₦airaland Forum

BlackViper:
You mean, Nigerians have no right to expect tax subsidised social services in return for the high taxes they are expected to pay? Nigeria the giant of Africa?

those services expected as tax return are responsibilities of State..not federal government....the guy naa mumu

Olodo dr....all these services are state responsibilities.... nothing concern fg with free education...Your state take care of that...

Naa wah for this mumu people wey dey teach us English every day..

We wey no sabi grammer self sabi the differences between state responsibilities and fg responsibilities

Lithiumite:
Which nigerian leader is as rich as MBS of Saudi Arabia or the al maktooms of dubai......can you raise a finger and abuse the Saudi leaders as you always do tinubu here every second? What is the GDP of Saudi Arabia compared to ours, we don't come close,talk about their foreign reserves,we come no where close and you expect same lifestyle despite our huge heterogeneous population and insignificant income......when Nigerians start paying taxes,they will hold their govts more responsible and become more active in political processes.

Which of the Suudis loots national assets with reckless abandon and leave its citizens in penury?


How often your leaders genuinely declare their assets, even though they loot in the hundreds of billions.


Moreover, Nigerians will never hold any leader accountable till world ends because the leaders have your kind as foot soldiers will always be there to defend, pro-protest and even assume thouts to attack protest.


The tax is nonsense, and it will end up where the others have always end up.


Nigeria don't need more tax, it needs accountability.

9jatriot:
With very little things upstairs, you guys resort to insults.

How does this your response counter my own statement that you quoted?

you still can't see the foolishness and ignorance in your statement smh, if someone earns 2,220 euros per month as minimum wage in Germany and spends 20 euros on books per semester thats means a German spends less than 1percent of his monthly minimum wage on books, a Nigerian spends nothing less than 20thousand on books that is about 30 percent of his minimum wage on books, for you to know say a guy who spends less than 1 percent of his monthly salary on books pay more than someone who spends about a 30 percent on books is just insensitive , what is even more stupid is you now converting his currency that has value to naira that is practically worthless.

seunmsg:
How many people pay PIT other than government workers and those in well structured private sector?

A lot more than you can imagine
Even market women and artisans

Flangelo12:
People like this clearly haven't learnt anything living abroad

Seconded.

PulaPower:
I’ll verify what he said on TikTok from the Germans

I don confam... Nah lie. Germany is battling high inflation and they’re now paying 10x for things compare to what they pay 2years ago..

Before you take any country serious, always watch and listen to comments from the citizens, not some paid random analysts..

You need to leave Pula power and embrace brain power
You did not debunk anything he said
He never mentioned anything about inflation
He mentioned some specifics

Yankee101:
Some people don’t understand why we’re complaining about the taxes
The countries that tax that high provide so much for their citizens
Also oil producing countries like us in the Middle East don’t pay personal income taxes and yet get great amenities

1.The countries that tax high also tax most of their citizens and also have diversified economies. That's why their governments have enough revenue to give them good public service.

Nigeria? A tiny minority pay tax, our tax rate is , until this month...0-24%, we don't tax up to 15% of our GDP (That's lower than NIger Republic, and it has been like that for years), and tax like VAT can only raise 8 TRILLION Naira at best. (for comparison our national budget is 55 trillion)

That's before we talk about stealing from the budget, which happens a lot , and makes the already smaller money, smaller. But even if there was no stealing, there is no way that 55 trillion naira or 36 billion dollars would provide German level of public services and anemites to 230 million people.

(I am not defending any government, I am just stating reality as it is, and I am ready to say the same if Obi or Atiku or Sowore is in power)

As for middle eastern nations, well

Saudi has 40-50 million people, and lives on 10 million barrels per day
UAE has 15-20 million people, and lives on 3 million barrles per day
Qatar has 1-2 million people and lives on 2 million barrels per day(that's why they could host a glorious world cup)
Libya has 8 million people, and lives on 1.7 million barrels per day(under Ghaddafi it was 5million).
Nigeria has 230 million people and lives on 1.5 million barrels per day.

