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Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Antiislaam(m): 9:56am On Jan 13

doffman:
No doubt, everyone knows that Christianity nah agbako religion . Tuehhh

See your people in action . Gbam

When will you do your own bayii 😀

Sule, ijaya Libya

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 1:36pm On Jan 13

doffman:
Preaching .

As you can never defend your religion , you need to Japa away from that religion asap before it will be too late for you .

In case you are ready , repeat after me :

[b]I bear witness that there is no other god except Allah and Muhammad is the last messenger of GOD

Lobatan and you will be out of evil Pauline religion ✌️
[/b]

One of your pastor has seen the light .

Louder alagbakoo boy

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 1:37pm On Jan 13

doffman:
🤣Yea , you will need this to be okay :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwEW10dwxr4?s

You must not be tired!

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 1:37pm On Jan 13

doffman:
Tire to treat you out of evil Pauline spirit in you keh ; never ! 😎

Oya read :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DerApQ5Hrzg?Z

You can do more better!

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 1:38pm On Jan 13

doffman:
😀 Oya take your medicine 💊 today :

https://youtu.be

Repeat this over and over again!

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Qasim6(m): 11:39pm On Jan 13*

SIRTee15:
pls understand how the word Elohim is used in bible context. same with Son of God.
Even men are called Elohim.
what we talking about here is the divine name of God. El Shaddai- Almighty God. His own PERSONAL NAME- YHWH, Lord- ADNONAI
GOD SHARES HIS GLORY WITH NO ONE. SO WE SHOULD ASK QUESTION WHEN OTHER PERSONS IN THE BIBLE LIKE ANGEL OF THE LORD IS CALLED YHWH OR GOD ALMIGHTY.
I cant be choosing what aligns with my preferred belief in the bible, u can do that because u are a muslim and the bible is not a scipture to u. I cant do that as a chrsitian.

I thought for you Trinitarians Elohim is used for the true God and not Eloah in order to foreshadow his true nature(3 persons, 1 being)
My argument is if same Elohim and not Eloah is used for someone like Moses, maybe he is part of the Godhead too?, at least the addition of Moses won't suddenly change it to polytheism.

It is not about God sharing his Glory, It's about God giving his authority to a created agent. If the Angel of the lord is God in identity, he wouldn't need the name to be placed in him, he would possess the name inherently.

In Exodus 33 2-3 God is telling Moses "I will send an angel before you" and in the same breath "I will not go up among you" this clearly indicates substitute for the direct presence of God Almighty and not glory sharing or anything. And you guys are not the only one reading the scripture, they have been reading it before the helenistic period and they did not understand those passages as 2 powers in heaven or God being multi person in unity.

SIRTee15:
SO ARE U SAYING GOD'S NAME IS NOT DIVINE? IS ALLAH'S NAME DIVINE?
SO ALLAH CAN SHARE HIS NAME WITH OTHER PERSONS??
because THE SCRIPTURE CLEARLY SHOWED GOD SHARED HIS DIVINE NAME WITH OTHER PERSONS.

If God placed his name in any messanger in other to accomplish a specific task that does not automatically make them God in identity, placing the name in them already indicate the name is not the messanger own to begin with.
The reason why I'm asking when God sent Moses as Elohim to Pharaoh does that automatically makes Moses God in identity?

SIRTee15:
Latreuo was used for Jesus in the book of revelations.

Rev 22.3
3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will worship {latreuo} him.

This verse alone is a powerful evidence of shared essence of the Father and the Son in the bible.
Father and Son linked to just one throne
singular verb used in the sentence for both father and son.

In all of the NT with all those 'they worshipped him' with Jesus as the object, you only found one and that one verse still has God with the lamb such that we cannot tell who are the servants worshipping, is it God or the lamb. with the way the NT writers avoid using Latreuo for Jesus in all other places does that not implies Latreuo here is meant for God and not the Lamb?

And no that verse does not indicate any shared essence. There are other verses like Rev 3:2 that indicates the lamb has a God.

SIRTee15:
This shows u dont understand trinity, essence is the same within the Godhead not the hypostasis. same being, same nature but different persons.
Most muslims don't understand trinity anyway, they believe the concept mean 3 beings.
Man and woman has the same nature as human being. the dna of a man is the same as that of a woman. But the persons and role is different.

another what? another being or another person? another existence or another personification of the same existence?
pls be clear.

I understand trinity more than the average Christians, ask them about trinity and see them falling left and right into heresies, so don't give me that you Muslims don't understand trinity as if majority of Christians do.

My argument is if the angel is God in all aspect why deflect the sacrifice why not just accept it?
Why pray to another person in the God being when you are God yourself?

Are u saying only the father can receive burnt offerings and prayers?

