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Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by Flangelo12: 2:34pm On Jan 22
omoredia:
Ok u can. Get toilets for ur community first
We've had toilets at mine for generations.

Perhaps you haven't.

By the way, why must the world conform to western ways?

Next, you'll say we should be doing mass shootings everyday.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by Flangelo12: 2:42pm On Jan 22
omoredia:
Ok u can. Get toilets for ur community first
Indus Valley (2500 BC): Cities like Mohenjo-daro featured brick toilets connected to sewage systems leading to cesspits, notes BBC Bitesize.
Minoans (Crete, ~1700 BC): Had water-flushing toilets, possibly using rooftop reservoirs, at palaces like Knossos, according to BBC Bitesize and Discover Magazine.

Ancient Egypt & Mesopotamia (~3000 BC): Developed early indoor toilets (for the rich) and pits, with some Mesopotamia sites showing the earliest internal pit toilets, say Wikipedia and DW.com.

Romans (800 BC onwards): Built extensive sewer systems and public latrines, communal toilets with multiple seats for socializing, notes BBC Bitesize and History Hit.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by omoredia: 2:50pm On Jan 22
Flangelo12:
Indus Valley (2500 BC): Cities like Mohenjo-daro featured brick toilets connected to sewage systems leading to cesspits, notes BBC Bitesize.
Minoans (Crete, ~1700 BC): Had water-flushing toilets, possibly using rooftop reservoirs, at palaces like Knossos, according to BBC Bitesize and Discover Magazine.

Ancient Egypt & Mesopotamia (~3000 BC): Developed early indoor toilets (for the rich) and pits, with some Mesopotamia sites showing the earliest internal pit toilets, say Wikipedia and DW.com.

Romans (800 BC onwards): Built extensive sewer systems and public latrines, communal toilets with multiple seats for socializing, notes BBC Bitesize and History Hit.
According to bbc. So u still rely on the white man to tell u ur own history?
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by omoredia: 2:50pm On Jan 22
Flangelo12:
We've had toilets at mine for generations.

Perhaps you haven't.

By the way, why must the world conform to western ways?

Next, you'll say we should be doing mass shootings everyday.
U are a joker.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by 2RightHands1Coc(m): 2:50pm On Jan 22
Like a Nigerian Adage says, I get am before no be property. Wake up and smell the Coffee
Kemetian:
Trump is a complete dunce.

HE KNOWS NOTHING BUT HATE AND RACISM.

HE claims Somalia has never had "a functional society" because he is an illiterate of history who doesn't know that Somalia was the ancient Land of Punt, one of the richest and most successful kingdoms of the ancient world.

A Nation of Explorers WHO SAILED TO CHINA AND INDIA IN TRADE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE AMERICA EXISTED, IS WHO THIS EMPTY HEAD IS INSULTING.

Because he's a walking ball of ignorance, hate and racism.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by Flangelo12: 2:56pm On Jan 22
omoredia:
According to bbc. So u still rely on the white man to tell u ur own history?
Which history would you accept?

Give us your heritage history.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by grandstar(m): 3:16pm On Jan 22
As I dislike Trump, she shouldn't have called him an idiot in his first term.

He seems to have been waiting for this day. He is someone with very long memories.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by erniok2: 3:37pm On Jan 22
madridguy:
People like Ilhan Omar wouldn't be a lawmaker in Minnesota if the USA government and other western power didn't plan the removal of Siad Barre's government in Somalia.

Your action led Somalia into civil war and they have to seek for refugee and today they're now taking what belongs to Americans.

In 50 years to come, the Europe will see the real result of what they're causing today.
See talk and stewpid history distortion. Barre that was fighting his own people and was responsible for isaaq massacre. If there was anyone that removed him, it was the soviets as he was no longer their friend.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by naptu2: 3:50pm On Jan 22
madridguy:
People like Ilhan Omar wouldn't be a lawmaker in Minnesota if the USA government and other western power didn't plan the removal of Siad Barre's government in Somalia.

Your action led Somalia into civil war and they have to seek for refugee and today they're now taking what belongs to Americans.