If we wanted to live like the middle eastern oil states, we would have to have a population less than 5 million . That's it. 5 million. We can, again remove corruption, but it would still won't be enough unless we tell 224 million nigerians that they should migrate to Cameroon., Niger, Benin, Togo, and GHana, as they are not nigerian anymore. Removing corruption won;t hide the fact the money is not enough.

Or we would have to borrow something like 400-500 billion dollars annually, from whoever would give us that money to fund our good life. (Hint, no one would, not even a god ).

That is why for donkey years, various people within and outside Nigeria have talked about us DIVERSIFYING Into an economy that uses its natural resources to make industrial products for the world to use. But that is not a popular message. Most of you people choose to believe we are as rich as the Saudis...when we really arent. Even when we sold a variety of agirc, and mineral products, most Nigerians were poor and lived without access to good roads, light, potable water, schools, etc. ANd the problem with oil is, we don't set the price. If oil drops to 2 dollars per barrel tomorrow, Saudi would look like a thrid world country in one year.

The sad thing is that most of you want a government that would share money to you so that you can live a good life.. That is classic rentier state behaviour. Why develop when oil money can be shared and used to import all we need? It's that kind of mentality that caused Iraq to lose to the US...because despite being the fourth largest army in the world by 1990, all its weapons were made abroad. All of them. Oil dependency means that like the ancient Israelites, we are handing over our manufacturing capacity to the Philistines (see the book of Samuel..the no blacksmiths in israel verse).

One thing about the middle eastern countries...corruption is rampant. And accountability is zero. Why be accountable to the people when they are not paying you, you are paying yourself from oil revenue. And despite all the oil, one in seven saudis live below the poverty line.fr example.

As shitty as tinubu's government is, just as GEJ was right on subsidy removal, and power privatization, tinubu is right on taxation. It's sad such a good idea came from such a corrupt person, but it is what it is.

PulaPower:
Nah America own surprised me pass..

American already in the end of their era , all these ones they are doing will only bring them down faster

When some of us say many of you guys do not really have something upstairs, some other assume we are being too hard on you guys

Of all the other fees that apply, you went to only pick one of them. Tuition fee may be free but the education itself is not, Germany and the Scandinavian countries are just cheaper than the others does not make them totally free.
They are an example of what they call, "Terms and Conditions may apply". Admin fees alone is already more than many public universities' fees here. When you add the mandatory health insurance, it is virtually guaranteed to be more than the majority of state-owned universities that are more on the expensive side than federal universities.

So, go back to the first quote you did not understand but quoted and started insulting about and compare it with the info below and explain in a sensible language what you find to be a lie/

Even with free tuition at German public universities, expect major semester expenses for Semester Fees (€100-€400) covering admin and often a transport pass, mandatory Health Insurance (€110+/month), and significant Living Costs (rent, food, personal), totaling around €900-€1,200+ per month, plus initial visa/blocked account funds, while the state of Baden-Württemberg charges non-EU students an extra €1,500 per semester.
Mandatory Semester Fees (Per Semester)
Semester Contribution (Semesterbeitrag): €100 - €400 (covers admin, student union, often a public transport pass).
Baden-Württemberg Exception: Non-EU students pay an additional €1,500 per semester in this state.
Monthly Living Expenses (Estimate: €900 - €1,200+)
Accommodation: €350 - €700+ (highly variable by city/type).
Health Insurance: €110 - €120+ (mandatory public insurance).
Food: €200 - €300+.
Study Materials: €30 - €50+ (books, supplies).
Phone/Internet: €30 - €60+.
Personal/Recreation: €70 - €100+ (leisure, clothing, etc.).
Initial & Other Costs

One-Time Costs: Flights, initial setup, etc..
Key Takeaway: While tuition is largely free, the primary costs are living expenses and the mandatory semester fee, with health insurance and accommodation being the biggest budget items. [/

Shattuck:
you still can't see the foolishness and ignorance in your statement smh, if someone earns 2,220 euros per month as minimum wage in Germany and spends 20 euros on books per semester thats means a German spends less than 1percent of his monthly minimum wage on books, a Nigerian spends nothing less than 20thousand on books that is about 30 percent of his minimum wage on books, for you to know say a guy who spends less than 1 percent of his monthly salary on books pay more than someone who spends about a 30 percent on books is just insensitive , what is even more stupid is you now converting his currency that has value to naira that is practically worthless.

