and beyond.

Why can't you answer simple question and stop deviating?

Is it by force for God to create humans in the first place and have children on Earth in d first place?

Yes or no?

If u can't answer yes or no then it means u are only deceiving yourself and trying to defend the indefensible.

Chidolalar:
We are talking of God who started it in the first place and d real cause of Every evil and good on earth and beyond.

Why can't you answer simple question and stop deviating?

Is it by force for God to create humans in the first place and have children on Earth in d first place?

Yes or no?

If u can't answer yes or no then it means u are only deceiving yourself and trying to defend the indefensible.

Are you saying that God has no right to create humans on earth and that creating humans on earth is inherently evil?

Chidolalar:
We are talking of God who started it in the first place and d real cause of Every evil and good on earth and beyond.

Why can't you answer simple question and stop deviating?

Is it by force for God to create humans in the first place and have children on Earth in d first place?

Yes or no?

If u can't answer yes or no then it means u are only deceiving yourself and trying to defend the indefensible.

Ọmọ if you choose to have children and not remain alone throughout your life there is no sense in asking why God who created humans in his likeness chose to have children!🙂

Truthseeker10:
Are you saying that God has no right to create humans on earth and that creating humans on earth is inherently evil?

Yes 100 percent

The best thing would have been God to exist alone and all by himself and shouldn't bother creating humans that didn't ask to be created by him in the first place

The best thing that can ever happen to one in dis life is not to exist at all in d first place bcuz u will have nothing to lose, nothing to gain, nothing to suffer and nothing to enjoy.

That is d greatest gift.

Any other thing anyone says contrary to to this assertion is pure bullshit

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if you choose to have children and not remain alone throughout your life there is no sense in asking why God who created humans in his likeness chose to have children!🙂

Good you just confirmed my point by defending the indefensible like I earlier pointed out by not answering what I asked you in d exact way and keep running round circles with no specific direction.

Chidolalar:
Good you just confirmed my point by defending the indefensible like I earlier pointed out by not answering what I asked you in d exact way and keep running round circles with no specific direction.

I have answered you several times that human parents have proved you wrong by having children so if you say someone supposed not to have children that's your PERSONAL OPINION.

Chidolalar:
Yes 100 percent

The best thing would have been God to exist alone and all by himself and shouldn't bother creating humans that didn't ask to be created by him in the first place

The best thing that can ever happen to one in dis life is not to exist at all in d first place bcuz u will have nothing to lose, nothing to gain, nothing to suffer and nothing to enjoy.

That is d greatest gift.

Any other thing anyone says contrary to to this assertion is pure bullshit

Is this a universal fact or your personal opinion?

Truthseeker10:
Is this a universal fact or your personal opinion?

It is a widely acceptable And universal facts.

Any other assertion contrary to it's is a complete bullshit.

Chidolalar:
It is a widely acceptable And universal facts.

Any other assertion contrary to it's is a complete bullshit.

Well below in the screenshot is the analysis of your statement.

Truthseeker10:
Well below in the screenshot is the analysis of your statement.

I said any other assertion contrary to what i have been emphasizing Is completely bullshit and u just proved me right by bringing up that bullshit crap from AI

Chidolalar:
I said any other assertion contrary to what i have been emphasizing Is completely bullshit and u just proved me right by bringing up that bullshit crap from AI

🤣🤣🤣What's bullshit about the Ai analysis....I thought you claimed that your stand was a universal fact.
Do you understand what it means for something to be a universal fact?

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣What's bullshit about the Ai analysis....I thought you claimed that your stand was a universal fact. Do you understand what it means for something to be a universal fact?

They only open their mouth to talk since they feel religion makes no sense they're always trying to discredit whatever God's word say but by the end of the day they prove God's word right as they fail to make sense even in their own reasoning!

He frustrates the schemes of the crafty, So that the work of their hands does not succeed. He catches the wise in their own cunning, So that the plans of the shrewd are thwarted. Job 5:12-13

With God's word in your hand their power of reasoning is rendered dead!🙂

DeepSight:
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Stop trying to deflect by claiming you made a justified inference. The fact is YOU CLAIMED THAT YOUR GOD SAID SOMETHING HE NEVER SAID.

And your matter keeps getting worse because by invoking the Earth, the Air and the Sea against me you have unwittingly revealed that you are in fact pagan.

So drop the pretenses at Christianity.

Your own words, "If I say I am inside my house of course that means I am not outside." stand against you forever and have also justified and vindicated me despite all your Lies, dodgings, deflections . Verily, you won't go not-punischd

thinkmoney:
My brother, no be your post I dey look for for nairakand especially when I noticed is error filled.
Nobody in Nigeria is taking a mark yet

No one can wake a person pretending to be asleep, so sleep on till you see too late like the people in Noah's time

I wish there was heaven ooo.

But it's a facade

APOSTLECHUMA:
SIMPLE ANSWER : WHAT GOD WILL GAIN IS SIMILAR TO WHAT A NATION CAN GAIN WHEN ALL THE CROOKS, RITUALISTS. FRAUDSTERS, KIDNAPPERS, HARLOTS, TERROISTS ETC ETC ARE THROWN INTO JAIL. YOU WILL HAVE A SANE. SOCIETY. RIGHTEOUSNESS WILL REIGN OVER THE EARTH, WHEN ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT REVERENCE THEIR CREATOR AND ARE LIVING CONTRARY TO HIS WILL WILL BE SENT TO HELL. IF ONE CAN NOT BREAK HUMAN LAWS WITHOUT PAYING THE PENALTY ATTACHED TO IT, HOW CAN ANY ONE BREAK DIVINE LAWS AND EXPECT TO GO FREE. ONLY INSANE PEOPLE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD.

God bless you for this comment.