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| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by osayuwamwen(m): 9:47pm On Jan 29 |
Lol all the knowledge na here, Facebook and YouTube I gain am I nor come here to spoil anyone business, am just so excited moving to lithium, na from this thread I start my 12v solar journey 3years ago the luminous tabular battery still strong but I just wan go bigger and better Fremlin: |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:54pm On Jan 29 |
osayuwamwen:then it's too early to jubilate. wait for like 1-year first. Oyibo talk say "the taste of the pudding is in the eating" and they have their reasons for making such phrase |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Unfaized: 10:03pm On Jan 29 |
bassdow:Lol.... U be real mathemagician 😀😀😀 Coz wtf did you just do hahaha ![]() |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 10:07pm On Jan 29 |
Unfaized:just corrected it. na wetin you get while trying to multiTask on empty tummy + tired eyes. iirespective of accuracy of the figures, the concept remains same. Just understand your 24v 400ah battery gives 9,600wh WHILE a 48v 200ah battery gives same 9,600wh byeBye |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Unfaized: 10:11pm On Jan 29 |
bassdow:Take a break bro....coz wetin be this ? |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by AyobamiOluwole: 10:41pm On Jan 29 |
Bassdow You need to understand that a lot of us come from Science background and probably understand that physics better than you. The calculation you did there is just as useless as the P in Psychology; while trying to show smartness or whatever. 8Kwh Energy capacity of 24V beats 4Kwh of 48V any day anytime. It’s just like comparing someone who has 2 apples with someone that has 1 apple. My system of 8Kwh will run for 2days if your system of 4Kwh runs for 1 day. If you did not do that Maths and only stated that a 48V system has efficiency and wiring advantages over 24V then I wouldn’t have wasted time typing all this. This disadvantage is not a big deal if my 100Amps controller can completely charge my battery from 9am to 2pm without any issh. So what’s the fuse? Lols. |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 10:51pm On Jan 29 |
AyobamiOluwole:quite agree I'm trying to show smartNess, but you wey dey talk, what are you trying to prove ? hopefully not weakNess if una read my inital suggestion to comprehension, una no go dey ask unnecessary question(s). |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 10:57pm On Jan 29 |
Those spending over 1.5 million naira buying things brand new, ought not be buying like they're buying used item hence limited. A lot of times sef, we end up overSizng our battery bank. Once again, 48v 200Ah is better than 24v 400Ah. Feel free to argue but I'm off to bed. Should be back by say 3am or so in case anyOne is interested in increasing the number of pages of this thread. Sometimes person need deStress but at this time, my eye lids are falling in love with each other so let me let nature play it's role |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by adrusa: 11:22pm On Jan 29 |
AyobamiOluwole:Correct. Actually, when we talk of KWh, the voltage doesn't count. So, 8KWh at 1V is more than 4KWh at 1000V. I think the mistake is in thinking in terms of AH where the amount of KWh or energy is dependent on the voltage. 250AH at 48V will be more than 400AH at 24V for instance. But when we talk of KWH, the voltage and the AH had been factored in. So, the higher KWH always give more energy. However, 48V has some other ancillary advantages over 24V, but not in terms of overall energy. |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by AmazingG007: 12:47am On Jan 30 |
Thank you boss…what I’m being offered are brand new felicity products and I got another link and this are the prices 5kva felicity inverter for 450,000 5kwh felicity lithium battery for 900,000 570w jinko panel 110,000….are the prices fair enough or I can get a better price and again the felicity product is it reliable ??….I appreciate your contributions sir’s bassdow: |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by AmazingG007: 12:59am On Jan 30 |
Thank you sir….are you saying this Haisic product is more good than the felicity product because in term of price there almost at the same range I just want the best product in my budget range of 1.5 to 2m at max Unfaized: |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Unfaized: 2:31am On Jan 30*. Modified: 3:04am On Jan 30 |