Hi

9jatriot:
When some of us say many of you guys do not really have something upstairs, some other assume we are being too hard on you guys

Of all the other fees that apply, you went to only pick one of them. Tuition fee may be free but the education itself is not, Germany and the Scandinavian countries are just cheaper than the others does not make them totally free.
They are an example of what they call, "Terms and Conditions may apply".

So, go back to the first quote you did not understand but quoted and started insulting about and compare it with the info below and explain in a sensible language what you find to be a lie/


[b]Even with free tuition at German public universities, expect major semester expenses for Semester Fees (€100-€400) covering admin and often a transport pass, mandatory Health Insurance (€110+/month), and significant Living Costs (rent, food, personal), totaling around €900-€1,200+ per month, plus initial visa/blocked account funds, while the state of Baden-Württemberg charges non-EU students an extra €1,500 per semester.
Mandatory Semester Fees (Per Semester)
Semester Contribution (Semesterbeitrag): €100 - €400 (covers admin, student union, often a public transport pass).
Baden-Württemberg Exception: Non-EU students pay an additional €1,500 per semester in this state.
Monthly Living Expenses (Estimate: €900 - €1,200+)
Accommodation: €350 - €700+ (highly variable by city/type).
Health Insurance: €110 - €120+ (mandatory public insurance).
Food: €200 - €300+.
Study Materials: €30 - €50+ (books, supplies).
Phone/Internet: €30 - €60+.
Personal/Recreation: €70 - €100+ (leisure, clothing, etc.).
Initial & Other Costs
Blocked Account: Required for visa, showing €992/month (€11,904 for a year) as proof of funds.
Visa Fees: Costs associated with applying for a student visa.
One-Time Costs: Flights, initial setup, etc..
Key Takeaway: While tuition is largely free, the primary costs are living expenses and the mandatory semester fee, with health insurance and accommodation being the biggest budget items. [/b]

you can't just be picking things from the Internet and posting without understanding, there is no country in the world where you don't pay transport cost or feeding, how does that equate to the schools not being tuition free, students in Nigerian federal institutions don't they feed and cloth themselves, is it the govt that feed them, so how does that equate to German universities not being tuition free, you talked about how they pay more, what percentage of their minimum wage do they spend on all this, compare to the percentage of minimum wage nigerianns spend on the same.

seunmsg:
Less than 10% of Nigerians pay personal income tax. In fact, only those in well structured paid employment get to pay. Even at that, over 90% of them don’t pay up to 30%.

Again, it’s sad to see people ignorantly thinking their personal income taxes goes to FG. No, your taxes goes to your state government fully. Tinubu gets all the blame for the tax reform while state governors take every personal income tax. Even the VAT, states take 85% while FG takes 15%. Nigeria is probably the only country where the central government doesn’t take a dime from payroll tax. In US, Germany etc, FG takes the lion share from payroll tax. Not in Nigeria.

Thank you. I appreciate your excellent contribution. I particularly love your references to FFG, state governors, personal income tax and aptfully using the phrases "well structured salary".
These few unfortunate Nigerians are those that have been carrying the burnt of tax payment for decades. A large percentage of the so-called businessmen and women in this country don't pay tax.

All the hullabaloo raised against the tax reform have largely come a specific mischievous group of Nigerians who have vowed to see nothing good about this government. They are the unpatriotic lot that would rather see Nigeria go down. It is nauseating to see so-called political leaders sheepishly joining the fray in the name of opposition politics.

obi4eze:
Tinubu will use your tax to fund his 2027 ambition. That's all he is interested in right now.

Nah your state your personal income Tax dey go.

