₦airaland Forum

sonmvayina:
you are not even understanding what you are reading that's why you are all over the place. it is Zachariah that is writing, he is the me in the passages. read from the beginning to the end, stop removing text. some interpreting or explaining text in isolation.....put it back to its proper context...

Ok, let's play your game and see how it works.
Verse 11
And many nations will join themselves to YHWH in that day,
and they will become My people.
And I will dwell in your midst,
and you will know that YHWH of hosts has sent me to you.
So the nations will join themselves to God and will become the people of Zachariah, and Zachariah will dwell in their midst. Oga, this is getting meaningless. Let's just stop. I don't think we are the right pair for each other.

TenQ:
Which part of the English language do you not understand

I still challenge you to quote EXACTLY where I said that "Jesus is not the "Almighty God" in Hebrews 1:8" otherwise, you are the TRUE son of your father.

Are you denying that you did not claim that Hebrews 1:8 does not refer to the Son as an Almighty God with the screenshot evidence that I have shown you?

Did you not clearly tell me that The verse is not saying that the son is AN Almighty God?

Is this not the same reason sonmvayina ended discussion with you?

Truthseeker10:
Are you denying that you did not claim that Hebrews 1:8 does not refer to the Son as an Almighty God with the screenshot evidence that I have shown you? Did you not clearly tell me that The verse is not saying that the son is AN Almighty God?
Is this not the same reason sonmvayina ended discussion with you?

You don't get it Jesus is the Almighty God it's when he is the son that he stop being Almighty God!😂

Truthseeker10:
Are you denying that you did not claim that Hebrews 1:8 does not refer to the Son as an Almighty God with the screenshot evidence that I have shown you?

Did you not clearly tell me that The verse is not saying that the son is AN Almighty God?

Is this not the same reason sonmvayina ended discussion with you?

Why are you repeating yourself, please shamelessly like a broken record quote EXACTLY where I said that "Jesus is not the "Almighty God" in Hebrews 1:8"


Did Hebrews 1: 8 anywhere say that "the son is AN Almighty God?"

MaxInDHouse:
You don't get it Jesus is the Almighty God it's when he is the son that he stop being Almighty God! 😂

Wonders will never end!?

So, after all these years and back and forth, you now admit that Jesus is the Almighty God except when he is the son!?

So,
Was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Almighty God OR
was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Son?

Can the Almighty be TEMPORAL?


I am happy for your new conclusion it shows that you are now learning the correct doctrine of Christ progressively.

Don't worry about me jàre focus on your fellow debator count me out!😂

TenQ:
Wonders will never end!?
So, after all these years and back and forth, you now admit that Jesus is the Almighty God except when he is the son!?
So,
Was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Almighty God OR
was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Son?
Can the Almighty be TEMPORAL?
I am happy for your new conclusion it shows that you are now learning the correct doctrine of Christ progressively.

MaxInDHouse:
Don't worry about me jàre focus on your fellow debator count me out!😂

No problem!
At least you are coming closer to the Truth. One of these days, you will be free.

Shalom!




But it is good that you ask the other Elders to review these questions



So,
1. Was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Almighty God OR
2. was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Son?

3. Can the Almighty be TEMPORAL?


I am still notwithstanding happy for your new conclusion it shows that you are now learning the correct doctrine of Christ progressively.

Funny guy!😂

TenQ:
No problem!
At least you are coming closer to the Truth. One of these days, you will be free.

Shalom!




But it is good that you ask the other Elders to review these questions



So,
1. Was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Almighty God OR
2. was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Son?

3. Can the Almighty be TEMPORAL?


I am still notwithstanding happy for your new conclusion it shows that you are now learning the correct doctrine of Christ progressively.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny guy!😂

So glad you are happy this morning.






But it is STILL good that you ask the other Elders or the Board of Governors of the JW to review these questions below


1. Was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Almighty God OR
2. was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Son?

