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FxMasterz:
Offpoint.

The reason you know spider man is not real is because you know absolutely what's real in New York. The same logic does not apply to the universe where you know absolutely nothing about what exists out there.

No I don't know what is real in New York. Never been there.
Now can you please answer the question I asked? Do you believe unicorns exist. This is the third time I'm asking and you dodge it every single time

FxMasterz:
Before Pharaohs heart was hardened, did he have any regard for God? If God later hardens his heart so as to show the world His might through him, what'd wrong with God using one insubordinate fellow to teach millions of other insubordinate individuals a lesson? His heart was hardened only a few days before he was punished, what did he do with his unhardened heart before those days? He spent it reviling the God of Israel. So, God decided to make a show of him.

What you're describing about Job and Jonah are not related to freewill. Job was tested, passed the tests and got rewarded. Jonah had a covenant with God to obey God as a prophet. He broke the covenant and God held him responsible for his actions.

Your 10 year child has a son relationship with you. If you send him an errand and he refuses to go, telling you "na by force?", what would you do?

Firstly,there was no mention in the bible if the Pharaoh had any regard or not for your god. None. The first time yhwh told Moses to go eat Pharaoh, he said he'll harden his heart AB INITIO. Also if Pharaoh's heart was already hardened, THEN WHY IS YOUR GOD HARDENING IT AGAIN? Una no dey think ,these Christians
Was job consulted before your god decided to make him miserable? Was his children consulted before your god murdered them?
Even if Nehemiah was a prophet and he decides to disobey,it's still his freewill. He decided that he won't obey yhwh. Why is that a problem for your god? I would enforce my 10 yo child cos he's in my house and yes i control his freewill to an extent.
But you christians say god has given everyone freewill. U wan change mouth?

FxMasterz:
Vehicle manufacturers are not omniscient but they're knowledgeable enough to know that vehicles have killed many people, yet they keep producing them.

I'm not equating God with mortals, I'm coming down to your level using what you can relate with before I can even tell you deep things.

What are the primary use of vehicles? Is it to kill people or movement? If it does its primary function most of its times, then the vehicle makers are right.
Same logic goes with medications. Pharmaceuticals make them with the intention of curing disease but if people die of the occasional side effects,then they are right
I wonder how this relates to an omniscient god who creates Satan knowing he'd mislead humanity

FxMasterz:
If there's no evil, how can you enjoy good? You'll be a zombie or robot that dies not know how to enjoy. You won't even have any sense of enjoyment.

Wtf are you saying? Does this make sense?
So according to your logic, there must be evil in heaven for people to enjoy the goodness

DeepSight:
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Surely this contradicts everything Christians argue about the goodness of God.

The guy just dey shoot himself for foot dey go. He'll deny saying this rubbish. Just watch

No human society is raised as atheists the idea came when people couldn't find answers to life's big questions like:

*How did life begin?
*Why are we here?
*Why do innocent people suffer?
*What happens when a person dies?
*If everyone wants peace, why is there so much war?
*What will happen to the earth in the future?

Mankind since thousands of years have searched for God and since they can't find him anxious individuals out of frustration concluded there is no God!

But what wise step did the Bible give us to follow in order to get answers to these questions?

My son, if you accept my sayings And treasure up my commandments, By making your ear attentive to wisdom And inclining your heart to discernment;  Moreover, if you call out for understanding And raise your voice for discernment;  If you keep seeking for it as for silver, And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures;  Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah, And you will find the knowledge of God. Proverbs 2:1-5

From the above scripture the advice we got says there is no knowledge in trying to figure out things all by yourself rather you should speak to as many as possible regarding what you want to know about God! Matthew 7:7-8

WHY?

Because God will not open the sky and start talking to each and everyone to prove anything rather He will send out His faithful servants to enlighten others.

The funny thing about atheists is that this guys won't take their time to make research by humbly asking questions instead they just read books written by men like themselves and the next thing is trying to convince others that there is no God.

Why not use the same tactics when you are searching for God?
Why not ask as many as possible what the questions bothering you mind?

NO! They won't do that but after concluding in their hearts they will start looking for people to engage in arguments and the funny part is they do so aggressively insulting whoever gives them a listening ear to reason with them!🤣

jaephoenix:
What are the primary use of vehicles? Is it to kill people or movement? If it does its primary function most of its times, then the vehicle makers are right.
Same logic goes with medications. Pharmaceuticals make them with the intention of curing disease but if people die of the occasional side effects,then they are right
I wonder how this relates to an omniscient god who creates Satan knowing he'd mislead humanity

All these are not necessary my friend. The point is that vehicles are imperfect. That does not mean they have no creator. And the fact that they have killed people does not stop the creators from continuing creating them. Simple!

But, as I have always said, you've never been sincere and honest even with yourself in conversations. The only atheist I respect on this forum is lordreed. Very honest and civil.

