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tctrills:
So you disagree with your bible, are you deluded or not? Remember, we are going by your rules.
Let me give you one more,
In the Old Testament, we are told that God is the only rock of Israel, right?
Isaiah 44:8
“Is there a God besides Me? There is no other Rock; I know not one.
Now lets see who that God is,
In the New Testament, we learn that the Rock is Christ
1 Corinthians 10:4
And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ

Again, we are told that we should not worship any other God but the God of the Old Testament, right?
Now check this out,

Matthew 14:33

Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matthew 28:9

And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Matthew 28:17

And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Hebrews 1:6

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Revelation 5:12–14
Verse 12

Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Verse 13

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Verse 14

And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

No. You are deluded not to know that the John 1:1 you quoted is talking about two Gods.

John 1:1 NKJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1. The word with God (the is with another God, not himself)

2. The word was God. (This is for the word)

It is not everywhere you see the word "God" you think it is talking about one person. This how you misinterpret the scripture by dodging somethings and you think it is not delusion.

I told you to wait until I reply you. Your beliefs is even the worst.

DeepSight:
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Joker.

Yes jester, you are here to amuse me so......
Dance jester dance.

I am the organ grinder you are the......

Boomark:
No. You are deluded not to know that the John 1:1 you quoted is talking about two Gods.

John 1:1 NKJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1. The word with God (the is with another God, not himself)

2. The word was God. (This is for the word)

It is not everywhere you see the word "God" you think it is talking about one person. This how you misinterpret the scripture by dodging somethings and you think it is not delusion.

I told you to wait until I reply you. Your beliefs is even the worst.

Check those i left for you. Proof that your nonsense

Bride price = married = lie

LordReed:
It's not my words, it is REALITY. Your god isn't real so it can't be used to do any testing.

Just say you don't understand the difference between can't and didn't.

Your reality is a useless reality.

You are deluded because you can't, didn't, and never had any encounter with God through prayers.

My teaching is for Christians alone. If you can't counter what I wrote with the scripture, then this place is not for you.

Boomark:
No. You are deluded not to know that the John 1:1 you quoted is talking about two Gods.

John 1:1 NKJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1. The word with God (the is with another God, not himself)

2. The word was God. (This is for the word)

It is not everywhere you see the word "God" you think it is talking about one person. This how you misinterpret the scripture by dodging somethings and you think it is not delusion.

I told you to wait until I reply you. Your beliefs is even the worst.

So what exactly is your point here?
I never talked about the number of Gods, so why are you bringing it up?
Again, are you saying that you worship 2 Gods? Are you into polytheism?
And if you worship one God, who is the God you worship?

Fenrir:
Check those i left for you. Proof that your nonsense

Bride price = married = lie

What you wrote is nonsense.

Go and practice it, then you will confirm that you are doing nonsense on your own.

Every tribe in Nigeria have their tradition which is different from others. All their traditions cannot be contained in the constitution.

If I am talking about what Christians should follow as it is written in the bible and you go out to bring anything from outside, then you are deluded. Look into your bible and give me answers.

tctrills:
So what exactly is your point here?
I never talked about the number of Gods, so why are you bringing it up?
Again, are you saying that you worship 2 Gods? Are you into polytheism?
And if you worship one God, who is the God you worship?

😂 the Christian god made jealousy a sin yet freely admits in the Bible that hes a jealousy god and will send you to hell if you worship a different god even putting it in his 10 commandments

Boomark:
What you wrote is nonsense.

Go and practice it, then you will confirm that you are doing nonsense on your own.

Every tribe in Nigeria have their tradition which is different from others. All their traditions cannot be contained in the constitution.

If I am talking about what Christians should follow as it is written in the bible and you go out to bring anything from outside, then you are deluded. Look into your bible and give me answers.

See the Criminal attitude? Everything there can be verified and I have sent families to prison for it

Culture is not mandatory by definition

Boomark:
What you wrote is nonsense.

Go and practice it, then you will confirm that you are doing nonsense on your own.

Every tribe in Nigeria have their tradition which is different from others. All their traditions cannot be contained in the constitution.

If I am talking about what Christians should follow as it is written in the bible and you go out to bring anything from outside, then you are deluded. Look into your bible and give me answers.

I married a yoruba woman and did no traditions
And paid no bride price
Did no introduction

How was that possible if your nonsense were true?

She died of cancer and I did the exact same thing to marry igbo

Again how is that possible if your nonsense were true? Id be in prison if your nonsense was true.

Human rights and federal law matter everything else is a couple choice, criminal.

Fenrir:
😂 the Christian god made jealousy a sin yet freely admits in the Bible that hes a jealousy god and will send you to hell if you worship a different god even putting it in his 10 commandments

Ok

Boomark:
What you wrote is nonsense.

Go and practice it, then you will confirm that you are doing nonsense on your own.

Every tribe in Nigeria have their tradition which is different from others. All their traditions cannot be contained in the constitution.

If I am talking about what Christians should follow as it is written in the bible and you go out to bring anything from outside, then you are deluded. Look into your bible and give me answers.

Even this topic you posted is clear signs of self delusion.

Boomark:
What you wrote is nonsense.

Go and practice it, then you will confirm that you are doing nonsense on your own.

Every tribe in Nigeria have their tradition which is different from others. All their traditions cannot be contained in the constitution.

If I am talking about what Christians should follow as it is written in the bible and you go out to bring anything from outside, then you are deluded. Look into your bible and give me answers.

Simple logic.....

If a religion or culture say "a husband may beat his wife"

But the law says "domestic violence is a crime"

What takes priority?

The religion/culture?

Or

THE LAW THAT CAN LOCK HIM UP!!

Boomark:
What you wrote is nonsense.

Go and practice it, then you will confirm that you are doing nonsense on your own.

Every tribe in Nigeria have their tradition which is different from others. All their traditions cannot be contained in the constitution.

If I am talking about what Christians should follow as it is written in the bible and you go out to bring anything from outside, then you are deluded. Look into your bible and give me answers.

And even this PROVES you are not Christian because Christianity preaches free will whereas you want to FORCE man made cultural traditions illegally and place them above the religion

Boomark:
Your reality is a useless reality.

You are deluded because you can't, didn't, and never had any encounter with God through prayers.