Yeah, you Trinitarians are just deceiving yourselves, you guys want to eat your cake and still have it, you want to worship 3 Gods and still claim monotheist because you know the God Christianity is supposed to anchor on is one. We wouldn't count SIRTee15, Qasim, and Bayo as 1 human being but you want us to count Father, son and Spirit as 1 God being because you claim they all have the same will, but when we bring verses like Matthew 26:39 to show Jesus's will is different from God's will, you throw in another confusion aka hypostatic union (fully God and fully Man) as if that makes any sense; not all knowing and at the same time all knowing and every other contradiction that comes with that.

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by Qasim6(m): 11:58pm On Jan 13

SIRTee15:
THE FATHER DECLARES, THE WORD REVEALS THAT WHICH HAS BEEN DECLARED AND THE SPIRIT MANIFEST THE DECLARATION.
so I dont understand how these verses u quoted contradict trinity

Those verses contradict trinity when we consider these verses in the new testament.
Jesus a member of the trinity identifying father as the only true God. John 17:3

‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' John 20:17

'Jesus as the first born of every creation' Colossians 1:15

I know you are going to come back to explain how Father is not necessarily the ONLY true God, how Jesus is not necessarily a created being. But the question is if only true God does not necessarily mean only true God in the scripture, if Jesus admitting not having knowledge of the hour does not necessarily mean he doesn't know the hour, if first born of creation does not mean he is a created being. what should we trust in that scripture? What exactly can we take as fact?

SIRTee15:
I personally believe the main argument btw muslims and christians should be 'why is Jesus The Messiah?' This is more important than trinity. The underlying theology behind Jesus as the Messiah is what set christianity apart from other faith system.

From Islamic perspective, trinity is majorly what set us apart and I believe it is the same from Jewish perspective, in as much as we Muslims don't believe in vicarious atonement believing in that is not what condemn Christianity from our perspective, it is associating partners with God.

SIRTee15:
and FYI, the targum was compiled by Ezra and the 120 men of the great assemblies when they also compiled the Torah. This was during the persian period. targum has no link with any hellenistic age.

Nehemiah 8
7 The Levites—Jeshua, Bani, Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodiah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, and Pelaiah—then instructed the people in the Law while everyone remained in their places. 8 They read from the Book of the Law of God and translated clearly [in aramaic] and explained the meaning of what was being read [midrash], helping the people understand each passage.

Targum is the aramaic translation of the hebrew bible with exegesis inclusion called midrash in hebrew. It was necessary because the post exilic jews had lost their native hebrew tongue, majority could only speak aramaic.

And there were prophets in the Land when targum was compiled- Zechariah, Haggai, Malachi

Those 2nd temple prophets(Haggai, Zachariah, Malachi) lived during late exilic/very early 2nd temple period around 6th/5th century BCE, so for a very long time after that there were no prophets
What Ezra did was translation he was not the compiler of the various Targum that developed later.

SIRTee15:
I dont need targum to validate my belief. the bible is sufficient. But we bring it to show u that our core theology is not made up. Its not something Paul conjured in his room or hallucinated into existence. the gospel writers were not fabricating theologies. the targum is a proof of that.
When John was writing the 1st chapter of his gospel, he had this in mind from the targum.....

Trust me your core theology is made up, just like the theology of 2 powers in heaven and it's not a coincidence that both theologies were born and nurture in Greeko Roman world. we can see how the trinity doctrine developed over the first 3 centuries and don't come here with early church fathers believed Jesus is God, the question is 'Jesus is God in what sense?' Because I'll say they are all subordinationist at best just like Paul and the canonical gospels writers.

It will be disingenuous on my part to say the Jesus we have in the new testament is just a human prophet like the Jesus in Islam, Jesus of the new testament is a created being that has been pre existing before coming into this world. If we are to follow what we have in the new testament, what we are going to have in our hands is 2 Gods; the bigger God the father and the small god Jesus because that is the belief of Paul and the canonical gospels writers hence "Father is greater than I", "I can of myself do nothing", "Father is the only true God" "Only Father with the knowledge of the hour and not the son"... and all those sayings that depicts Jesus as been surbodinate to the father. All those ontological equality, hypostatic union, are just reactions to deal with the contradiction of the 2 Gods of the NT and how God is described in the tanakh.

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:44am On Jan 14

Antiislaam:
Sule, ijaya Libya

😀Libya pagan lol

See your agbako religion . Sioor tuehh

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:46am On Jan 14

IslamVIRGINS:
Louder alagbakoo boy

That your evil Pauline spiritual must feel it 🤣

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJekjOss6sU?si=ogAT2Gu0-wM46WBP

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:47am On Jan 14

IslamVIRGINS:
You must not be tired!

Your Medicine is daily for sure .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYmsXSKkGPw?si=3aoQCLL4VpvDQ8jq

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:50am On Jan 14

IslamVIRGINS:
You can do more better!

Oya listen :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tguOPxQLpCs?si=uZ8UFwe3-qi_yIlA

You think casting Pauline spirit take a single day , no nah ; it will surely work on you . Relax 🥷🤣

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:52am On Jan 14

IslamVIRGINS:
Repeat this over and over again!

