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This topic makes many people uncomfortable, but discomfort is not the same as error.

Let’s slow down and separate what Jesus actually did, what happened to him, and what was later built around his death.

1️⃣ Jesus Was Murdered. Not Sent on a Suicide Mission
The idea that Jesus came specifically to die is a theological interpretation that developed later.

Historically and contextually:
Jesus challenged religious authorities
He exposed hypocrisy
He bypassed temples and priests
He taught direct access to God
He questioned law-based righteousness
He told people the Kingdom was within them
That made him a threat.

Empires and religious institutions don’t execute people for being harmless.
They execute people who disrupt control systems.

Jesus was not killed because God needed blood. He was killed because power structures felt exposed.


2️⃣ “The Kingdom of God Is Within You” Was the Core Message
Jesus did not teach:
“You are permanently broken”
“You need an institution to reach God”
“You must wait until after death”
“Only I have access”

He taught:
God is not far away
God is not locked in a temple
God is not owned by priests
God is accessible now
The divine is within

That message removes:
❌ fear
❌ hierarchy
❌ spiritual middlemen
❌ dependence on systems

And that is precisely why it was dangerous.


3️⃣ Jesus Didn’t Come to Start Christianity
This is a historical fact, not an opinion.
Jesus was Jewish
He lived and taught as a Jewish mystic
He quoted Hebrew scripture
He never used the word “Christian”
He never founded a church
He never created doctrines
He never asked to be worshipped

Christianity emerged decades later, shaped by:
Paul’s theology
Roman politics
Church councils
Empire-backed authority
Doctrinal enforcement

Jesus didn’t start Christianity. Christianity formed around Jesus after his death.


4️⃣ Jesus Was Not a Christian
Calling Jesus a Christian is like calling:
Buddha a Buddhist
Laozi a Taoist
Socrates a Platonist

These systems were built after them.

Jesus lived as a teacher of consciousness, not a religious founder.
He pointed to experience, not belief.
He emphasized inner transformation, not external compliance.


5️⃣ He Didn’t Ask for Worship, He Modeled Awakening
Jesus didn’t say:
“Worship me or perish”
“Build temples in my name”
“Fear eternal punishment”
“Accept doctrines or be rejected”

He said:
“Follow me” (meaning: live this way)
“Do as I do”
“Love as I love”
“Be perfect” (whole, complete)
“You will do greater works”

That’s not a demand for worship. That’s an invitation to embodiment.


6️⃣ Sin Was Not the Center, Separation Was
Jesus wasn’t obsessed with sin the way religion is.

He addressed:
fear
hypocrisy
inner blindness
lack of awareness
disconnection from Source

“Sin” in his context meant missing the mark, not moral depravity.
The “problem” was not that humans were evil.
The problem was that humans forgot who they were.

His message was remembrance, not condemnation.


7️⃣ Why the Message Changed After His Death
After Jesus was gone:
Institutions needed structure
Empires needed order
Control needed theology
Fear worked better than awareness

So the message shifted from:
➡️ “The Kingdom is within you”
to
➡️ “You are separated and need saving”

Religion sold the illness, then sold the cure.

Jesus revealed freedom.
Institutions packaged obedience.

Conclusion
Jesus didn’t come to be worshipped.
He didn’t come to start a religion.
He didn’t come to create fear.
He didn’t come to replace your inner authority.

He came to remind you:
You are not separated from Source
God is not external
Truth is experiential
The path is inward
Awakening is now

And for revealing that truth in a world built on control,
he was murdered.

Not as a sacrifice demanded by God,
but as a threat eliminated by power.

Peace and clarity
TheAwakenSoul

You just love deceiving yourself!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
You just love deceiving yourself!🙂

Why do you think it is self deception?!

Another Krezy delushun coming from the stables of the Antichrist

"A half-truth is even more dangerous than a lie. A lie, you can detect at some stage, but half a truth is sure to mislead you for long."

May God rebuke you and that antichrist spirit that is finding expression through you.

HeatSeeker:
Why do you think it is self deception?!

Do you think he is saying the truth?🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think he is saying the truth?🤔

I am neither for nor against the writings of the Op.

But you need to state what you have against what the Op has written.

Na only u know wetin u dey smoke..

Haba op, why must you said some people's "god" was murdered?
The extremists are coming for your head.

