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Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Flets: 7:19am On Jan 09
Nahunger:
Thank you so much for the compliments, I appreciate your openness to diverging opinions, I rarely seldom interact here cause most people resort to insults, gaslighting, ethnic colouration and other sub human characters.

You raised very valid questions and I felt I should share an opposing view from a logical perspective.

Meanwhile, you must note that this global injustice has been ongoing for decades, Americans are tired of being used look how high their debts is, they borrow to fund all this international corporations and bodies and get nothing in return.

Trump trying to fix that will not magically translate to the people's standards of living, real change and growth takes time and Trump has barely 4 years left, he's trying to set the pace before his exit, it might take time but eventually, Americans will enjoy the benefits.

Not to forget internal saboteurs, political opponents who wants to see the other part fail instead of the nation and citizens enjoying peace, progress and growth.

It's a case of fighting enemies both within and outside your borders.

God help us all
Unfortunately, I am not sure there is much Trump can do under democracy. That ideal scenario you would wish for cannot materialize under a democracy because the US masses will not be patient to allow whatever long term corrective plans materialize (assuming his plans are right which I disagree with).

I think the US is weaker today that she was before Trump took over. The military activities in Venezuela and Iran has not proven any military superiority as the world was aware that US is capable of superior might.

I maintain that US has lost her soft power and is vulnerable in the long term. This might be hard to comprehend but this is the reality and the power brokers in the US are aware of this and why they are very worried. Trump has no clear game plan to pull US through this…:: he makes its up as he goes.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by TheBizGenius: 7:20am On Jan 09
Nahunger:
Thank you so much for the compliments, I appreciate your openness to diverging opinions, I rarely seldom interact here cause most people resort to insults, gaslighting, ethnic colouration and other sub human characters.

You raised very valid questions and I felt I should share an opposing view from a logical perspective.

Meanwhile, you must note that this global injustice has been ongoing for decades, Americans are tired of being used look how high their debts is, they borrow to fund all this international corporations and bodies and get nothing in return.

Trump trying to fix that will not magically translate to the people's standards of living, real change and growth takes time and Trump has barely 4 years left, he's trying to set the pace before his exit, it might take time but eventually, Americans will enjoy the benefits.

Not to forget internal saboteurs, political opponents who wants to see the other part fail instead of the nation and citizens enjoying peace, progress and growth.

It's a case of fighting enemies both within and outside your borders.

God help us all
@Flets. @Nahunger (weird name though)

I commend and celebrate your maturity in the conversation. You people can only become great in life. Truly.

About this America's decision, there is a profoundly weird law in management and business strategy called "80/20" which says, "Cut off the majority (80%) of things you do because only very few things (20%) are really productive, once you analyze everything".

We use this on the highest levels of decision-making as board members.

Unfortunately, for us, politicians go in the direct opposite direction; they do (and keep doing) many trivial things to keep everyone everywhere happy.

This is why core professionals and core politicians rarely agree.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by mactoni91(m): 7:20am On Jan 09
You're enjoying US money yet talking Evil about Isreal...

Una never see anything
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by ADAMUdaCOWBOY: 7:34am On Jan 09
Flets:
I pity whoever takes over from Trump as US president, a lot of these moves have lasting implications.

Trump is keen on taking away all the leverages the US built over her allies for decades.

To the folks who don’t understand what’s at stake, do you truly believe that the US presidents that have sustained these alliances for decades were all stupid?

America has lost all her soft power under Trump, the remaining military might will be vulnerable without trusted allies
You see, when I listen to people whine about US wasting money on international organisations and poor countries, I wonder, is that not where USA's power lies? Will they withdraw these commitments and arm twist the world into submission? Is it not a universal fact that the one that pays the piper dictates the tune? America is addicted to dictating the tune, but under Trump does not want to pay the piper, let's see how it works.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by promami: 7:47am On Jan 09
Flets:
I pity whoever takes over from Trump as US president, a lot of these moves have lasting implications.