My teaching is for Christians alone. If you can't counter what I wrote with the scripture, then this place is not for you.

Bwahahahahahaha! It's the same reality we both inhabit, though you choose to believe in Jewish myths and whatnot.

All you need to do is demonstrate that your prayer can invoke your god. I bet you won't take the challenge though. LoLz.

Ok so why did you mention me then?

tctrills:
You have your chance to show evidence. If you have nothing to show, we would not take you seriously.

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I have addressed this many times on this forum and here are the verses I have repeatedly cited. cc FxMasterz

D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “


D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"


D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”


D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”


D8 - John 15:1 – 10:“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 “By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. 9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."


D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D16 - Matt 21:33 – 42 “33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 “Now when vintage–time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 “And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.

36 “Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 “Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 “But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 “So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’

(The Parable of the Vineyard)


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”


D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].


D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].


D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."

DeepSight:
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I have addressed this many times on this forum and here are the verses I have repeatedly cited.

D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “


D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"


D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”


D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”


D8 - John 15:1 – 10:“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 “By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. 9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."


D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D16 - Matt 21:33 – 42 “33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 “Now when vintage–time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 “And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.

36 “Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 “Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 “But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 “So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’

(The Parable of the Vineyard)


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”


D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].


D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].


D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."

I cant adress all your verses, but I will address just 3 or 4. I am sure the few answers I present will be useful to your other verses.

1. I Tim. 2:5 - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ
This verse is not saying that Jesus Christ is not God. Remember, Jesus Christ already told you that I and my Father are one.
John 10:30-33
I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Being one God with the Father doesn't mean they are the same person, but remember, They shear the same throne.
Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.[/b]
No doubt, Jesus Christ has a Father, but He and His Father are one God. The question is, how can two people be one God? But then, we first need to answer the question, What is God? How do we even define God using the bible? Is God the name of a person or an exalted state of being?
Remember the words in the scripture,
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
This means that even man can attain the state of Godhood.
Being one God with the Father is like saying Trump and Vance are one government. Is Trump greater than Vance? Yes. But would it be wrong to say that they make up one Government eventhough they are 2 complete and distinct individuals? I guess you are seeing the picture now.

I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God
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The explanation above also goes for this.

[b]D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”
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This is a good one, and maybe the last I will respond to.
Remember when Christ was on earth, He did not come with His glory. John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
In fact, we are told that He was made a little less than the angels, Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
So in that state, only the Father we befiting of such glory and honour.
But after His resurrection, Christ said. Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
He became almighty (Having all power). And all glory, honour, and praise was due to Him.

I believe these answer most of the points and explain the verses you quoted.

You must also note that Jesus Christ was God and Jehovah of the Old testament but the New Testament showed a different side of Him. It showed Him as the Son of God.
But don't be confused by this, the Son of a Lion can only be a Lion as the Son of God is God.

The Bible teaches one Godhead, not one person (John 17:3; John 10:30 understood as unity).
The Father and the Son are distinct beings, united in will, purpose, and glory (John 17:11, 22).
The Son is divine, pre-existent, creator, worshiped, and identified with Jehovah (YHWH) in the Old Testament (John 1:1–3; 1 Cor. 10:4; Heb. 1:10).

These premises allow both:

Jesus to be God, and

Jesus to be subordinate to the Father.

Subordination ≠ non-divinity.

The Father is God

The Son is God

They are one in purpose, not one person

Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament:

Creator (John 1:3)

Rock of Israel (1 Cor. 10:4)

“I AM” (John 8:58)

Worshiped (Matt. 14:33)

Called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:

The verses you listed do not deny Christ’s divinity.
They define His relationship to the Father.

tctrills:
I cant adress all your verses, but I will address just 3 or 4. I am sure the few answers I present will be useful to your other verses.

1. I Tim. 2:5 - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ
This verse is not saying that Jesus Christ is not God. Remember, Jesus Christ already told you that I and my Father are one.
John 10:30-33
I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Being one God with the Father doesn't mean they are the same person, but remember, They shear the same throne.
Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.[/b]
No doubt, Jesus Christ has a Father, but He and His Father are one God. The question is, how can two people be one God? But then, we first need to answer the question, What is God? How do we even define God using the bible? Is God the name of a person or an exalted state of being?
Remember the words in the scripture,
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
This means that even man can attain the state of Godhood.
Being one God with the Father is like saying Trump and Vance are one government. Is Trump greater than Vance? Yes. But would it be wrong to say that they make up one Government eventhough they are 2 complete and distinct individuals? I guess you are seeing the picture now.

I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God
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The explanation above also goes for this.

[b]D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”
[/b]
This is a good one, and maybe the last I will respond to.
Remember when Christ was on earth, He did not come with His glory. John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
In fact, we are told that He was made a little less than the angels, Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
So in that state, only the Father we befiting of such glory and honour.
But after His resurrection, Christ said. Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
He became almighty (Having all power). And all glory, honour, and praise was due to Him.

I believe these answer most of the points and explain the verses you quoted.

You must also note that Jesus Christ was God and Jehovah of the Old testament but the New Testament showed a different side of Him. It showed Him as the Son of God.
But don't be confused by this, the Son of a Lion can only be a Lion as the Son of God is God.

The Bible teaches one Godhead, not one person (John 17:3; John 10:30 understood as unity).
The Father and the Son are distinct beings, united in will, purpose, and glory (John 17:11, 22).
The Son is divine, pre-existent, creator, worshiped, and identified with Jehovah (YHWH) in the Old Testament (John 1:1–3; 1 Cor. 10:4; Heb. 1:10).

These premises allow both:

Jesus to be God, and

Jesus to be subordinate to the Father.

Subordination ≠ non-divinity.

The Father is God

The Son is God

They are one in purpose, not one person

Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament:

Creator (John 1:3)

Rock of Israel (1 Cor. 10:4)

“I AM” (John 8:58)

Worshiped (Matt. 14:33)

Called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:

The verses you listed do not deny Christ’s divinity.
They define His relationship to the Father.

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The verses are clear. But just to pick on one example. He himself explained what he meant by "I and the Father are one" by going further to explain - just as you and I are one. Now, are you Jesus?

Here is his explanation of that oneness as he prayed it -

John 17:

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.


