₦airaland Forum

nairalanda1:
1.Band A pay cost reflective tarrifs. Band B, C, D, E don't
2.Band A can pay as high as n230 or more. Band C maybe n160, or less. Band B is around 180 naira...
3.Band A consumers are being rewarded for paying more in power supply, not for being 'rich'. One can be rich and live in a band C area, one can be poor and live in a band A area.
4. The difference between cost of power and the actual tarifis payed by Band B-E is supposed to be made up by a subsidy from government, which government is still struggling to pay, and even if they paid, it isn't enough

Why should government divide electricity supply in various bands with only band A having reasonable light. Why not keep everyone on the same tariff and supply light on equal basis to all. Which countries practice such discriminatory power supply in world.

Odingo1:
Why should government divide electricity supply in various bands with only band A having reasonable light. Why not keep everyone on the same tariff and supply light on equal basis to all. Which countries practice such discriminatory power supply in world.

1.Because the government does not want to make everyone pay cost reflective tarrifs. Too unpopular
2.Because Nigerians do not want to pay cost reflectitve tarrifs. Too unpopular
3.Right now,we all need to pay between N230-300 per kwh to get enough light...eventually. Nigerians will start shouting poverty and oppression and refuse to pay
4.Because government wanted to reduce subsidy payments for power, so they created the band A thing.

Macphenson:
The total electricity we generate as a nation is not more than 5000 kilowatts for 200 million people. How exactly did electricity improve? South Africa generates over 25000 kilowatts of electricity.

Your own issue is ignorance.

You're confusing electricity generated from public supply with total electricity generated in a country. Go and study first so that you will understand how ignorant you sound when comparing SA's total electricity to fraction of total electricity generated in Nigeria represented by public supply.

Una never see anything

nairalanda1:
lol...It sounds like a lot of money

But

1.We need ten trillion yearly for the next ten years, at least, before we see power improve to 24 hours a day power
2.That's the money from those who actually pay, not those who bypass their meters, and steal power.
3.The majority of those who actually do pay...either underpay, or pay subsidised rate, with a minority paying band A or cost reflective rates.

One trillion eh? A gas powered station generating 5000 MW will cost 10 trillion naira.

Newspapers and media should put things in context. Just because na trillion does not mean it is enough.

Is it the consumers that will provide the 10tr?

According to online data. Power bank and rechargeable fan are among the highest commodity that is selling fast online.

Especially power bank. The her is no household you can't find at least more than 3.

Its a testament of power failure

I pity for people that think that paying 20% tax will fix anything in this country lol.

You will truly hate being NIgeria by the end of 2026

Bananapill:
Is it the consumers that will provide the 10tr?

Ideally if every consumer pays a cost reflective tarrif, it would attract investment to the power sector.

This is because every investor knows they will see a ROI since everyone is now paying cost reflective tarrif , and government is not forcing price controls on the sector.

It is that investment that will give us the ten trillion naira.


Ivory Coast in the early 1990's deregulated their power sector and made everyone pay cost reflective tarrifs. The result was a rush in investment. EVEN the world bank invested in their electricity sector! As a result....the last time there was grid collapse was in the 1980's. You have to be over 45 as an Ivorien to recall electricity grid collapse.And no blackouts at all.

seunmsg:
Apart from occasional times when the national grid has issues, most Nigerian households enjoy a minimum of 15-20 hours of electricity in urban areas. So, which blackouts are they talking about?

u lie big time. very big time lie

Coder2Client:
I heard a loud noise around 12 o'clock this morning. It's our transformer that got exploded.

Who should replace or repair the transformer the community or the IKEDC?

The community, welcome to Nigeria. If your area is a commercial viable area, they will fix it immediately because of revenue loss🤷🏿.

seunmsg:
Apart from occasional times when the national grid has issues, most Nigerian households enjoy a minimum of 15-20 hours of electricity in urban areas. So, which blackouts are they talking about?

Lol. You guys are funny. With the band segregation, you posted fallacy unless you are in band A. I'm taking about the period under review. I reside in Lagos State.

seunmsg:
Apart from occasional times when the national grid has issues, most Nigerian households enjoy a minimum of 15-20 hours of electricity in urban areas. So, which blackouts are they talking about?

speak for your house, I don't know why people feels everything is ok just because it's ok for them

nairalanda1:
Ideally if every consumer pays a cost reflective tarrif, it would attract investment to the power sector.

