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Fenrir:
​You talk about "Software," "Dimensions," and "Prophets," but you are ignoring the data of the physical world we actually live in. If your "Software" (the Spirit) were functioning as intended in Nigeria, the results would look like the values found in the very Bible you quote. Instead, we see the complete opposite.
​Forced Conformity vs. Free Will. You demand "respect" and "obedience," but the Bible emphasizes a voluntary heart change (Joshua 24:15). Forcing religion through social pressure and tradition isn't "saving" anyone; it’s just indoctrination.
​Tradition over Truth: You prioritize man-made cultural customs (like the bride price/traditional rites) over actual spiritual or legal standing. Jesus specifically rebuked this in Mark 7:8, accusing people of "setting aside the commands of God to observe human traditions."
​"Big Man" Culture vs. Servant Leadership: In Nigeria, leadership is often about being served, carried, and feared. Yet, Jesus said in Matthew 20:26 that whoever wants to be great must be a servant. Your "Prophets" live like kings while the streets are full of suffering.
​Prayer as a Weapon vs. Love Your "Back to Sender" and "Holy Ghost Fire" prayers for enemies directly contradict Matthew 5:44, which commands you to love and pray for those who persecute you.
​The Fruit of the System: You claim Norway is "godless," yet it is a society of high trust, safety for women, and care for the poor. You claim Nigeria is "Godly," yet it struggles with systemic corruption, child abuse, and human rights violations.
If your God is real and your "software" is superior, why are the most "religious" societies often the most broken, and the "unbelieving" ones the most compassionate and functional? You are starving in a land you claim is blessed, while you criticize the people who actually built the "safe streets" you say God wants.

You are muddling up several things rather than the core of the issue.
You claimed not to believe in God aka what I will as a Christian call the Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything. This is the issue and not what you expect Him to do as God based on your own understanding.

Let me oblige you by going to the fundamental claims I made.

I will start from point ONE: follow the Science and the Logic!

1. 1. [s]You are the number one proof of God's existence.[/s] [s] You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature.[/s] A Building is the evidence of a Builder. A painting is the evidence of a Painter!

According to the Natural Laws is this statement bolded correct. Painting and Building are used from the point of view of SYSTEMS and not random arrangements.

A Computer is the Evidence of the Engineer!

Yes or No!

Just as what you think too has nothing to do with me so if you have issues with anyone face them and please don't involve me because i'm not interested in any discussion with people who have no regards for those taking the lead in sacred service!🙂

TenQ:
Whatever you think doesn't represent me either. It's easy to fight a Strawman and win.

MaxInDHouse:
Just as what you think too has nothing to do with me so if you have issues with anyone face them and please don't involve me because i'm not interested in any discussion with people who have no regards for those taking the lead in sacred service!🙂

So run off as usual!
I am not holding you.

The Truth is NEVER afraid of Scrutiny!

TenQ:
So run off as usual!
I am not holding you.
The Truth is NEVER afraid of Scrutiny!

Personal truth you mean?😂

Truth builds up a congregation so if you can't name the congregation your so called "TRUTH" had built i'm sorry for you!😂

MaxInDHouse:
Personal truth you mean?😂

Truth builds up a congregation so if you can't name the congregation your so called "TRUTH" had built i'm sorry for you!😂

All these after I answered your question!!?

So run off as usual!
I am not holding you.
The Truth is NEVER afraid of Scrutiny!

TenQ:
All these after I answered your question!!?

So run off as usual!
I am not holding you.
The Truth is NEVER afraid of Scrutiny!

