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Truthseeker10:
According to Ecclesiastics 3:19, does the verse say that Even "though they share the same breath yet the breath they share ain't the same"? What kind of a contradictory Statement is this?

Does not Ecclesiastics 3:19 claim that man shares the same breath or spirit with animals?

Below is Genesis 6:17 and Genesis 7:21.


King James Bible
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17And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die


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21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died


According to Genesis 7:21 above, are you claiming that the created man is in our nose?

Does Genesis 6:17 and Genesis 7:21 say that the breath of life of animals and man is not the same?

Can you kindly show me a verse where man is called a spirit?

According to Genesis 3:19, Did God ever claim that man was a spirit?

According to Genesis 2:7 and Genesis 1:26, does the verses claim that Adam was a spirit with a soul? If yes, show us.

If man isn't a spirit as you want me to believe? What is he then. Is he just a lump of mud with the breath of life in him as the animals?
You're good at dodging answers. Now answer mine first and let's take it from there. For your info look into and analyse the scenario of Gen 3 and follow the discourse of satan and Eve in the garden. Until then I have nothing to contribute to your deceptive arguments.

AngelahFlo:
If man isn't a spirit as you want me to believe? What is he then. Is he just a lump of mud with the breath of life in him as the animals?
You're good at dodging answers. Now answer mine first and let's take it from there. For your info look into and analyse the scenario of Gen 3 and follow the discourse of satan and Eve in the garden. Until then I have nothing to contribute to your deceptive arguments.

If man is a spirit, explain Genesis 7:21 below.

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21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died


According to Genesis 7:21 above, are you claiming that the created man or spirit man is in our nose?

Can you kindly show me a verse where man is called a spirit?

Are you insinuating that Adam was created as a spirit in heaven and was with God before coming to earth?

According to Genesis 3:19, Did God ever claim that adam was a spirit?

According to Genesis 2:7 and Genesis 1:26, does the verses claim that Adam was a spirit with a soul? If yes, show us.

AngelahFlo:
Young man if you're saying that the created man and the formed man are two different entities then you must be really confused. The created man in Gen 1:26 and 27 and the formed man in Genesis 2 are one and the same.

No they are not the same entity and are very clearly not one and the same, since they were created on different days, were given different duties, and were told to eat different things!

If this were an English comprehension test, one question would be 'on what day was Adam created'? You'd fail if you said the sixth.

AngelahFlo:
The truth is we're going back to who we were before the Fall but it's not now.

I should hope we are not.

Before that supposed fall, Adam was a naked ignorant slave in the Garden of Eden until Eve fed him with knowledge that opened his eyes so he could be freed from slavery and become self employed and populate the earth and die 800 years after he supposedly fell.

I, for one, would not want fall back into being naked and ignorant and enslaved!

budaatum:
I should hope we are not.

Before that supposed fall, Adam was a naked ignorant slave in the Garden of Eden until Eve fed him with knowledge that opened his eyes so he could be freed from slavery and become self employed and populate the earth and die 800 years after he supposedly fell.

I, for one, would not want fall back into being naked and ignorant and enslaved!

Mr Budaatum it's good to read from you. Your views are anti scriptural I must admit not because the whites introduced us to the Bible but because this gospel is real. Adam was naked, yeah but he wasn't ashamed of his supposed unclothedness because he was clothed with the glory of God which made him not to be aware of his unclothedness. We are going back to that former state when Christ comes and receives those who has been redeemed. We will have a resurrected body at that time but for now we will have to contend with what we have now. Thanks for your contribution anyways.

Truthseeker10:
If man is a spirit, explain Genesis 7:21 below.

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21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died


According to Genesis 7:21 above, are you claiming that the created man or spirit man is in our nose?

Can you kindly show me a verse where man is called a spirit?

Are you insinuating that Adam was created as a spirit in heaven and was with God before coming to earth?

According to Genesis 3:19, Did God ever claim that adam was a spirit?

According to Genesis 2:7 and Genesis 1:26, does the verses claim that Adam was a spirit with a soul? If yes, show us.