Look at the bold. Are you the same person as your Christian brother? So obviously he was talking of unity, not being the same person.
Same oneness as described in marriage. That does not make you your wife, abi are you your wife?

Nothing can force the idea that Jesus God to ever be biblical.

But most of all your answer is riddled with the contradiction of saying that Jesus is not the same person as God and yet he is God. You cant untie that knot. It is an irredeemable contradiction.

DeepSight:
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The verses are clear. But just to pick on one example. He himself explained what he meant by "I and the Father are one" by going further to explain - just as you and I are one. Now, are you Jesus?

Here is his explanation of that oneness as he prayed it -

John 17:

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.


Look at the bold. Are you the same person as your Christian brother? So obviously he was talking of unity, not being the same person.
Same oneness as described in marriage. That does not make you your wife, abi are you your wife?

Nothing can force the idea that Jesus God to ever be biblical.

But most of all your answer is riddled with the contradiction of saying that Jesus is not the same person as God and yet he is God. You cant untie that knot. It is an irredeemable contradiction.

So, Unity is a keyword here. In fact, Jesus Christ statment is complete unity. That is what makes Him and His Father one God.
Remember, I gave you an earthly example with Trump and Vance being one government.
You are right, complete unity is the Keyword. But let's understand that unity by exploring other verses
They both have shared glory
John 17:5
Glorify thou me… with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
They have Mutual indwelling (“in one another”)
John 14:10–11
I am in the Father, and the Father in me.
They have shared authority and divine functions
John 5:21–23
As the Father raiseth up the dead… even so the Son quickeneth whom he will…
that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.
Equal honor = divine unity
They have a shared name
John 17:6
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me

Seeing the Son = seeing the Father
John 14:7
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:9
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Knowing Christ is knowing God
1 John 2:23
He that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

And lastly, Paul taught
Colossians 2:9
In him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Now, you say, Nothing can force the idea that Jesus God to ever be biblical.
Let's look at Multiple verses that bibilical teach Jesus Christ is God.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 1.1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Hebrews 1.8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
At least 3 verses in the bible directly call Jesus Christ God.
Would you agree that you are wrong? That's the honest thing to do.

DeepSight:
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I have addressed this many times on this forum and here are the verses I have repeatedly cited. cc FxMasterz

D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “


D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"


D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”


D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”


D8 - John 15:1 – 10:“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 “By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. 9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."


D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D16 - Matt 21:33 – 42 “33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 “Now when vintage–time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 “And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.

36 “Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 “Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 “But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 “So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’

(The Parable of the Vineyard)


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”


D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].


D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].


D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."

We do not deny that Jesus was a Man. The scriptures posit that Jesus is both man and God. All the scriptures you quoted above are His man scriptures. We have several scriptures that also speak of Jesus as God. Then, we also have scriptures that unite His Manliness and Godhood in one entity, such as that Corinthians 10:4. In Revelation, there was one throne, and both God and the Lamb were found on the same throne.

A balanced knowledge of Scripture acknowledges Jesus as God and Man. If 1 Corinthians 10:4 says that the Rock of the Old Testament which is Yahweh was Christ. It is heretic to say that Rock is not Christ.

We believe in the whole Bible and not just a part of it. All the God and Man Scriptures of Jesus in the Bible are Devine and are believed by true Christians.

FxMasterz:
We do not deny that Jesus was a Man. The scriptures posit that Jesus is both man and God. All the scriptures you quoted above are His man scriptures. We have several scriptures that also speak of Jesus as God. Then, we also have scriptures that unite His Manliness and Godhood in one entity, such as that Corinthians 10:4. In Revelation, there was one throne, and both God and the Lamb were found on the same throne.

A balanced knowledge of Scripture acknowledges Jesus as God and Man. If 1 Corinthians 10:4 says that the Rock of the Old Testament which is Yahweh was Christ. It is heretic to say that Rock is not Christ.

We believe in the whole Bible and not just a part of it. All the God and Man Scriptures of Jesus in the Bible are Devine and are believed by true Christians.

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Several verses there make it clear that that same man cannot be God and I don't need to read them for you one by one, do I?

DeepSight:
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Several verses there make it clear that that same man cannot be God and I don't need to read them for you one by one, do I?

What about the several verses that declare the same man as God. I have 3 whole threads deducted to that.

I've read the Bible a whole lot more than you do. You cannot know what the Bible says than I do. All the scripture you quoted are scriptures I know like the back of my hand. And none of those scriptures say the same man CANNOT be God as you claimed.

FxMasterz:
What about the several verses that declare the same man as God. I have 3 whole threads deducted to that.

I've read the Bible a whole lot more than you do. You cannot know what the Bible says than I do. All the scripture you quoted are scriptures I know like the back of my hand. And none of those scriptures say the same man CANNOT be God as you claimed.

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How do you know how much I have read the bible? ? ?

DeepSight:
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The verses are clear. But just to pick on one example. He himself explained what he meant by "I and the Father are one" by going further to explain - just as you and I are one. Now, are you Jesus?

Here is his explanation of that oneness as he prayed it -

John 17:

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.


Look at the bold. Are you the same person as your Christian brother? So obviously he was talking of unity, not being the same person.
Same oneness as described in marriage. That does not make you your wife, abi are you your wife?

Nothing can force the idea that Jesus God to ever be biblical.

But most of all your answer is riddled with the contradiction of saying that Jesus is not the same person as God and yet he is God. You cant untie that knot. It is an irredeemable contradiction.

I answered your concerns in my last post, but I just want to give you something extra to clear your doubts. We will look at some of the verses in your initial post to me and give very short but effective answers to them.
1 Timothy 2:5

“One God… one mediator… the man Christ Jesus”

My response:
Yes, Jesus is the Mediator, precisely because He stands between God the Father and humanity.

But mediation does not deny divinity.

Moses mediated but was not divine (Deut. 5:5)

Angels mediate but are not human (Gal. 3:19)

What makes Christ’s mediation unique is that He is both divine and human:

God from before the world (John 1:1)

Man through incarnation (John 1:14)

Calling Him “the man Christ Jesus” emphasizes His mortality, not the absence of deity.

John 14:28

“The Father is greater than I”

My response:

The Father is greater in authority, not nature.