AmazingG007:My recommendation is according to your budget sir. Felicity from your quote is 5kwh which is way less than 8kwh, while being more expensive @ 1m compared to 850 - 870k for more. An 8kwh battery will last you longer, almost twice what a 5kwh battery will do. (Also, do your research on Felicity lithium batteries bearing in mind true and actual capacity). That said, Haisic 8kwh is said to be 280ah which is actually 7kwh true capacity but is a far better deal. The best deal of all is Mrreed's @ 870k with true rated capacity of 8.1kwh. I'll recommend this from personal experience. Mind you, this recommendation is strictly on 24v, & from personal experience since your load is less than mine. There are other available products in the market that can serve you too but you probably need to up your budget above 2m. If you're going with my recommendations, you can contact Dam5rey (Solaris Surge) trusted here for your stuffs (Inverter, protection box & batteries ) at very good prices, then for Mrreed his contact is readily available too. Source panels from Fouani store, installer from your location and you're good. |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Unfaized: 2:43am On Jan 30 |
adrusa:Yes. A 48v system overall has it's advantages in terms of efficiency and wire cost (Which is negligible in a small system) however 8kwh 24v is double the energy capacity of 4kwh 48v and cannot be said to be better in any context as bassdow opined. The efficiency in this case is very negligible compared to losing precious energy back up by half. |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DkJay: 4:12am On Jan 30 |
AmazingG007:I deal almost exclusively with Felicity products. As far as reliable, you can bet on it. Ask your supplier how many years warranty your Felicity battery comes with. It should be at least 5 years. |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 5:21am On Jan 30 |
AmazingG007:Actually, since I'm not resident in your state, can't tell of prices. Would suggest you either go for different quotes and choose the best, or you go to felicity's office. Hope you're very much aware there are FAKE felicity products out there. Just like there are lots of solar panels with wrong stickers. Mind you, the installer mustn't be same person to do the BUYings. |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 6:01am On Jan 30*. Modified: 6:25am On Jan 30 |
At end of the day, anyOne who's getting started in Solar journey and spending from 2 million naira and above ought to start on good footing ELSE sooner or later, they realize their mistake(s) and would want to make amends ONLY at such stage, they would incur losses. Might have misCalculated last night due to my mental state (there's only how far one could cheat nature) BUT that doesn't change the fact you're better off with a battery of 48v 200ah THAN 24v @ 400ah especially since the switch from 12v to 24v; or from 24v to 48v ain't about changing the battery alone. When you get the foundation started this way, chances of having to sell off things to UPGRADE later on would be less. One could always add more or replace the battery in other to get (much) bigger capacity BUT if you have to upGrade, you must change some other things which ain't cheap. They might tell you for such a small system, 12v or 24v system is OKAY but what no one seem to be saying is - is the MONEY also small ? if 12v or 24v system is SMALL but the cost of acquisition is +2 million naira, then it's NOT small to most of us. Yea I know ₦2,000,000 is like ₦200 to some people BUT that population is a lot LESS than most. Another thing is, most times we tend to overSize our battery bank unnecessarily which though seem good BUT could lead to diminishing returns when done without adequate knowledge. yea having a batteryBank of 800Ah would give more peace of mind than 400Ah in certain situations BUT a lot of times, we do it the wrong way WHILE at other times, we need first invest those funds elsewhere to help make the system more efficient. I currently got extra 3 pcs of RiTAR 150AH battery which are not in use BUT for sake of preserving the batteries so they don't go bad, had to pair them with another hence now having 4pcs of 150Ah batteries in series giving 12v 600Ah BUT guess what, I only had to do that because leaving those batteries lying around would affect the batteries, not that I needed 300Ah let alone 600AH. Most of the power we need happen during the day and at Night, except those who use heavy appliances at night e.g AC , electric cooking stove, water heater, etc; we really don't need much at Night. Even to run heavy appliances more efficiently, you 're better off with 48v than with 24v. i personally run both 12v system and 48v system. The 12v system I run is because of specialized purpose and reasons. Marketers and those who wanna collect your moneies would tell you how Tubular or Lithium batteries could last for so so so number of years BUT they fail to give you the other variables involved. Like I often say in here, there's ever 1 looser and