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The children of the devil rush to open the news when they saw the topic, but they were heavily disappointed.
So they all started to wail and saying nonsense.
No wonder, most of them are e rats laptop boys on 30k stipend.

QuinQ:
But that's the BIG deception - that you would have been free without Christianity. That's the huge LIE because something must control a man - if it's not Christianity it'd be something else!
In other words it is a question of choosing your "poison"

Please where did you get it from that " something must control a man" ?

triplechoice:
Please where did you get it from that "something must control a man" ?

It's written in the Bible!😟

You're not suppose to call it brainwash u should have say Christianity brought peace to your life the bad things u use to do u do them no more

It is not brainwash . It is Christ in you.

Would have given this piece maximum rating of love but it's not configured. Enjoying the brainwashing without measure.

See it was done without any body running a sword through her throat to accept Jesus, the other religion will tell u to convert by force or die.

Christianity gives you meaningful LIFE of wisdom and power.Christianity is for only those who believe anyways,is not by force.

Okay

triplechoice:
Please where did you get it from that " something must control a man" ?

Society controls u. U do what's expected of u not what u want to do.
U work to make money, u don't go about picking other people's money.
U don't start beating people just because u hate them otherwise u end up in jail.

It's worse in western country. The control is beyond ordinary.

U can't even discipline your child the way u want, govt tells u how to discipline your child.
U can lose your house to your wife in case of divorce and govt will force u to pay the mortgage even when you don't live in it anymore.
U can't say what u want on social media, u could be banned or even jailed. Yes, u heard me- jailed.

U are not even allow to type kill on social media, it's now unalive.
anti-Semitism is not tolerated and recently they have added Islamophobe. Insulting the prophet of Muslims can send u to jail in UK.
In the US, A woman u slept with once 9 months ago can put your name as the Father of her newborn baby without ur knowledge or permission; and the govt will force I to pay child support until that child is 18 yrs.
Even if the DNA proves u not the Father, it changes nothing. Govt will still force u to pay child support even with DNA evidence.

There's no freewill anywhere. U are being controlled - ita a matter of choosing who to control u, society or Christ.

It is called "Amazing Grace"

QuinQ:
Such utter ignorance. Why woukd Constantine who was being worshipped as a god willingly drop his godship and became a lowly sinner in need of salvation? Was it Constantine that told his mother and top generals to become Christians long before his Edict of Milan? Why convene Nicea where Bishops debated for weeks to decide the Godship of Christ? Why didn't he just issue an edict??
Mention one thing that is relevant to salvation that was not in place before Constantine!

Everything from Rome is a lie including your Christianity!

Point us to the place in the Bible where Jesus Christ said he is creating a new religion of Christianity for us, or where Paul said so.

If you cannot, then you are the devil's agent

jesusjnr2020:
How Christianity Brainwashed Me So Much

Christianity has brainwashed me so much that I used to be a habitual thief but now i steal no more.

Christianity has brainwashed me so much that I'm no longer the cheat I used to be.

Christianity has brainwashed me so much I stopped watching porn.

Christianity has brainwashed me so much I am no longer addicted to masturbation.

Christianity has brainwashed me so much I now find it easier to pray for my enemies and to forgive those who offended me as Christ taught us.

Christianity has brainwashed me so much that I was a sinner and heading for eternal destruction in hell fire, but now I am living a life of righteousness and walking the narrow path that leads to eternal life in heaven.

Christianity is such a brainwashing tool, it washed my brain of all the filth of foolishness and ignorance, but filled it with wisdom and knowledge of the truth that has set me free so now I'm free indeed.

This kind of brainwashing that Christianity has given me has been very good for my life, in fact I need more of its brainwashing in my life.

God bless.

Hallelujah! God is so good.

I am a living testimony of this as well

Congratulations to you, this is the kind of brainwashing every souls should be running after.

helinues:
A religion that won't allow you to make some personal decisions based on the event you are personally experiencing can be regarded as cult.

Free will is restricted in religion. Don't do this, don't do that , don't do those when we are not living in stone age

Yep, God gives commandments because He created us, loves us and He wants what is best for us.

For instance, do you know why a Car or plane manufacturer would design an instruction manual for its product? Its because:

1) They were the ones who created it.
2) They want what is best for the car.
3) And care about its safety and the driver at large.