We're discussing with you that you have 0 knowledge of the universe and therefore cannot make any conclusions until you know all that's out there. Lordreed in all honesty agreed that investigations still continue, while you're here talking offpoint and arguing aimlessly.

I wouldn't respond to you anymore. What I know is that you cannot talk in absolutes concerning what is and what is not in a universe you have 0 knowledge of.

FxMasterz:
If there's no evil, how can you enjoy good? You'll be a zombie or robot that dies not know how to enjoy. You won't even have any sense of enjoyment.

Hard disagree. You don't need evil to enjoy good, you just need differing degrees of good. It is like saying you need to eat shit before you can enjoy jollof rice, no you don't.

LordReed:
Hard disagree. You don't need evil to enjoy good, you just need differing degrees of good. It is like saying you need to eat shit before you can enjoy jollof rice, no you don't.

Do you understand that when you say differing degrees of good, that's a mix of good and evil in different proportions?

FxMasterz:
Do you understand that when you say differing degrees of good, that's a mix of good and evil in different proportions?

No. I am not asking you to mix shit into the jollof so I can appreciate one without it. Good can be entirely without evil (hypothetically anyway as far as this universe is concerned). Or do you think there is evil in heaven?

LordReed:
No. I am not asking you to mix shit into the jollof so I can appreciate one without it. Good can be entirely without evil (hypothetically anyway as far as this universe is concerned). Or do you think there is evil in heaven?

You're not getting it. You didn't seem to understand what you're saying?

The only way you enjoy the rice is because there are bad rice. If there are no bad rice. You would just be eating the rice without any sense of enjoyment. If there are no lows, you cannot understand heights. If there's no darkness, you cannot understand light. If there's no sadness, you won't value joy. If there's no captivity, you won't value freedom. You won't even have any sense of enjoyment. What I just told you is philosophically and psychologically sound.

FxMasterz:
All these are not necessary my friend. The point is that vehicles are imperfect. That does not mean they have no creator. And the fact that they have killed people does not stop the creators from continuing creating them. Simple!

But, as I have always said, you've never been sincere and honest even with yourself in conversations. The only atheist I respect on this forum is lordreed. Very honest and civil.

We're discussing with you that you have 0 knowledge of the universe and therefore cannot make any conclusions until you know all that's out there. Lordreed in all honesty agreed that investigations still continue, while you're here talking offpoint and arguing aimlessly.

I wouldn't respond to you anymore. What I know is that you cannot talk in absolutes concerning what is and what is not in a universe you have 0 knowledge of.

Thanks for the compliment but I have to hand it to DeepSight and budaatum for their calmness and even-keeled handling of discussions. I strive to copy them in that manner.

FxMasterz:
You're not getting it. You didn't seem to understand what you're saying?

The only way you enjoy the rice is because there are bad rice. If there are no bad rice. You would just be eating the rice without any sense of enjoyment. If there are no lows, you cannot understand heights. If there's no darkness, you cannot understand light. If there's no sadness, you won't value joy. If there's no captivity, you won't value freedom. You won't even have any sense of enjoyment. What I just told you is philosophically and psychologically sound.

That is completely untrue. You don't even believe it because you believe there is no evil in heaven. You actually believe in the possibility.

LordReed:
That is completely untrue. You don't even believe it because you believe there is no evil in heaven. You actually believe in the possibility.

Do you claim to be scientific? Just copy and paste what I said to Google or any AI and come back with the response. You can't claim to be scientific and still be arguing against science.

And I believe it totally. Heaven has nothing to do with it. Heaven has a condition different from that of earth. Also, the body we take into heaven is not this same body we carry on earth. It's a changed body that aligns perfect with heaven:s rules and laws. This body here aligns with Earth's rules and laws which requires evil in order to enjoy good.

I'm pasting my submission here again for you to copy and research: "You're not getting it. You didn't seem to understand what you're saying?

The only way you enjoy the rice is because there are bad rice. If there are no bad rice. You would just be eating the rice without any sense of enjoyment. If there are no lows, you cannot understand heights. If there's no darkness, you cannot understand light. If there's no sadness, you won't value joy. If there's no captivity, you won't value freedom. You won't even have any sense of enjoyment. What I just told you is philosophically and psychologically sound."

LordReed:
Thanks for the compliment but I have to hand it to DeepSight and budaatum for their calmness and even-keeled handling of discussions. I strive to copy them in that manner.

You're right about these two people. You can add pulsingpurple to the list.

FxMasterz:
Do you claim to be scientific? Just copy and paste what I said to Google or any AI and come back with the response. You can't claim to be scientific and still be arguing against science.

And I believe it totally. Heaven has nothing to do with it. Heaven has a condition different from that of earth. Also, the body we take into heaven is not this same body we carry on earth. It's a changed body that aligns perfect with heaven:s rules and laws. This body here aligns with Earth's rules and laws which requires evil in order to enjoy good.