it's hardly the installer or the marketer or the seller or the whatEver; it's always the one doing the spending which is the customer most times. Most times, anyOne starting on clean slate with 24v system could almost always afford a 48v system. My 12v system is currently 600Ah but I don't need more than 200Ah for almost the entire day (assuming weather is so poor) because the bulk of the task are done during the day time and at night, when the battery is about 95% filled, rarely do I need up to 100amps the entire night. And mind you, I still have 12v system because of specialized needs + I don't even use an inverter for the 12v system, just solar panels + chargeController + batteries + load. See eh, you buying things and later selling them off in other to do what you ought to have done initially is actually a Good thing for the Frugal ones among us because it means the number of USEd items in market is high enough to keep prices down. the advantage of being in midst of people who have fallen and made mistakes in the past (ELDERs) is so you learn from them in other not to repeat such mistakes BUT either way, you learn the normal or hard way; na your choice |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 6:39am On Jan 30 |
AmazingG007:There's something I often tell people - when buying BRAND NEW solar panels, the minimum should be 500w (actually 550w) halfCut Mono. if setUp requires 1pcs of 200w or 250w, just buy used ones; if it requires more than 2pcs of such low wattage panels, then you need review such requirements as buying lots of such panels NEW/USEd becomes pennyWisePoundsFoolish. You need not even worry about originality because most times, those 200w and 250w and even 300w sef are not tampered with; just ensure it's got no burns or cracks which is super easy to detect. if your 2 million naira budget can't afford you a 48v system, better try combine NEW + USEd items to stay on 48v as from your load gan, sooner or later you would definitely have to upgrade. In anything, especially if you lack the right knowledge, the battery should always be brand NEW and ensure it's of quality. You don't always get what you pay for BUT what's provided. |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by adimx(m): 9:24am On Jan 30 |
bassdow:Guy! I deh get anger issue oh! Just because you want to make the guy feel stup1d with his LFP 12.8v battery purchase you are dishing out half baked calculations? Who d4k was your physics teacher? ![]() |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by adimx(m): 9:36am On Jan 30 |
bassdow:This was not your initial submission na. You were trying to say that 48v 4kwh battery is better than 24v 8kwh battery. Based on your present take, it is true because the two have same capacity/power, but 48v battery is more efficient on the bases of lesser current draw on same load thereby keeping the 48v battery temperature lower and extended lifespan than 24v battery. |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by AmazingG007: 9:51am On Jan 30 |
Thank you sir…being aware that there are fake felicity product is one of my biggest fear I don’t know if anyone can point me to felicity office in either Ibadan or even Lagos…. Again someone is saying product like Cworth,SMS, Deye,SuKam lvtopsun are better product than Felicity. I’m just so confused to be honest bassdow: |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Fremlin: 10:48am On Jan 30 |
January 10 made it 6 months since I installed my 4+kWh battery from Mrreed. So far so good. Thanks for his patience throughout the installation process (I too ask mumu questions) Also to Dam5rey who also put me through,thank you my oga |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 10:55am On Jan 30 |
adimx:you probably didn't read to comprehend or the NIGHT was getting a hold of you TOO. Once again, 48v 4kwh battery is better than 24v 8kwh battery except in rare situations. if you were patient enough to read through my initial suggestion, you would have seen where I said "to go for 48v version of the battery and if funds were an issue, should still go for the 48v battery even at half the amperage" . A times, when we're in a hurry to find fault, we tend to run faster than our minds. Ever seen what happens when the Ram of a PC is faster than it's motherBoard ? |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 11:13am On Jan 30 |
