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Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQQ: 8:17am On Jan 16
MaxInDHouse:
Funny Churchian!😃
Ọmọ we still shun unrepentant ones in our midst in fact one was announced last week. So if you don't understand what we practice just humbly ask we will never ever abandon what Jesus taught us!🙂
Be careful, they don't call it shunning anymore.😆
(See below).
They have now also allowed you to toast and ladies can now wear trousers!
It will be funny the day the scales finally fall of your eyes but pride won't let you admit it.😁

Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQQ: 8:34am On Jan 16
MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what i told you here but you just want to argue unnecessarily!😂
Yet you keep ARGUING. Someone who has admitted not having a holistic, big-picture view of things ought not engage in arguments!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:05am On Jan 16
QuinQQ:
Be careful, they don't call it shunning anymore.😆
(See below).
They have now also allowed you to toast and ladies can now wear trousers!
It will be funny the day the scales finally fall of your eyes but pride won't let you admit it.😁
Beating about the bush!😂
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:06am On Jan 16
QuinQQ:
Yet you keep ARGUING. Someone who has admitted not having a holistic, big-picture view of things ought not engage in arguments!
Not arguing aimlessly but sticking to what i told you from the onset so talk to your people they are ready to discuss on all other sections except Max!🙂
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQQ: 11:36am On Jan 16
MaxInDHouse:
Not arguing aimlessly but sticking to what i told you from the onset so talk to your people they are ready to discuss on all other sections except Max!🙂
You admittedly don't have the broad, holistic, big-picture view that's required in arguments, so why keep getting involved in arguments??!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:49pm On Jan 16
QuinQQ:
You admittedly don't have the broad, holistic, big-picture view that's required in arguments, so why keep getting involved in arguments??!
Whatever rocks your boat my guy, all i'm saying is Max only participate in discussions (not arguments) on matters involving FAITH!🙂
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 11:33pm On Jan 16
MaxInDHouse:
Whatever rocks your boat my guy, all i'm saying is Max only participate in discussions (not arguments) on matters involving FAITH!🙂
Quit all the arguing then, as your perspective is too narrow for arguments. State your piece and rest - find another way to "entertain" yourself!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:47pm On Jan 16
QuinQ:
Quit all the arguing then, as your perspective is too narrow for arguments. State your piece and rest - find another way to "entertain" yourself!
Below is my 54,002 posts on this forum and all is here in the faith section!🙂

So i never intended to argue with anyone it's you that's feeling bad because i choose not to leave the section where faith alone matters.

Here is my response to your post again!smiley

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sorry if it's not about faith you can't find me there that's why you won't see my post on any other section except on RELIGION! smiley
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 12:04am On Jan 17
MaxInDHouse:
Below is my 54,002 posts on this forum and all is here in the faith section!🙂

So i never intended to argue with anyone it's you that's feeling bad because i choose not to leave the section where faith alone matters.

Here is my response to your post again!smiley
You gotta be kidding. Feeling bad about what?? Just advising u to state your piece then find something else to do with your life, as you don't have the broad perspective required for arguments!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:49am On Jan 17
I'm sorry to disappoint you once again from the moment i accepted Christ as my Master Lord and King the rest of my life is all about faith in Christ:

Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it" Matthew 16:24-25

So i've chosen this life and sold all other things just to keep it this way! Matthew 13:45-46 🙂

QuinQ:
You gotta be kidding. Feeling bad about what?? Just advising u to state your piece then find something else to do with your life, as you don't have the broad perspective required for arguments!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ:
MaxInDHouse:
I'm sorry to disappoint you once again from the moment i accepted Christ as my Master Lord and King the rest of my life is all about faith in Christ:

Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it" Matthew 16:24-25

So i've chosen this life and sold all other things just to keep it this way! Matthew 13:45-46 🙂
What has this to do with stopping arguing because you don't have holistic view of things that it requires - exactly as 2 Timothy says?
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:35pm On Jan 17
QuinQ:
What has this to do with stopping arguing because you don't have holistic view of things that it requires - exactly as 2 Timothy says?
Only matters having to do with faith can make me talk to you and nothing else!🙂
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 3:44pm On Jan 17
MaxInDHouse:
Only matters having to do with faith can make me talk to you and nothing else!🙂
You don't have the broad perspective required for arguments, period. So just state your view and rest. Stop dragging things like wether war is necessary because by definition, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:40pm On Jan 17
QuinQ:
You don't have the broad perspective required for arguments, period. So just state your view and rest. Stop dragging things like wether war is necessary because by definition, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW!
Many on this forum commends me when it comes to biblical discussions (not arguments) so forget about arguing because that's not why i'm here.
So whatever you conclude is your own personal opinion i'm ok with that one thing i will continue to tell you is i only engage outsiders when it's involving FAITH!🙂
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 4:58pm On Jan 17
MaxInDHouse:
Many on this forum commends me when it comes to biblical discussions (not arguments) so forget about arguing because that's not why i'm here.
So whatever you conclude is your own personal opinion i'm ok with that one thing i will continue to tell you is i only engage outsiders when it's involving FAITH!🙂
What You're doing right now is called ARGUING, which you don't know enough to be doing. So just state your piece and rest!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:04pm On Jan 17
QuinQ:
What You're doing right now is called ARGUING, which you don't know enough to be doing. So just state your piece and rest!
You are the one ARGUING because i've stated my position on your request but you just don't want to agree that it's not everyone that should join you in what you choose to do!🙂
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 5:07pm On Jan 17
MaxInDHouse:
You are the one ARGUING because i've stated my position on your request but you just don't want to agree that it's not everyone that should join you in what you choose to do!🙂
You are arguing that obvious arguing is not arguing!
State your piece then STOP RESPONDING!!!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:22pm On Jan 17
This is what you can never ever command a JW to do.
You can't tell me not to respond when you keep on typing and trying to imply what is unacceptable.
I told you i'm not interested in topics outside faith on this forum and you are trying to say it's wrong.
That's what i will never ever accept from you or anyone else.
I have the right to choose whatever i want just as you too have the right to choose!🙂

QuinQ:
STOP RESPONDING!!!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 5:33pm On Jan 17
MaxInDHouse:
This is what you can never ever command a JW to do.
You can't tell me not to respond when you keep on typing and trying to imply what is unacceptable.
I told you i'm not interested in topics outside faith on this forum and you are trying to say it's wrong.
That's what i will never ever accept from you or anyone else.
I have the right to choose whatever i want just as you too have the right to choose!🙂
So stop saying you're not arguing because YOU ARE!!! Very much so, and you admittedly don't have the broad view of things to do it!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:45pm On Jan 17
Definitely you don't know the meaning of that word "ARGUMENT" i stated what i wouldn't do and instead of agreeing you are arguing that i am wrong.
That's why i told you if you say Jesus is wrong it's OK because Jesus is my mentor on that note!🙂

QuinQ:
So stop saying you're not arguing because YOU ARE!!! Very much so, and you admittedly don't have the broad view of things to do it!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 6:45pm On Jan 17
MaxInDHouse:
Definitely you don't know the meaning of that word "ARGUMENT" i stated what i wouldn't do and instead of agreeing you are arguing that i am wrong.
That's why i told you if you say Jesus is wrong it's OK because Jesus is my mentor on that note!🙂
What you're doing is called ARGUING (disagreeing back and forth). The opposite of that is walk away or agree with the plaintiff!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:53pm On Jan 17
Ọmọ nah you dey argue i just dey tell you my mind nah you no wan mek the matter rest!

QuinQ:
What you're doing is called ARGUING (disagreeing back and forth). The opposite of that is walk away or agree with the plaintiff!
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by QuinQ: 7:57pm On Jan 17
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ nah you dey argue i just dey tell you my mind nah you no wan mek the matter rest!
😅😂🤣
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by sonmvayina(op): 5:29pm On Jan 18
tctrills:
But you can say the same for Callisthenes of Olynthus: Alexander's official campaign historian. Alexander the great is probably a work of friction according to your logic.
Ptolemy I Soter, Nearchus, Aristobulus of Cassandreia, Onesicritus, and all the others who penned down theworks of Alexander the Great could be seen as made up by your standards.

The same goes for Pharaoh Narmer; you can consider him and all we know about him to be fiction.

How about Qin Shi Huang, don't you think he is the voldermont of China? Why should anyone believe that he or the historians who wrote about him are real?

Please show that the 3 historical examples above are not creations of friction. I want to see your logic here
it is rude to answer a question with a question.

please, The apostles are characters in the same story book. if not why did no one else mentions them?
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by sonmvayina(op): 6:07pm On Jan 18
so Max and his new found buddy, are we in agreement that Jesus life is not included in real academic history books because he never existed, it is only a matter of faith, if you choose to believe him.