Trump is keen on taking away all the leverages the US built over her allies for decades.

To the folks who don’t understand what’s at stake, do you truly believe that the US presidents that have sustained these alliances for decades were all stupid?

America has lost all her soft power under Trump, the remaining military might will be vulnerable without trusted allies
You're very funny oo

Alliances where your interests are not protected is boolsheet.
By the way, he's pushing for America first. Anything that doesn't give the US an upper hand in anything is nothing to him and that's some serious power play. And that's why they're budgeting 1.5 trillion dollars for their military, which is by far the best and the most deadliest military around. Nobody have the kind of weapons or intelligence or level of destruction their military has.

Allies or no allies, Trump wants an America nobody messes it.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Arrowhead71: 7:48am On Jan 09
Nahunger:
There is a reason why all government in the world have access to classified information, I am very sure they have done their calculations, check and balances weighed their options, done background negotiations with several countries and still holding secret meetings to consolidate their strength both militarily, economically and globally..

The reason you are raising this question is because you, me and those expected to take the baits and fall into the trap are not furnished with this information.

International Relations, everything on that stage is about interest not loyalty.

The trump system of negotiation is one person at a time not collectively, it makes nations and leaders scramble for their place at the table.

YOU might not necessarily agree with this strategy but it's a smart move.
The South Africa parliament is already regretting and blaming the government for go against America
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by FatimaAbubakar(f): 7:53am On Jan 09
Flets:
I pity whoever takes over from Trump as US president, a lot of these moves have lasting implications.

Trump is keen on taking away all the leverages the US built over her allies for decades.

To the folks who don’t understand what’s at stake, do you truly believe that the US presidents that have sustained these alliances for decades were all stupid?

America has lost all her soft power under Trump, the remaining military might will be vulnerable without trusted allies
Overnight foreign affairs analyst typing from a one room apartment in Ogbomosho.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by victoryenergy: 7:53am On Jan 09
Flets:
I pity whoever takes over from Trump as US president, a lot of these moves have lasting implications.

Trump is keen on taking away all the leverages the US built over her allies for decades.

To the folks who don’t understand what’s at stake, do you truly believe that the US presidents that have sustained these alliances for decades were all stupid?

America has lost all her soft power under Trump, the remaining military might will be vulnerable without trusted allies
No problems, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Russia, China, or even north Korea and other countries who are sympathetic to terrorist should pick up the bill, you can't be wishing for the down fall of America and it allies and still want to chop dollars, never again.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by ayo84(m): 7:58am On Jan 09
These organisations should be remodelled and enhanced for greater impact and efficiency and a financial evaluation should be derived for their monetary capital euclidisation to carry out higher perogatives and a global positioning in various countries all over the world. Imagine these organisations having branches and extensions all over states,regions and imagine the jobs that would be created and financial opportunities.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by CosmoGlitch(m): 8:02am On Jan 09
This highlights the core contradiction of the UN: it relies on major powers for funding, but those same powers resent losing control once inside the system.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Cantona77: 8:03am On Jan 09
US against the world...
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by smyo(m): 8:04am On Jan 09
Flets:
I pity whoever takes over from Trump as US president, a lot of these moves have lasting implications.

Trump is keen on taking away all the leverages the US built over her allies for decades.

To the folks who don’t understand what’s at stake, do you truly believe that the US presidents that have sustained these alliances for decades were all stupid?

America has lost all her soft power under Trump, the remaining military might will be vulnerable without trusted allies
You don't know what you are saying
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by hotwax: 8:08am On Jan 09
Flets:
I pity whoever takes over from Trump as US president, a lot of these moves have lasting implications.

Trump is keen on taking away all the leverages the US built over her allies for decades.

To the folks who don’t understand what’s at stake, do you truly believe that the US presidents that have sustained these alliances for decades were all stupid?

America has lost all her soft power under Trump, the remaining military might will be vulnerable without trusted allies
UN agencies are not allies.

US is using its money to finance agencies that are working against America.