HeatSeeker:
I am neither for nor against the writings of the Op. But you need to state what you have against the what the Op has written.

I have asked you this question before so i'll ask you again.

Do you trust the Bible 100% as inspired word of the one and only true God?

MaxInDHouse:
I have asked you this question before so i'll ask you again.

Do you trust the Bible 100% as inspired word of the one and only true God?

I am not going to answer your leading questions this time...

Simple state why you feel the post of the op is self deception.

HeatSeeker:
I am not going to answer your leading questions this time...
Simple state why you feel the post of the op is self deception.

Surely you don't want to learn otherwise you should be happy and grateful to God that you have found someone here who is LEADING YOU to find answers in the Bible regarding thought provoking questions!

Henceforth please stop quoting me!

Bwilliam:
May God rebuke you and that antichrist spirit that is finding expression through you.

This one is not a rebuke matter. It is a destruction matter

MaxInDHouse:
Surely you don't want to learn otherwise you should be happy and grateful to God that you have found someone here who is LEADING YOU to find answers in the Bible regarding thought provoking questions!

Henceforth please stop quoting me!

You are only interested in leading to your predetermined answers that align with your beliefs. The very beliefs that were obtained as a result of indoctrination.

No truly enlightened person will act in a manner that resembles your own.

The op has stated what he got as a result of his own personal search into truth. If you disagree publicly, then you should simply state why.

I will continue to quote you and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

HeatSeeker:
You are only interested in leading to your predetermined answers that align with your beliefs. The very beliefs that were obtained as a result of indoctrination.
No truly enlightened person will act in a manner that resembles your own.
The op has stated what he got as a result of his own personal search into truth. If you disagree publicly, then you should simply state why.
I will continue to quote you and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

When two other posters said:

Bwilliam:
May God rebuke you and that antichrist spirit that is finding expression through you.

Precious201010:
Na only u know wetin u dey smoke..

And you say this:

HeatSeeker:
I am neither for nor against the writings of the Op.

Surely you are not sincere with yourself as you claim to be a Bible believer so it's good to know you have nothing to do with faith in God's word.

Farewell!🙂

Axis313:
Haba op, why must you said some people's "god" was murdered?
The extremists are coming for your head.

This is actually True.

But the Antichrist chose to pretend not to see that Jesus deliberately went to Jerusalem, the very headquarters of His haters where they did Him this evil, as they fell for God's Trap

So, every reasonable person can see that Jesus offered His Life in sacrifice as He could have saved it at anytime, if He wanted to, lo, that is the Person Who commanded the storm and it obeyed.

But this ivu has come to pervert it to deceive people to join him in the place of damnasion. Verily, verily, The Lord will never forgive him.

MaxInDHouse:
When two other posters said:





And you say this:



Surely you are not sincere with yourself as you claim to be a Bible believer so it's good to know you have nothing to do with faith in God's word.

Farewell!🙂

You are the person who is getting it twisted on all fronts .

I maintain my neutrality in the light of the op's post and it takes nothing away from me. It is you who is rigid and unyielding to alternate views and beliefs that could possibly upend the suspicious doctrines that define you as a person.

MaxInDHouse:
When two other posters said:





And you say this:



Surely you are not sincere with yourself as you claim to be a Bible believer so it's good to know you have nothing to do with faith in God's word.

Farewell!🙂

If I ask u to tell me the meaning of antichrist now u will fumble...

Eating food sacrificed to an idle is not a sin, but for the sake of other believers Paul advised that we shouldn't eat that....

Let me ask u a very sincere question, and answer me without sentiments......

I have a wife that I'm legally married to, and after some years into the marriage she said she's not going to continue with the marriage, and she eventually leaves, and all efforts to reconcile with her proved abortive...

As man man I know that I can't cope without intimacy for no matter how spiritual that I may be, so should I start sleeping around without getting married or should I re marry?

Precious201010:
If I ask u to tell me the meaning of antichrist now u will fumble...

Eating food sacrificed to an idle is not a sin, but for the sake of other believers Paul advised that we shouldn't eat that....

Let me ask u a very sincere question, and answer me without sentiments......

I have a wife that I'm legally married to, and after some years into the marriage she said she's not going to continue with the marriage, and she eventually leaves, and all efforts to reconcile with her proved abortive...

As man man I know that I can't cope without intimacy for no matter how spiritual that I may be, so should I start sleeping around without getting married or should I re marry?