Mr Truthseeker I respect your arguments. They are presented from a point of view that is opposing to mine and God according to scripture so I'll deal with you as I would deal with a student who's searching for answers. If you're doubtful about man bring a spirit being it means you doubt your makeup. Who are you really Mr Truthseeker? A lump of mud with the breath of life or a spirit being made in the image of God according to Genesis 1:26. If you can answer that then we can proceed otherwise you're telling me(us) reading and following this thread that you're not a spirit being but something else entirely. Until you can answer that. I have no answer for you.

AngelahFlo:
I never did any of such thing you claim. Like I said I didn't make any of that up. If you don't see it and you claim I'm tryna be smart, well it's your opinion. God bless you.

Oga, you were caught in a lie

AngelahFlo:
Mr Budaatum it's good to read from you. Your views are anti scriptural I must admit not because the whites introduced us to the Bible but because this gospel is real. Adam was naked, yeah but he wasn't ashamed of his supposed unclothedness because .....

My views are simply anti-what-you've-been-told-to-believe, and like Adam, you are afraid to use your own mind for fear you might die. No insult intended.

If you think of it, Jesus would not ever tell anyone not to eat fruits of knowledge, and with some thought, it would not be odd to think Jesus himself feeds people with knowledge and even the fruits of trees of life. For how else is one supposed to live the eternal life he promised without eating fruits of trees of knowledge and of life?

But I don't expect you to agree with any of what I say, just like Adam did not see and was not aware not to talk of be ashamed of his unclothedness until Eve fed him fruits that open eyes so he may see.

AngelahFlo:
Mr Truthseeker I respect your arguments. They are presented from a point of view that is opposing to mine and God according to scripture so I'll deal with you as I would deal with a student who's searching for answers. If you're doubtful about man bring a spirit being it means you doubt your makeup. Who are you really Mr Truthseeker? A lump of mud with the breath of life or a spirit being made in the image of God according to Genesis 1:26. If you can answer that then we can proceed otherwise you're telling me(us) reading and following this thread that you're not a spirit being but something else entirely. Until you can answer that. I have no answer for you.

If man is a spirit, explain Genesis 7:21 below.

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21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died


According to Genesis 7:21 above, are you claiming that the created man or spirit man is in our nose?

Can you kindly show me a verse where man is called a spirit?

Are you insinuating that Adam was created as a spirit in heaven and was with God before coming to earth?

According to Genesis 3:19, Did God ever claim that adam was a spirit?

According to Genesis 2:7 and Genesis 1:26, does the verses claim that Adam was a spirit with a soul? If yes, show us.

Truthseeker10:
If man is a spirit, explain Genesis 7:21 below.

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21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died


According to Genesis 7:21 above, are you claiming that the created man or spirit man is in our nose?

Can you kindly show me a verse where man is called a spirit?

Are you insinuating that Adam was created as a spirit in heaven and was with God before coming to earth?

According to Genesis 3:19, Did God ever claim that adam was a spirit?

According to Genesis 2:7 and Genesis 1:26, does the verses claim that Adam was a spirit with a soul? If yes, show us.

What's there to show to someone who has simply missed the point. So what is the breath of life that God breathed into Adam that made him a living soul. Your Truth seeking pursuit is pointless if you can't see the truth right before you. Adam ain't a spirit abi then who is he? You're used to making people appear foolish and give up on your questions but you've met your match. You dodge my questions and reply with questions that are supposed to delude the person you're responding instead it reveals how ignorant you are. This proves that you don't even know who you are and it's so sad. You don't know where you came from and where you're going back to.
What Truth seeking are you about? Wether you agree with it or not. Man is a spirit who came from God which was signified by the breath that God breathed into Adam to make him a living soul. Keep confusing yourself further with your bible reference that you quote out of context.

budaatum:
My views are simply anti-what-you've-been-told-to-believe, and like Adam, you are afraid to use your own mind for fear you might die. No insult intended.

If you think of it, Jesus would not ever tell anyone not to eat fruits of knowledge, and with some thought, it would not be odd to think Jesus himself feeds people with knowledge and even the fruits of trees of life. For how else is one supposed to live the eternal life he promised without eating fruits of trees of knowledge and of life?