UNRA was sponsored by America, Hamas hijacked it to carry our terror attacks. They used American money to work against American interests.

Thats why you are not a president of a country. Because you go about using sentiments and hate
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Morenikeji090(m): 8:16am On Jan 09
Thanos5555:
Lolllll let china and Russia fill up the gaps, since they are clearly next world powers.

Omo I pity those that will have to be retrenched because of this developments, it not USA fault, imagine funding organizations filled with countries that want to eliminate you at all costs
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Northsouth(m): 8:18am On Jan 09
USA leaving these organisation not to abide by their rules and regulations
UN knows Their only leverage on USA is terming them lawbreaker if USA remain in these organisations.

And my president Trump knows these already so he had to leave those figure head organizations
Besides USA is the biggest and surest enforcer of laws in those organization in the first place.

But sorry en, we are on operation show the world our true potential and power
We need to deal with those stubborn little countries directly especially Iran and Venezuela and those stubborn powerful ones too indirectly especially Russia and china

We don't want anything holding us down or any useless organization dragging our feet back.

Its time
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Guestmale: 8:25am On Jan 09
Godblessme1:
America first.

We'll longer care for the world but us first
Are you an American?
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by AmazingELixir: 8:32am On Jan 09
grin

I hope they also withdraw their veto powers in the UN permanent members seat and hand it over to South Africa....they'll do a better job.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by KingOfAmebo(m): 8:33am On Jan 09
Capernum:
But the America under Trump is stronger, more powerful and respected. Not a dumping ground it used to be.

The crime of Trump is that, he decided to class America above other nations, leveraging on their military might and economic power. The crime of Trump is that he wants to restore the originality of America void of hetero-cultural and inter-religio contamination.


If all world leaders think like this, the world will be better. Whoever is angry with Trump is obviously bias... Due to his or her inferiority. Native Americans are proud of Trump.
I want to ask you two questions, please answer with an open mind, Is the Trump administration acting like a democratically elected government or a snatch, steal and bully smaller nation dictator style government?

Secondly, Is the American government making more friends or creating more enemies?

The answers you give depends on your level of intelligence.

Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Psalmistproject: 8:34am On Jan 09
Flets:
I pity whoever takes over from Trump as US president, a lot of these moves have lasting implications.

Trump is keen on taking away all the leverages the US built over her allies for decades.

To the folks who don’t understand what’s at stake, do you truly believe that the US presidents that have sustained these alliances for decades were all stupid?

America has lost all her soft power under Trump, the remaining military might will be vulnerable without trusted allies
Lol you don't really understand America. They're doing give away not for any reason but for the sake of just do give away. If they stop giving it the people will learn to live without it. If China or Russia gives it the price to pay by the eaters will be heavier than what America demands.
The only thing that can happen if another president comes after Trump is that these bodies will pay lobbies to persuade the president to open the pipeline again. America is already doing so much for the West with regard to protection if he withdraw his support Russia will conquer the entire Europe in 1 month.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by papaa4: 8:38am On Jan 09
If dey quit un, let all d un stop using dollar to buy or sell tins
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Godblessme1: 8:56am On Jan 09
Guestmale:
Are you an American?
yes I am
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by BondRiv: 9:00am On Jan 09
They have no respect for international law.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Barzinime(m): 9:11am On Jan 09
Werey wey never see plane tyre dey talk grin grin grin
Godblessme1:
America first.

We'll longer care for the world but us first
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Idaytesj29(m): 9:29am On Jan 09
vicshub:
Great. Why will I continue to fund what is no longer serving my interest. Trump is not a politician that all they know it throw money away that has no strategic value, he is a business man. There must be value for every penny. It's the same reason some lazy Nigerians will say rich men are stingy! No they are are not, they just want value for money. I hope our politicians learn from this. Good morning everyone TGIF...
What is your American interest? Murdering women and children in Palestine, displacing people from their homes in the West Bank to create and solidify the illegal state of Isreal? The Invasion and murder of Libya's Gaddafi? The bombing of Irans nuclear sites, the murder of Irans top military leaders, the ongoing US sponsored riots in Iran? Trade tariffs on China, Europe etc....

