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seunlayi:
This Alaafin just want to collect. If it were to be about 150yrs ago and this happened, Oyo and Ibadan people supposed to be at war this morning

Even Oyo will not dare go to war with ibadan
Those who formed ibadan were the best of Oyo warriors with some Ijebu and Egba traders and also don't folks from ilesha who were also warriors
Which hand Oyo want take fight war with ibadan

Osiris12:
1. He is not the choice of the kingmakers
2. He is not really loved by his people
3. He Dey mess up real bad by fighting the ooni
4. I’m not sure he has something upstairs

Well I think it was corruption and religion alignment that made him not to be the choice of the kingmakers though and I think it’s one of the reason why his people don’t like him too. And nope he’s a gentleman, well educated and living a good life in Canada before his coronation. Oba Lamidi too didn’t really have good relationship with Oba Sijuade but las las. He will be fine. He will realize his empire is gone soon and that no Yoruba town or city is still loyal to his Oyo ile anymore. Him go Dey alright.

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I thought in hierarchy the alaafin is more powerful compared to the olubadan? Pls someone who's vast in yoruba history should come educate me.

aribisala0:
Is your head alright

You and who know that?
We're Ijebu ever part of your empire?
Educate yourself and stop saying " stupid" things

If your own head is ever alright, you’d rather pick a book and read rather than saying “stupid” things here. You just called yourself an Ijebu now, do you ever wonder why you also call yourself “Yoruba” too and who actually owns the identity.

In The Hierarchy of Yoruba Kings , Is The Alaafin Not Suppose to Be Bigger And Olubadan Even Ooni , After Dem Say Yoruba People Get Respect, Nonsense,
Prostrating & Rolling on The Floor Doesn't Signify Respect, It's Only Cultural in Yorubaland to Do So,

Kukutente23:
Even Oyo will not dare go to war with ibadan
Those who formed ibadan were the best of Oyo warriors with some Ijebu and Egba traders and also don't folks from ilesha who were also warriors
Which hand Oyo want take fight war with ibadan

It was actually a mix of Egba, Ijebu, Ife, Oyo, Yewa and others. The first Baale of Ibadan was Balogun Maye Okunade (an Ife warrior).

Goodvibes007:
Oyo does not own Yorubaland. The Yorubaland in question is not the present day Yorubaland.

The documented Yorubaland he owns are: Towns of Oyo Atiba, Awe, Akinmarin, Ilora, Iseyin, Papa, Tede. and Sabe. Most of those towns are also no longer in existence.

Are u serious?? All the town you mentioned here are still in existence till today. What continent are u from?? Mars or pluto?

Antoeni:
In The Hierarchy of Yoruba Kings , Is The Alaafin Not Suppose to Be Bigger And Olubadan Even Ooni , After Dem Say Yoruba People Get Respect, Nonsense,
Prostrating & Rolling on The Floor Doesn't Signify Respect, It's Only Cultural in Yorubaland to Do So,

No. Ooni is the numero uno. He is the orisha while others are igba keji orisha (2nd to orisha).
Ooni is the Oghene.

LeeSmart:
I thought in hierarchy the alaafin is more powerful compared to the olubadan? Pls someone who's vast in yoruba history should come educate me.

No one is more powerful. All empire is long gone. We just revere some because of history. The only king in Yorubaland that is still much powerful and respected by all is “Ooni of Ife” and that’s because he sits on the throne of the source.

Eyin omo'badan kini so....

Kukutente23:
Even Oyo will not dare go to war with ibadan
Those who formed ibadan were the best of Oyo warriors with some Ijebu and Egba traders and also don't folks from ilesha who were also warriors
Which hand Oyo want take fight war with ibadan

I have never heard of ibadan empire but i have of the oyo empire, so educate me on while u think oyo won't suffocate ibadan as of those days?

LeeSmart:
I have never heard of ibadan empire but i have of the oyo empire, so educate me on while u think oyo won't suffocate ibadan as of those days?

Ibadan became a mini empire after the fall of Oyo.
If the British had not arrived our shores and involved themselves in the affairs, Ibadan would have been a full blown empire and more brutal than Oyo.

Goodvibes007:
We all never used the Yoruba name. The yoruba name was recent. Prior to everyone using Yoruba, we were called by our tribes e.g. Ijebu. Ife, Ijebu, Awori, e.t.c

- Ife, Ijebu, Ondo, Ekiti were never part of the Oyo empire.

The Ga in Ghana would even tell you that they left Ife before the formation of Oyo. Oyo is recent in Yoruba kingdoms.
Ife ana in Togo and Ife kekere (Usen) in Edo state would all tell you they left from Ife.

The Aworis in Lagos would also always remind you that their progenitor, Olofin Ogunfunminire, was an Ife Prince.

I know all of these bro. Ife remains the source of every oodua descendants of course.