The Bible itself distinguishes:

Authority order (1 Cor. 11:3)

Shared divine glory (John 17:5)

Jesus existed before the world and shared glory with the Father—something no created being can claim (Isaiah 42:.

1 Corinthians 11:3

“The head of Christ is God”

My response:
Headship ≠ inferiority of being.

Paul uses the same structure:

God to Christ

Christ to man

man to woman

Yet:

Man and woman are equal in worth (Gen. 1:27)

Christ is worshiped (Matt. 14:33)

Christ is Creator (Col. 1:16)

Thus, hierarchy of role, not denial of divinity.

Ephesians 1:15–17

“The God of our Lord Jesus Christ”

My response:
This verse proves distinction, not denial of Christ’s godhood.

Even after resurrection:

Jesus still relates to the Father as His God

Yet He is simultaneously called God elsewhere (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8:


The Father is God over the Son

The Son is God to us

Both are biblical.

1 Peter 1:3

“The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”

My response:
The Bible consistently teaches:
The Father is God over Christ
Christ is Jehovah to Israel (1 Cor. 10:4)
This is functional subordination, not ontological denial.

Mark 10:18

“Why do you call Me good? None is good but God”

My response:
Jesus is not denying goodness; He is forcing the question:

If only God is good… and you call Me good… what does that imply?

This is the same rhetorical method Jesus uses in:

John 8:58 (“Before Abraham was, I AM”)

Matthew 22:45 (David calling the Messiah “Lord”)

The verse challenges the listener to recognize His divinity, not deny it.

1 Corinthians 15:28

“The Son will be subject… that God may be all in all”

My response:
This describes eternal order, not Christ’s loss of divinity.

Even after all is complete:

Christ reigns forever (Rev. 11:15)

Christ is worshiped forever (Rev. 5:13)

The Son eternally honors the Father’s supremacy

Without ceasing to be God

John 15:1–10

Vine and vinedresser imagery

My response:
This is relational symbolism, not ontology.

Elsewhere, Jesus also says:

He is the Light (John 8:12)

He is the Door (John 10:9)

He is the Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)

Metaphor explains relationship, not essence.

John 20:17

“My God and your God”

My response:
Yes—and just three verses later:

“My Lord and my God” (John 20:28)

The same chapter affirms:

Jesus has a God over Him

Jesus is God to Thomas

John 17:1–8

“The only true God… and Jesus Christ”

Response:

Jesus distinguishes Himself from the Father as a person, yet says:

He shared glory before the world existed (v.5)

He gives eternal life (v.2)

Isaiah 43:11 says only God gives salvation.

Therefore:
Either Jesus is God
Or Isaiah is wrong
The Bible chooses the first.

The Father is God

The Son is God

They are one in purpose, not one person

Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament:

Creator (John 1:3)

Rock of Israel (1 Cor. 10:4)

“I AM” (John 8:58)

Worshiped (Matt. 14:33)

Called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8:

DeepSight:
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How do you know how much I have read the bible? ? ?

Because my depth of Bible reading is quite a rarity. I quote chapters without memorizing them due to familiarity. I finished the whole New Testament at age 6. And I've been reading the Bible from Genesis to Revelation several times a year for almost half a century. You cannot read the Bible like I do and become agnostic or start saying God does evil because He said He created evil.

tctrills:
So you disagree with your bible, are you deluded or not? Remember, we are going by your rules.
Let me give you one more,
In the Old Testament, we are told that God is the only rock of Israel, right?
Isaiah 44:8
“Is there a God besides Me? There is no other Rock; I know not one.
Now lets see who that God is,
In the New Testament, we learn that the Rock is Christ
1 Corinthians 10:4
And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ

Again, we are told that we should not worship any other God but the God of the Old Testament, right?
Now check this out,

Matthew 14:33

Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matthew 28:9

And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Matthew 28:17

And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Hebrews 1:6

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Revelation 5:12–14
Verse 12

Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Verse 13

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Verse 14

And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

FxMasterz see this also

I can pick holes in your interpretations but you can't oppose mine. I don't do capital R and small r letter things. Capital G and small g things. You are at the mercy of authors who chose capital or small letters. Who is who from the bible is what matters. It is obvious that you don't even know who God the Father is, you ignore any where you see him in most of the scriptures you quote. This is caused by delusion.

The God of the Old Testament

Acts 3:13 GNT
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus. But you handed him over to the authorities, and you rejected him in Pilate's presence, even after Pilate had decided to set him free.

John 8:41-42, 54-55 NIV
[41] You are doing the works of your own father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” [42] Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
[54] Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. [55] Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word.

Yahweh (God the Father) is the God of the Israel(Jacob) and God of the old testament. Jesus Christ is his servant. Jesus told the Israelites that the One who they claim is their God is the one that sent his. Jesus said that he listens to the Father and obey him. There is nothing like capital and small letter nonsense here. This came from the mouth of the Israelites and from Christ himself.

You don't know this that is why you misinterpret scriptures because you don't know who is who.

Do you agree that God the Father is the God of the old testament?

The word

John 1:1 NIV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This place is talking about two Gods.

1. The word was with God. This is God the Father not the word himself. The word cannot be with himself.

2. The word was God. This is for Christ.

Moses was also a God (Exodus 7:1). How about the idol in Athens called the Unknown God (Act 17:23). Leave capital and small letters alone.

Saviour.

God the Father, the God of the old testament is the only savour. See how. We know that you can even call someone that came to your rescue your saviour(saving someone from a bad situation). But this is not where we are going to.

Isaiah 43:11 LSB
[11] “I, even I, am Yahweh, And there is no savior besides Me.

Acts 2:36 NIrV
[36] “So be sure of this, all you people of Israel. You nailed Jesus to the cross. But God has made him both Lord and Messiah.”

Acts 5:31 LSB
[31] This One God exalted to His right hand as a Leader and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23 NKJV
[23] From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus—


It is God that made Jesus Lord and a saviour. God is the only true saviour. Without him there is no salvation. Any he makes a saviour is a saviour. It comes from him alone. Someone who was equipped and sent to save a people cannot boast to be the only saviour. But the one who did the sending can say that without me, the people will not be saved. The will of God that Christ told you about is yl6 command from God to him to save the world. Jesus answers a saviour because his God made him so.

Focus on the source. Cherry picking of scriptures can cause delusion.