Global Peace and security supercedes US national interest especially when such mundane or erratic interest threatens the international peace and security of the world. I pray this crazy Trump does not put us through a 3rd world war.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Nahunger(m): 10:00am On Jan 09
Arrowhead71:
The South Africa parliament is already regretting and blaming the government for go against America
The busy body, southie pressie, the wanna be African voice was played by Putin & Xi, I'm sure after Maduro's capture his temperature dropped and he is realising how close he was and still is to the American sling, cause there is a red tape on him wether he likes it or not.

India's Modi must have been cautioned by Israel who is one of their greatest ally, cause he adjusted quickly.

Even Kim jung un has been quiet, they all know what it means to portray power..
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Northsouth(m): 10:05am On Jan 09
olaiya2007:
Trump don carry them go where dem no know
I swear to God almighty
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Northsouth(m): 10:06am On Jan 09
Flets:
I pity whoever takes over from Trump as US president, a lot of these moves have lasting implications.

Trump is keen on taking away all the leverages the US built over her allies for decades.

To the folks who don’t understand what’s at stake, do you truly believe that the US presidents that have sustained these alliances for decades were all stupid?

America has lost all her soft power under Trump, the remaining military might will be vulnerable without trusted allies
dey play
USA is USA
Nothing spoil
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Nahunger(m): 10:10am On Jan 09
TheBizGenius:
@Flets. @Nahunger (weird name though)

I commend and celebrate your maturity in the conversation. You people can only become great in life. Truly.

About this America's decision, there is a profoundly weird law in management and business strategy called "80/20" which says, "Cut off the majority (80%) of things you do because only very few things (20%) are really productive, once you analyze everything".

We use this on the highest levels of decision-making as board members.

Unfortunately, for us, politicians go in the direct opposite direction; they do (and keep doing) many trivial things to keep everyone everywhere happy.

This is why core professionals and core politicians rarely agree.
I understand the 80/20 principles.

Politicians especially career ones are all about making money and profit to enjoy their retirement.

So they negotiate from greed, personal perspective but shroud it in a veil of national interest, Trump being a business man, is applying his business strategy in leadership, which is why anything he does is either being slammed or clamped down on by the political class who have no life outside the confines of public funds..

Meanwhile for the NAHUNGER name, I took it up at a downtime in my life and to remember our late nairaland member "HUNGERBAD" I loved reading his posts and comments with "Tonyebarcanista before he became political.

Also the name makes me not to argue or exchange insults with nairalanders who try to attack and insult me, I simply just say NAHUNGER dey push them to do what they are doing lol 😂
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Nahunger(m): 10:16am On Jan 09
Flets:
Unfortunately, I am not sure there is much Trump can do under democracy. That ideal scenario you would wish for cannot materialize under a democracy because the US masses will not be patient to allow whatever long term corrective plans materialize (assuming his plans are right which I disagree with).

I think the US is weaker today that she was before Trump took over. The military activities in Venezuela and Iran has not proven any military superiority as the world was aware that US is capable of superior might.

I maintain that US has lost her soft power and is vulnerable in the long term. This might be hard to comprehend but this is the reality and the power brokers in the US are aware of this and why they are very worried. Trump has no clear game plan to pull US through this…:: he makes its up as he goes.
Real power is not written on papers,

You will think America is weak, losing it grip but I assure you, just like a finisher man throws in a worm to lure an unsuspecting fish to fist on.

That is how America operate, it would be unwise to test the waters, cause I'm sure US has flooded the whole global street waiting to see the hands that are conspiring in the hidden pop up in the open.

Underestimate the Americans at your own peril.
Re: UN Secretary-General Regrets US Decision To Quit International Organisations by Nobleou(m): 12:07pm On Jan 09
Nahunger:
I appreciate your openness to diverging opinions, I rarely seldom interact
Only use one of the bold words. Tautology
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