So why does God give commandments? because He cares for you.

The bible says "Flee from sexual immorality." - 1 Corinthians 6:18a.

Think about it, if a man disobeys this instruction, and he's infected with a terminal disease, will he not suffer the consequences?

So because God loves you, He chose to give you His instruction.

He even went as far as to give us Eternal Life. Although this costed him dearly,

But He gave it freely for you, nonetheless, if you will accept.

John 3:15-16 KJV
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

joseph1832:
Converting to Christianity didn't make you stop doing those things. You stopped because you decided to stop, period. And yes, I use my head when writing that post, can same be said of you?

You are not in people's situations or minds. So, stop talking as if you know it all. People like you, upon scrutiny, are discovered to know nothing.

Have you investigated everybody that stopped vices after converting to Christianity and you discovered they stopped just because they wanted to stop?!

Have you asked yourself why they couldn't stop before they converted?!

jesusjnr2020:
Just imagine how Christianity continues to brainwash people.

What a scam!

Is indeed a good brainwashing

May his name alone be praise 🙏🙏

femi4:
You are the one that have issue with my post. You quote me first

Cry harder I can feel your pain 😂

ojonugba2014:
Cry harder I can feel your pain 😂

The joke is on you

femi4:
The joke is on you

Time shall tell. So till then 😂

helinues:
A religion that won't allow you to make some personal decisions based on the event you are personally experiencing can be regarded as cult.

Free will is restricted in religion. Don't do this, don't do that , don't do those when we are not living in stone age

A wise person will look at where those with free will landed themselves and will definitely know that the religious way of life is the only way for sanity and decent living.

jesusjnr2020:
Just imagine how Christianity continues to brainwash people.

What a scam!

helinues see what so-called free will did to this person as opposed to Christianity. Will you prefer his former self?

I bet you don't know what Christianity is all about. You've been listening to legalists who call themselves Christians without understanding Christ. Christianity is not about laws or rules. In fact legalists (Pharisees etc) called Jesus a law breaker and rightly so because Christianity is not about keeping rules or laws. The Bible says laws or rule keeping is for lawless people.

1 Timothy 1:9 (AMP)
understanding the fact that law is not enacted for the righteous person [the one in right standing with God], but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,

pdppower:
The same way it has brainwashed so many Nigerian wives that they now worship their Daddy GOs more than their husbands.

You need to study your Bible, Christianity did not brainwash any house wife to respect their G.O more than their husband,it is their lazyness and foolishness to study their bible that put them in that spot.that is why I said study your Bible very well, because the bible made it explicit clear that the husband is the head of the wife,so if any wife respect any other man more than her husband, maybe it should be her father,bit between her father and her husband,it is still her husband that has the final say.

Expanse2020:
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Antlam

Omi-eran


https://www.nairaland.com/8596996/how-islam-brainwashed-me

MaxInDHouse:
It's written in the Bible!😟

Which part of the Bible teaches that an external system must control a person, and what is the reasoning given there?
And how do you respond to the observation that many humans live structural, ethical lives without subscribing to the Bible .

triplechoice:
Which part of the Bible teaches that an external system must control a person, and what is the reasoning given there?
And how do you respond to the observation that many humans live structural, ethical lives without subscribing to the Bible .

‭Jeremiah 10:23

Lord, I know that people’s lives are not their own; it is not for them to direct their steps.‭ NIV‬

O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. KJV

I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step. NWT

God supposed to direct us on right and wrong {Genesis 2:17} otherwise we will complicate issues for ourselves just as you can see it happening today.

So if it's not God's word that's controlling someone surely Satan will take over! Matthew 12:43-45

helinues:
A religion that won't allow you to make some personal decisions based on the event you are personally experiencing can be regarded as cult.

Free will is restricted in religion. Don't do this, don't do that , don't do those when we are not living in stone age

@helinues, with this you wrote you believe you are woke right? I doubt freedom is when you choose to hate people because they do not align with your beliefs but when you allow people live the life in peace enjoy their fundamental human rights without interference.

=> Christianity is about liberty and not bondage of any sort.
=> Christianity is about Jesus Christ, his teaching and not religion.
=> Christianity is about salvation and never destruction.

a fundamental that teaches LOVE and PEACE is what to you. every phenomenal in life has its own fundamental principles. you mean to say Nigeria having the rules and regulations (all embedded in its constitutional laws) guiding her citizens is an occultic society.