This is because every investor knows they will see a ROI since everyone is now paying cost reflective tarrif , and government is not forcing price controls on the sector.

It is that investment that will give us the ten trillion naira.


Ivory Coast in the early 1990's deregulated their power sector and made everyone pay cost reflective tarrifs. The result was a rush in investment. EVEN the world bank invested in their electricity sector! As a result....the last time there was grid collapse was in the 1980's. You have to be over 45 as an Ivorien to recall electricity grid collapse.And no blackouts at all.

It's not consumers attitude that will attract investors.
How old are you and when last did you experience steady power supply.
Imagine all the tax Nigerians pay from buying simple recharge cards to shopping at the malls, nothing the government has done.
If I tell you the deductions from my Zenith bank account every month.to rax from salary over the years, the government has no excuse for not generating enough power.
The corruption in Nigeria is very corrupt.
Refineries are down, no good roads, no good health care ....just to name a few...
Tell me what is government or those in government doing?

Energy theft is a major problem here . Power projects are not cheap .

Imagine spending 80k on electricity monthly with just AC and washing machine, now add other appliances to it and someone will be spending roughly 150k monthly on electricity. Pls how much am I earning.

nairalanda1:
lol...It sounds like a lot of money

But

1.We need ten trillion yearly for the next ten years, at least, before we see power improve to 24 hours a day power
2.That's the money from those who actually pay, not those who bypass their meters, and steal power.
3.The majority of those who actually do pay...either underpay, or pay subsidised rate, with a minority paying band A or cost reflective rates.

One trillion eh? A gas powered station generating 5000 MW will cost 10 trillion naira.

Newspapers and media should put things in context. Just because na trillion does not mean it is enough.

The payment is for electricity they supplied.
If they supply more, they'll receive more.
There's no better context to put it than this.

Also, talking about needing 10 trillion yearly to get 24 hours power supply is just rhetorics.
We currently generate less than 7k megawatts for a population of well over 200M people, when South Africa and Egypt are both generating well over 58k megawatts for their population of about 120M people.

To improve and achieve adequate power supply in the next ten years, then the discussion now should be on building more power generation plants.

With your second point, you make it look as though the consumers are underpaying and cheating the Discos, when in actual sense, that's false. You fail to take cognisance of the huge amount of revenue stolen by the officials of these Discos, majorly from unmetered consumers.

And, Just to put it right, every consumer using prepaid meter pays for what they consume, those who don't use prepaid meters pay for what they don't even consume and they are billed monthly, highlighting the Discos officials' massive consumer exploitation, as a huge bulk of revenue collected from unmetered consumer is siphoned.

Lastly, no consumer is enjoying subsidized electricity.

morikee:
I know you will be the first to spew nonsense

My Area is under Band A and paying premium but i don't know the last time we had more than 10 hrs of supply

That's obviously not band A if you're not enjoying at least 18hours a day.
I'm also under Band A and we sometimes use over 20hours a day. My concern is how expensive the electricity is, it's becoming unbearable.

nairalanda1:
1.Because the government does not want to make everyone pay cost reflective tarrifs. Too unpopular
2.Because Nigerians do not want to pay cost reflectitve tarrifs. Too unpopular
3.Right now,we all need to pay between N230-300 per kwh to get enough light...eventually. Nigerians will start shouting poverty and oppression and refuse to pay
4.Because government wanted to reduce subsidy payments for power, so they created the band A thing.

It doesn’t make sense that some people have reasonable more power supply via band A while others are in blackout. In a reasonable country there will be protest over that, that is discrimination among citizens. A Government should give light to its citizens on equal basis without these stories. Everyone should pay equal tariffs, if citizens can’t pay then that is failure by that government to provide job opportunities and thriving business opportunities to it citizens so that they can pay for their living expenses. If everyone is in band A, a prepaid meter will be supplied to all households, if anyone can’t pay, they can regulate how much they pay by switching off their lights when it is not needed.

Bananapill:
It's not consumers attitude that will attract investors.

Unfortunately it is. You wont want to invest in a business where only a tiny minority are paying the prices for the goods the business sets, whie the majority either steals the goods, or underpays, you won't see any proft.

How old are you and when last did you experience steady power supply.

LOL...you think I am not a nigerian? Okay o.

Imagine all the tax Nigerians pay from buying simple recharge cards to shopping at the malls, nothing the government has done.
If I tell you the deductions from my Zenith bank account every month.to rax from salary over the years, the government has no excuse for not generating enough power.