Do you agree that God the Father is the one who made Jesus a saviour?

Titles

Even Nebuchadnezzar was called king of kings. Titles does make any one equal to God the Father.

John 17:7 NLT
[7] Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you,

Jesus received everything from God the Father which includes: life, authority, words, works, glory, judgment, and exaltation.

John 5:26 HCSB
[26] For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted to the Son to have life in Himself.

Before the Father grant this life to Jesus, does Jesus have that life? No. He received it from his God.

It is obvious you don't even know God. He is the Father. The one and only true God.

Creation

It is God the Father that made all things alone by his spoken word. The word which was made flesh (Jesus) is God's spoken word.

Isaiah 44:24 HCSB
[24] This is what the Lord, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb, says: I am Yahweh, who made everything; who stretched out the heavens by Myself; who alone spread out the earth;

Psalms 33:6 NKJV
[6] By the word of the Lord the 9ooheavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

John 1:3, 14 NKJV
[3] All things were made à Him, and witàhout Him nothing was made that was made. [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) made everything alone. He made all his stuff so we could get it things by his spoken word, by the breathe of his mouth. His word was made flesh and is called Jesus.

This is why the bible says that all things were made by or through Jesus (the word of the Lord). He is the spoken word of God.

This part is the reason why you misinterpret the scripture. Understand it.


Judgement

Judgement is the judgement of God the Father. See how.

Acts 17:31 HCSB
[31] because He has set a day when He is going to judge the world in righteousness by the Man He has appointed. He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

John 5:22 NKJV
[22] For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

The Father has set a day in which he will judge the world. He will not do the judgement by himself but has raised Jesus from the dead, appointed him, and committed all judgement to him. God will judge the world using Jesus Christ.

You don't understand the scriptures you posted because you don't know the Father. The only true God Jesus told you about.

You cannot oppose these things that came from the source of life, titles, salvation, judgement, and all creation. Avoid cherry picking. Make sure you know the Father, the one God over all and you will see things clearly.

FxMasterz:
Because my depth of Bible reading is quite a rarity. I quote chapters without memorizing them due to familiarity. I finished the whole New Testament at age 6. And I've been reading the Bible from Genesis to Revelation several times a year for almost half a century. You cannot read the Bible like I do and become agnostic or start saying God does evil because He said He created evil.

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Quite interesting, nevertheless I would warn you not to assume. I find it hard to understand that a six year old reads and understands the bible fully, but I had fully read it many times by about 14; and have read it many times again over the years. Along with the Quoran and other works of interest. Not that this matters, I am just advising you against assumptions about strangers and chest beating.

Particularly because what we have read does not change what is written there in black and white.

To the topic, if you say there are verses affirming that Jesus is God, does it not then make it obvious that the whole book is immensely contradictory?

Bear in mind we are talking about selected books put together by the Roman Curia by tens of writers across many centuries.

Boomark:
FxMasterz see this also

I can pick holes in your interpretations but you can't oppose mine. I don't do capital R and small r letter things. Capital G and small g things. You are at the mercy of authors who chose capital or small letters. Who is who from the bible is what matters. It is obvious that you don't even know who God the Father is, you ignore any where you see him in most of the scriptures you quote. This is caused by delusion.

The God of the Old Testament

Acts 3:13 GNT
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus. But you handed him over to the authorities, and you rejected him in Pilate's presence, even after Pilate had decided to set him free.

John 8:41-42, 54-55 NIV
[41] You are doing the works of your own father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” [42] Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
[54] Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. [55] Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word.

Yahweh (God the Father) is the God of the Israel(Jacob) and God of the old testament. Jesus Christ is his servant. Jesus told the Israelites that the One who they claim is their God is the one that sent his. Jesus said that he listens to the Father and obey him. There is nothing like capital and small letter nonsense here. This came from the mouth of the Israelites and from Christ himself.

You don't know this that is why you misinterpret scriptures because you don't know who is who.

Do you agree that God the Father is the God of the old testament?

The word

John 1:1 NIV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This place is talking about two Gods.

1. The word was with God. This is God the Father not the word himself. The word cannot be with himself.

2. The word was God. This is for Christ.

Moses was also a God (Exodus 7:1). How about the idol in Athens called the Unknown God (Act 17:23). Leave capital and small letters alone.

Saviour.

God the Father, the God of the old testament is the only savour. See how. We know that you can even call someone that came to your rescue your saviour(saving someone from a bad situation). But this is not where we are going to.

Isaiah 43:11 LSB
[11] “I, even I, am Yahweh, And there is no savior besides Me.

Acts 2:36 NIrV
[36] “So be sure of this, all you people of Israel. You nailed Jesus to the cross. But God has made him both Lord and Messiah.”

Acts 5:31 LSB
[31] This One God exalted to His right hand as a Leader and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23 NKJV
[23] From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus—


It is God that made Jesus Lord and a saviour. God is the only true saviour. Without him there is no salvation. Any he makes a saviour is a saviour. It comes from him alone. Someone who was equipped and sent to save a people cannot boast to be the only saviour. But the one who did the sending can say that without me, the people will not be saved. The will of God that Christ told you about is yl6 command from God to him to save the world. Jesus answers a saviour because his God made him so.

Focus on the source. Cherry picking of scriptures can cause delusion.

Do you agree that God the Father is the one who made Jesus a saviour?

Titles

Even Nebuchadnezzar was called king of kings. Titles does make any one equal to God the Father.

John 17:7 NLT
[7] Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you,

Jesus received everything from God the Father which includes: life, authority, words, works, glory, judgment, and exaltation.

John 5:26 HCSB
[26] For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted to the Son to have life in Himself.

Before the Father grant this life to Jesus, does Jesus have that life? No. He received it from his God.

It is obvious you don't even know God. He is the Father. The one and only true God.

Creation

It is God the Father that made all things alone by his spoken word. The word which was made flesh (Jesus) is God's spoken word.

Isaiah 44:24 HCSB
[24] This is what the Lord, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb, says: I am Yahweh, who made everything; who stretched out the heavens by Myself; who alone spread out the earth;

Psalms 33:6 NKJV
[6] By the word of the Lord the 9ooheavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

John 1:3, 14 NKJV
[3] All things were made à Him, and witàhout Him nothing was made that was made. [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) made everything alone. He made all his stuff so we could get it things by his spoken word, by the breathe of his mouth. His word was made flesh and is called Jesus.