You haven't answered:

What is the name of your church?😂

MaxInDHouse:
You haven't answered:

What is the name of your church?😂

What is wrong with you

TenQ:
I belong to "The Church of Jesus Christ" ( I won't tell you the city I reside but I am in Nigeria)

What Has Jesus Achieved in the midst of Us His Children!?
1. He Bought us with the costly Price of His Blood on the Cross and Adopted Us into Himself By His Spirit.
2. He Sealed us with His Spirit so that we become His Children
3. He made us Holy to Himself and Gave us His Spirit to lead us in Good Works
4. He Helped us to Nurture our Fruit of the Spirit by which our Character as His Ambassadors are nurtured and projected in the World
5. He gave us His Gifts of the Holy Spirit by which we are Empowered to Make Disciples of All nations, to Preach, to Heal the Sick and Cast out Demons as we go about Preaching the Good News to All Creations
6. He made Us His own Workmanship Created to do Good works for Him as we Represent Him Wherever we are
7. He made us to Love Him and one another as He has Loved us with a pure Love


So, above is the summary of what my Jesus has achieved in the midst of us who worship Him in Spirit and Truth!

Without Jesus, we are NOTHING!
In Jesus Christ we are made COMPLETE!

We still have some minor individual and personal shortcomings, BUT we are all work in-progress, and daily, we grow together Loving More of God and our Neighbours as ourselves.

We are ALL waiting for the second coming of Jesus Christ: so, we do the work of the ministry knowing that He will reward us according to our Faithfulness to our calling of Living a Life Worthy of His calling, Preaching the Good News and Making Disciples of all Creations.


I have nothing else to Add to this INFORMATION about the name of my church and what Jesus has achieved in the midst of us His worshipers?

Thank you for asking me of what the Lord Jesus Christ has Achieved in our Midst?

TenQ:
What is wrong with you

Surely you don't think before typing!

I'm living in the same place with those you call "elders"?

TenQ:
But it is good that you ask the other Elders to review these questions

If i'm not living in the same place or city with them so how come you believe we all have the same line of thought just as Jesus prayed for his real disciples {John 17:22} but you don't have anyone to relate with as your fellow believers?😂

MaxInDHouse:
Surely you don't think before typing!

I'm living in the same place with those you call "elders"?



If i'm not living in the same place or city with them so how come you believe we all have the same line of thought just as Jesus prayed for his real disciples {John 17:22} but you don't have anyone to relate with as your fellow believers?😂

It seems you don't study the scriptures to know as you've been told what to believe.

All I asked you to do is to study the bible. Is that a tall order to do?

TenQ:
It seems you don't study the scriptures to know as you've been told what to believe.
All I asked you to do is to study the bible. Is that a tall order to do?

Please quote the highlighted in your previous post to me on this thread?😂

TenQ:
Normally, I shouldn't respond to your question but I feel led to answer you without using scripture.


1. You are the number one proof of God's existence. You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature. A Building is the evidence of a Builder. A painting is the evidence of a Painter!
2. There is a scientific evidence that the universe had not being for ever, it has an age of about 13.6billion years old
3. There is a scientific evidence that time, space and matter appeared simultaneously at the origin of the universe expansion
4. There exist a scientific law of entropy that prevents you to self assemble from nothing
5. Because of entropy we know that the universe had not always existed.
6. There is a scientific law of cause and effect operating in the universe
7. Based on this, the Universe is the effect of a cause.
8. The cause must have happened before the universe, meaning that the cause CANNOT operate on any physical or chemical laws.
9. This Primary Cause is what for now we call the Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything .
10. This Cause must be Spaceless, Timeless, Matterless and Intelligent because every law of physics and chemistry came into being only after the universe came into being.

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If these are the ten points you were referring to, I agree with them (except that I dont believe that time and space were created by or at the moment of the big bang, I believe that time and space cannot be created).

Your challenge is how to move from the above to Christianity.

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote the highlighted in your previous post to me on this thread?😂

So when you are asked to answer questions based on Bible questions like

1. Can anyone see God?
2. Can God be in Heaven and on Earth concurrently?
3. Who was speaking in Heb1:8 to the Son?



You run off to consult the JW manual instead of the Bible!?

SMH!

TenQ:
You are muddling up several things rather than the core of the issue.
You claimed not to believe in God aka what I will as a Christian call the Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything. This is the issue and not what you expect Him to do as God based on your own understanding.

Let me oblige you by going to the fundamental claims I made.

I will start from point ONE: follow the Science and the Logic!