All that is part of the 20 trillion government earns in revenue, which is part of the revenue we are using for this year's budget.

Plus, it isn't income tax we are talking about, which most people do not pay, and which most don't bother with

Finally, you are not representative of most nigerians too.

The corruption in Nigeria is very corrupt.

Did I say there is no corruption in Nigeria? Projecting much, or attacking a strawman much?

Plus, even if corruption was eliminated, and it should be, we would still have a very scanty budget. 55 trllion cannot , even if well spent, with zero corruption, give us a sane countries lifestyle.

Plus, it seems you have forgotten that power was privatised in 2014, except for transmission, which anyway relies on most of its income from what it gets paid by the discos and gencos.

Refineries are down, no good roads, no good health care ....just to name a few...

Yes, refineries are down because in 1993, when they were still working, we were told to remove subsides, which if done, whould have enabled them to make enough profits to keep on running as they were, and even get upgraded

You people said no, and you said no in 2005, 2012, 2015, and so on, until the debt incurred to pay subsides was on the verge of eating all our budget. Hence the forced removal

You refine something at N710 and you want them to sell it at N40? You go get profit to fix and upgrade refinery?

As for roads...lol. IN 2002, Obasanjo ended road tolls. We all cherred him, not knowing we were doing ourselves. Meanwhile countries that toll their roads have them working well.

Healthcare...our budget for health care last year was less than half of what Harvard university spent last year. And it is from that money you expect good comprehensive health care?

Your government is not making enough money...that is why it is useless.

Tell me what is government or those in government doing?

Power was privatised in 2014. You should have made noise and prevented them from privatising the power sector back then. The government then gave enough time for Nigerians to object to the power privatisation, and very few people turned up.

Power was privatised in 2014..na u and mi wey go pay for am now.

seunmsg:
Apart from occasional times when the national grid has issues, most Nigerian households enjoy a minimum of 15-20 hours of electricity in urban areas. So, which blackouts are they talking about?

Speak for your community and don’t generalize. It’s a shitshow how the power sector have been politicized with all sorts of tools including the minister.

With all the big talk, nothing has changed! As a matter of fact, things have gone downhill only that Nigerians are paying through their nose for a service that is not there!

"This is despite repeated complaints of low power supply among electricity consumers and incessant cases of blackouts in many locations nationwide."

What is the percentage of consumers with prepaid meters? Will you say they pay for what they didn't use

When we say pay for blackout..I think this should solely be consumers without prepaid meters... because those with meters pay for what they consume. No consumption..no payment

FreeStuffsNG:
Your own issue is ignorance.

You're confusing electricity generated from public supply with total electricity generated in a country. Go and study first so that you will understand how ignorant you sound when comparing SA's total electricity to fraction of total electricity generated in Nigeria represented by public supply.

Your assertion reeks of absolute ignorance. You cannot isolate electricity generation from electricitya distribution. Are you distributing air if you don't generate?

Common sense should tell you that you only distribute what you are able to generate but unfortunately common sense is lacking in agbadorians.

Odingo1:
It doesn’t make sense that some people have reasonable more power supply via band A

Ayup, you want people that actually pay cost reflective tarrifs to have bad supply?

maybe id we all paid cost reflective tarrifs

while others are in blackout. In a reasonable country there will be protest over that, that is discrimination among citizens. A Government should give light to its citizens on equal basis without these stories

When most people steal or underpay for power, the power sector cannot pay for full power for everyone.

By the way, power was privatised in 2014. Looks like you didn't know.

But if it wasn't, the amount of debt that government would take on under your conditions could eventually cause the country to collapse economically. Lessons from the DDR and the USSR and many other former communist countries who took on hefty debts to supply power to everyone there.




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Everyone should pay equal tariffs,

AYup, everytime it is suggested we all pay cost reflective tarrifs...people shout poverty and oppression. So, government gave up.;;lol. You would too if you were government.

if citizens can’t pay then that is failure by that government to provide job opportunities and thriving business opportunities to it citizens so that they can pay for their living expenses

I don't think any government in the world has achieved that, otherwise people won't be complaining about cost of living in the developed world, and expensive things there too.

If it was that easy, then saner climes should not hav emillions on credit card debt.

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If everyone is in band A, a prepaid meter will be supplied to all household, if anyone can’t pay, they can regulate how much they pay by switching off their lights when it not needed.