If you typed this with your own hands to address me:

Precious201010:
If I ask u to tell me the meaning of antichrist now u will fumble...

How come you are now asking the same me question regarding your own faith again nah?😟

Don't you have your own pastor that you can ask questions having to do with Bible?🤔

MaxInDHouse:
If you typed this with your own hands to address me:



How come you are now asking the same me question regarding your own faith again nah?😟

Don't you have your own pastor that you can ask questions having to do with Bible?🤔

u don't have anything meaningful to say, Bible is not an emotional Book....

Faithless people like you go about in the first century seeking trouble with Jesus.

They asked him questions when they are not ready to welcome his response! Matthew 21:23

So he asked them a question {Matthew 21:24-24} but they weren't sincere {Matthew 21:26-27} therefore Jesus refused to honor their quest.

You first quoted me with an accusation.

Precious201010:
u don't have anything meaningful to say, Bible is not an emotional Book....

You already said this:

Precious201010:
If I ask u to tell me the meaning of antichrist now u will fumble...

So honestly i'm just asking you what exactly do you want from me?🙂

Theawakensoul:
This topic makes many people uncomfortable, but discomfort is not the same as error.

Let’s slow down and separate what Jesus actually did, what happened to him, and what was later built around his death.

1️⃣ Jesus Was Murdered. Not Sent on a Suicide Mission
The idea that Jesus came specifically to die is a theological interpretation that developed later.

Historically and contextually:
Jesus challenged religious authorities
He exposed hypocrisy
He bypassed temples and priests
He taught direct access to God
He questioned law-based righteousness
He told people the Kingdom was within them
That made him a threat.

Empires and religious institutions don’t execute people for being harmless.
They execute people who disrupt control systems.

Jesus was not killed because God needed blood. He was killed because power structures felt exposed.


2️⃣ “The Kingdom of God Is Within You” Was the Core Message
Jesus did not teach:
“You are permanently broken”
“You need an institution to reach God”
“You must wait until after death”
“Only I have access”

He taught:
God is not far away
God is not locked in a temple
God is not owned by priests
God is accessible now
The divine is within

That message removes:
❌ fear
❌ hierarchy
❌ spiritual middlemen
❌ dependence on systems

And that is precisely why it was dangerous.


3️⃣ Jesus Didn’t Come to Start Christianity
This is a historical fact, not an opinion.
Jesus was Jewish
He lived and taught as a Jewish mystic
He quoted Hebrew scripture
He never used the word “Christian”
He never founded a church
He never created doctrines
He never asked to be worshipped

Christianity emerged decades later, shaped by:
Paul’s theology
Roman politics
Church councils
Empire-backed authority
Doctrinal enforcement

Jesus didn’t start Christianity. Christianity formed around Jesus after his death.


4️⃣ Jesus Was Not a Christian
Calling Jesus a Christian is like calling:
Buddha a Buddhist
Laozi a Taoist
Socrates a Platonist

These systems were built after them.

Jesus lived as a teacher of consciousness, not a religious founder.
He pointed to experience, not belief.
He emphasized inner transformation, not external compliance.


5️⃣ He Didn’t Ask for Worship, He Modeled Awakening
Jesus didn’t say:
“Worship me or perish”
“Build temples in my name”
“Fear eternal punishment”
“Accept doctrines or be rejected”

He said:
“Follow me” (meaning: live this way)
“Do as I do”
“Love as I love”
“Be perfect” (whole, complete)
“You will do greater works”

That’s not a demand for worship. That’s an invitation to embodiment.


6️⃣ Sin Was Not the Center, Separation Was
Jesus wasn’t obsessed with sin the way religion is.

He addressed:
fear
hypocrisy
inner blindness
lack of awareness
disconnection from Source

“Sin” in his context meant missing the mark, not moral depravity.
The “problem” was not that humans were evil.
The problem was that humans forgot who they were.

His message was remembrance, not condemnation.


7️⃣ Why the Message Changed After His Death
After Jesus was gone:
Institutions needed structure
Empires needed order
Control needed theology
Fear worked better than awareness

So the message shifted from:
➡️ “The Kingdom is within you”
to
➡️ “You are separated and need saving”

Religion sold the illness, then sold the cure.

Jesus revealed freedom.
Institutions packaged obedience.