1. 1. [s]You are the number one proof of God's existence.[/s] [s] You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature.[/s] A Building is the evidence of a Builder. A painting is the evidence of a Painter!

According to the Natural Laws is this statement bolded correct. Painting and Building are used from the point of view of SYSTEMS and not random arrangements.

A Computer is the Evidence of the Engineer!

Yes or No!

The “Rectum as Blowhole” Hypothesis
A Design Flaw or Divine Troll?
Consider this.
If humans are semi-aquatic animals
(and let’s be honest, we kind of are. We’re 60% water, we pee in pools, and we love a good beach until the sunburn hits),
then Yahweh absolutely half assed the engineering.
Here’s the breakdown.
The Case for Rectal Respiration
Dolphins / Whales
Blowholes = evolutionary perfection.
One hole. Two functions. Breathing… and occasionally spraying water to confuse tourists.
Humans
Two holes (mouth + anus), but neither doubles as a snorkel.
Wasted. Potential.
The Fix
If Yahweh had just rotated the plumbing, we could’ve had:
Blowhole Mode
“Oh shit, I’m drowning” (clenches)
Now I’m breathing through my ass like a pro.
Bonus: solves the “don’t trust a fart” problem.
Gas exchange instead of social embarrassment.
Theological Justification
“And God said, ‘Let there be multipurpose orifices,’ and it was lit.”
(Genesis 1:21, Åberg Revision)
Why It Didn’t Happen
Yahweh was distracted
(probably arguing with Lucifer about free will again)
Divine humour
Imagine the first human doggy-paddling while inhaling through their butt.
“And on the 8th day, God laughed.”
The Fall’s hidden curse
Adam and Eve ate the apple and boom… no more aquatic dominance.
Now we’re stuck with gills that don’t work and a fear of sharks.
Semi Aquatic Human Evidence: We Were Meant to Be Better
We should be WAY better in water than we are. Exhibit A:
Babies can swim instinctively
(until society scares it out of them with “What if you drown?”)
We love floating
Pools. Bathtubs. The Dead Sea. Anywhere we can pretend gravity isn’t real
(because gravity is a scam)
We pee in water
No shame. Zero shame.
If dolphins can do it, so can we.
We invented boats
Because walking is boring and flying is cheating.
Conclusion
We’re failed mermaids.
Yahweh gave us the desire for water but forgot the upgrades.
The Nigerian Angle: Why This Theory WILL Especially Piss Them Off
If I dropped this take in a Lagos bar…
The Religious:
“Blasphemy! God’s design is perfect!”
My comeback:
“Then why do we drown in a mammal’s natural habitat?
Checkmate, theologians.”
The ‘Science’ Guys:
“Evolution, bro! We evolved from land mammals!”
My comeback:
“So you’re telling me millions of years of evolution and the best we got is webbed toes that don’t even work?
That’s lazier than a Nigerian civil servant.”
The Traditionalists:
“Our ancestors respected water! They didn’t question it!”
My comeback:
“Your ancestors also sold people into slavery, so let’s not put them on a pedestal, yeah?”
Nigerian Hypocrisy Bonus
They’ll pray about it:
“God, why did you curse us with weak swimming?”
But won’t learn to swim:
“The pool is cold!”
Me:
“So you’d rather drown than be uncomfortable for 20 minutes?
That tracks.”
The Real Question: Divine Malice or Just Bad Coding?
Let’s weigh the options.
Divine Malice
Yahweh wanted us to suffer
“Let them struggle in water, it’s character-building”
Explains why we love beaches but can’t live there
Evidence: the Bible is full of drowning stories
(Noah’s Ark = generational trauma)
Bad Coding
Yahweh forgot to patch us
“Oops, the gills module didn’t compile”
Explains why cramps exist
Evidence, we sweat in water. Who designed that?
Verdict
It’s both.
Yahweh is a chaotic-neutral programmer.
Brilliant ideas. Zero QA testing.
The Åberg Solution: DIY Evolution
Since Yahweh won’t fix it, here’s how we hack the system,
Start a cult
“The Church of Rectal Respiration”
Slogan: Breathe Deep. Let It Out.
Train your body
Daily enema practice
(for “blowhole readiness”)
Pitch it to Nigerians
“Bro, no more drowning. Just clench and breathe.”
Them: “Is it halal?”
Me: “Does drowning sound halal to you?”
Profit
Sell “Holy Butt Plugs” (patent pending) as spiritual snorkels.
The Deeper Truth I’m Actually Digging At
This isn’t about blowholes.
It’s about,
The arbitrary rules of existence
Why are we THIS close to being aquatic gods but stuck with paper thin skin and fear of jellyfish?
The hypocrisy of “intelligent design”
If we’re so special, why did Yahweh give ducks waterproof feathers but give us goosebumps?
The Nigerian habit of ignoring the obvious
They’ll pray for a miracle but won’t learn to swim
Just like they’ll demand tradition but ignore its flaws.
I’m pissed because the tools for freedom
(or at least not drowning)
are right there.
And people still choose the cage.
Whether it’s wedding traditions, religious dogma, or just refusing to learn how not to sink.
Final Thought
Yes. Yahweh absolutely intended us to be semi-aquatic demigods.
But He forgot to push the update.
The rectum could have been the blowhole
if not for the Fall, lazy evolution, or divine trolling.
Your move.
Social media test announcement
Test the theory (report back with results)
Pitch it as the ultimate japa hack
Because if you can’t swim to Europe,
breathing through your ass is the next best thing.