Again, most nigerians do not want to pay band A prices. And most exisiting meter holders bypass their meters. It's an attiude problem, not just a money problem

seunmsg:
Apart from occasional times when the national grid has issues, most Nigerian households enjoy a minimum of 15-20 hours of electricity in urban areas. So, which blackouts are they talking about?

Where have you been? People give testimony if they see light one in two weeks.

danietohbadt:
The payment is for electricity they supplied.
If they supply more, they'll receive more.
There's no better context to put it than this.

Well, that's what I was saying , old man.

Also, talking about needing 10 trillion yearly to get 24 hours power supply is just rhetorics.
We currently generate less than 7k megawatts for a population of well over 200M people, when South Africa and Egypt are both generating well over 58k megawatts for their population of about 120M people.

10 trillion yearly for ten years will get us up to 32000mw...which is what we need for eveyrone on the grid.

Also, the Saffers and the descendants of the Pharoahs are paying cost reflective tarrifs, thats why they have power supply well well.

And it is not my rhetoric...it's what the experts have said.

To improve and achieve adequate power supply in the next ten years, then the discussion now should be on building more power generation plants.

Which is where the ten trillion naira yearly will come in, oga.

Like now, it costs ten trillion to build a 5000mw gas powered station. Ten trillion naira, not dollars US or hong kong, or aussie. or pounds sterling or australian

With your second point, you make it look as though the consumers are underpaying and cheating the Discos, when in actual sense, that's false. You fail to take cognisance of the huge amount of revenue stolen by the officials of these Discos, majorly from unmetered consumers.

OKay let's see

1.Pwc says so.
2.Even the figures from the actual agency say so...most nigerians bypass their meters
3.The band B-E people are paying subsidised power, which is basically underpayment by a polite name
4.Power theft is common

Don;t deny it.

And, Just to put it right, every consumer using prepaid meter pays for what they consume, those who don't use prepaid meters pay for what they don't even consume and they are billed monthly, highlighting the Discos officials' massive consumer exploitation, as a huge bulk of revenue collected from unmetered consumer is siphoned.

Including the 60% who bypass their meters?

Lastly, no consumer is enjoying subsidized electricity.

Well, if you are not on band A, you are paying subsidsed electricity

If there was no subsidy, your power bill would be charged at N230 or more per kwh. That is not the truth.

If you call me a liar, I will be amused with you..

Shimmaa:
That's obviously not band A if you're not enjoying at least 18hours a day.
I'm also under Band A and we sometimes use over 20hours a day. My concern is how expensive the electricity is, it's becoming unbearable.

Bro it's Band A we got 4 units for 1K

gentlesmithugo:
very annoying thing.always capping thrash

Do you think that he is the alternate ego of that penkelemess minister who wanst to replace PDP's Makinde in Oyo 2027



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lba6Uf64Ogc

Imagine paying for something and not seeing value for your money

nairalanda1:
If you were running a business where only 20% of people pay the price you set that would enable you remain solvent, and the rest underpay or do not pay at all, and government subsidy payments are not coming in for those on subsidised prices, you go call that profitable?

You don't know the seriousness of the problem. 1.2 trillion is not going to fix power. Especially since most of that income is going for salaries and debts, very limited amount for actual fixing of power.

10-15 trillion or more is what this country power sector needs on a yearly basis. Before it makes sense.

My brother I don't know which area people do not pay their light bill and 'NEPA' allow u to rest without them disconnecting your light.
I have never seen heartless people light those set of people.
It is either the don't remit the money in full or they remit it at all.
By now the government suppose to give consumers prepared meter.

It depends on the appliances usage in your household.

yesloaded:
This is one of the extortion that we are talking about

These guys will not distribute prepaid metres to areas under band C, D, & E but will be giving them estimated billings anyhow. Consumers need to team up and demand for prepaid metres. If distribution companies cannot give them prepaid metres, they should stop paying estimated billings. How can someone under Band E with cumulative power supply of less than 1kwh be charged 5k naira & above in a month? That's pure robbery

AMI3:
My brother I don't know which area people do not pay their light bill and 'NEPA' allow u to rest without them disconnecting your light.
I have never seen heartless people light those set of people.
It is either the don't remit the money in full or they remit it at all.
By now the government suppose to give consumers prepared meter.

You and the people you know don't represent most Nigerians

Also power is privatized. Has been for 12 years. Not government responsibility to give you meter