Leave Tinubu alone. Hold your governor accountible

That’s exactly why I struggle to engage with people like you. Did I ever say it wasn’t tuition-free? No.
I made a logical point—go back and read it again. I said that even though tuition is free, the additional costs—like administrative fees ranging from 100 to 400 euros, mandatory health insurance, and faculty-specific fees—still make it more expensive than universities here.
Did I say tuition-free education was a bad thing? Not at all.
What really annoys me about you is how quickly you resort to insults. I see that as a serious character flaw.

Shattuck:
Hiyou can't just be picking things from the Internet and posting without understanding, there is no country in the world where you don't pay transport cost or feeding, how does that equate to the schools not being tuition free, students in Nigerian federal institutions don't they feed and cloth themselves, is it the govt that feed them, so how does that equate to German universities not being tuition free, you talked about how they pay more, what percentage of their minimum wage do they spend on all this, compare to the percentage of minimum wage nigerianns spend on the same.

Bizibi:
you ended up saying nothing.....what are we getting in return

Road wey U dey pass, nah Ur family money dem use build.

If U one travel from your state to Lagos. Nah spirit go carry you bah 😂

PenSniper:
Thank you. I appreciate your excellent contribution. I particularly love your references to FFG, state governors, personal income tax and aptfully using the phrases "well structured salary".
These few unfortunate Nigerians are those that have been carrying the burnt of tax payment for decades. A large percentage of the so-called businessmen and women in this country don't pay tax.

All the hullabaloo raised against the tax reform have largely come a specific mischievous group of Nigerians who have vowed to see nothing good about this government. They are the unpatriotic lot that would rather see Nigeria go down. It is nauseating to see so-called political leaders sheepishly joining the fray in the name of opposition politics.

No, most of the complaints about the tax regime come from most Nigerians..

The problem started at independence, which was sold to most of the population the following way...all that money we send to the UK we will spend it on you here. Plus, we were also told that Nigeria has a lot of resources, and all we need to do is to sell them and we would be prosperous. That worked until our population outgrew the ability of the resources to sustain it.(and then we discovered oil, then ten years later oil prices rose so high that it snuffed out other sources of income..leading to losses in jobs and productive capacity, which was already not good enough to begin with). Problem no 1.

Also, corruption. As Oshiomole once said, Nigeria is that country where a borehole (then ) that costs N2M would be done for N10m, and no one would complain. Every day we have been hearing of corruption cases for decades. In the millions of naira, sometimes billions. This gives the flawed idea that Nigeria is so rich, otherwise why would they be stealing from Nigeria? No one steals from a poor man or nation, is another flawed idea. Meanwhile, people look at the money stolen, look at the bad anemities, and conclude, logically, that since Naija is a rich nation, that means most of the money is being hidden somewhere...and matters are not helped that billions have been looted over the decades. (Recovering the loot is another matter...see Abacha loot, he died in 1998, we are still finding the money even up till today)...problem no 2.

Only a tiny minority are playing politics with the thing, and even among that tiny minority, are people who are genuinely angry still. And let's be honest, this government is not fighting corruption, just like past governments. See Malami, people feel that 1) tinubu is prosecuting him because he is the enemy, meanwhile tinubu pals go scott free 2) why didn't Buhari prosecute him since, if he was that bad?

Yankee101:
Some people don’t understand why we’re complaining about the taxes
The countries that tax that high provide so much for their citizens
Also oil producing countries like us in the Middle East don’t pay personal income taxes and yet get great amenities

No sense made here at all.
With regards to other oil producing countries in the Middle East, what about the population and land size differences ? And the difference in the quantity of oil reserves. Would these not count ?
They have more oil reserves and far less people
and landmass to cater for.

As for essential services being provided, will they provide these before or after the collection of tax?

The citizens can only complain if they fail in providing those services after collecting the tax.

Oh my.
The environment this one lives in has not rubbed off him at all.
What a shame! !

9jatriot:
That’s exactly why I struggle to engage with people like you. Did I ever say it wasn’t tuition-free? No.
I made a logical point—go back and read it again. I said that even though tuition is free, the additional costs—like administrative fees ranging from 100 to 400 euros, mandatory health insurance, and faculty-specific fees—still make it more expensive than universities here.
Did I say tuition-free education was a bad thing? Not at all.
What really annoys me about you is how quickly you resort to insults. I see that as a serious character flaw.