But I don't expect you to agree with any of what I say, just like Adam did not see and was not aware not to talk of be ashamed of his unclothedness until Eve fed him fruits that open eyes so he may see.

Wow what a pack of concocted delusions!!!

tctrills:
Oga, you were caught in a lie

Oga we will soon know who was caught in a lie.
Keep on with your line of thought. Calculus is difficult to understand to someone who isn't math inclined. So keep on with your opinion

In the end we will who is the real liar here

AngelahFlo:
Oga we will soon know who was caught in a lie.
Keep on with your line of thought. Calculus is difficult to understand to someone who isn't math inclined. So keep on with your opinion

In the end we will who is the real liar here

From lying to threatening, not everyone deserves an internet connection.

Its no big deal if you apologize for you deceit and move on

AngelahFlo:
Wow what a pack of concocted delusions!!!

It would be concocted delusions to some, especially those who buy into the nonsense that women are the rib of men despite all the evidence that it is women who produce offspring.

We open those ignorant men's eyes, but they gaslight some into thinking we are poisoning them with what it is written is "good for food and pleasing to the eye and also desirable for gaining wisdom", and that frees one from naked ignorant slavery, and empowers to become self-employed so we can together populate the entire earth and live another 800 years and die at very close to 1000 years.

But I guess some prefer to be ignorant naked slaves instead of acquiring knowledge so they can "Be fruitful and increase in number, and fill the earth and subdue it, and Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" and be immensely blessed.

We each must choose who we wish to be, naked ignorant muddy slaves, or very powerful creating Images of our God.

AngelahFlo:
What's there to show to someone who has simply missed the point. So what is the breath of life that God breathed into Adam that made him a living soul. Your Truth seeking pursuit is pointless if you can't see the truth right before you. Adam ain't a spirit abi then who is he? You're used to making people appear foolish and give up on your questions but you've met your match. You dodge my questions and reply with questions that are supposed to delude the person you're responding instead it reveals how ignorant you are. This proves that you don't even know who you are and it's so sad. You don't know where you came from and where you're going back to.
What Truth seeking are you about? Wether you agree with it or not. Man is a spirit who came from God which was signified by the breath that God breathed into Adam to make him a living soul. Keep confusing yourself further with your bible reference that you quote out of context.

Kindly show us where God or the bible calls man a spirit or a spirit with a soul.

Does the Bible teach that Adam lived with God in heaven before coming to earth and went back to heaven after his death?

In Genesis 3:19, Did God claim that Adam was a spirit or was dust and was returning to dust?

According to Genesis 7:21 and Genesis 6:17, are you saying that the breath of life which you claim Is the spirit man or created man is in the nose of all living creatures?

tctrills:
From lying to threatening, not everyone deserves an internet connection.

Its no big deal if you apologize for you deceit and move on

My Good Brother you perceived my opinions as a threat which it ain't. Why should I threaten you? I merely stated a fact that we will soon know who is the real liar and I still stand by my claim. It's difficult to teach spiritual truths to someone who cant grasp it. It's like teaching Calculus to someone with no aptitude for numbers.

budaatum:
It would be concocted delusions to some, especially those who buy into the nonsense that women are the rib of men despite all the evidence that it is women who produce offspring.

We open those ignorant men's eyes, but they gaslight some into thinking we are poisoning them with what it is written is "good for food and pleasing to the eye and also desirable for gaining wisdom", and that frees one from naked ignorant slavery, and empowers to become self-employed so we can together populate the entire earth and live another 800 years and die at very close to 1000 years.

But I guess some prefer to be ignorant naked slaves instead of acquiring knowledge so they can "Be fruitful and increase in number, and fill the earth and subdue it, and Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" and be immensely blessed.

We each must choose who we wish to be, naked ignorant muddy slaves, or very powerful creating Images of our God.

Budaatum your delusions will not be the detriment of you. All this stuff you concoct in the name of presenting facts that you claim the white men introduced us to...hmm
The Word of God is only life and light to them who can see it. I pray your eyes be open.

