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Valto:
not really , there are several people on this thread , using my batteries since 2020

False! my 48v 16kwh battery with actual capacity of over 16.8kwh is 65ok to 700k cheaper than lvtopsun 16kwh battery it is made with brand new grade A 12,000 cycles cells and the best JK latest version V19 smart bms with communication ports, and original CHINT 125A 2pole DC circuit breaker , original 2pairs 200A battery terminals !

dacool1:
I'll advice you let go, should he insist he delivered what you both agreed on.

I must say I'm seriously disappointed regards the comments I read up there. Most people supporting this level of greed are birds of same feather. How do you justify non disclosure of material facts.

Something I know is the installer just soiled his reputation. Whether the issue is resolved or not, in the future this will hunt him.

He is in this situation because he believed you are quite more knowledgeable in these matters.

Well in business it's 'BUYERS BEWARE'. You played a fast one on him because he trusted your professional guidance.

Yet you all complain that your clients prefer to get everything themselves and call you for installations only. You recommended a different product to your customer just to make more profit.

To the client, I suggest you let go after these efforts aimed at effecting the correction. Try move past it.

Judgementday666:
He was scammed. Let him vent.

Obnoxious2001:
This things goes both ways.

I was actually refraining from saying anything on this subject, but let me make my contributions.

If OP had procured the materials himself and reached out just for installation services and he was charged a percentage of the worth of materials, on this forum a lot of folks will say it's a rip off.
( speaking from an electrical installation perspective, the regulatory body allows you to charge within 10-15% ).

If the contractor, is fully aware of a particular product downside been procured by the client, he will likely take blames for not disclosing it.

Now, in this case we are mentioning greed, let's do a cost analysis of both products.

Lvtopsun
From the company it will cost around ₦1,650,000 this is the average cost of lithium batteries in Nigeria from any Chinese company

(This is likely why deriy batteries are quite cheaper)
Dealers get a margin of around 10%
So let's round off to ₦165,000

This brings the cost to around ₦1,815,000.

Then Alaba market price is 1.9m -2.2m.

Nigerian assembled
The still sell around the same ₦1,650,000 - ₦1,700,000

And they operate with B2C model. So their cost is almost low.

The question is, how many percent margin should you charge as a service provider/contractor?

I don't know what the warranty terms are, but the client will likely hold the service provider/contractor responsible.


What's the essence of this analysis
We are looking the 400k difference in price is quite huge because it's a Nigerian made product. Aftersales service are secondary problem.

I intentionally ignored logistics.( Op had a budget of 100k for logistics and delivery)
Which likely bring Mr Reed battery to 1.9m

Look at the situation from the cost and not just the amount of money. This is a good basics for resolution

BigDickProblems:
People are now making up calculations for the accused, some are outrightly justifying something bad, then you start to wonder why they are doing that. Even the accused did not make all these calculations.

I throw spit at you all in this, Nigeria is duumed. Damn.

Valto:
not really , there are several people on this thread , using my batteries since 2020

False! my 48v 16kwh battery with actual capacity of over 16.8kwh is 65ok to 700k cheaper than lvtopsun 16kwh battery it is made with brand new grade A 12,000 cycles cells and the best JK latest version V19 smart bms with communication ports, and original CHINT 125A 2pole DC circuit breaker , original 2pairs 200A battery terminals !

BryanWyatt:
16kwh Lvtopsun battery is water proof and it can be installed outside especially where space is a constraint and landlords that fear fire outbreak from battery. It also has fire extinguisher and wifi for remote monitoring of the battery cells

Valto:
lolz , so these few details make it to be 700k more costly ?
LVTOPSUN 16KWH used, gangfeng 314ah cells that pulls 323ah on capacity test

VALTECH ENERGY uses brand new Gotion 314ah cells that pulls over 333ah on capacity test with 12,000 cycles. we uses the latest version V19 JK 200A 2A active balancer smart inverter bms with communication ports, our batteries has superior Bluetooth monitoring app. original CHINT 125A 2pole DC circuit.
A well coupled battery doesn't need any fire extinguisher also let me educate u, lifepo4 cells rarely catch fire, rather it smokes and your fire extinguisher ,can't stop or prevent it from doing so.
as for installing it outside ,goodluck with that in Nigeria , u will wake up without light and your batteries

BigDickProblems:
People are now making up calculations for the accused, some are outrightly justifying something bad, then you start to wonder why they are doing that. Even the accused did not make all these calculations.