Conclusion
Jesus didn’t come to be worshipped.
He didn’t come to start a religion.
He didn’t come to create fear.
He didn’t come to replace your inner authority.

He came to remind you:
You are not separated from Source
God is not external
Truth is experiential
The path is inward
Awakening is now

And for revealing that truth in a world built on control,
he was murdered.

Not as a sacrifice demanded by God,
but as a threat eliminated by power.

Peace and clarity
TheAwakenSoul

I once say to a friend that God is the same person we call Satan... They all laugh at me... But no qwarm we gather dey...

Jesus died for our sins. Accept him today!

Theawakensoul:
This topic makes many people uncomfortable, but discomfort is not the same as error.

Let’s slow down and separate what Jesus actually did, what happened to him, and what was later built around his death.

1️⃣ Jesus Was Murdered. Not Sent on a Suicide Mission
The idea that Jesus came specifically to die is a theological interpretation that developed later.

Historically and contextually:
Jesus challenged religious authorities
He exposed hypocrisy
He bypassed temples and priests
He taught direct access to God
He questioned law-based righteousness
He told people the Kingdom was within them
That made him a threat.

Empires and religious institutions don’t execute people for being harmless.
They execute people who disrupt control systems.

Jesus was not killed because God needed blood. He was killed because power structures felt exposed.


2️⃣ “The Kingdom of God Is Within You” Was the Core Message
Jesus did not teach:
“You are permanently broken”
“You need an institution to reach God”
“You must wait until after death”
“Only I have access”

He taught:
God is not far away
God is not locked in a temple
God is not owned by priests
God is accessible now
The divine is within

That message removes:
❌ fear
❌ hierarchy
❌ spiritual middlemen
❌ dependence on systems

And that is precisely why it was dangerous.


3️⃣ Jesus Didn’t Come to Start Christianity
This is a historical fact, not an opinion.
Jesus was Jewish
He lived and taught as a Jewish mystic
He quoted Hebrew scripture
He never used the word “Christian”
He never founded a church
He never created doctrines
He never asked to be worshipped

Christianity emerged decades later, shaped by:
Paul’s theology
Roman politics
Church councils
Empire-backed authority
Doctrinal enforcement

Jesus didn’t start Christianity. Christianity formed around Jesus after his death.


4️⃣ Jesus Was Not a Christian
Calling Jesus a Christian is like calling:
Buddha a Buddhist
Laozi a Taoist
Socrates a Platonist

These systems were built after them.

Jesus lived as a teacher of consciousness, not a religious founder.
He pointed to experience, not belief.
He emphasized inner transformation, not external compliance.


5️⃣ He Didn’t Ask for Worship, He Modeled Awakening
Jesus didn’t say:
“Worship me or perish”
“Build temples in my name”
“Fear eternal punishment”
“Accept doctrines or be rejected”

He said:
“Follow me” (meaning: live this way)
“Do as I do”
“Love as I love”
“Be perfect” (whole, complete)
“You will do greater works”

That’s not a demand for worship. That’s an invitation to embodiment.


6️⃣ Sin Was Not the Center, Separation Was
Jesus wasn’t obsessed with sin the way religion is.

He addressed:
fear
hypocrisy
inner blindness
lack of awareness
disconnection from Source

“Sin” in his context meant missing the mark, not moral depravity.
The “problem” was not that humans were evil.
The problem was that humans forgot who they were.

His message was remembrance, not condemnation.


7️⃣ Why the Message Changed After His Death
After Jesus was gone:
Institutions needed structure
Empires needed order
Control needed theology
Fear worked better than awareness

So the message shifted from:
➡️ “The Kingdom is within you”
to
➡️ “You are separated and need saving”

Religion sold the illness, then sold the cure.

Jesus revealed freedom.
Institutions packaged obedience.

Conclusion
Jesus didn’t come to be worshipped.
He didn’t come to start a religion.
He didn’t come to create fear.
He didn’t come to replace your inner authority.

He came to remind you:
You are not separated from Source
God is not external
Truth is experiential
The path is inward
Awakening is now

And for revealing that truth in a world built on control,
he was murdered.

Not as a sacrifice demanded by God,
but as a threat eliminated by power.

Peace and clarity
TheAwakenSoul

.
May you not be used by Ekwesu.

The truth isn’t for everyone. Christ warned against casting pearls where they’ll only be trampled.