Christianity as a religion started as the worship of serapis and Inanna, as the worshippers of serapis where called Christians. This religion originated in Egypt and moved eastwards towards Rome.
The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk. Marduk is supposed to be Jesus, but he was never a man on earth. He is the son of Enki, according to the Enuma Elish, He is the creator of the universe.
The prayer known as "our father" was initially to Thoth(Enki).
At the council of nicaea, some people said he was God, some said he was man...Athanasius stood up and said he was both God and man. A human history had to be forged for him, probably by Eusebius...and the brain washing started.


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Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by tctrills: 8:29pm On Jan 18
sonmvayina:
it is rude to answer a question with a question.

please, The apostles are characters in the same story book. if not why did no one else mentions them?
Could you answer the exact same question for 99% of ancient historians? Why are you creating a different standard for the Apostles.

Again, you are wrong about the Apostles. The new testament is a collection of independent books so most of the apostles were mentioned by at least 4 independent writers which most ancient historians can't boast of.

How many ancient historians wrote about Josephus? Peter on the other hand had at least 5 independent historians write about him.
Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all wrote about him.

So how is Josephus a more authentic historical figure?
I believe I have answered your question now can you please answer the question I posted in my earlier post?
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by sonmvayina(op): 7:31pm On Jan 23
tctrills:
Could you answer the exact same question for 99% of ancient historians? Why are you creating a different standard for the Apostles.

Again, you are wrong about the Apostles. The new testament is a collection of independent books so most of the apostles were mentioned by at least 4 independent writers which most ancient historians can't boast of.

How many ancient historians wrote about Josephus? Peter on the other hand had at least 5 independent historians write about him.
Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all wrote about him.

So how is Josephus a more authentic historical figure?
I believe I have answered your question now can you please answer the question I posted in my earlier post?
Nobody is asking me to give my life to them. or if I don't I will end up in hell.
None of their writing is based on faith. Only the authors of the gospels are talking about faith.
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by tctrills: 1:02am On Jan 24
sonmvayina:
Nobody is asking me to give my life to them. or if I don't I will end up in hell.
None of their writing is based on faith. Only the authors of the gospels are talking about faith.
You seem super confused.
Your only issue with the bible writers is faith?
I gave you a list of non faith historian could you please explain how any of them is more authentic than the writers of the new testament or why you have to believe them and doubt the writers of the new testament?

And why do you have a problem with someone trying to save you from hell?
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by sonmvayina(op): 2:00pm On Feb 04
tctrills:
You seem super confused.
Your only issue with the bible writers is faith?
I gave you a list of non faith historian could you please explain how any of them is more authentic than the writers of the new testament or why you have to believe them and doubt the writers of the new testament?

And why do you have a problem with someone trying to save you from hell?
First and foremost, Hell is a Christian creation..
there is no mention of it in the Tanakh.
like I said in a thread today, I am a divine being just having a human experience. what do I need to be saved from?? when I expire, My spirit returns to God who owns it and my body is buried for it to return to the earth.
so, I wonder who send Jesus or whose father he is. when I know the stories are all made up from Greek philosophy .
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by tctrills: 7:39pm On Feb 04
sonmvayina:
First and foremost, Hell is a Christian creation..
there is no mention of it in the Tanakh.
like I said in a thread today, I am a divine being just having a human experience. what do I need to be saved from?? when I expire, My spirit returns to God who owns it and my body is buried for it to return to the earth.
so, I wonder who send Jesus or whose father he is. when I know the stories are all made up from Greek philosophy .
Oga, you are deviating from the topic. Let's go back and compare ancient historians to biblical historians instead of jumping from history to philosophy. I asked you questions that you are running away from.
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by sonmvayina(op): 3:39pm On Feb 05
tctrills:
Oga, you are deviating from the topic. Let's go back and compare ancient historians to biblical historians instead of jumping from history to philosophy. I asked you questions that you are running away from.
run away from what?
i have already answered you, it is left for you to accept or reject....your choice mate.

I find it hard to discuss with people who are not consistent.
Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by tctrills: 4:29pm On Feb 05
sonmvayina:
run away from what?
i have already answered you, it is left for you to accept or reject....your choice mate.

I find it hard to discuss with people who are not consistent.
Oga I mentioned certain historians and asked you questions about them but you never addressed the issue. Or maybe you did and I am mistaken. Please can you point me to where you addressed my questions?
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