In 50 years to come, the Europe will see the real result of what they're causing today.
erniok2:
See talk and stewpid history distortion. Barre that was fighting his own people and was responsible for isaaq massacre. If there was anyone that removed him, it was the soviets as he was no longer their friend.
Barre was never the friend of the Soviets.

America sponsored Siad Barre and kept him in power against the wishes of his people. Barre was an American puppet.

The Soviet Union sponsored Mengistu and kept him in power against the wishes of his people.


It was America/Barre/Somalia vs Soviet Union/Mengistu/Ethiopia.

The Cold War ended, America stopped sponsoring Barre and the Soviet Union stopped sponsoring Mengistu and both governments collapsed.




naptu2:
Here's a little bit of the intrigues that I referred to in that post.


Video 1. General Siad Barre, President of Somalia, warns the Soviet Union.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pKeQDARkg0


Video 2. The President of Somalia, General Siad Barre, visits United States president, Ronald Reagan, at the White House.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VygRbTniy9k




Video 3. Head of state of Ethiopia, Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam, is welcomed to the Soviet Union by Soviet president and leader of the Communist Party, Leonid Brezhnev.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MupYq43cjfU


Video 4. The head of state of Ethiopia, Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam, accuses the United States and Nato of supporting Somalia in the war.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1drUvIulvWA



naptu2:
Major General Mohammed Siad Barre became the president of Somalia after a military coup in 1969. The US Government supported his government in the late 1970s and 1980s because they saw it as a counterweight to the communist government in Ethiopia (which was backed by the Soviet Union).


Unfortunately Siad Barre's government became increasingly dictatorial, tyrannical and oppressive in the 1980s. He suspected that other ethnic groups were plotting against him so he starved them and denied them water so that they would die of thirst. He also killed many members of his own government because he thought that they were plotting a coup against him.

Naturally, many rebel groups sprung up against him. Some of these groups were supported by the communist government in Ethiopia. The Cold War ended in 1990 and the United States stopped supporting Siad Barre, because they didn't need him anymore (the communist government in Ethiopia was also overthrown). The rebels were marching on the capital, Mogadishu, so Siad Barre fled to Lagos.



I often saw Siad Barre and his people driving around Ikoyi in Federal Government (W126) S Class Mercedes Benz in the early 1990s. It made my friend very angry. "This man destroyed his country and fled to Lagos to live in luxury, while his people suffered", my friend said.

Now, Siad Barre was gone, so you'd expect that peace would break out, right? (Ethiopia and Eritrea experienced peace when the dictator, Mengistu Haile Merriam, was chased away). That's not what happened.



naptu2:
We often talked about it back then, about Lagos and the violent men that started wars, left the masses of their country to suffer and then fled to peaceful Lagos.


General Mohammed Siad Barre was president of Somalia. Instead of developing their countries, he and Mengistu Haile Mariam of Ethiopia engaged in a stupid proxy war, which was also a proxy war for the United States and the Soviet Union. Basically, Somalia sponsored and supported Ethiopian rebels that were attacking the Ethiopian Government (of Mengistu) and Ethiopia sponsored and supported Somali rebels that were attacking the Somali Government. Somalia was also being sponsored and supported by the USA, while Ethiopia was being sponsored and supported by the Soviet Union.


Well things came to a head in 1990. The Somali rebels entered the capital and Siad Barre fled to Lagos. (In 1991 the Ethiopian rebels also entered the Ethiopian capital and Mengistu fled to Zimbabwe).

After Barre left, the rebels decided to kill each other and Somalia has not known peace since then.

Meanwhile, the man that started it all, Siad Barre, was living in luxury in Ikoyi. He and his entourage had access to Federal Government W126
S Class cars and were living it up while their people back home were suffering and dying. They are still suffering and dying 31 years later.





Prince Yormie Johnson helped Charles Taylor to start his civil war in Liberia. Then he fell out with Taylor and set up his own rebel group (INPFL). They cut of Samuel Doe's ear and forced him to eat it before killing him.

Anyway, when the heat became too much, Yormie Johnson fled to Lagos and declared that he had become a born again Christian. The killer had become a pastor in peaceful Lagos. In fact, he famously reconciled with Doe's son at TB Joshua's church.