With who do you agree on your conclusions regarding your questions?

If you don't agree with anyone what makes you think i will agree with you?

Or do you think i'm interested in some aimless arguments that you always engage with random people?😂

TenQ:
So when you are asked to answer questions based on Bible questions like
1. Can anyone see God?
2. Can God be in Heaven and on Earth concurrently?
3. Who was speaking in Heb1:8 to the Son?
You run off to consult the JW manual instead of the Bible!?
SMH!

DeepSight:
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If these are the ten points you were referring to, I agree with them (except that I dont believe that time and space were created by or at the moment of the big bang, I believe that time and space cannot be created).

Your challenge is how to move from the above to Christianity.

The logic is this
Time is irrelevant without matter
Matter cannot exist without space
Space without matter is meaningless as there isn't any dimensions by which it can be defined.

Can you ask any AI the question:
According to science, did time, space and matter appear simultaneously at the origin of the universe?

I'll like to know the answer

MaxInDHouse:
With who do you agree on your conclusions regarding your questions?

If you don't agree with anyone what makes you think i will agree with you?

Or do you think i'm interested in some aimless arguments that you always engage with random people?😂

Ask your fellow elders and open your bible as you discuss.

Unfortunately, topics like these are not discussed by your publications, thus, you cannot independently open the Bible!


SMH!

Have a nice day!!

TenQ:
The logic is this
Time is irrelevant without matter
Matter cannot exist without space
Space without matter is meaningless as there isn't any dimensions by which it can be defined.

Can you ask any AI the question:
According to science, did time, space and matter appear simultaneously at the origin of the universe?

I'll like to know the answer

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I know the scientific position. I just dont agree with it and have debated that point on this forum as far back as 2010 - 16 years ago.

https://www.nairaland.com/577313/thehomer-now-lets-discuss-big

Your challenge as to how to prove Christianity still remains.

TenQ:
You are muddling up several things rather than the core of the issue.
You claimed not to believe in God aka what I will as a Christian call the Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything. This is the issue and not what you expect Him to do as God based on your own understanding.

Let me oblige you by going to the fundamental claims I made.

I will start from point ONE: follow the Science and the Logic!

1. 1. [s]You are the number one proof of God's existence.[/s] [s] You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature.[/s] A Building is the evidence of a Builder. A painting is the evidence of a Painter!

According to the Natural Laws is this statement bolded correct. Painting and Building are used from the point of view of SYSTEMS and not random arrangements.

A Computer is the Evidence of the Engineer!

Yes or No!

I answered ALL of your questions, stop being lazy and a hypocrite. Go read it and quote it.

Get over your narcissistic arrogance.