3. Can the Almighty be TEMPORAL?


Have a nice day!
You truely made my day with this positive change of stance! The Truth will definitely set you FREE once you adopt it.

Expecting some aimless arguments?

Ọmọ count me out.

Jesus is not the Almighty, can't be the Almighty and will never ever be the Almighty.

So continue with your fellow debators!😂

TenQ:
So glad you are happy this morning.
But it is STILL good that you ask the other Elders or the Board of Governors of the JW to review these questions below

1. Was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Almighty God OR
2. was Jesus TEMPORARILY the Son?
3. Can the Almighty be TEMPORAL?


Have a nice day!
You truely made my day with this positive change of stance! The Truth will definitely set you FREE once you adopt it.

MaxInDHouse:
Expecting some aimless arguments?

Ọmọ count me out.

Jesus is not the Almighty, can't be the Almighty and will never ever be the Almighty.

So continue with your fellow debators!😂

Not with you sir. I said reach out to your fellow elders for discussion.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't get it Jesus is the Almighty God it's when he is the son that he stop being Almighty God!😂

Two opposite statements by the same person within a space of just 1 hour
Are you CONFUSED!?

TenQ:
Not with you sir. I said reach out to your fellow elders for discussion.

You have not answered the question i asked you so until you do there is nothing further to discuss with you!

TenQ:
Two opposite statements by the same person within a space of just 1 hour
Are you CONFUSED!?

The person i quoted understand what is called SARCASM!🙂

tctrills:
Ok, let's play your game and see how it works.
Verse 11
And many nations will join themselves to YHWH in that day,
and they will become My people.
And I will dwell in your midst,
and you will know that YHWH of hosts has sent me to you.
So the nations will join themselves to God and will become the people of Zachariah, and Zachariah will dwell in their midst. Oga, this is getting meaningless. Let's just stop. I don't think we are the right pair for each other.

does it mean you can't even read? is that what is there...

I have explained everything to you...
just to read what is written,you can't...

common English...
when the another people see that God is with Judah and Jerusalem, they will come there, so they can enjoy God's protection. They will also become God's people...and when this happens, people will know that it was God that sent Zachariah to them..... because what he has said is the truth and it has come to pass.
this is simple comprehension...no fall my hand , a beg.

tctrills:
Explain yourself

The naration or story is continuous, but you will remove one line from it, you will isolate one line from it and say it is talking about so and so person.
it is a continuous story. read the whole story you will better understand what the writer is saying.
this is what you do, here is an extract from a newspaper article
"These remarkable creatures possess exceptional swimming abilities and can remain submerged for up to five minutes when threatened. Their eyes, ears, and nostrils are positioned high on their heads, allowing them to monitor their surroundings whilst mostly submerged. This anatomical arrangement provides a distinct advantage in detecting approaching predators."

you will just remove one line from the story and say it is talking about so and so,
all I am saying is put it back to its place and read the whole story, that is when you will get the full gist.
comprende?
you will take the bold and say, it is talking about a rat...Nooooo.

tctrills:
Oga if you claim I removed something, please add it for all to see and stop wasting my time

stop looking at only one verse in the chapter, look at the bigger picture(The whole chapter) you will get the gist and better understand the message in the story.

that is my point.

and if you do, you will see that there is no Jesus there, it is about Zachariah, and his claim to prophethood.

MaxInDHouse:
You have not answered the question i asked you so until you do there is nothing further to discuss with you!



The person i quoted understand what is called SARCASM!🙂

When did you ask me any question?
It's been months ago I chatted with you last.


So, it was sarcasm!?
LOL!!
I believe you!!! LOL!!!!!!!

TenQ:
When did you ask me any question?

What is the name of your church and tell me what your Jesus has achieved in the midst of its worshipers?

MaxInDHouse:
What is the name of your church and tell me what your Jesus has achieved in the midst of its His worshipers?