I'm pasting my submission here again for you to copy and research: "You're not getting it. You didn't seem to understand what you're saying?

The only way you enjoy the rice is because there are bad rice. If there are no bad rice. You would just be eating the rice without any sense of enjoyment. If there are no lows, you cannot understand heights. If there's no darkness, you cannot understand light. If there's no sadness, you won't value joy. If there's no captivity, you won't value freedom. You won't even have any sense of enjoyment. What I just told you is philosophically and psychologically sound."

Kindly produce a link to a scientific study that says evil must exist so we can enjoy good.

Address why you believe there is no evil in heaven.

LordReed:
Kindly produce a link to a scientific study that says evil must exist so we can enjoy good.

Since you didn't want to make the research as I advised. I have copied what I said to Google so you can have a reason to research it. A few screenshots of the results are attached below.

Address why you believe there is no evil in heaven.

Evil is not a direct factory product. It's a by product of sin. The more you sin, the more you produce evil. Lucifer was the first to ever sin , and that sin brought evil into being. God had to cast him out and all his accomplices to punish them on earth. Heaven was purged. Earth would eventually be purged at God's set time too. All evils would be quarantined. With a different body and newly refurbished earth, we would have a different experience on earth.

FxMasterz:
Since you didn't want to make the research as I advised. I have copied what I said to Google so you can have a reason to research it. A few screenshots of the results are attached below.



Evil is not a direct factory product. It's a by product of sin. The more you sin, the more you produce evil. Lucifer was the first to ever sin , and that sin brought evil into being. God had to cast him out and all his accomplices to punish them on earth. Heaven was purged. Earth would eventually be purged at God's set time too. All evils would be quarantined. With a different body and newly refurbished earth, we would have a different experience on earth.

I didn’t see any screenshot.

If evil will be purged then it is NOT NECESSARY! Or are you saying there is no enjoyment of good in heaven?

FxMasterz:
Since you didn't want to make the research as I advised. I have copied what I said to Google so you can have a reason to research it. A few screenshots of the results are attached below.



Evil is not a direct factory product. It's a by product of sin. The more you sin, the more you produce evil. Lucifer was the first to ever sin , and that sin brought evil into being. God had to cast him out and all his accomplices to punish them on earth. Heaven was purged. Earth would eventually be purged at God's set time too. All evils would be quarantined. With a different body and newly refurbished earth, we would have a different experience on earth.

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Can you define sin please

LordReed:
I didn’t see any screenshot.

If evil will be purged then it is NOT NECESSARY! Or are you saying there is no enjoyment of good in heaven?

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This question is a golden goal.
End of match.

FxMasterz:
You're right about these two people. You can add pulsingpurple to the list.

Me wey get history with him since the day I asked him to prove his wife has love for him, and than in return I'll prove God exists. 😂😂

PulsingPurple:
Me wey get history with him since the day I asked him to prove his wife has love for him, and than in return I'll prove God exists. 😂😂

LoLz. You just wanted to side track the issue. The original question remains providing evidence for your god.

DeepSight:
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Can you define sin please

Sin is anything that hurts or wrongs God or man or yourself.

PulsingPurple:
Me wey get history with him since the day I asked him to prove his wife has love for him, and than in return I'll prove God exists. 😂😂

And since he did want that proof...he absconded 😂

LordReed:
I didn’t see any screenshot.

If evil will be purged then it is NOT NECESSARY! Or are you saying there is no enjoyment of good in heaven?

The conditions of earth are not same with heaven's. The same rules don't apply. Apology for omitting the screenshots. Here are they below:

LordReed:
LoLz. You just wanted to side track the issue. The original question remains providing evidence for your god.

Okay sir.

FxMasterz:
And since he did want that proof...he absconded 😂

As expected

FxMasterz:
Sin is anything that hurts or wrongs God or man or yourself.

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By this definition Yahweh sins also since he has hurt himself according to the Bible.

DeepSight:
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By this definition Yahweh sins also since he has hurt himself according to the Bible.

How did hurt Himself?

FxMasterz:
How did hurt Himself?

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1. He expressed regret for his action creating man

2. If you are a trinitarian he hurt himself by hurting Christ

DeepSight:
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1. He expressed regret for his action creating man

No. That's not the kind of hurting we're talking about. Here, it was man that hurt Him. If you feed your dog and do it nice things only for it to turn against you one day and bite. Can you be blamed for that? Nobody will say you hurt yourself for what that dog did to you.

2. If you are a trinitarian he hurt himself by hurting Christ

No, that's love. Hurting others for some selfish gains is what sin really means.

Love can hurt itself for the benefit of others. That's sacrifice.

FxMasterz:
The conditions of earth are not same with heaven's. The same rules don't apply. Apology for omitting the screenshots. Here are they below:

It doesn't matter. You claimed it was necessary. If not it is not necessary in heaven then you must concede that the possibility exists.