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musicwriter:
Historians have already dismissed supposed Joseph's comment about Jesus as a forgery, unfortunately, people are not aware of this fact.

Josephus NEVER said anything about the Jesus of the Bible, instead the Roman empire inserted comments into Josephus's writing to make it appear as if he was talking about the Jesus of the Bible. It was an age of religious forgery to prove the existence of Jesus by any means possible, including by fraud, in fact, they called it "pious fraud" and it was deemed as doing the " good work" of the Lord.

Use any good AI like Grok and put in the following question "how do historians know that Josephus's comment about Jesus Christ is a forgery?" Of course, you can ask subsequent questions around that

DeepSight:
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No need for me to check it out, I am very well aware of this. I was actually assessing your credentials.
Pass mark.

musicwriter:
Everything you read about Jesus NEVER happened.

It's work of literature.

Jesus NEVER existed. That's a better reason instead of running around and around.

DeepSight:
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That is still thoughtless to me.

In many ways, religions do not think about the things that their roots or history imply.

I wonder if he was executed by a snake bite they would be wearing snake pendants.

QuinQ:
What about Tacitus? See below

musicwriter:
Tacitus mentioned a "Christ" which was a title in use before your Jesus.

Many figures (real or imagined) had been called "Christ" before anybody heard of your Jesus, so Tacitus could have been talking about anybody

QuinQ:
Not relevant to the discussion . Here it is

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

QuinQ:
LIE.
Show where it says so. When has that prophesy been fulfilled?

QuinQ:
And you actually believe this. Why did Jews remove that chapter 53 from their Bible?

QuinQ:
See below. Then use grok as u r want to do

QuinQ:
Voila!
Cc sonmvayina

QuinQ:
What about Tacitus? See below

sonmvayina:
who is the "we" and what message did they hear?

QuinQ:
Stop confusing yourself. Jews know who was being referred to - that's why they took that chapter out of their Bible!

sonmvayina:
it is not a prophecy...it is in the past tense...

common...

isaiah already told you that the servant is Israel see Isaiah 45:1-7. why are you arguing??

sonmvayina:
Tell me.

who is the we and what message did they hear??

QuinQ:
When did it happen?
You are the one arguing. Ask Jewish scholars then SHOW where it said the servant was Israel

QuinQ:
See above

DeepSight:
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He didn't mention Jesus by name, rather as "Christus" and said he was executed by Pilate. Notably he was referring to the origin of the term "Christian." He wrote a century after the claimed birth of Jesus of Nazareth, and was talking about the great fire of Rome under Nero and the persecution of Christians.

By the time he was writing, the claims of who was the founder of the Christian sect would have been his reference.

That the said Christus was executed, is not my particular dispute or contest, nor do I say such a character never existed, but for me, it is open to contestation. Certainly, there were many different people with elements of the Jesus story in their lives at the time.

QuinQ:
Testimonial from all over about what same Jesus is doing - samr Jesus that never existed!

sonmvayina:
But God already said his servant is Israel.....why are you arguing? read that Isaiah 45:1-7 or 41:1-9
God said his servant is Israel...

sonmvayina:
lol...something you are ignorant about,

QuinQ:
Jesus was almost totally unknown except by the few close to him. He was only known in retrospect after Christianity was somewhat established. So it is easy to say anything writen about him didn't refer to him!

MaxInDHouse:
Because he is God's only begotten Son!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Now you are talking.

sonmvayina just love aimless arguments

Himself, his Jewish landlord and atheist friends were like first century antagonists trying to silence young kids who were saying:

“Blessed is the one coming as the King in Jehovah’s name! Peace in heaven, and glory in the heights above" Luke 19:38

Jesus told them:

“I tell you, if these (children) remained silent, the stones would cry out.” Luke 19:40

Why?

Because Jesus is God's only begotten Son who doesn't need historians to get his messages across the globe!

musicwriter:
That's good. Please, let me know what thread I can learn more about your past opinion about this and related topics

QuinQ:
Cc
musicwriter, sonmvayina, you KNOW Jesus is alive because of personal experience with him!
No one needs to tell those dealing with demonic attacks that Jesus is alive, and that demons tremble at mention of that name! You only have mouth because you're not dealing with any supernatural attacks!

DeepSight:
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1. Whose son are you

2. Who are those referred to as the sons of God in the book of Job.

QuinQ:
Not son in the human sense. How can you have a son without a wife. He's a part of God that has always been with God

DeepSight:
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Lol. Who do you think Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Judaists, Taoists, Shintoists, Traditionalists call on when in similar moments of terror, whatever that terror may be, mental or emotional?

Keep joking.

DeepSight:
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Special pleading.
In the Bible, he expressly denies being God over and over again.

QuinQ:
Nobody. They just suffer - why Christians are so lucky to have Lord Jesus!

QuinQ:
Yet they killed him precisely for claiming to be God

DeepSight:
1. Whose son are you
2. Who are those referred to as the sons of God in the book of Job.