That’s all this thread is showing.

Some things are for the mature; some are for those who bark at what they don’t understand.

If they ever grow into it, the truth will meet them.

Theawakensoul:
This topic makes many people uncomfortable, but discomfort is not the same as error.

Let’s slow down and separate what Jesus actually did, what happened to him, and what was later built around his death.

1️⃣ Jesus Was Murdered. Not Sent on a Suicide Mission
The idea that Jesus came specifically to die is a theological interpretation that developed later.

Historically and contextually:
Jesus challenged religious authorities
He exposed hypocrisy
He bypassed temples and priests
He taught direct access to God
He questioned law-based righteousness
He told people the Kingdom was within them
That made him a threat.

Empires and religious institutions don’t execute people for being harmless.
They execute people who disrupt control systems.

Jesus was not killed because God needed blood. He was killed because power structures felt exposed.


2️⃣ “The Kingdom of God Is Within You” Was the Core Message
Jesus did not teach:
“You are permanently broken”
“You need an institution to reach God”
“You must wait until after death”
“Only I have access”

He taught:
God is not far away
God is not locked in a temple
God is not owned by priests
God is accessible now
The divine is within

That message removes:
❌ fear
❌ hierarchy
❌ spiritual middlemen
❌ dependence on systems

And that is precisely why it was dangerous.


3️⃣ Jesus Didn’t Come to Start Christianity
This is a historical fact, not an opinion.
Jesus was Jewish
He lived and taught as a Jewish mystic
He quoted Hebrew scripture
He never used the word “Christian”
He never founded a church
He never created doctrines
He never asked to be worshipped

Christianity emerged decades later, shaped by:
Paul’s theology
Roman politics
Church councils
Empire-backed authority
Doctrinal enforcement

Jesus didn’t start Christianity. Christianity formed around Jesus after his death.


4️⃣ Jesus Was Not a Christian
Calling Jesus a Christian is like calling:
Buddha a Buddhist
Laozi a Taoist
Socrates a Platonist

These systems were built after them.

Jesus lived as a teacher of consciousness, not a religious founder.
He pointed to experience, not belief.
He emphasized inner transformation, not external compliance.


5️⃣ He Didn’t Ask for Worship, He Modeled Awakening
Jesus didn’t say:
“Worship me or perish”
“Build temples in my name”
“Fear eternal punishment”
“Accept doctrines or be rejected”

He said:
“Follow me” (meaning: live this way)
“Do as I do”
“Love as I love”
“Be perfect” (whole, complete)
“You will do greater works”

That’s not a demand for worship. That’s an invitation to embodiment.


6️⃣ Sin Was Not the Center, Separation Was
Jesus wasn’t obsessed with sin the way religion is.

He addressed:
fear
hypocrisy
inner blindness
lack of awareness
disconnection from Source

“Sin” in his context meant missing the mark, not moral depravity.
The “problem” was not that humans were evil.
The problem was that humans forgot who they were.

His message was remembrance, not condemnation.


7️⃣ Why the Message Changed After His Death
After Jesus was gone:
Institutions needed structure
Empires needed order
Control needed theology
Fear worked better than awareness

So the message shifted from:
➡️ “The Kingdom is within you”
to
➡️ “You are separated and need saving”

Religion sold the illness, then sold the cure.

Jesus revealed freedom.
Institutions packaged obedience.

Conclusion
Jesus didn’t come to be worshipped.
He didn’t come to start a religion.
He didn’t come to create fear.
He didn’t come to replace your inner authority.

He came to remind you:
You are not separated from Source
God is not external
Truth is experiential
The path is inward
Awakening is now

And for revealing that truth in a world built on control,
he was murdered.

Not as a sacrifice demanded by God,
but as a threat eliminated by power.

Peace and clarity
TheAwakenSoul

Lol seeing a lot of blanks means some punks have come here to post, glad I don't need to view them.

The only thing I see off from what theawakensoul wrote is that Paul's theology formed Christianity, that would be incorrect seeing that he like the rest of the believers called themselves followers of the Way.

Anyway Jesus dying for sins wasn't a later theology, it was in scriptures before Jesus was born and even thought by Jesus himself, now I do agree that Jesus was murdered as even himself said so before his own death and that how it played out. So Jesus was murdered he didn't commit suicide.