TenQ:
You are muddling up several things rather than the core of the issue.
You claimed not to believe in God aka what I will as a Christian call the Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything. This is the issue and not what you expect Him to do as God based on your own understanding.

Let me oblige you by going to the fundamental claims I made.

I will start from point ONE: follow the Science and the Logic!

1. 1. [s]You are the number one proof of God's existence.[/s] [s] You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature.[/s] A Building is the evidence of a Builder. A painting is the evidence of a Painter!

According to the Natural Laws is this statement bolded correct. Painting and Building are used from the point of view of SYSTEMS and not random arrangements.

A Computer is the Evidence of the Engineer!

Yes or No!

And i did not claim to be an atheist I DIRECTLY outright told you im atheist. See the narcissistic attitude of the men in this country.

DeepSight:
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I know the scientific position. I just dont agree with it and have debated that point on this forum as far back as 2010 - 16 years ago.

https://www.nairaland.com/577313/thehomer-now-lets-discuss-big

Your challenge as to how to prove Christianity still remains.

So, which of my points do you disagree with?

I have not attempted to prove the Christian God at all.

All I have established is that it is LOGICAL and even SCIENTIFIC to conclude that an Intelligent Uncaused-First-Cause created the Universe AND this Uncaused-First-Cause cannot be made of Matter and cannot be subject to the Physical and Chemical Laws.

Except for being Obstinate, there exist no other plausible conclusion.

The question of WHO this Uncaused-First-Cause is another question entirely!

Fenrir:
And i did not claim to be an atheist I DIRECTLY outright told you im atheist. See the narcissistic attitude of the men in this country.

Do you disagree that there are different shades of Atheism?

Some call themselves Agnostics, others are Satanists....

TenQ:
So, which of my points do you disagree with?

I have not attempted to prove the Christian God at all.

All I have established is that it is LOGICAL and even SCIENTIFIC to conclude that an Intelligent Uncaused-First-Cause created the Universe AND this Uncaused-First-Cause cannot be made of Matter and cannot be subject to the Physical and Chemical Laws.

Except for being Obstinate, there exist no other plausible conclusion.

The question of WHO this Uncaused-First-Cause is another question entirely!

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I have no issues with this argument and have made it myself many times.

I just want to know how you proceed from this to Jesus.

Fenrir:
I answered ALL of your questions, stop being lazy and a hypocrite. Go read it and quote it.

Get over your narcissistic arrogance.

Sorry,
Pick a point and trash it out.

What you claimed are strawman arguments, insinuating what I never said and jumping to your own conclusion.

Let me give you an example
1. You said:

Fenrir:
None of that is evidence its belief and no more

Is this TRUE?

2. Extracts from your thesis.

Fenrir:
The Scandi atheist deconstruction........
First problem: “A building proves a builder, therefore the universe proves God.”


Second problem: “The universe is about 13.6 billion years old, therefore it had a beginning, therefore God.”


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TenQ check mate and you claim i didn't read your passive aggressive nonsense

Sorry!
This is NOT how to make your case if you have ANY.

Never once did I make an argument and conclude that "THEREFORE GOD" not once as you are reading the God of the Gaps into my claims.

My claims are PROGRESSIVE REASONINGS based on Current Scientific Knowledge AND Logic to arrive at the Causing Source of the Universe that I called the Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything and I said this Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything is what we Christians call God!


If you have any argument, pick my points One at a Time and answer questions relating to it.
Until then, sorry! I think my points were numbered carefully for you to disprove the scientific and logical fallacy each contains. You can then look at the implications of each if it is True

TenQ:
Do you disagree that there are different shades of Atheism?

Some call themselves Agnostics, others are Satanists....

I never said differently but I get to define the atheist I am

And I went to war SO PEOPLE HAD THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY WANT

show me 1 Nigerian man that will fight for my beliefs? Because I gave blood for yours

and you dont even practice Christianity since you scream your traditions are mandatory in a lie, both the Bible and Quran directly tell you not to do that and it makes you a selective hypocrite.

DeepSight:
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I have no issues with this argument and have made it myself many times.