AmazingG007:Felicity has offices in lagos. I know one around Apple Junction at Ago Palce way, Okota area. if you could use google, should be able to locate if they've got offices in Ibadan or those with such knowledge could share. Also Felicity ain't really high quality BUT they are at least average enough + have lots of physical presence in the country. Felicity is like HP in computers - they are everyWhere hence repairs and parts readily available. Also with your budget, except going for used Inverters, a quality brand new inverter would gulp a large portion of that your big small budget. As for the person(s) who might have said or suggested "Cworth" , "SMS" as being more superior to Felicity, I don't wanna outrightly say they're mistaken since personally I haven't used them BUT have installed Cworth for a couple of clients BUT persoanlly, wouldn't recommend either of them. As for SuKam, they are powerful but a lot of them, especially the older versions ain't as efficient as most of the new versions of felicities you buy in their offices. Don't be mistaken, SuKam is a powerHorse BUT the old versions dey chop battery. Just be aware of that especially buying used inverters. Mind you, there are lots of fake suKam inverters also. in fact seems they have stopped manufacturing them not sure but there was a time I heard something around those lines. As for the likes of Deye inverters, except opportuned to see a cheap good one, don't forget your budget is just a small Big number. |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Drgreatone: 11:15am On Jan 30 |
Be wary of the 5kva felicity. So many fakes abound and Felicity has stopped making the model from my direct source. Its bin redesigned and upgraded to 6kva AmazingG007: |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 11:17am On Jan 30 |
Fremlin:when people trouble me with lots of questions, I tend to understand even when I shouldn't because me sef know myself. I don't mind spending 1,500 naira airtime on phone calls so long am getting information I believe is useFul especially since most people ain't interested in too much talk especially when money ain't involved. Some (actually few) are happy to help BUT most (including those wey no really get enough information to save their lives) would hurd it like their lives depends on it. So no worry, no question is muMu. 1 + 1 hard because you no sabi am BUT the moment you do, it becomes simple. |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by AmazingG007: 11:35am On Jan 30 |
Boss… Do Haisic have like 48v hybrid inverter 5kva Haisic 48v 5kwh Lithium battery since I will want to expand later I’m thinking 48v is what I should go for please help Unfaized: |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by AmazingG007: 11:37am On Jan 30 |
Wow! Thanks for the update…that means 5kva felicity inverter I’m being offering might be fake Drgreatone: |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Haykay2001: 12:04pm On Jan 30 |
If you are going 48v,just go for high end inverters ones jeje.. I will advice do Growatt the one with dual mppt almost lil below 600 pair with 5kwh if that what you can afford now, buy that and add up later when you level up.. And if you carry well well, just buy the deye.. It lil blow 800 currently.. All this ones go make ur mind kulle for ground... And if na 24v you wanna go for, follow what hv been said above.. You can also consider smk.. That invert no they make noise at all.. Super silent.. Although na 3.5kva unlike haisic and others sah way be 4.2...but i go still take am over other 24v any day sah.. Aside the high end ones.. Srne and co AmazingG007: |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Haykay2001: 12:05pm On Jan 30 |
My one kobo advice be this, distance yourself from anything made by feli feli.. Alaba own too plenty for market if you understand what i mean sah.. AmazingG007: |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by capnies: 12:20pm On Jan 30*. Modified: 1:17pm On Jan 30 |
fuckboys:THE POINT HES TRYING TO RAISE IS HOW CAN YOU GIVE THE DOD OF A LIFEPO4 BATTERY AT 60% THATS FOR LEAD-ACID BATTERIES APARANTLY WHAT HE HAS IN THERE IS LEAD-ACID THAT HE'S TRYING TO RUN AWAY FROM. AT 60% DOD IT SIMPLY MEANS HE BOUGHT ONLY 12.8X314=4019w x0.6=2411w Approx 2.4kwh of energy is what is available to use Instead of 4019x.8 or 4019x.9 which are 3.22kwh or 3.62kwh This is the cog No lifepo4 bms will place such a low DOD |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by capnies: 1:08pm On Jan 30 |
Please guys who has used TOMZN MCBs And SPDs How good are they |
| Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Unfaized: 2:00pm On Jan 30 |
AmazingG007:I am not sure about 48v Haisic hybrid inverter. Like someone gave an opinion above, when going 48v you have to go all out for the best else it defeats the purpose. There's Growatt, Srne, Felicity, Firman, Deye and the likes. Mind you 5kwh will most likely not be able to power you comfortably from Sundown to sun up, unless on very strict energy management. Quoting oga dollarnaira himself, solar na sense. So do your energy audit and know the battery capacity that will comfortably meet your needs. |
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