We were talking about Yoruba and Yorubaland. And yea, the Yoruba name happens to be recent and every one accepted the name because we needed a uniform identity but prior that only the Oyo people were referred to as Yoruba. That’s what I was saying. They own the name.

Okexchange:
No one is more powerful. All empire is long gone. We just revere some because of history. The only king in Yorubaland that is still much powerful and respected by all is “Ooni of Ife” and that’s because he sits on the throne of the source.

Owkay thanks brother.... but one more thing, i have heard of the oyo empire and it conquest mission in Nigeria and how powerful it was (is) but i have not for once heard of the ibadan empire (pls correct me if i am wrong), so if you ask me the alaafin should be more powerful than the olubadan.

Kukutente23:
Oyo owns Yorubaland no reach Ibadan o
Ibadan was never subservient

LOL. The treaty was even signed in Ibadan I guess. As long as you talk about Yoruba identity and Yorubaland, you are literally talking about Oyo bro. That’s why the Alaafin was telling Ooni last time that Ooni has no right to give any title with Yorubaland to anyone and he’s right bro.

Okexchange:
I know all of these bro. Ife remains the source of every oodua descendants of course.

We were talking about Yoruba and Yorubaland. And yea, the Yoruba name happens to be recent and every one accepted the name because we needed a uniform identity but prior that only the Oyo people were referred to as Yoruba. That’s what I was saying. They own the name.

You are correct.

Goodvibes007:
Ibadan became a mini empire after the fall of Oyo.
If the British had not arrived our shores and involved themselves in the affairs, Ibadan would have been a full blown empire and more brutal than Oyo.

Alright thank you sir, i have learnt something this morning.

Okexchange:
LOL. The treaty was even signed in Ibadan I guess. As long as you talk about Yoruba identity and Yorubaland, you are literally talking about Oyo bro. That’s why the Alaafin was telling Ooni last time that Ooni has no right to give any title with Yorubaland to anyone and he’s right bro.

You keep mixing up Yoruba kingdom below with the present day Yorubaland.

This is exactly one of the major reason why the Alaafin is being disrespected by others. He can't seem to tell the difference just like you.

Okexchange:
LOL. The treaty was even signed in Ibadan I guess. As long as you talk about Yoruba identity and Yorubaland, you are literally talking about Oyo bro. That’s why the Alaafin was telling Ooni last time that Ooni has no right to give any title with Yorubaland to anyone and he’s right bro.

You're right about Oyo being the prime kingdom in Yorubaland but you need to know that when Ibadan was formed, Oyo had become a very weak empire that even relied on Ibadan for protection and legitimacy.
Oyo was the foremost political empire but Ibadan was never a conquered or vassal state to it.
That's why Ibadan has a song that says they've never been conquered

I saw it too and I was like Ladoja has children of that Oba's age. And even in achievements and feats , they are not mates. So to sit down and stretch hand to your father's mate is disrespectful to me. Because you're a traditional ruler doesn't mean you're common sense should be in the trash.

LeeSmart:
Owkay thanks brother.... but one more thing, i have heard of the oyo empire and it conquest mission in Nigeria and how powerful it was (is) but i have not for once heard of the ibadan empire (pls correct me if i am wrong), so if you ask me the alaafin should be more powerful than the olubadan.

The empire is no more. And when Ibadan was formed, the Oyo empire was long gone and during those period Ibadan was actually more powerful than Oyo so Ibadan was never a subject to Oyo at any point in time. So there’s no way to say Alaafin should be powerful than Olubadan but for the sake of the lost empire, people still revere the seat of the Alaafin but his authority ends at Oyo ile which is even quite smaller than Ibadan today.

Kukutente23:
You're right about Oyo being the prime kingdom in Yorubaland but you need to know that when Ibadan was formed, Oyo had become a very weak empire that even relied on Ibadan for protection and legitimacy.
Oyo was the foremost political empire but Ibadan was never a conquered or vassal state to it.
That's why Ibadan has a song that says they've never been conquered

Yoruba kingdom not Yorubaland.

To this Treaty the following certificate was added by the accredited messengers from the Ibadan Authoritiest:

[i]Oyo is commonly known as the Yoruba Kingdom, and embraces the towns of Oyo, Awe, Akinmarin, Ilora, Iseyin, Papa, Tede, also Sabe country.

"We hereby further certify that the towns named in the margint are under the direct influence of the Balogun and authorities of Ibadan, and that the above enumerated towns and country of Sabe, with their territories, also the towns detailed in the margin, represent now Yoruba proper.

Kukutente23:
You're right about Oyo being the prime kingdom in Yorubaland but you need to know that when Ibadan was formed, Oyo had become a very weak empire that even relied on Ibadan for protection and legitimacy.
Oyo was the foremost political empire but Ibadan was never a conquered or vassal state to it.
That's why Ibadan has a song that says they've never been conquered

I know bro.