I just want to know how you proceed from this to Jesus.

I guess I have to ask you this question first.

If you believe in an Intelligent Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything who operates outside the physical and chemical laws,
Who do you think He is?

TenQ:
I guess I have to ask you this question first.

If you believe in an Intelligent Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything who operates outside the physical and chemical laws,
Who do you think He is?

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I think it is unknowable.

Fenrir:
I never said differently but I get to define the atheist I am

And I went to war SO PEOPLE HAD THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY WANT

show me 1 Nigerian man that will fight for my beliefs? Because I gave blood for yours

and you dont even practice Christianity since you scream your traditions are mandatory in a lie, both the Bible and Quran directly tell you not to do that and it makes you a selective hypocrite.

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Fabu Master.

Fenrir:
I never said differently but I get to define the atheist I am

And I went to war SO PEOPLE HAD THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY WANT

show me 1 Nigerian man that will fight for my beliefs? Because I gave blood for yours

and you dont even practice Christianity since you scream your traditions are mandatory in a lie, both the Bible and Quran directly tell you not to do that and it makes you a selective hypocrite.

I don't even seem to know you as this thread is the first I can recall where we have conversed.
..and you seem to know that I don't practice Christianity and I claim that my traditions are mandatory in a lie.

You have the Right to whatever you want to believe
BUT
1. Is your position the naked Truth?
2. You have the freedom of thought and choice, but are you free from the consequences of your choice


Do you agree with me that
I will be wickedness on the part of God if He forces you who despise and reject Him to be with Him for Eternity?
Shouldn't He allow you your space you yourself and your kind in a place where you are forgotten by Him?

God actually offers you this above. The choice is yours to make.

TenQ:
Sorry,
Pick a point and trash it out.

What you claimed are strawman arguments, insinuating what I never said and jumping to your own conclusion.

Let me give you an example
1. You said:


Is this TRUE?

2. Extracts from your thesis.


Sorry!
This is NOT how to make your case if you have ANY.

Never once did I make an argument and conclude that "THEREFORE GOD" not once as you are reading the God of the Gaps into my claims.

My claims are PROGRESSIVE REASONINGS based on Current Scientific Knowledge AND Logic to arrive at the Causing Source of the Universe that I called the Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything and I said this Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything is what we Christians call God!


If you have any argument, pick my points One at a Time and answer questions relating to it.
Until then, sorry! I think my points were numbered carefully for you to disprove the scientific and logical fallacy each contains. You can then look at the implications of each if it is True

See, cherry-picking out of context the typical trick of Nigerian men

Proof you lost, I answered everything in 1 go, you cherry-pick and twist it.


Now I must implore you to neutralise your current penchant for this galling and grandiloquent banter lest I am provoked to disintegrate your logic with a relentless salvo of esoteric philosophical fragments and pray do not misinterpret my discourse as blowing big grammar i am simply facilitating a rigorous anatomical dissection of your current rhetorical fallacies

TenQ:
Ask your fellow elders and open your bible as you discuss.
Unfortunately, topics like these are not discussed by your publications, thus, you cannot independently open the Bible!
SMH!
Have a nice day!!

You see the reason why you don't worth engaging me in such a discussion?

You want me to talk about what i shared with my brothers in sacred service but you don't respect such arrangements yet you feel i should engage you in such a serious discussion.🙂

DeepSight:
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I think it is unknowable.

I agree with you.

God is truely unknowable UNLESS He reveals Himself to us.

We get to know who God is through some men He had chosen from the Land of Israel: from Abraham to the Apostles of Jesus. Records abound in the Bible.

Each one of us Christians then bond in a union of Relationship with God by our individual personal and subjective experience of Him. Thus we can say, we know this God reported by His prophets personally.

MaxInDHouse:
You see the reason why you don't worth engaging me in such a discussion?

You want me to talk about what i shared with my brothers in sacred service but you don't respect such arrangements yet you feel i should engage you in such a serious discussion.

You don't have to engage with me. I think we concluded about that. Discuss the questions with your fellow elders using your Bible as a guide.

Is it too much to ask?