I belong to "The Church of Jesus Christ" ( I won't tell you the city I reside but I am in Nigeria)

What Has Jesus Achieved in the midst of Us His Children!?
1. He Bought us with the costly Price of His Blood on the Cross and Adopted Us into Himself By His Spirit.
2. He Sealed us with His Spirit so that we become His Children
3. He made us Holy to Himself and Gave us His Spirit to lead us in Good Works
4. He Helped us to Nurture our Fruit of the Spirit by which our Character as His Ambassadors are nurtured and projected in the World
5. He gave us His Gifts of the Holy Spirit by which we are Empowered to Make Disciples of All nations, to Preach, to Heal the Sick and Cast out Demons as we go about Preaching the Good News to All Creations
6. He made Us His own Workmanship Created to do Good works for Him as we Represent Him Wherever we are
7. He made us to Love Him and one another as He has Loved us with a pure Love


So, above is the summary of what my Jesus has achieved in the midst of us who worship Him in Spirit and Truth!

Without Jesus, we are NOTHING!
In Jesus Christ we are made COMPLETE!

We still have some minor individual and personal shortcomings, BUT we are all work in-progress, and daily, we grow together Loving More of God and our Neighbours as ourselves.

We are ALL waiting for the second coming of Jesus Christ: so, we do the work of the ministry knowing that He will reward us according to our Faithfulness to our calling of Living a Life Worthy of His calling, Preaching the Good News and Making Disciples of all Creations.


I have nothing else to Add to this INFORMATION about the name of my church and what Jesus has achieved in the midst of us His worshipers?

Thank you for asking me of what the Lord Jesus Christ has Achieved in our Midst?

TenQ:
Why are you repeating yourself, please shamelessly like a broken record quote EXACTLY where I said that "Jesus is not the "Almighty God" in Hebrews 1:8"


Did Hebrews 1: 8 anywhere say that "the son is AN Almighty God?"

Lol....look at this man. So the "God" in Hebrews 1:8 dies not mean "Almighty God"?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't get it Jesus is the Almighty God it's when he is the son that he stop being Almighty God!😂

🤣🤣🤣🤣funny people

sonmvayina:
stop looking at only one verse in the chapter, look at the bigger picture(The whole chapter) you will get the gist and better understand the message in the story.

that is my point.

and if you do, you will see that there is no Jesus there, it is about Zachariah, and his claim to prophethood.

Oga, that is what I have been doing all this time. I even copied and posted an entire chapter to you.
But then, one does not even need to be that intelligent to know that when a verse begins with, "For thus says YHWH of hosts," the next person that speaks should be YHWH of hosts. How hard can this be for you?

For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

Truthseeker10:
Lol....look at this man. So the "God" in Hebrews 1:8 dies not mean "Almighty God"?

Please go in shame.
So, you LIED!
You won't answer my questions

sonmvayina:
The naration or story is continuous, but you will remove one line from it, you will isolate one line from it and say it is talking about so and so person.
it is a continuous story. read the whole story you will better understand what the writer is saying.
this is what you do, here is an extract from a newspaper article
"These remarkable creatures possess exceptional swimming abilities and can remain submerged for up to five minutes when threatened. Their eyes, ears, and nostrils are positioned high on their heads, allowing them to monitor their surroundings whilst mostly submerged. This anatomical arrangement provides a distinct advantage in detecting approaching predators."

you will just remove one line from the story and say it is talking about so and so,
all I am saying is put it back to its place and read the whole story, that is when you will get the full gist.
comprende?
you will take the bold and say, it is talking about a rat...Nooooo.

Do you want me to copy and paste the entire chapter for you again? Is that your point? Because I will do it if that solves this.

I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.

2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.

3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,
Zachariah speaking of his encounter with the angel

4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein:
The angel speaking

5 For I, saith the Lord, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.
The angel relates the word of the Lord

6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord. Still the word of the Lord

7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.

10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.

11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
Still the word of the Lord relayed by the angel

12 And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.

13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.