Truthseeker10:
Kindly show us where God or the bible calls man a spirit or a spirit with a soul.

Does the Bible teach that Adam lived with God in heaven before coming to earth and went back to heaven after his death?

In Genesis 3:19, Did God claim that Adam was a spirit or was dust and was returning to dust?

According to Genesis 7:21 and Genesis 6:17, are you saying that the breath of life which you claim Is the spirit man or created man is in the nose of all living creatures?

Mr Truthseeker you're dodging my questions again. What are you afraid of? To confront the truth - the real truth - you should be seeking instead of the lie you've been chasing after all this years. Answer the question. What are you? A man with a spirit being or someone else? What is the breath of life then. According to your claim that Adam was referred to as dust that returned to dust. That was referring to his earthly makeup alluded to in Genesis 2. Answer my question Boss.

AngelahFlo:
The Word of God is .........

Your so called "The Word of God" is written by humans and turned into godly words with the right understanding.

And for your information "that you claim the white men introduced us to", was also introduced by white people in Rome to white people in Britain, and was used to enslave the white people in Britain until the white people in Britain ate fruits of knowledge and their eyes opened and they gained wisdom and freed themselves from the white people in Rome, and then came and did to you what the white people in Rome had done to them.

But I don't expect you to know any of this because you believe instead of asking and knocking and seeking for knowledge and understanding with all your senses so you may actually know.

If you were put in the Garden of Eden, you wouldn't dare nourish yourself with knowledge in fact, for fear the knowledge will kill you.

AngelahFlo:
My Good Brother you perceived my opinions as a threat which it ain't. Why should I threaten you? I merely stated a fact that we will soon know who is the real liar and I still stand by my claim. It's difficult to teach spiritual truths to someone who cant grasp it. It's like teaching Calculus to someone with no aptitude for numbers.

Spiritual truths are meant for all but when you are caught in a lie, you are left with excuses

AngelahFlo:
Mr Truthseeker you're dodging my questions again. What are you afraid of? To confront the truth - the real truth - you should be seeking instead of the lie you've been chasing after all this years. Answer the question. What are you? A man with a spirit being or someone else? What is the breath of life then. According to your claim that Adam was referred to as dust that returned to dust. That was referring to his earthly makeup alluded to in Genesis 2. Answer my question Boss.

Lol...if you say that Adam was called dust and was returning to dust because of his earthly makeup, can you show us where Adam was called a spirit and was returning to heaven because of his heavenly makeup?

According to Genesis 6:17 and Genesis 7:21, what is the breath of life that is in the nose of all living creatures?

Am I a man with a spirit being or I'm a spirit with a soul? Which one sir, any biblical basis for both?

Truthseeker10:
Lol...if you say that Adam was called dust and was returning to dust because of his earthly makeup, can you show us where Adam was called a spirit and was returning to heaven because of his heavenly makeup?

According to Genesis 6:17 and Genesis 7:21, what is the breath of life that is in the nose of all living creatures?

Am I a man with a spirit being or I'm a spirit with a soul? Which one sir, any biblical basis for both?

Keep confusing yourself further My good man. I admire your stand even in the face of seeming loss of points. You ask if you're a spirit with a soul or a man with a spirit being? You answer the question cos you know which. I only explain things to someone who knows not or someone with a curious mind to know more not someone who's confused. One thing you should know Mr Truthseeker is that you can't win an argument with me. I'm just enjoying our back and forth banter. Back to your question. Genesis 3 already answered the question of Who Adam earthly makeup is. Where he said "for dust thou art and to dust you will return".
Concerning your second question, only you can answer that. One thing should be clear to you if your Truth seeking has led you down that path is that all of us will leave this world one day. We will all appear before our maker to give account of how we spent our lives here on earth. This Life of ours on this side of the world is for rent. We will render to its owner how we use it and what impact we made with it. You don't have to agree or disagree. It's just an iron clad truth. The part of you that will appear before your maker at that moment will be what. Your spirit or your soul? You answer that. The part of you that will be buried in a coffin and placed six feet under the earth while friends and we'll wishers mourn or celebrate your passing will be what? You answer that as well. There re questions you should be asking yourself as you seek truth. Questions that point to genuine answers not one that casts doubt to you and everyone who listens to you. Mr Truthseeker you may have sought the truth to a 10th level or whatever but you sought in the wrong direction. If you're going to America you must cross the Atlantic no matter which direction you take. My good man I'm not gonna stop asking you this question which borders on Genesis 3 saga. Why did the devil went through all that length to deceive and take from Adam the dominion God gave him? Was it just because Adam was a mere creature with the breath of life like the animals or someone much more than that? Until you answer that Genesis 3 question. We will keep doing this back and forth.