This is why the bible says that all things were made by or through Jesus (the word of the Lord). He is the spoken word of God.

This part is the reason why you misinterpret the scripture. Understand it.


Judgement

Judgement is the judgement of God the Father. See how.

Acts 17:31 HCSB
[31] because He has set a day when He is going to judge the world in righteousness by the Man He has appointed. He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

John 5:22 NKJV
[22] For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

The Father has set a day in which he will judge the world. He will not do the judgement by himself but has raised Jesus from the dead, appointed him, and committed all judgement to him. God will judge the world using Jesus Christ.

You don't understand the scriptures you posted because you don't know the Father. The only true God Jesus told you about.

You cannot oppose these things that came from the source of life, titles, salvation, judgement, and all creation. Avoid cherry picking. Make sure you know the Father, the one God over all and you will see things clearly.

You are confusing many things. I never said that 2 individuals were not mentioned in John 1.1, I only said that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old testament so most of the verses you quoted do not show in any way that He isn't the God of the Old Testament. Again, I never said He doesnt have a Father. Please, did you even read what I wrote?

Now lets dismantle some of the things you wrote. Let's begin with God being the Judge.
The Old Testament tells us that there is one Judge. Now you argue that He sets a day for Judgement, but that still doesn't make Him the Judge. If one man appoints the Judge and sets the day of Judgment, does that make him the judge? No.
The president can appoint a judge, but that doesn't make him the judge, so your argument is dead on arrival.

On creation, you only made my point.
It's the Old Testament verses you quoted tells you that Yahweh is the creator, and the verse you quoted from John tells you that all things were made by Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. Put the 2 together, Jesus Christ is Yahweh, that exactly is my point.

On titles,
Yes, you guy Nebuchadnezzar was called king of kings, but that title did not come from God, so it is not a relevant example. Jesus Christ was not given vain titles; every title He has, He earned. He is the Beginning and the end, not because He needs an extra title to praise Him, but because He is from everlasting to everlasting. SO comparing His titles to a dead king shows you are not trying to be serious.

On being the Saviou
You said,
God the Father, the God of the Old Testament, is the only saviour. Meaning that the apostles lied when they wrote
Luke 2:11 — “For unto you is born… a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.”

Acts 5:31 — “God exalted Him… as Leader and Savior.”

Titus 2:13 — “Our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
Funny enough, all the verses you quoted from the New Testament said Jesus is the Saviour. Are you even reading what you are sending?
Let's read the verses you quoted to see who is called the Saviour
Acts 2:36 NIrV
[36] “So be sure of this, all you people of Israel. You nailed Jesus to the cross. But God has made him both Lord and Messiah.”

Acts 5:31 LSB
[31] This One God exalted to His right hand as a Leader and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23 NKJV
[23] From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus—
# verses from you that all teach Jesus Christ is the Saviour. The Yahweh in Isaiah 43:11 LSB
[11] “I, even I, am Yahweh, And there is no savior besides Me.

In the entire stuff you wrote, your only legitimate argument is here;
Acts 3:13 GNT
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus. But you handed him over to the authorities, and you rejected him in Pilate's presence, even after Pilate had decided to set him free.

I give this to you.
Now, let me answer
Let me take you to 2 verses in the Old Testament
Zechariah 2:8-9
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.

Here we seethe Lord of Hosts say He was sent by the Lord of Hosts. So yes, if Jesus Christ is the Lord of Hosts, His Father is also the Lord of Hosts.
If He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, then His father is the same. Does this make sense to you?
Now, Jesus Christ told us clearly who He is.
John 8:56–58

“Before Abraham was, I AM.” Jesus directly claims: identity with the God known to Abraham, the divine name of Exodus 3:14

Psalm 110:1

“The LORD said unto my Lord
Here, David makes it known that Jesus Christ is his Lord.

Have I addressed all your concerns? Please let me know if I omitted anything. We are here to serve you
You are welcome

DeepSight:
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Quite interesting, nevertheless I would warn you not to assume. I find it hard to understand that a six year old reads and understands the bible fully, but I had fully read it many times by about 14; and have read it many times again over the years. Along with the Quoran and other works of interest. Not that this matters, I am just advising you against assumptions about strangers and chest beating.

Particularly because what we have read does not change what is written there in black and white.

To the topic, if you say there are verses affirming that Jesus is God, does it not then make it obvious that the whole book is immensely contradictory?

Bear in mind we are talking about selected books put together by the Roman Curia by tens of writers across many centuries.

Well, I'm not chest-beating. I'm only telling my reality. I started reading early in life. I began reading the Bible at age 4. Finished the New Testament at age 6. Started preaching powerfully at age 9. There were 5 years between 1994 and 1999 where I had my own internal retrospections to examine and ascertain the authenticity of my faith. Those years, I studied other religions, made a forage into the world for pleasure, and experimented other things before God Himself arrested me again in 1999. And since then, I have not had any lapse regarding my relationship with God through the Bible. This year is still young for example, and I'm already on the Book of Ezekiel, meanwhile I started again from Genesis. The Bible is like my daily food. And I know that very few people read the Bible the way I do. Your credentials are solid too but I don't think you actually ever understood what you read. Otherwise you wouldn't become agnostic. I appreciate your advice actually.

Now, back to the matter at hand. There's nothing contradictory about Jesus being God and being Man. Jesus is fully man and fully God. You need to understand the Plan of God for man, for you to know why God had to come down as man. God coming down as man does not stop God from being God, and does not immediately make Him irreversibly Man.

Man can only be fully man and not fully anything else. That's man's limitation. Not God's. Apart from that Scripture in 1 Corinthians. 10:4, hear what was said about Jesus before He was born:

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come forth for Me One to be ruler over Israel—One whose origins are of old, from the days of eternity." Micah 5:2.

Do you understand the origin of Jesus? He has an origin from eternity past. It means, He has no beginning. That's not a mere man. Then join that to several other Scriptures that refer to Him as God in one way or the other. That's apart from His own personal declarations in Revelation as "The First and the Last. The Almighty." Isaiah explicitly prophesied the Child that was to be born and called Him "The Everlasting Father."