Preaching …

🤣Now that you can’t defend your fake religion again , you need to repent o

In case you are ready , repeat after me :

I bear witness that there is no other god except Allah and Muhammad is the last messenger of GOD

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:56am On Jan 14

AntiisIam:
Don't start wetin you won't finish again ooo

Ahaaa pagan is talking

I repeat , your god was created by my own God.

No be your god they nailed on the wood ahaaa

Your god is powerless . Argue with your android phone nah 🤣

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 11:11am On Jan 14

doffman:
Ahaaa pagan is talking

I repeat , your god was created by my own God.

No be your god they nailed on the wood ahaaa

Your god is powerless . Argue with your android phone nah 🤣

Ahahahaha

No forget say na inside kaaba your dis tin dey and dat is why you muat face that direction while praying, bow for it, circumbulating it, etc na your dis tin was created. My God is divine and Holy, you can't create anything divine and Holy

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 11:25am On Jan 14

doffman:
😀Libya pagan lol

See your agbako religion . Sioor tuehh

Bobo Sule

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 12:20pm On Jan 14

doffman:
Preaching …

🤣Now that you can’t defend your fake religion again , you need to repent o

In case you are ready , repeat after me :

I bear witness that there is no other god except Allah and Muhammad is the last messenger of GOD

I love this your repeatition mode!

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 12:20pm On Jan 14

doffman:
Oya listen :

https://youtu

You think casting Pauline spirit take a single day , no nah ; it will surely work on you . Relax 🥷🤣

Come again boy!

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 12:22pm On Jan 14

doffman:
Your Medicine is daily for sure .

https://youtu.be/TYmq

Agbakoo boy, what are you waiting for, come again

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 12:23pm On Jan 14

doffman:
That your evil Pauline spiritual must feel it 🤣

https://youtu.be/bJekjOss6P

Take 🎤 increase the volume!

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:14am On Jan 15

IslamVIRGINS:
Take 🎤 increase the volume!

Why are you editing the link I sent you ahhhaaa . It is hitting you well 🤣

Oya listen and don’t edit the link o as oyvudxwirking on you already ahaaa;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tguOPxQLpCs?si=uZ8UFwe3-qi_yIlA

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:16am On Jan 15

IslamVIRGINS:
Come again boy!

Take your medicine 💊

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWpWoOtsBY?si=fE_cucuZGZBdMUnR

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:18am On Jan 15

IslamVIRGINS:
Agbakoo boy, what are you waiting for, come again

My agbako student , sorry enn

You will receive this medicine 💊 till eternity 🤣

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWdsNZwOGEc?si=0tB1vZFqz1ENAWNN

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:20am On Jan 15

[quote author=IslamVIRGINS post=138131000][/quote]Why are you crying nah .

This is your fellow lady that abandon your Paulinah religion. 😆

You and that lady , the difference is clear chai

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:23am On Jan 15

AntiisIam:
Ahahahaha

No forget say na inside kaaba your dis tin dey and dat is why you muat face that direction while praying, bow for it, circumbulating it, etc na your dis tin was created. My God is divine and Holy, you can't create anything divine and Holy

Just Dey here do your master pay per post and see people abandon your religion and go to Makkah . Lobatan

This is jcuppy ex boyfriend o . 👍

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 9:25am On Jan 15

AntiisIam:
Bobo Sule

So you have tired of your lying pics . Repetition remain 🤣🤣🤣.

See your agbako religion

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 10:19am On Jan 15

doffman:
So you have tired of your lying pics . Repetition remain 🤣🤣🤣.

See your agbako religion

Repeatition master calling something repeatition

Sule, I never reach 200 and still going to 5k

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by AntiisIam(m): 10:20am On Jan 15

doffman:
Just Dey here do your master pay per post and see people abandon your religion and go to Makkah . Lobatan

This is jcuppy ex boyfriend o . 👍

Sule, shey you no why Iran is on fire?

Na because of that Hadith I show you before, shey make I repost am for you nii Omi eran?

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 10:32am On Jan 15

doffman:
Why are you crying nah .

This is your fellow lady that abandon your Paulinah religion. 😆

You and that lady , the difference is clear chai

Can you come again?

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 10:32am On Jan 15

doffman:
My agbako student , sorry enn

You will receive this medicine 💊 till eternity 🤣

https://youtu

You must not be tired 😩😴

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 10:33am On Jan 15

doffman:
Why are you editing the link I sent you ahhhaaa . It is hitting you well 🤣

Oya listen and don’t edit the link o as oyvudxwirking on you already ahaaa;

https://www.youtube.comA

Can't hear you, volume please

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by IslamVIRGINS(f): 10:36am On Jan 15

doffman:
Why are you crying nah .

This is your fellow lady that abandon your Paulinah religion. 😆

You and that lady , the difference is clear chai

You must not get tired, how many times have you repeated this?

Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by doffman: 10:07am On Jan 16

AntiisIam:
Repeatition master calling something repeatition

Sule, I never reach 200 and still going to 5k

🤣🤣 stop crying nah .

Lobatan , your religion na agabako one ahaa

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