SIRTee15:
Society controls u. U do what's expected of u not what u want to do.
U work to make money, u don't go about picking other people's money.
U don't start beating people just because u hate them otherwise u end up in jail.

It's worse in western country. The control is beyond ordinary.

U can't even discipline your child the way u want, govt tells u how to discipline your child.
U can lose your house to your wife in case of divorce and govt will force u to pay the mortgage even when you don't live in it anymore.
U can't say what u want on social media, u could be banned or even jailed. Yes, u heard me- jailed.

U are not even allow to type kill on social media, it's now unalive.
anti-Semitism is not tolerated and recently they have added Islamophobe. Insulting the prophet of Muslims can send u to jail in UK.
In the US, A woman u slept with once 9 months ago can put your name as the Father of her newborn baby without ur knowledge or permission; and the govt will force I to pay child support until that child is 18 yrs.
Even if the DNA proves u not the Father, it changes nothing. Govt will still force u to pay child support even with DNA evidence.

There's no freewill anywhere. U are being controlled - ita a matter of choosing who to control u, society or Christ.

I am not convinced that the sort of "control" you have detailed is the same as QuinQ"s.

In any case, what you have referred as "society controlling the individual" is a complete mischaracterisation.

Firstly, control requires consent and interpretation. Nobody can control you without a degree of your consent. If you live under rules you consider objectionable, you have the choice to relocate, protest, or work to change them. More importantly, as humans, we are always in control of our responses. How we react to external circumstances depends on our interpretation of the situation. Interpreting social rules as "coerce control" ignores this core human agency.


Secondly, societal laws are a cooperative project, not an imposed control. Society is not controling me without my consent when I choose to obey laws that I am also responsible for creating or upholding, directly or indirectly. These laws exist to protect the rights I myself enjoy. Since I would not be happy if someone stole my property. It is not "control" to lead by example and respect the property of others. This is mutual respect codified as "Love your neighbour as you love yourself".

Furthermore, it is not control if I choose to obey laws that encourage treating my partner with respect, thereby avoiding a divorce with painful legal consequences.

It is not control if I choose to obey laws that restrain me from disciplining my child abusively, preventing lifelong trauma I would later regret.

It is not control if I obey laws that encourage me to take responsibility for the potential consequences of my own actions, such as the child that may result from a sexual encounter. If a child is born, and paternity is questioned, a temporary obligation to provide care pending a DNA test is not societal tyranny or coerce control. It is a prudent and ethical safeguard. It ensures an innocent child is not abandoned in limbo. If the child turns out to be mine after DNA test, I will have acted responsibly from the start. If not, I will have committed no crime by providing temporary care and may have done a profound social good for an innocent life. This is not what control is , but the mature burden of consequence.

Finally, it is not control if social media laws remind me to act responsibly, protecting others from harm as I wish to be protected.

I am not the only person in society. Acting without consideration for others is not freedom or exercising freewill. It is unconscious, selfish behaviour that ultimately backfires. Consciously choosing to uphold rules that create order and safety is the height of being in control, not evidence of being controlled. You have confused protection for oppression or control..


What is even worse is that your final conclusion renders your entire argument invalid.

You claimed that "There is no freewill anywhere........ It's matter of choosing who to control u, society or Christ". If there is no free will,. " choosing" is impossible. Your own rhetoric requires the very agency your premise denies. This contradiction alone collapses the logical structure of your argument. You cannot demand people exercise a choice you claim does not exist.

And again, your proposed "choice" solves nothing. But let's assume you mean we do have this one stark choice, your entire argument fails to answer the most obvious question:

If I choose Christ, how does that change any of the societal realities you listed?.

Does it nullify U.S divorce law or child support orders? No.

Does it grant a legal exemption to post threats or hate speech online? .No.

Does it permit you to physically abuse your child if you feel it's biblically justified? No. You would still be arrested.


Therefore, you are not presenting a choice between two functional controllers. You are asking me to follow all these societal laws and also submit mine internal worldwide to Christ. This is your trying to scam me. Society governs my actions in the public sphere through laws I have consented to. The religious alternative you propose governs beliefs and conscience.