TenQ:
Please go in shame.
So, you LIED!
You won't answer my questions

🤣🤣🤣Baba simply answer the question na.
So the "God" in Hebrews 1:8 did not mean "Almighty God"?

sonmvayina:
does it mean you can't even read? is that what is there...

I have explained everything to you...
just to read what is written,you can't...

common English...
when the another people see that God is with Judah and Jerusalem, they will come there, so they can enjoy God's protection. They will also become God's people...and when this happens, people will know that it was God that sent Zachariah to them..... because what he has said is the truth and it has come to pass.
this is simple comprehension...no fall my hand , a beg.

Oga, no need for all this noise, just make sense of verse 11. Whose words are those? Are they Zachariah's, the angel's, or God's?
Here is the verse below, but you are free to compare it with other verses.
And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
Please analyze this verse.

So apart from audio achievements like all other religions do claim what can we see as evidence of your Jesus in the midst of its worshipers?

Note that all types of religions also make claims that's not visible please mention one thing that everyone can see as proof of your Jesus!🙂

TenQ:
I belong to "The Church of Jesus Christ" ( I won't tell you the city I reside but I am in Nigeria)
What Has Jesus Achieved in the midst of Us His Children!?
1. He Bought us with the costly Price of His Blood on the Cross and Adopted Us into Himself By His Spirit.
2. He Sealed us with His Spirit so that we become His Children
3. He made us Holy to Himself and Gave us His Spirit to lead us in Good Works
4. He Helped us to Nurture our Fruit of the Spirit by which our Character as His Ambassadors are nurtured and projected in the World
5. He gave us His Gifts of the Holy Spirit by which we are Empowered to Make Disciples of All nations, to Preach, to Heal the Sick and Cast out Demons as we go about Preaching the Good News to All Creations
6. He made Us His own Workmanship Created to do Good works for Him as we Represent Him Wherever we are
7. He made us to Love Him and one another as He has Loved us with a pure Love

So, above is the summary of what my Jesus has achieved in the midst of us who worship Him in Spirit and Truth!
Without Jesus, we are NOTHING!
In Jesus Christ we are made COMPLETE!
We still have some minor individual and personal shortcomings, BUT we are all work in-progress, and daily, we grow together Loving More of God and our Neighbours as ourselves.
We are ALL waiting for the second coming of Jesus Christ: so, we do the work of the ministry knowing that He will reward us according to our Faithfulness to our calling of Living a Life Worthy of His calling, Preaching the Good News and Making Disciples of all Creations.
I have nothing else to Add to this INFORMATION about the name of my church and what Jesus has achieved in the midst of us His worshipers?
Thank you for asking me of what the Lord Jesus Christ has Achieved in our Midst?

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣🤣funny people

When they are choked the next thing is to start arguing aimlessly and blindly!🙂

Just imagine:

Jesus is God's Son and the Almighty but at the same time the son of God is not the Almighty.🥴

sonmvayina:
does it mean you can't even read? is that what is there...

I have explained everything to you...
just to read what is written,you can't...

common English...
when the another people see that God is with Judah and Jerusalem, they will come there, so they can enjoy God's protection. They will also become God's people...and when this happens, people will know that it was God that sent Zachariah to them..... because what he has said is the truth and it has come to pass.
this is simple comprehension...no fall my hand , a beg.

Because you are beginning to insult my ability to read and understand, again, I used an unbiased AI to find who is speaking in those verses. The AI was not to explain any theology. Its only task was to explain the grammar and show who is speaking. Let's see how it goes.

Here is the prompt I used
Explain Zechariah 2:8-11, showing who is speaking in an unbiased way. Please do this independently, and do not refer to the works of other scholars or theologians. Just look at the context and grammar.

The Answer

To explain the speaker in Zechariah 2:8–11 independently, we must look at the "Person" (1st, 2nd, or 3rd) used in the Hebrew grammar. The complexity arises because the text shifts between someone who is sent and the One who sends, yet both appear to speak as the Divine.