When the heat reduced in Liberia, Yormie Johnson went back there and became a politician. He fled to Nigeria again when trouble started a second time. He later returned and I believe that he is a member of their National Assembly or something like that.




It appears that Idi Amin was a step too far. He came to Lagos, but the Federal Government refused to even allow him get off the plane. He had to return to Saudi Arabia.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by omoredia: 3:58pm On Jan 22
Flangelo12:
Which history would you accept?

Give us your heritage history.
So the white u say is not superior is the one telling u ur own history. See how u are contradicting yourself
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by Flangelo12: 3:59pm On Jan 22
omoredia:
So the white u say is not superior is the one telling u ur own history. See how u are contradicting yourself
That is the History you would accept.

Why not tell the world about your ancestry?

Seems it is a disgrace and you are carrying on with it.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by SIRTee15: 4:01pm On Jan 22
Flangelo12:
They have never been superior.

Maybe you are inferior to them, though.

Say it.
Personally I don't understand why people from inferior civilization should be allowed to rule over people with a far more superior civilization.

Somalia has nothing to add to america, it has no technology or any cultural value worth emulating.

It's a different ball game if a Chinese or maybe south Indian rules over america. Those guys have proven themselves beyond they have what it takes to build institutions and successful civilisation.

All these wokeism should end. It does nothing for the good of humanity on the long run, it only drags those above to the bottom making everywhere look shithole.

My take is 1st and 2nd generations migrants shouldn't be allowed to hold public office in their adopted homeland. They are too attached to their native land to show any sincere loyalty to their new country.

British Pakistanis sworn in as Mayors in UK council election were seen waving Pakistani flags during induction to their office. Some were known to divert public funds to support elections back home in Pakistan or Bangladesh.

It doesn't work. Trump maybe crude but he's right that Ilhan Omar has no business representing America in Congress.
She once said the main problem of America is Christian white male Americans. Ironically these are the people that made america the most desired place to be.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by Flangelo12: 4:03pm On Jan 22
SIRTee15:
Personally I don't understand why people from inferior civilization should be allowed to rule over people with a far more superior civilization.

Somalia has nothing to add to america, it has no technology or any cultural value worth emulating.

It's a different ball game if a Chinese or maybe south Indian rules over america. Those guys have proven themselves beyond they have what it takes to build institutions and successful civilisation.

All these wokeism should end. It does nothing for the good of humanity on the long run, it only drags those above to the bottom making everywhere look shithole.

My take is 1st and 2nd generations migrants shouldn't be allowed to hold public office in their adopted homeland. They are too attached to their native land to show any sincere loyalty to their new country.

British Pakistanis sworn in as Mayors in UK council election were seen waving Pakistani flags during induction to their office. Some were known to divert public funds to support elections back home in Pakistan or Bangladesh.

It doesn't work. Trump maybe crude but he's right that Ilhan Omar has no business representing America in Congress.
She once said the main problem of America is Christian white male Americans. Ironically these are the people that made america the most desired place to be.
Trunp does not speak for her constituents who have returned her 4 times.

He's only jealous.

Next, you would say mixed-race like Obama should never rule.

When that ends, you'll say those whose ancestors were enslaved should not rule.

You see how inane you sound?
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by omoredia: 4:22pm On Jan 22
Flangelo12:
That is the History you would accept.

Why not tell the world about your ancestry?