This is why i personally like the Oni Of Ife though he overdo it sometimes,Humility when you are in position of authority is key.There is no man on earth today or of former times that does not have someone or a deity greater than them.
For Example
The Local Government chairman in Oyo and the Oyo state police commissioner are greater than the Alafin
The Oyo State Governor is Greater than The chairman and police commissioner.
President Tinubu is Greater than the Oyo State Governor.
President Donald Trump is Greater than President Tinubu
God is greater than President Donal Trump.
The day man knows that he is a subjugated being,his problems are over.What position is Alafin in the hierarchy of Kings in Africa and the world at large.
Why all these immaturity from a whole king.

LeeSmart:
I have never heard of ibadan empire but i have of the oyo empire, so educate me on while u think oyo won't suffocate ibadan as of those days?

The Oyo empire had already declined by the time Ibadan was formed. And yes. Oyo is the only empire that ever came out of Yorubaland with a very high degree of political organisation. Ibadan was never an empire but it was a metropolitan state made up of a mixture of the best warriors from different tribes of the Yorubas.
So if war ever broke out between Oyo and Ibadan in those days which was virtually impossible since Oyo itself relied on Ibadan for protection, Ibadan will easily decimate Oyo

Okexchange:
If your own head is ever alright, you’d rather pick a book and read rather than saying “stupid” things here. You just called yourself an Ijebu now, do you ever wonder why you also call yourself “Yoruba” too and who actually owns the identity.

Asese ran onde majesin bi ogun bi ogun ni maa se won
When you know a little you think you know more than people who have been on the subject before you were born
Nobody owns anything
Yoruba is not an identity that can be owned
That is where you get it wrong
It is like saying who owns the terms Nigerian African or amala or moin moin

You think you know but do not

Yoruba was a term that was always used by an external group to refer to another

No group went anywhere and identified themselves as Yoruba before Nigeria was created

The half information you have about Oyo and Yoruba makes you think you are enlightened and know everything

Yes outsiders at some point called Oyo Yoruba but they never called themselves so
They are Oyo that us their identity Oyo not Yoruba

Also that term Yorubaland

All I will tell you is LAND is not our language
Cross over to Benin they call themselves Nago or Anago

Goodvibes007:
You keep mixing up Yoruba kingdom below with the present day Yorubaland.

This is exactly one of the major reason why the Alaafin is being disrespected by others. He can't seem to tell the difference just like you.

Is there still a Yoruba kingdom today? I Can you see no Kings across Yorubaland today no matter how powerful can give the title of “Yorubaland” to anyone even till date? Not even Ooni. Maybe you are not getting it. Alaafin is not getting it wrong, he’s only reminding everyone that the name Yoruba belongs exclusively to his domain even though the rest of us choose it as our identity. For example the Awujale, can make anyone “okanlomo of Ijebuland”, The Olubadan can make anyone the okanlomo of Ibadanland. Ooni has the right to Ooduland but only the Alaafin can exclusively make anyone “the okanlomo of Yorubaland” and not Oyo because that was the right name of his kingdom which the rest of us picked up while seeking uniformity. So if you are going to use the name today, The Alaafin holds the right to remind you, that name belongs to him. Are you getting it now? Likes of Iseyin, Tede, Sabe and likes are they not independent towns today? But didn’t they also decided to opt for the name Yoruba and call their land Yorubaland too during the period when we were all seeking uniformity?

Goodvibes007:
Oyo does not own Yorubaland. The Yorubaland in question is not the present day Yorubaland.

The documented Yorubaland he owns are: Towns of Oyo Atiba, Awe, Akinmarin, Ilora, Iseyin, Papa, Tede. and Sabe. Most of those towns are also no longer in existence.

Akinmorin, Ilora, Iseyin, Tede and Awe are still in existence. Sabe is in Benin Republic now.

Goodvibes007:
Yoruba kingdom not Yorubaland.

To this Treaty the following certificate was added by the accredited messengers from the Ibadan Authoritiest:

[i]Oyo is commonly known as the Yoruba Kingdom, and embraces the towns of Oyo, Awe, Akinmarin, Ilora, Iseyin, Papa, Tede, also Sabe country.

"We hereby further certify that the towns named in the margint are under the direct influence of the Balogun and authorities of Ibadan, and that the above enumerated towns and country of Sabe, with their territories, also the towns detailed in the margin, represent now Yoruba proper.

I don't know why you'll be carrying a treaty by a white man around as cogent evidence of Yoruba history. Was the white man there when Oyo empire stretched to Benin Republic and Ekiti and Nupe towns?
Do you also agree with the white man that Ilorin and Okunland belong to the fulanis?

delpee:
Akinmorin, Ilora, Iseyin, Tede and Awe are still in existence. Sabe is in Benin Republic now.

The Sabe in question still exists. It's different from the one in Benin Republic