Here is a breakdown based strictly on the linguistic flow of the passage.

1. The Divine Identity of the Speaker
In verse 8, the passage begins with:

"For thus said YHWH of Hosts..."

This establishes that the words following are the direct speech of the Deity. However, immediately after this introduction, the speaker says:

"...After the glory He [YHWH] has sent me to the nations..."

The Observation: The speaker is someone sent by YHWH, yet the introduction identifies the speech as YHWH’s. This creates a "double-identity" where the messenger speaks with the authority and first-person voice of the sender.

2. The Shift in Power (Verse 9)
In verse 9, the speaker says:

"For behold, I [the speaker] am waving my hand over them... and you shall know that YHWH of Hosts has sent me."

The Observation: The speaker claims to perform the action (waving the hand to judge nations), which is a power typically reserved for the Divine in Hebrew literature. Yet, the speaker concludes by saying this action will prove that he was "sent" by someone else (YHWH of Hosts).

3. The Indwelling Presence (Verses 10–11)
This is where the grammar becomes most distinct. The speaker says:

"I am coming and I will dwell in your midst—an utterance of YHWH."

And continues in Verse 11:

"And many nations shall join themselves to YHWH... and they shall be to Me for a people; and I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that YHWH of Hosts has sent me to you."

The Grammatical Tension:

Identity A: The speaker says "They shall be to Me for a people." In the Hebrew Bible, only YHWH claims a people as His own.

Identity B: The same "Me" says "YHWH of Hosts has sent me."

It seems I am not the one who has a problem understanding grammar

That was Gemini, now let's try ChatGPT. Remember, we are looking for the grammatical explanation, not your theology or mine.

Alright—let’s do this slowly, cleanly, and strictly from the text itself.
No outside theology. No scholars. No later interpretations.
Just context + grammar.

1️⃣ Immediate context (Zechariah 2)

Zechariah 2 is a vision scene:

Zechariah sees a man with a measuring line (v.1–5)

Jerusalem is promised protection and divine presence

From v.6 onward, speech begins and continues through v.13

So 2:8–11 is spoken speech, not narration.

2️⃣ Key question we must answer

Who is speaking in each part of 2:8–11?

We determine this by:

Pronouns (“I,” “me,” “He”)

Speech formulas (“declares YHWH”)

Repetition and shifts

3️⃣ Verse-by-verse grammatical analysis
🔹 Zechariah 2:8

“For thus says YHWH of hosts:
After glory, He sent me to the nations who plundered you,
for the one who touches you touches the pupil of His eye.”

Observations:

“Thus says YHWH of hosts” → YHWH is the authority behind the message

But then:

“He sent me” → the speaker is not YHWH

The speaker refers to YHWH in the third person

✅ Conclusion (v.:
The speaker is someone sent by YHWH, speaking about YHWH.

🔹 Zechariah 2:9

“For behold, I am about to wave My hand over them,
and they shall become spoil for those who served them.
Then you will know that YHWH of hosts has sent me.”

Observations:

“I” and “My” → same speaker as v.8

The speaker claims divine authority and action

Yet still says: “YHWH of hosts has sent me”

✅ Conclusion (v.9):
Same speaker continues:

Acts with divine power

Yet distinguishes himself from YHWH by being sent

🔹 Zechariah 2:10

“Sing and rejoice, daughter of Zion,
for behold, I am coming, and I will dwell in your midst,
declares YHWH.”

Observations:

“I am coming”

“I will dwell in your midst”

Then explicitly: “declares YHWH”

This creates tension:

The same “I” continues speaking

But the speech is now explicitly labeled as YHWH’s declaration

Grammar alone gives us two possibilities:

The speaker is now YHWH directly

Or the speaker is speaking YHWH’s words in first person

The text does not clarify which.

✅ Conclusion (v.10):
The speaker speaks with YHWH’s voice, using YHWH’s “I”.