Seems it is a disgrace and you are carrying on with it.
I am telling u? Will the white man come to ur media to get knowledge about his history. U can see ur education is a total waste
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by fxexperts: 4:25pm On Jan 22
Gotocourt:
Hope you know the Europeans are temperamental and violent more than the Arabs. They can expel any set of imported ideology or race🤷🏿.
Oga you really do not know what you are talking about. Those Arabs has really dealth with Africans, they have colonized their mentality and made them like zombies. Africans have been damaged beyond repair and redemption. for us to get back on our feet. first we have to ban these two religion. Christainity and Islam. They are a tool used to enslave the black man.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by kedeojo(m): 4:35pm On Jan 22
Orlandoo:
Support Trump fully because it is the same thing you guys tell Igbos, Not to be involved in Lagos politics. How can someone come from Somalia and be dictating to Americans how to govern themselves.
you lack proper education. so you think anybody can be a congresswoman. she is an American citizen like trump who originally from Somallia and like trump from Germany too.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by kedeojo(m): 4:38pm On Jan 22
Orlandoo:
Support Trump fully because it is the same thing you guys tell Igbos, Not to be involved in Lagos politics. How can someone come from Somalia and be dictating to Americans how to govern themselves.
you lack proper education. so you think anybody can be a congresswoman. she is an American citizen like trump who originally from Somallia and like trump from Germany too. your igbo comparison is off key. Lagos state is south west and not south east. you guys don't have the right constitutionally to pokenose on Lagos political affairs. education is truly not a scam.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by SIRTee15: 4:46pm On Jan 22
Flangelo12:
Trunp does not speak for her constituents who have returned her 4 times.

He's only jealous.

Next, you would say mixed-race like Obama should never rule.

When that ends, you'll say those whose ancestors were enslaved should not rule.

You see how inane you sound?
Using Obama as example shows how illogical u sound. Obama's mum is white. The parent who raised Obama is white, Obama grew up in his white grandparents household. He has no cultural attachment to Kenya in anyway.
Compare that to Ilhan Omar who address her constituent in Somali language, reprimands her Somali people for acting as informants to federal authorities.

If u think above is ok, Something must be definitely wrong with u.

Ilan Omar is in federal Congress. She is making laws for America as a citizen from Minnesota. Laws she votes for are not only implemented in her district but the whole of America. If she wants to make laws only for her people, then she should contest for Minnesota State Congress or local mayor election.

Funny is that why that Lagos boy was rejected in last Lagos State gubernatorial election. He was accused of not identifying with his Yoruba root. Compare that to Adeleke of oshun who also has igbo mum and even speaks igbo fluently but has no issue winning elections in a core Yoruba state because he identifies with his elect
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by erniok2: 4:54pm On Jan 22
naptu2:
Barre was never the friend of the Soviets.

America sponsored Siad Barre and kept him in power against the wishes of his people. Barre was an American puppet.

The Soviet Union sponsored Mengistu and kept him in power against the wishes of his people.


It was America/Barre/Somalia vs Soviet Union/Mengistu/Ethiopia.

The Cold War ended, America stopped sponsoring Barre and the Soviet Union stopped sponsoring Mengistu and both governments collapsed.










What I read about him was he started with the Sovietsand had 3ven some soviet advisors that he sent out.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by Flangelo12: 5:01pm On Jan 22
SIRTee15:
Using Obama as example shows how illogical u sound. Obama's mum is white. The parent who raised Obama is white, Obama grew up in his white grandparents household. He has no cultural attachment to Kenya in anyway.
Compare that to Ilhan Omar who address her constituent in Somali language, reprimands her Somali people for acting as informants to federal authorities.

If u think above is ok, Something must be definitely wrong with u.

Ilan Omar is in federal Congress. She is making laws for America as a citizen from Minnesota. Laws she votes for are not only implemented in her district but the whole of America. If she wants to make laws only for her people, then she should contest for Minnesota State Congress or local mayor election.

Funny is that why that Lagos boy was rejected in last Lagos State gubernatorial election. He was accused of not identifying with his Yoruba root. Compare that to Adeleke of oshun who also has igbo mum and even speaks igbo fluently but has no issue winning elections in a core Yoruba state because he identifies with his elect
She's so bad but her constituents, those that vote have returned her 4 times.
Perhaps you know better than them.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by justjify(m): 5:37pm On Jan 22
Glare247:
With all this ,do u know how many americans die of gun violence daily ? Trump is just a slowpoke looking to create more issues in the world , America is bleeding under his nose ,he is loosing support vase daily
If we’re talking facts: about 46,000 Americans die from gun‑related injuries every year in the U.S., which averages to roughly 125 deaths per day from guns.