I also absolutely agree that God never needed blood, and the blood of Jesus isn't for God but for sinners coming to repentance and the main reason is to purchase them from the devil. The wicked took his blood as the price to let "us" go. So we are set free and overcome first by that price paid on our behalf that the second death passes over us.

God so loved us that he sent us his son Jesus not for us to kill him but for us to believe in him, listen to him and obey him, even knowing that those who hate Him will kill his son He made even his death of value and rose him up after three days.

The blood of Jesus stands as a testimony against the devil that a man can live without sin and overcome his temptation, a symbol of his defeat bore evidence with the resurrection from the grave, from death above the powers of the wicked.

So everything and all worked out for our good. And that's why Jesus had to teach them from scriptures why the Messiah had to die and rise again.

Yes he was murdered Peter preached it, Paul preached it and those involved hated it, though they didn't preach that to condemn them but to celebrate the glory of God revealed through his resurrection, they failed to repent from their mistake and continued to persecute them.

So while I do agree with certain points in the OP I see no evidence from the involvement of Paul in said corruption of God's word

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Precious201010:
If I ask u to tell me the meaning of antichrist now u will fumble...

Eating food sacrificed to an idle is not a sin, but for the sake of other believers Paul advised that we shouldn't eat that....

Let me ask u a very sincere question, and answer me without sentiments......

I have a wife that I'm legally married to, and after some years into the marriage she said she's not going to continue with the marriage, and she eventually leaves, and all efforts to reconcile with her proved abortive...

As man man I know that I can't cope without intimacy for no matter how spiritual that I may be, so should I start sleeping around without getting married or should I re marry?

remarry

There are many sons of God in heaven in the Bible they are called angels or morning stars {Job 38:7} the first among them is called Michael the archangel {Jude 9} he is the only creature made by God directly {Proverbs 8:22} and he worked with God in the creation of all other things {Proverbs 8:30; Colossians 1:15} God is fond of His only begotten Son so much {Proverbs 8:30; Matthew 3:17} in fact all creatures were made as inheritance belonging to God's only begotten Son! Colossians 1:16

God also loved His first human creature and view him as His Son {Luke 3:38} but after the rebellion in the garden of Eden Adam became a sinner this means Adam chose not to be God's Son anymore but to be independent of God's guidance and not only that Adam also wanted to become God over others (his prospective children) so instead of humbly submitting to God's guidance Adam wanted to set his own standard for all his descendants.
That is what he chose by eating the fruit forbidden for him and his wife! Genesis 2:17; 3:4-5

Sadly most of Adam's descendants took after his footstep as many doesn't want to submit to God's word and at the same time they want to set rules for their fellowman that is what led to human kings and bad rulership negatively affecting billions of lives globally today! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9; compare to 1Samuel 8:10-18

Adam was a perfect human father who supposed to bear perfect children but he never had any children before his rebellion so all his children got infected through his rebellious act therefore they all deserve to die! Romans 5:12

Obedient humans need another perfect human father who will connect us back to our heavenly Father who is the source of life. Psalms 36:9

No human is qualified to stand in for another in this case because we are all Adam's children {Psalms 49:7-9} that is why we need one loyal spirit son of God to put on human flesh in order to set us free {John 6:51} the only spirit son of God who chose to do this is the same Archangel Michael who has always stand for the salvation of God's people {Daniel 12:1} so we have him born into our midst as Jesus his assignment is to serve in four capacities:
*Wonderful Counselor
*Mighty God
*Eternal Father
*Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

As the world's most wonderful counselor Jesus will teach obedient humans how to become submissive to God's will through his words, thoughts and actions.

Just as Moses served as God in the midst of God's people in ancient Israel {Exodus 7:1 compare to Deuteronomy 18:18-19} Jesus will prove to be a mighty God who is able to cure all manners of sickness and assure faithful people that all the promises of God written in the Bible are achievable.

After millions have believed and become obedient to him Jesus will prove to be a better human father than Adam who is capable of living forever as God's loyal son and through him obedient humans will regain what Adam lost which is life everlasting! 1Corinthans 15:45 compare to John 3:16

Jesus will rule over the earth for 1,000 years to restore perfect peace among all the people from different countries throughout the earth who have become his disciples. Act 1:8

So when Jesus said he came to minister (teach by example) and give his life in ransom for many {Matthew 20:28} Jesus is telling us God's provision for our salvation if you believe in him and obey all his commandments you will be allowed into Paradise! Luke 23:43🙂

dollypi:
The truth isn’t for everyone. Christ warned against casting pearls where they’ll only be trampled.