AngelahFlo:

Keep confusing yourself further My good man. I admire your stand even in the face of seeming loss of points. You ask if you're a spirit with a soul or a man with a spirit being? You answer the question cos you know which. I only explain things to someone who knows not or someone with a curious mind to know more not someone who's confused. One thing you should know Mr Truthseeker is that you can't win an argument with me. I'm just enjoying our back and forth banter. Back to your question. Genesis 3 already answered the question of Who Adam earthly makeup is. Where he said "for dust thou art and to dust you will return".
Concerning your second question, only you can answer that. One thing should be clear to you if your Truth seeking has led you down that path is that all of us will leave this world one day. We will all appear before our maker to give account of how we spent our lives here on earth. This Life of ours on this side of the world is for rent. We will render to its owner how we use it and what impact we made with it. You don't have to agree or disagree. It's just an iron clad truth. The part of you that will appear before your maker at that moment will be what. Your spirit or your soul? You answer that. The part of you that will be buried in a coffin and placed six feet under the earth while friends and we'll wishers mourn or celebrate your passing will be what? You answer that as well. There re questions you should be asking yourself as you seek truth. Questions that point to genuine answers not one that casts doubt to you and everyone who listens to you. Mr Truthseeker you may have sought the truth to a 10th level or whatever but you sought in the wrong direction. If you're going to America you must cross the Atlantic no matter which direction you take. My good man I'm not gonna stop asking you this question which borders on Genesis 3 saga. Why did the devil went through all that length to deceive and take from Adam the dominion God gave him? Was it just because Adam was a mere creature with the breath of life like the animals or someone much more than that? Until you answer that Genesis 3 question. We will keep doing this back and forth.

Lol...you funny oo....you just dey write long epistles. So up till now, You can't point out one verse that claims that man is a spirit with a soul or man has a spirit being?

The breath of life that you've been hanging on is said to be in the nose of all living things according to Genesis 6:17 and Genesis 7:21. Are you saying that this same breath of life goes to heaven when all living creatures die?

What's the difference between the breath of life and the breath that you are breathing in your nose right now?

tctrills:
Spiritual truths are meant for all but when you are caught in a lie, you are left with excuses

Spiritual truths are meant for those with a willing heart to know. With a heart not ruled by pride and selfish inclinations. Whether I've been deceived by lies or has been controlled by lies is left for God to judge. One thing is clear God planted a garden in the east of Eden and put the Man in charge of it to tend it. Then God brought all the animals to man to see what he will call them and whatever name he gave them was approved by God. Now tell me that's not supernatural intelligence that surpasses that of the most intelligent man alive today.

AngelahFlo:
Spiritual truths are meant for those with a willing heart to know. With a heart not ruled by pride and selfish inclinations. Whether I've been deceived by lies or has been controlled by lies is left for God to judge. One thing is clear God planted a garden in the east of Eden and put the Man in charge of it to tend it. Then God brought all the animals to man to see what he will call them and whatever name he gave them was approved by God. Now tell me that's not supernatural intelligence that surpasses that of the most intelligent man alive today.

Oga this is just cope.
So according to you, the ability to name things is like the biggest show of intelligence ever shown on earth?