Now, that may confuse you if you're not well grounded in the Truth. And indeed, you should be confused and consider it contradictory because it's nothing close to the experience of man. And, as I have always said, only a man-made God can be fully explained and be fully understood by man. Even a child does not understand adults until he becomes an adult. How can a man be able to fully understand God who has a nature entirely different and far removed from human experience? We only explain God according to our limited human faculty and language. God is far more mysterious than anyone can explain.

Now, I do not base my theology on what anybody says or what any denomination says. I read the Bible for myself to get answers to any question I have. So, my position is ALWAYS the position of the Bible, not a denominational doctrine.

You may not fully comprehend the dual nature of Jesus but you can come to the realization that God came to earth as man to help man solve a problem that was too much for him to solve. He became fully man, and that didn't stop Him from remaining fully God.

Boomark:
FxMasterz see this also

I can pick holes in your interpretations but you can't oppose mine. I don't do capital R and small r letter things. Capital G and small g things. You are at the mercy of authors who chose capital or small letters. Who is who from the bible is what matters. It is obvious that you don't even know who God the Father is, you ignore any where you see him in most of the scriptures you quote. This is caused by delusion.

The God of the Old Testament

Acts 3:13 GNT
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus. But you handed him over to the authorities, and you rejected him in Pilate's presence, even after Pilate had decided to set him free.

John 8:41-42, 54-55 NIV
[41] You are doing the works of your own father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” [42] Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
[54] Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. [55] Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word.

Yahweh (God the Father) is the God of the Israel(Jacob) and God of the old testament. Jesus Christ is his servant. Jesus told the Israelites that the One who they claim is their God is the one that sent his. Jesus said that he listens to the Father and obey him. There is nothing like capital and small letter nonsense here. This came from the mouth of the Israelites and from Christ himself.

You don't know this that is why you misinterpret scriptures because you don't know who is who.

Do you agree that God the Father is the God of the old testament?

The word

John 1:1 NIV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This place is talking about two Gods.

1. The word was with God. This is God the Father not the word himself. The word cannot be with himself.

2. The word was God. This is for Christ.

Moses was also a God (Exodus 7:1). How about the idol in Athens called the Unknown God (Act 17:23). Leave capital and small letters alone.

Saviour.

God the Father, the God of the old testament is the only savour. See how. We know that you can even call someone that came to your rescue your saviour(saving someone from a bad situation). But this is not where we are going to.

Isaiah 43:11 LSB
[11] “I, even I, am Yahweh, And there is no savior besides Me.

Acts 2:36 NIrV
[36] “So be sure of this, all you people of Israel. You nailed Jesus to the cross. But God has made him both Lord and Messiah.”

Acts 5:31 LSB
[31] This One God exalted to His right hand as a Leader and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23 NKJV
[23] From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus—


It is God that made Jesus Lord and a saviour. God is the only true saviour. Without him there is no salvation. Any he makes a saviour is a saviour. It comes from him alone. Someone who was equipped and sent to save a people cannot boast to be the only saviour. But the one who did the sending can say that without me, the people will not be saved. The will of God that Christ told you about is yl6 command from God to him to save the world. Jesus answers a saviour because his God made him so.

Focus on the source. Cherry picking of scriptures can cause delusion.

Do you agree that God the Father is the one who made Jesus a saviour?

Titles

Even Nebuchadnezzar was called king of kings. Titles does make any one equal to God the Father.

John 17:7 NLT
[7] Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you,

Jesus received everything from God the Father which includes: life, authority, words, works, glory, judgment, and exaltation.

John 5:26 HCSB
[26] For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted to the Son to have life in Himself.

Before the Father grant this life to Jesus, does Jesus have that life? No. He received it from his God.

It is obvious you don't even know God. He is the Father. The one and only true God.

Creation

It is God the Father that made all things alone by his spoken word. The word which was made flesh (Jesus) is God's spoken word.

Isaiah 44:24 HCSB
[24] This is what the Lord, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb, says: I am Yahweh, who made everything; who stretched out the heavens by Myself; who alone spread out the earth;

Psalms 33:6 NKJV
[6] By the word of the Lord the 9ooheavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

John 1:3, 14 NKJV
[3] All things were made à Him, and witàhout Him nothing was made that was made. [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) made everything alone. He made all his stuff so we could get it things by his spoken word, by the breathe of his mouth. His word was made flesh and is called Jesus.

This is why the bible says that all things were made by or through Jesus (the word of the Lord). He is the spoken word of God.

This part is the reason why you misinterpret the scripture. Understand it.


Judgement

Judgement is the judgement of God the Father. See how.

Acts 17:31 HCSB
[31] because He has set a day when He is going to judge the world in righteousness by the Man He has appointed. He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

John 5:22 NKJV
[22] For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

The Father has set a day in which he will judge the world. He will not do the judgement by himself but has raised Jesus from the dead, appointed him, and committed all judgement to him. God will judge the world using Jesus Christ.

You don't understand the scriptures you posted because you don't know the Father. The only true God Jesus told you about.

You cannot oppose these things that came from the source of life, titles, salvation, judgement, and all creation. Avoid cherry picking. Make sure you know the Father, the one God over all and you will see things clearly.

Please let me ask you a question. Before I ask the question, let me first clarify that we do not reject anything the Bible says about Jesus. We believe that Jesus has a Father but He Himself is the Father. He is The Everlasting Father according to Isaiah the prophet. You're the one who believes that Jesus is indeed a child born to us, but not the Everlasting Father that the Child was called. Isaiah said the Child is to be born to us. You believe that. He also said He shall be called The Everlasting Father. You rejected that. You believe one part of the Scripture instead of believing the whole. Now this is my question:

1 Corinthians 10:4 says Christ is the same Rock that followed the Israelites through the wilderness. Are you saying that this scripture is incorrect and that Christ is not that Rock?

I want you to answer A or B:

A. Christ is not that Rock. 1 Corinthians 10:4 is incorrect and false.

B. Christ is that Rock. 1 Corinthians 10:4 is correct and true.

My reference to the capital R is for you to understand that the Rock with the capital R referred to Yahweh. That's what the translators want us to understand. Or, Are you saying the Rock referred to is not Yahweh? Please answer this question, and answer the one above by choosing A or B.