By contrast, Nigeria had an estimated 2.7 million total deaths from all causes in 2024 (including sickness, accidents, natural causes, violence, etc.).

So ask yourself this: which country is truly bleeding?
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by DemonSlayer: 9:16pm On Jan 22
madridguy:
People like Ilhan Omar wouldn't be a lawmaker in Minnesota if the USA government and other western power didn't plan the removal of Siad Barre's government in Somalia.

Your action led Somalia into civil war and they have to seek for refugee and today they're now taking what belongs to Americans.

In 50 years to come, the Europe will see the real result of what they're causing today.
What are you saying? Barre was their guy! He oversaw the massacre of tens of thousands of his own people, destroying their homes and displacing hundreds of thousands.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by poweredcom(m): 9:45pm On Jan 22
Mirasteel:
There's nothing as fake American, she's an American as far she's a legal citizen .
You can't be more American than a whyte American take that from me you are a third class citizen and can be kicked out once u r not born in America ....that where dem go take hold u for work
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by FatimaAbubakar(f): 1:22am On Jan 23
Kemetian:
Trump is a complete dunce.

HE KNOWS NOTHING BUT HATE AND RACISM.

HE claims Somalia has never had "a functional society" because he is an illiterate of history who doesn't know that Somalia was the ancient Land of Punt, one of the richest and most successful kingdoms of the ancient world.

A Nation of Explorers WHO SAILED TO CHINA AND INDIA IN TRADE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE AMERICA EXISTED, IS WHO THIS EMPTY HEAD IS INSULTING.

Because he's a walking ball of ignorance, hate and racism.
Who be dis one? Who knows you? Dem dey call names of meat for pot, periwinkle still dey raise hand.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by Difrent: 3:45am On Jan 23
madridguy:
In 50 years to come, the Europe will see the real result of what they're causing today.
UK don dey see am already
The Mayor of London is of Pakistani origin
Rishi Sunak of Indian Origin was Prime minister not too long ago
Don't be surprised in Future where you have a Prime minister of Chinese origin
And a Chancellor of the exchequer of Indian Origin
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by Difrent: 3:47am On Jan 23
Orlandoo:
Support Trump fully because it is the same thing you guys tell Igbos, Not to be involved in Lagos politics. How can someone come from Somalia and be dictating to Americans how to govern themselves.
If Americans didn't go to her country to be playing Imperial games she won't seek refuge in America
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by Difrent: 3:50am On Jan 23
erniok2:
See talk and stewpid history distortion. Barre that was fighting his own people and was responsible for isaaq massacre. If there was anyone that removed him, it was the soviets as he was no longer their friend.
The Russians stepped in when CIA failed

The movie black hawk down is about how America lost its black hawk helicopter in the failed mission
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by erniok2: 5:56am On Jan 23
Difrent:
The Russians stepped in when CIA failed

The movie black hawk down is about how America lost its black hawk helicopter in the failed mission
We are talking about the 70's not 90's.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by decasey(m): 6:23am On Jan 23
Flangelo12:
What atrocities are they committing?

Have you been to US in your life?
you foul , thunda fire you there . This how you people support evil
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by Flangelo12: 6:50am On Jan 23
decasey:
you foul , thunda fire you there . This how you people support evil
Local champion.
Re: Trump Calls Somalia Failed Non-nation With No Govt Or Police, Threatens Ilhan Om by Mccullum: 9:50am On Jan 23
Kemetian:
Trump is a complete dunce.

HE KNOWS NOTHING BUT HATE AND RACISM.

HE claims Somalia has never had "a functional society" because he is an illiterate of history who doesn't know that Somalia was the ancient Land of Punt, one of the richest and most successful kingdoms of the ancient world.

A Nation of Explorers WHO SAILED TO CHINA AND INDIA IN TRADE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE AMERICA EXISTED, IS WHO THIS EMPTY HEAD IS INSULTING.

Because he's a walking ball of ignorance, hate and racism.
The punt are Egyptian Kingdom, the ancient Kingdom that existed in Somalia was Ajuran Sultanate, which was a Muslim empire, The Ajuran are believed to be the first Africans to have contact with China.
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