Please make sense at least

AngelahFlo:
Spiritual truths are meant for those with a willing heart to know. With a heart not ruled by pride and selfish inclinations. Whether I've been deceived by lies or has been controlled by lies is left for God to judge. One thing is clear God planted a garden in the east of Eden and put the Man in charge of it to tend it. Then God brought all the animals to man to see what he will call them and whatever name he gave them was approved by God. Now tell me that's not supernatural intelligence that surpasses that of the most intelligent man alive today.

According to you, supernatural intelligence is found in the ability to name animals?
I can assure you that if you present animals to my 8-year-old boy and ask him to give them names, he will definitely come up with names for them. Does that make him supernaturally intelligent?

tctrills:
Oga this is just cope.
So according to you, the ability to name things is like the biggest show of intelligence ever shown on earth?

Please make sense at least

Happy New year to you Sir from my side of the world. Some things don't make sense to those who don't want it to make sense. I can't say more than that. One thing is you forget that Adam named the animals before they even had one. Supernatural intelligence is the ability to know a thing by inspiration and that is what Adam had. It'll only make sense to those who are open enough to allow it make sense.

AngelahFlo:

Happy New year to you Sir from my side of the world. Some things don't make sense to those who don't want it to make sense. I can't say more than that. One thing is you forget that Adam named the animals before they even had one. Supernatural intelligence is the ability to know a thing by inspiration and that is what Adam had. It'll only make sense to those who are open enough to allow it make sense.

What is the one even saying. You guys just wake up and begin to create your own false religion. Oga there are so many things much more difficult than a naming ceremony.
I am sure naming your kids was the hardest thing you ever did but don't think it was the same for everyone

tctrills:
What is the one even saying. You guys just wake up and begin to create your own false religion. Oga there are so many things much more difficult than a naming ceremony.
I am sure naming your kids was the hardest thing you ever did but don't think it was the same for everyone

It's not something to get worked up on Oga.

Truthseeker10:
Lol...you funny oo....you just dey write long epistles. So up till now, You can't point out one verse that claims that man is a spirit with a soul or man has a spirit being?

The breath of life that you've been hanging on is said to be in the nose of all living things according to Genesis 6:17 and Genesis 7:21. Are you saying that this same breath of life goes to heaven when all living creatures die?

What's the difference between the breath of life and the breath that you are breathing in your nose right now?

First of all Happy New a year to you my Sophistic Argument man. So the [b]Breath of Life that's sustaining is the breath in your nostrils and that's that aiight? It's the breath in your nostrils that's gonna appear before the Maker to give account of how you lived your life on earth? Man you're just as ignorant as ignorant can be and your pride is blinding you to the real truth you should be seeking. All the banters we've been having all these while was my attempt at making you see the folly of your truth seeking and I've been proven right. You don't know anything and you're too proud to admit your ignorance. First of all you dodge my questions and you tell me according to Gen 6:17 that the breath of life is the breath in our nostrils!!! Wow. Now I know you've been chasing delusions all along. Continue at your own peril. I've tried to make you see but you chose to trust the lens through which you're using to approach issues.

AngelahFlo:

It's not something to get worked up on Oga.

It is because you are wasting my time with some strange made up doctrine

AngelahFlo:

First of all Happy New a year to you my Sophistic Argument man. So the [b]Breath of Life that's sustaining is the breath in your nostrils and that's that aiight? It's the breath in your nostrils that's gonna appear before the Maker to give account of how you lived your life on earth? Man you're just as ignorant as ignorant can be and your pride is blinding you to the real truth you should be seeking. All the banters we've been having all these while was my attempt at making you see the folly of your truth seeking and I've been proven right. You don't know anything and you're too proud to admit your ignorance. First of all you dodge my questions and you tell me according to Gen 6:17 that the breath of life is the breath in our nostrils!!! Wow. Now I know you've been chasing delusions all along. Continue at your own peril. I've tried to make you see but you chose to trust the lens through which you're using to approach issues.

Lol...funny man....are you teaching me now that man has two "breath of life"?

Oya where does the Bible teach that the spirit of man will be Judged after death without his body?

In Genesis 2:7, was it the breath of life that became a living soul or it was the man that was made from the dust that became a living soul?