🔹 Zechariah 2:11

“And many nations shall join themselves to YHWH in that day,
and they shall become My people.
And I will dwell in your midst,
and you shall know that YHWH of hosts has sent me to you.”

Observations:

“They will join themselves to YHWH” → YHWH spoken of in third person

“They will be My people” → speaker uses divine “My”

“I will dwell in your midst” → same promise as v.10

“YHWH of hosts has sent me to you” → speaker again distinguishes himself from YHWH

This is the same pattern as v.8–9, returning after v.10.

✅ Conclusion (v.11):
The speaker:

Claims divine presence (“I will dwell”)

Yet says he is sent by YHWH

4️⃣ Putting it all together (strictly from grammar)

From 2:8–11, the text presents:

✔ One continuous speaker who:

Is sent by YHWH

Speaks with divine authority

Performs divine actions

Uses YHWH’s first-person voice at times

Is distinguished from YHWH at other times

The text does not switch speakers explicitly.

5️⃣ What the text DOES say (facts only)

YHWH sends someone

That someone speaks

That someone says:

“I will dwell in your midst”

“YHWH has sent me”

Nations join YHWH, not the messenger

The people will know the sender by recognizing the sent one

6️⃣ What the text DOES NOT say

It does not explain how this works

It does not identify the speaker by name

It does not resolve the tension

It does not label this as metaphor, angel, or future figure

Those explanations would be interpretation, not grammar.

7️⃣ Final neutral summary

Zechariah 2:8–11 presents a single speaker who is sent by YHWH, yet speaks with YHWH’s authority and promises YHWH’s dwelling presence. The text intentionally maintains this duality without explanation.

That conclusion comes only from:

Pronouns

Speech formulas

Contextual continuity

No theology required.


Now, let us try Grok

Zechariah 2:8–11 (Hebrew verse numbering; in many English Bibles this is Zechariah 2:12–15 due to different verse division)
Here is a plain reading based only on the Hebrew text, its grammar, and the immediate context of the chapter. I will explain who is speaking verse by verse without adding any external interpretation.
Verse 8
Hebrew: כִּי כֹה אָמַר יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת אַחַר כָּבוֹד שְׁלָחַנִי אֶל־הַגּוֹיִם הַשֹּׁלְלִים אֶתְכֶם כִּי הַנֹּגֵעַ בָּכֶם נֹגֵעַ בְּאִישׁוֹן בַּתְעֵינוֹ
Literal: For thus says YHWH of hosts: After glory he-sent-me to the nations the-plundering you, for the-one-touching in-you touches in-the-pupil-of daughter-of his-eye.
Who is speaking?
The verse opens with the standard prophetic formula “thus says YHWH of hosts” (כֹּה אָמַר יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת), which means the prophet Zechariah is delivering a message from YHWH.
Immediately after that formula, the speaker changes to first person: “he sent me” (שְׁלָחַנִי).
So the speaker of the rest of the verse is someone who has been sent by YHWH of hosts.
Verse 9
Hebrew: כִּי הִנְנִי מֵנִיף אֶת־יָדִי עֲלֵיהֶם וְהָיוּ שָׁלָל לְעַבְדֵיהֶם וִידַעְתֶּם כִּי־יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת שְׁלָחָנִי
Literal: For behold-me I-raise my-hand upon-them and-they-shall-be plunder to-their-servants and-you-shall-know that YHWH of hosts sent-me.
Who is speaking?
Still the same first-person speaker (“I will raise my hand,” “sent me”).
The speaker is describing an action he will take against the plundering nations and says the result will be that “you shall know that YHWH of hosts sent me.”
Verse 10
Hebrew: רָנִּי וְשִׂמְחִי בַּת־צִיּוֹן כִּי הִנְנִי־בָא וְשָׁכַנְתִּי בְתוֹכֵךְ נְאֻם־יְהוָה
Literal: Shout-for-joy and-rejoice daughter-of Zion for behold-me coming and-I-will-dwell in-your-midst declaration-of YHWH.
Who is speaking?
The first-person speaker continues: “behold, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst.”
At the end of the verse the phrase “declaration of YHWH” (נְאֻם־יְהוָה) appears, which is a closing formula that marks the end of a divine speech. So this entire statement is presented as YHWH speaking through the sent one.
Verse 11
Hebrew: וְנִלְווּ גוֹיִם רַבִּים אֶל־יְהוָה בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא וְהָיוּ לִי לְעָם וְשָׁכַנְתִּי בְתוֹכֵךְ וְיָדַעַתְּ כִּי־יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת שְׁלָחַנִי אֵלָיִךְ
Literal: And-they-shall-join nations many to YHWH in-the-day the-that and-they-shall-be to-me for-people and-I-will-dwell in-your-midst and-you-shall-know that YHWH of hosts sent-me to-you.
Who is speaking?
The first-person speaker continues: “they shall be to Me for a people,” “I will dwell in your midst,” “YHWH of hosts sent Me to you.”
Again, the repeated phrase “sent me” (שְׁלָחַנִי) shows the speaker is the one who was sent.
Summary of who is speaking (based only on grammar and context)