I throw spit at you all in this, Nigeria is duumed. Damn.

Drgreatone:
I still dont understand some of the comments made here especially on a business deal that we were not involved in from the onset. Instead of encouraging them to resolve their issues amicably, its judgement some are passing and calling the vendor names as if una holy pass.
U can not dictate the amount a businessman sells his products, no where in the world is that done. Wud this uproar still be same if the client didnt know battery was gotten from Mr Reed? Or if he had gotten same from Alaba?
Some of u here buy soft drinks/water at exorbitant prices at restaurants/hotels but see no issue with it yet if the woman by the street attempts it, all hell wud be let loose and even she wud be called names. The hypocrisy!!!
Some ppl here advertised their goods at ? exorbitant prices and u cant blame them as its business but one benefit of this group has been to link u directly to direct sellers so u can get it cheap. Its ow I got to know valto, danfreey,mr reed, zeestone and even fouani.
Like the slogan on the TG solar group, everyone is encouraged to DYOR(do your own research). Its to avoid tales like this.
We will all be fine last last.
If i give u price and you dont like it, look for someone else. The sky is big enough for all the birds to fly in.

bassdow:
see eh, in Nigeria, issue no be say you thief or defraud person, most times issue be say no be me do am hence reason why a hardened criminal go follow pannel beat a mere thief wey chop food no pay money complete.

A lot of us go criticize you so tey you go think say we any different.

Major issue be say, the bros for at least ensure all the features worked including the commnunication port. Why I go spend such funds and something as common as communication port no dey/work + the client kinda seem reasonable hence wondering why they allowed this come to public scrutiny

jmaine:
LVTOPSUN 16kwh is N2.6 M currently ..... How much is yours....?

adrusa:
This situation is not about a simple vendor–buyer relationship. It involves an installer who deliberately misrepresented the cost of a battery in order to charge an excessive price for the material, on top of his labour and service fees.
The installer did not claim to be the seller of the battery. Instead, he falsely told his client that the inflated price was the actual cost of the battery, and that it was equivalent in quality to his preferred choice — which was untrue.
While it’s common for artisans to add a markup on materials as part of their business model, doing so through deception is unethical. A modest fee for logistics or handling is understandable, but a markup of 30% or more — amounting to hundreds of thousands in profit on a single battery — is unreasonable.
If someone wants to profit from selling materials, they should operate transparently as a retailer, where they can set prices as they wish. As an installer, however, the fair approach is to charge openly for labour and logistics, not to disguise excessive profit margins within the material cost.

adrusa:
This situation is not about a simple vendor–buyer relationship. It involves an installer who deliberately misrepresented the cost of a battery in order to charge an excessive price for the material, on top of his labour and service fees.
The installer did not claim to be the seller of the battery. Instead, he falsely told his client that the inflated price was the actual cost of the battery, and that it was equivalent in quality to his preferred choice — which was untrue.
While it’s common for artisans to add a markup on materials as part of their business model, doing so through deception is unethical. A modest fee for logistics or handling is understandable, but a markup of 30% or more — amounting to hundreds of thousands in profit on a single battery — is unreasonable.
If someone wants to profit from selling materials, they should operate transparently as a retailer, where they can set prices as they wish. As an installer, however, the fair approach is to charge openly for labour and logistics, not to disguise excessive profit margins within the material cost.

Drgreatone:
I doubt if there's an installer who isnt also a retailer. Its why u get different quotes from different ppl based on their access to items/profit margin.
If u want the service of an installer alone, then its best to get all the materials urself from the company/wholesaler and all the installer does is come and install. Its what most of us would do and then this scenario wont play out.
If u want the installer getting the items, do ur own diligence too so u can get ur money's worth.

Valto:
doesn't make business sense, no space is saved, price is higher than 2pcs of 314ah and they are the same size

Unfaized:
I don't support what Trippledot did. Marking up by a whole 400k off one item in the entire project begs the question how much mark up was done on other items. U still went ahead to charge premium for your services.