We are saying the same thing they pay administrative fees, faculty fees, schools in Nigeria still pay these same fees, now when you combine the total fees you"ll still see it is just a portion of their minimum wage, that of Nigeria universities I doubt if minimum wage can cover it, how then did you come up with your logic that they pay more compared to Nigerian universities? Unless you are converting the amount of euros to naira, which is and ignorant way of measuring the cost of education among countries.

Stephen0mozzy:
Nor be country we dey abeg.
God bear us witness abeg. All Nigerians supposed just get asylum for heaven - make our politicians go pay for our sins in hell.

The many reasons I don't believe in heaven or hell.

The wickedness we're subjected to on a daily basis is frightening, while those in other countries are living the heaven in earth experience.

I don't believe anything can be worse than Nigeria or better than these other countries.

We're already either in hell or heaven depending on the country you abide, and not just going through it (hell as for Nigeria)

Comprehension remains a big problem for you guys. You can keep swinging from one side to the other.

Shattuck:
We are saying the same thing they pay administrative fees, faculty fees, schools in Nigeria still pay these same fees, now when you combine the total fees you"ll still see it is just a portion of their minimum wage, that of Nigeria universities I doubt if minimum wage can cover it, how then did you come up with your logic that they pay more compared to Nigerian universities? Unless you are converting the amount of euros to naira, which is and ignorant way of measuring the cost of education among countries.

9jatriot:
Comprehension remains a big problem for you guys. You can keep swinging from one side to the other.

Just accept your wrong and quit, you clearly stated something maybe you don't understand yourself you clearly stated that Germans pay more than nigeria, how do they pay more? you couldn't provide any logical answer yet talking about comprehension.

Stephen0mozzy:
Nor be country we dey abeg.
God bear us witness abeg. All Nigerians supposed just get asylum for heaven - make our politicians go pay for our sins in hell.

You still believe in heaven and hell?

Pierocash:
Anybody must be mad to compare a country with social amenities with Nigeria with practically no government presence. Comparing a country with higher Standard of living, , higher minimum wage, higher level of accountability.

The person must be mad

Una go just open una mouth waa dey spit out jargons. Did you see what the India man wrote. Many countries are far worse than Naija but I atill feel this country is on its way to being one of the best if we can defeat Insecurity.

Kukutente23:
A lot more than you can imagine
Even market women and artisans

I started my working career at LIRS. I know more about compliance with PIT than you.

jamafa:
Road wey U dey pass, nah Ur family money dem use build.

If U one travel from your state to Lagos. Nah spirit go carry you bah 😂

you ended up writing nothing..... just the usual nonsense I see on this platform.

Look some of us are stakeholders in this government but I don't just support blindly,this year is campaign year and I can assure you that they are more focused on 2027 election than any other thing this year so the question should be WHAT ARE THE TAXPAYERS GETTING IN RETURN?

nairalanda1:
No, most of the complaints about the tax regime come from most Nigerians..

The problem started at independence, which was sold to most of the population the following way...all that money we send to the UK we will spend it on you here. Plus, we were also told that Nigeria has a lot of resources, and all we need to do is to sell them and we would be prosperous. That worked until our population outgrew the ability of the resources to sustain it.(and then we discovered oil, then ten years later oil prices rose so high that it snuffed out other sources of income..leading to losses in jobs and productive capacity, which was already not good enough to begin with). Problem no 1.

Also, corruption. As Oshiomole once said, Nigeria is that country where a borehole (then ) that costs N2M would be done for N10m, and no one would complain. Every day we have been hearing of corruption cases for decades. In the millions of naira, sometimes billions. This gives the flawed idea that Nigeria is so rich, otherwise why would they be stealing from Nigeria? No one steals from a poor man or nation, is another flawed idea. Meanwhile, people look at the money stolen, look at the bad anemities, and conclude, logically, that since Naija is a rich nation, that means most of the money is being hidden somewhere...and matters are not helped that billions have been looted over the decades. (Recovering the loot is another matter...see Abacha loot, he died in 1998, we are still finding the money even up till today)...problem no 2.