The chapter begins with Zechariah receiving a message from YHWH.
Starting in verse 8, a new speaker appears who says “He [YHWH] sent me.”
This sent speaker continues through verses 8–11, speaking in the first person about raising his hand, coming, dwelling in Zion, and being known as the one sent by YHWH of hosts.
The speaker refers to YHWH in the third person (“YHWH of hosts sent me”) while also speaking actions that belong to YHWH (“I will dwell in your midst,” “they shall be to Me for a people”).
The grammar keeps the identity of the speaker as “the one sent by YHWH,” and the text does not explicitly name him beyond that description.

That is what the Hebrew words and sentence structure show on their own.

Please do me a favour and never insult my understanding again.

MaxInDHouse:
So apart from audio achievements like all other religions do claim what can we see as evidence of your Jesus in the midst of its worshipers?

Note that all types of religions also make claims that's not visible please mention one thing that everyone can see as proof of your Jesus!🙂

You asked the question:
What Has Jesus Achieved in the midst of Us His Children!?

I have answered you about the Achievement of the Lord Jesus Christ in my church and if you are not satisfied, too bad.


My response was Clear and Detailed, your dissatisfaction my be an indication that either
1. Your Jesus is completely different from my Jesus. If course, your Jesus is An Angel you call Michael
2. You don't even know the Achievement of the real Jesus Christ in the Life of His own.

This is an irreconcilable difference as Light and Darkness cannot coexist.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣Baba simply answer the question na.
So the "God" in Hebrews 1:8 did not mean "Almighty God"?

Apologize for telling lies!
Don't you have shame?


Have a nice day!

TenQ:
You asked the question:
What Has Jesus Achieved in the midst of Us His Children!?
I have answered you about the Achievement of the Lord Jesus Christ in my church and if you are not satisfied, too bad.
My response was Clear and Detailed, your dissatisfaction my be an indication that either
1. Your Jesus is completely different from my Jesus. If course, your Jesus is An Angel you call Michael
2. You don't even know the Achievement of the real Jesus Christ in the Life of His own.

This is an irreconcilable difference as Light and Darkness cannot coexist.

This is what my own Jesus said about his proof of existence in the midst of his disciples:

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another.  By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves. John 13:34-35

So our own Jesus is not our God rather he is our brother:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to MY BROTHERS and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." John 20:17

Our own Jesus is one of our brothers as in worshiper of our Father and God who is LOVE {1John 4:8} that's why he could confidently say if we are truly his friends LOVE will bind us together as one happy global family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

Of course everyone is talking about the LOVE that exists among Jehovah's Witnesses in fact when anyone loses his or her membership as one of us they are forever worried because instead of going out there to join thousands of other religions they keep complaining as they can never ever find a better replacement for the true believers in Christ!🙂