Even the builder isn't making such profit per unit. Let's stop pretending, nobody would give a project to a contractor after discovering such huge mark ups. It's pure greed. Nothing else.

I will call you out, just like I'll send warning out to my friends if a contractor tries to bank off my ignorance. Not saying you shouldn't eat, but 400k for a single item without giving me the feature packed one is pure greed man. Do the right thing.

Drgreatone:
I still dont understand some of the comments made here especially on a business deal that we were not involved in from the onset. Instead of encouraging them to resolve their issues amicably, its judgement some are passing and calling the vendor names as if una holy pass.
U can not dictate the amount a businessman sells his products, no where in the world is that done. Wud this uproar still be same if the client didnt know battery was gotten from Mr Reed? Or if he had gotten same from Alaba?
Some of u here buy soft drinks/water at exorbitant prices at restaurants/hotels but see no issue with it yet if the woman by the street attempts it, all hell wud be let loose and even she wud be called names. The hypocrisy!!!
Some ppl here advertised their goods at ? exorbitant prices and u cant blame them as its business but one benefit of this group has been to link u directly to direct sellers so u can get it cheap. Its ow I got to know valto, danfreey,mr reed, zeestone and even fouani.
Like the slogan on the TG solar group, everyone is encouraged to DYOR(do your own research). Its to avoid tales like this.
We will all be fine last last.
If i give u price and you dont like it, look for someone else. The sky is big enough for all the birds to fly in.

Drgreatone:
I still dont understand some of the comments made here especially on a business deal that we were not involved in from the onset. Instead of encouraging them to resolve their issues amicably, its judgement some are passing and calling the vendor names as if una holy pass.
U can not dictate the amount a businessman sells his products, no where in the world is that done. Wud this uproar still be same if the client didnt know battery was gotten from Mr Reed? Or if he had gotten same from Alaba?
Some of u here buy soft drinks/water at exorbitant prices at restaurants/hotels but see no issue with it yet if the woman by the street attempts it, all hell wud be let loose and even she wud be called names. The hypocrisy!!!
Some ppl here advertised their goods at ? exorbitant prices and u cant blame them as its business but one benefit of this group has been to link u directly to direct sellers so u can get it cheap. Its ow I got to know valto, danfreey,mr reed, zeestone and even fouani.
Like the slogan on the TG solar group, everyone is encouraged to DYOR(do your own research). Its to avoid tales like this.
We will all be fine last last.
If i give u price and you dont like it, look for someone else. The sky is big enough for all the birds to fly in.

Valto:
lolz , so these few details make it to be 700k more costly ?
LVTOPSUN 16KWH used, gangfeng 314ah cells that pulls 323ah on capacity test

VALTECH ENERGY uses brand new Gotion 314ah cells that pulls over 333ah on capacity test with 12,000 cycles. we uses the latest version V19 JK 200A 2A active balancer smart inverter bms with communication ports, our batteries has superior Bluetooth monitoring app. original CHINT 125A 2pole DC circuit.
A well coupled battery doesn't need any fire extinguisher also let me educate u, lifepo4 cells rarely catch fire, rather it smokes and your fire extinguisher ,can't stop or prevent it from doing so.
as for installing it outside ,goodluck with that in Nigeria , u will wake up without light and your batteries

mctfopt:
Bro easy on the 12,000 cycles as that claim is sort of gimmicky

mctfopt:
Bro easy on the 12,000 cycles as that claim is sort of gimmicky

smallsmall:
God bless you abundantly this New Year, for saying it, as it is.
Thanks. And you too

jmaine:
LVTOPSUN 16kwh is N2.6 M currently ..... How much is yours....?

jmaine:
24 Hours later and Valto has ignored the simple question. Okay oo..

SolomonGrundy:
Such mark up is diabolical. I don't know why people are so economical with the truth. I feel so irritated reading some takes here about the whole thing.

Over profiteering off someone all in the name of "it's business" is the most crazy thing I've ever heard.

Some persons want to make all the millions in this world off just one job. Smh

HeavenlyBang:
Pretty sure he lists prices on jiji.