Ultimately, I do not subscribe to your belief system, and so not under any obligation to make the choice you prefer. True autonomy lies not in rebelling against necessary social agreements, but in consciously participating in them while reserving the sovereignty of one's own mind.


Thank you

MaxInDHouse:
‭Jeremiah 10:23

Lord, I know that people’s lives are not their own; it is not for them to direct their steps.‭ NIV‬

O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. KJV

I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step. NWT

God supposed to direct us on right and wrong {Genesis 2:17} otherwise we will complicate issues for ourselves just as you can see it happening today.

So if it's not God's word that's controlling someone surely Satan will take over! Matthew 12:43-45

I appreciate the scriptural references you have provided, but they do not support the original claim I questioned. In fact, they illustrate a complete misreading.

Jeremiah 10.23 is about guidance, not coercive control, "something must control a man". The prophet is expressing humility and a request for divine guidance. "Lord, I know I cannot navigate this alone, please direct my path". This is the plea of a believer within a relationship, asking for wisdom, not declaring a universal truth that all humans are mindless Zombies who must be externally controlled.

To equate a request for guidance with the necessity of coerce control is to confuse partnership with a prison.

Mathew 12. 43-45 is a metaphor about habit, not a literal law of spiritual occupancy.The human mind is not a literal house.

The parable is a powerful metaphor for the human psyche. It describes how an empty passive mind, one that merely "cleans house" without filling it with positive purpose, is vulnerable to failing back into old, destructive patterns ( the seven other spirits). It is lesson about the danger of spiritual or moral emptiness, not a literal description of demonic possession. To use it as proof that a non-believer's mind will be " taken over by Satan is to ignore its literary form and psychological insight.

So, none of the passage supports the original sweeping claim, "something must control a man". a state of being acted upon. What you have provided are verses about seeking guidance and the dangers of an empty life.

Guidance is something one can accept or reject. Coerce control removes agency. QuinQ spoke of the latter. You have provided examples of the former.

What we observe in the world are billions of individuals who do not practice Christianity, yet live well-structured, ethical and productive lives, contributing positively to their societies and families. According to the logic you've presented these people must be under the control of the destructive force described in the Bible. This leads to an absurd conclusion, that the kindness, scientific innovation, justice, and love demonstrated by non-believers are the products of Satan that by biblical definition, "comes only to steal and kill and destroy". This is not a coherent or credible explanation for observable human goodness.



Therefore, my question to you and QuinQ is; Where is the observable evidence that humans cannot be Seif-governing agents, and that coercive control is a universal necessity?

You are now going to the extreme!


According to that verse no human can live safely without guidance from God that's why the wise man said:

Trust the Lord completely, and don’t depend on your own knowledge. With every step you take, think about what he wants, and he will help you go the right way. Proverbs 3:5-6

A follower of Christ Jesus word says:

We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One controls the whole world. 1John 5:19

This means that there is no one who is completely free from control it's either the person subjects himself to control from God or follow the worldly trends which belongs to Satan according to Jesus no one can sit on the fence:

You can enter true life only through the narrow gate. The gate to hell is very wide, and there is plenty of room on the road that leads there. Many people go that way. But the gate that opens the way to true life is narrow. And the road that leads there is hard to follow. Only a few people find it. Matthew 7:13-14

The guy you are discussing with may not know it deeply as i'm explaining now but the truth remains that something must control a man.
Why?
Because we live in the human society where we try to blend with common trends so only those who are subjecting themselves to God's will can escape Satan's snare! 1Peter 5:8

triplechoice:
I appreciate the scriptural references you have provided, but they do not support the original claim I questioned. In fact, they illustrate a complete misreading.

Jeremiah 10.23 is about guidance, not coercive control, "something must control a man". The prophet is expressing humility and a request for divine guidance. "Lord, I know I cannot navigate this alone, please direct my path". This is the plea of a believer within a relationship, asking for wisdom, not declaring a universal truth that all humans are mindless Zombies who must be externally controlled.

To equate a request for guidance with the necessity of coerce control is to confuse partnership with a prison.

Mathew 12. 43-45 is a metaphor about habit, not a literal law of spiritual occupancy.The human mind is not a literal house.