Boomark:
FxMasterz see this also

I can pick holes in your interpretations but you can't oppose mine. I don't do capital R and small r letter things. Capital G and small g things. You are at the mercy of authors who chose capital or small letters. Who is who from the bible is what matters. It is obvious that you don't even know who God the Father is, you ignore any where you see him in most of the scriptures you quote. This is caused by delusion.

The God of the Old Testament

Acts 3:13 GNT
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus. But you handed him over to the authorities, and you rejected him in Pilate's presence, even after Pilate had decided to set him free.

John 8:41-42, 54-55 NIV
[41] You are doing the works of your own father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” [42] Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
[54] Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. [55] Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word.

Yahweh (God the Father) is the God of the Israel(Jacob) and God of the old testament. Jesus Christ is his servant. Jesus told the Israelites that the One who they claim is their God is the one that sent his. Jesus said that he listens to the Father and obey him. There is nothing like capital and small letter nonsense here. This came from the mouth of the Israelites and from Christ himself.

You don't know this that is why you misinterpret scriptures because you don't know who is who.

Do you agree that God the Father is the God of the old testament?

The word

John 1:1 NIV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This place is talking about two Gods.

1. The word was with God. This is God the Father not the word himself. The word cannot be with himself.

2. The word was God. This is for Christ.

Moses was also a God (Exodus 7:1). How about the idol in Athens called the Unknown God (Act 17:23). Leave capital and small letters alone.

Saviour.

God the Father, the God of the old testament is the only savour. See how. We know that you can even call someone that came to your rescue your saviour(saving someone from a bad situation). But this is not where we are going to.

Isaiah 43:11 LSB
[11] “I, even I, am Yahweh, And there is no savior besides Me.

Acts 2:36 NIrV
[36] “So be sure of this, all you people of Israel. You nailed Jesus to the cross. But God has made him both Lord and Messiah.”

Acts 5:31 LSB
[31] This One God exalted to His right hand as a Leader and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23 NKJV
[23] From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus—


It is God that made Jesus Lord and a saviour. God is the only true saviour. Without him there is no salvation. Any he makes a saviour is a saviour. It comes from him alone. Someone who was equipped and sent to save a people cannot boast to be the only saviour. But the one who did the sending can say that without me, the people will not be saved. The will of God that Christ told you about is yl6 command from God to him to save the world. Jesus answers a saviour because his God made him so.

Focus on the source. Cherry picking of scriptures can cause delusion.

Do you agree that God the Father is the one who made Jesus a saviour?

Titles

Even Nebuchadnezzar was called king of kings. Titles does make any one equal to God the Father.

John 17:7 NLT
[7] Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you,

Jesus received everything from God the Father which includes: life, authority, words, works, glory, judgment, and exaltation.

John 5:26 HCSB
[26] For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted to the Son to have life in Himself.

Before the Father grant this life to Jesus, does Jesus have that life? No. He received it from his God.

It is obvious you don't even know God. He is the Father. The one and only true God.

Creation

It is God the Father that made all things alone by his spoken word. The word which was made flesh (Jesus) is God's spoken word.

Isaiah 44:24 HCSB
[24] This is what the Lord, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb, says: I am Yahweh, who made everything; who stretched out the heavens by Myself; who alone spread out the earth;

Psalms 33:6 NKJV
[6] By the word of the Lord the 9ooheavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

John 1:3, 14 NKJV
[3] All things were made à Him, and witàhout Him nothing was made that was made. [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) made everything alone. He made all his stuff so we could get it things by his spoken word, by the breathe of his mouth. His word was made flesh and is called Jesus.

This is why the bible says that all things were made by or through Jesus (the word of the Lord). He is the spoken word of God.

This part is the reason why you misinterpret the scripture. Understand it.


Judgement

Judgement is the judgement of God the Father. See how.

Acts 17:31 HCSB
[31] because He has set a day when He is going to judge the world in righteousness by the Man He has appointed. He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

John 5:22 NKJV
[22] For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

The Father has set a day in which he will judge the world. He will not do the judgement by himself but has raised Jesus from the dead, appointed him, and committed all judgement to him. God will judge the world using Jesus Christ.

You don't understand the scriptures you posted because you don't know the Father. The only true God Jesus told you about.

You cannot oppose these things that came from the source of life, titles, salvation, judgement, and all creation. Avoid cherry picking. Make sure you know the Father, the one God over all and you will see things clearly.

I have already given you a lengthy reply above, but let me summarize your entire post above.

You claimed that Jesus Christ is not the Judge in the Old testament then below in the very next paragraphs, you provide scriptures that teach that Jesus Christ is the judge appointed by His Father.

Then you claimed that Jesus is not the creator spoken about in Isaiah 44:24
[24] This is what the Lord, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb, says: I am Yahweh, who made everything; who stretched out the heavens by Myself; who alone spread out the earth;
Then just below that, you went on to quote John 1:3, 14 NKJV
[3] All things were made by Him, and witàhout Him nothing was made that was made. Showing that He is indeed the creator spoken about by Isaiah.

Then again, another claim, you said, He is not the Savior. You quoted Isaiah 43:11 LSB
[11] “I, even I, am Yahweh, and there is no savior besides Me.
And just below that, you again proved He is the Savior sent by His Father, spoken of by Isaiah by quoting 3 verses that clearly state that Jesus Christ is the Savior
Acts 2:36 NIrV
[36] “So be sure of this, all you people of Israel. You nailed Jesus to the cross. But God has made him both Lord and Messiah.”

Acts 5:31 LSB
[31] This One God exalted to His right hand as a Leader and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23 NKJV
[23] From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus—
Every one of these vesrses call Jesus Christ the Savior. Hence, He must be the one Savior spoken about in Isaiah.

From the above, it's either that you just wanted to agree with me, or make a funny joke, or waste our time. All you have ended up doing is proving my point using scriptures in the Old Testament to find Christ in the New Testament. I am guessing that if your son asks you if Jesus Christ is his Savior, you will be saying no from now on.

why every thread these days, there are always two people going at each other like an old man and a midget....or an Italian and a black woman.....
lets quit making our post personal people are learning.

For the last time TenQ, God is not "a thing", God is "Everything" (singular). we are part of God And God is part of us.....

For free: God is the universal divine consciousness.