Only a tiny minority are playing politics with the thing, and even among that tiny minority, are people who are genuinely angry still. And let's be honest, this government is not fighting corruption, just like past governments. See Malami, people feel that 1) tinubu is prosecuting him because he is the enemy, meanwhile tinubu pals go scott free 2) why didn't Buhari prosecute him since, if he was that bad?

You are largely right. Funny enough, the only grouse I have against Tinubu is the selective corruption war but I believe he is playing Safe against 2nd term. Ditto for insecurity. Both issues are too complex to handle as is necessary given the complex nature of Nigeria. Do you remember Sule Lamido's intimating hypothesis about Nigerian ? He said all of them who are politicians are thieves and the ideology that binds them together is corruption. He added that for as long as Nigerians remain divided by tribe and religion, they will never be able to fight for their rights against politicians who employ those tools to divide them.

Buhari did not fight corruption but only as we have it presently.
I have a bunch that Tinubu is bidding his time until 2nd term. He is more likely to be more radical and assertive.
Though I did not vote for him, Tinubu has taken me back by most of his policies so far. As far as I know, this is the first govt in the history of this country that is just begging to put this country on the right economic pedestal and I've been around for a while. All previous govts adopted the fire brigade approach.
Nigerian would've gone far and better developed if we had sustained the 10-year development template of early period.

Blunt99:
Which of the Suudis loots national assets with reckless abandon and leave its citizens in penury?


How often your leaders genuinely declare their assets, even though they loot in the hundreds of billions.


Moreover, Nigerians will never hold any leader accountable till world ends because the leaders have your kind as foot soldiers will always be there to defend, pro-protest and even assume thouts to attack protest.


The tax is nonsense, and it will end up where the others have always end up.


Nigeria don't need more tax, it needs accountability.

Has the al sauds ever declared their assets for once,are they accountable to anyone,to the Saudis have the kind of political freedom you enjoy in Nigeria....Saudi Arabia is a homogeneous nation with one people,one religion,one philosophy compared to Nigeria,you refuse to support the current president who is trying is best to halt the decline in the economy and trying to set the country on a new trajectory just
because he isn't your tribe or because he bested your choice in 23.

Yes the decline from the obj/yard adua years started from GEJ.....Nigeria earned its highest oil revenues since the Gulf war era during the GEJ presidency but what did he achieve with all that money,he was infact even borrowing to pay salaries and subsidies.,buhari came to further tank the economy......what we are facing today is the result of the several years of rot in the economy and our problems didn't start today.

An industrialised country like Germany is what you are saying 90percent of their money comes from tax. Why is difficult for an average blackman to read and research things is baffling

nairalanda1:
This comment is why you will never have good leaders.

Tax does not form the majority of our earnings. Oil income does.

That's why looting happens. The money is not coming from our pockets most of the time. Truth in the 1960s before oil became our income earner, truth today

In Germany , most money that the politicans spend comes from tax. That is why their people hold them accountable. One would be madt to steal in a country where 90% of budget came from tax

Pierocash:
Anybody must be mad to compare a country with social amenities with Nigeria with practically no government presence. Comparing a country with higher Standard of living, , higher minimum wage, higher level of accountability.

The person must be mad

The point he's trying to make is that there's no justification for Nigerian govts tax to be that high considering the fact that the citizens benefit almost nothing from the govt. He's trying to say the Nigerian govt is moronic attempting to copy high taxation styles from Western countries when they do not use that same taxes to provide basic stuffs for its citizens compared to what obtains in the western countries they're copying the taxation policies from.

damoobaba:
You still believe in heaven and hell?

You still believe that we evolved from tadpoles?

hilaryCU:
An industrialised country like Germany is what you are saying 90percent of their money comes from tax. Why is difficult for an average blackman to read and research things is baffling

Yes, tax on the people and tax on the companies and industries.

Or you thought I was only referring to personal income tax alone?