The parable is a powerful metaphor for the human psyche. It describes how an empty passive mind, one that merely "cleans house" without filling it with positive purpose, is vulnerable to failing back into old, destructive patterns ( the seven other spirits). It is lesson about the danger of spiritual or moral emptiness, not a literal description of demonic possession. To use it as proof that a non-believer's mind will be " taken over by Satan is to ignore its literary form and psychological insight.

So, none of the passage supports the original sweeping claim, "something must control a man". a state of being acted upon. What you have provided are verses about seeking guidance and the dangers of an empty life.

Guidance is something one can accept or reject. Coerce control removes agency. QuinQ spoke of the latter. You have provided examples of the former.

What we observe in the world are billions of individuals who do not practice Christianity, yet live well-structured, ethical and productive lives, contributing positively to their societies and families. According to the logic you've presented these people must be under the control of the destructive force described in the Bible. This leads to an absurd conclusion, that the kindness, scientific innovation, justice, and love demonstrated by non-believers are the products of Satan that by biblical definition, "comes only to steal and kill and destroy". This is not a coherent or credible explanation for observable human goodness.



Therefore, my question to you and QuinQ is; Where is the observable evidence that humans cannot be Seif-governing agents, and that coercive control is a universal necessity?

triplechoice:
I appreciate the scriptural references you have provided, but they do not support the original claim I questioned. In fact, they illustrate a complete misreading.

Jeremiah 10.23 is about guidance, not coercive control, "something must control a man". The prophet is expressing humility and a request for divine guidance. "Lord, I know I cannot navigate this alone, please direct my path". This is the plea of a believer within a relationship, asking for wisdom, not declaring a universal truth that all humans are mindless Zombies who must be externally controlled.

To equate a request for guidance with the necessity of coerce control is to confuse partnership with a prison.

Mathew 12. 43-45 is a metaphor about habit, not a literal law of spiritual occupancy.The human mind is not a literal house.

The parable is a powerful metaphor for the human psyche. It describes how an empty passive mind, one that merely "cleans house" without filling it with positive purpose, is vulnerable to failing back into old, destructive patterns ( the seven other spirits). It is lesson about the danger of spiritual or moral emptiness, not a literal description of demonic possession. To use it as proof that a non-believer's mind will be " taken over by Satan is to ignore its literary form and psychological insight.

So, none of the passage supports the original sweeping claim, "something must control a man". a state of being acted upon. What you have provided are verses about seeking guidance and the dangers of an empty life.

Guidance is something one can accept or reject. Coerce control removes agency. QuinQ spoke of the latter. You have provided examples of the former.

What we observe in the world are billions of individuals who do not practice Christianity, yet live well-structured, ethical and productive lives, contributing positively to their societies and families. According to the logic you've presented these people must be under the control of the destructive force described in the Bible. This leads to an absurd conclusion, that the kindness, scientific innovation, justice, and love demonstrated by non-believers are the products of Satan that by biblical definition, "comes only to steal and kill and destroy". This is not a coherent or credible explanation for observable human goodness.



Therefore, my question to you and QuinQ is; Where is the observable evidence that humans cannot be Seif-governing agents, and that coercive control is a universal necessity?

Thoughtful and erudite.
The evidence is hiding in plain sight. The quotes below will give you idea what they are. The prison is society itself!
Also, if you believe the Bible is true, Jesus clearly said He is the ONLY way to be reconciled to God, the ONLY way to salvation. He Himself! NOT good works or living a good life!

MaxInDHouse:
You are now going to the extreme!


According to that verse no human can live safely without guidance from God that's why the wise man said:

Trust the Lord completely, and don’t depend on your own knowledge. With every step you take, think about what he wants, and he will help you go the right way. Proverbs 3:5-6

A follower of Christ Jesus word says:

We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One controls the whole world. 1John 5:19

This means that there is no one who is completely free from control it's either the person subjects himself to control from God or follow the worldly trends which belongs to Satan according to Jesus no one can sit on the fence:

You can enter true life only through the narrow gate. The gate to hell is very wide, and there is plenty of room on the road that leads there. Many people go that way. But the gate that opens the way to true life is narrow. And the road that leads there is hard to follow. Only a few people find it. Matthew 7:13-14

The guy you are discussing with may not know it deeply as i'm explaining now but the truth remains that something must control a man.
Why?
Because we live in the human society where we try to blend with common trends so only those who are subjecting themselves to God's will can escape Satan's snare! 1Peter 5:8