That’s all this thread is showing.

Some things are for the mature; some are for those who bark at what they don’t understand.

If they ever grow into it, the truth will meet them.

Did everyone not understand before? So why is he changing it? For this is how every dark counsel is.

And you only support him because of some of facts of Truth not knowing that the most dangerous lies are those ones which contain Truths in them. And meeting these kind of people is exactly like meeting Satan for this is how Satan always spins his Lies.

Robin Jarvis — 'The most harmful lies and the most hurtful, always contain a grain of truth,

"The half-truth is the most dangerous form of lie, because it can be defended in part by incontestable logic." - Manly Hall.

"The closer to the truth, the better the lie, and the truth itself, when it can be used, is the best lie." - Isaac Asimov.

gohf:
Lol seeing a lot of blanks means some punks have come here to post, glad I don't need to view them.

The only thing I see off from what theawakensoul wrote is that Paul's theology formed Christianity, that would be incorrect seeing that he like the rest of the believers called themselves followers of the Way.

Anyway Jesus dying for sins wasn't a later theology, it was in scriptures before Jesus was born and even thought by Jesus himself, now I do agree that Jesus was murdered as even himself said so before his own death and that how it played out. So Jesus was murdered he didn't commit suicide.


I also absolutely agree that God never needed blood, and the blood of Jesus isn't for God but for sinners coming to repentance and the main reason is to purchase them from the devil. The wicked took his blood as the price to let "us" go. So we are set free and overcome first by that price paid on our behalf that the second death passes over us.

God so loved us that he sent us his son Jesus not for us to kill him but for us to believe in him, listen to him and obey him, even knowing that those who hate Him will kill his son He made even his death of value and rose him up after three days.

The blood of Jesus stands as a testimony against the devil that a man can live without sin and overcome his temptation, a symbol of his defeat bore evidence with the resurrection from the grave, from death above the powers of the wicked.

So everything and all worked out for our good. And that's why Jesus had to teach them from scriptures why the Messiah had to die and rise again.

Yes he was murdered Peter preached it, Paul preached it and those involved hated it, though they didn't preach that to condemn them but to celebrate the glory of God revealed through his resurrection, they failed to repent from their mistake and continued to persecute them.

So while I do agree with certain points in the OP I see no evidence from the involvement of Paul in said corruption of God's word

Do you not see that he said that Jesus did not come to die?

"The idea that Jesus came specifically to die is a theological interpretation that developed later."

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not see that he said that Jesus did not come to die?

"The idea that Jesus came specifically to die is a theological interpretation that developed later."

the purpose of Jesus coming can't be said that he came to die bro, but yeah he died but the death isn't the main point of his coming but part of the message of salvation in that Jesus rose from the dead which can't occur without him dying.

If you truly believe Jesus came to die then his didn't have to be born, nor grow up and teach, all he had to do was come and die and stay dead. This is what he wrote "The idea that Jesus came specifically to die... " which isn't the SPECIFIC REASON Jesus came.

Shey there's a church that celebrates his death every sunday, lol

gohf:
the purpose of Jesus coming can't be said that he came to die bro, but yeah he died but the death isn't the main point of his coming but part of the message of salvation in that Jesus rose from the dead which can't occur without him dying.

If you truly believe Jesus came to die then his didn't have to be born, nor grow up and teach, all he had to do was come and die and stay dead. This is what he wrote "The idea that Jesus came specifically to die... " which isn't the SPECIFIC REASON Jesus came.

Shey there's a church that celebrates his death every sunday, lol

I knew his saying the word "specific reason" caught you but I did not know that you believed that Jesus did not come to die. Which explains why you agree with him.

Whereas, everything Jesus Taught, is exactly what the prophets taught also. So, if it is about teaching, then He need not come as, as He said in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, "we have the prophets", so one more Prophet is not of much value.

But if you remember that The Law demanded sin offering, because of The Law of sin and guilt, you would now understand that Christ's main purpose and aim for coming which was different from the other prophets was to die to save mankind.

A fact which Lawyer Paul, took the pains of explaining in detail in Hebrew from chapter 4 to 9 and in other letters but you obviously did not get it