₦airaland Forum

Gajagojo:
These are not per capita figures

They do not buttress your claim

You know the population of NW to SE. It is 3 to 1. You can calculate the per Capita VAT and it will show you the SE is higher than the NW.

lawani:
You know the population of NW to SE. It is 3 to 1. You can calculate the per Capita VAT and it will show you the SE is higher than the NW.

You go explain explain explain


No evidence

ariesbull:
Igbo should go and develop their regions ...I don't get it! Igbo region is the most developed regions in Nigeria ...I know you Yoruba haven't been to Igbo land before ...the only thing is that the Igbo region don't tax their people to hell with VAT and IGR...why do that when you are sure of money from the federation account

This is Igbo cities of Aba and Onitsha ...please show me any city in the whole of South West or Niger Delta that is as developed and built up like this or do you think those living here can't pay VAT ....

THEIR LEADERSHIP MODEL IS DEIFFERNT.....don't over burden your people with taxation let the SW and ND do that for them

So in your mind these pictures prove something?

They prove nothing

I ha e been to Onitsha
Some areas cannae described as RURAL

most of these storey buildings you are showing tell us where there get water from?
Do they have running water with sewage systems

It is only a person who has not been there you can bamboozle
The built up area in Onitsha is Tiny . What is the size of Onitsha? Name the higher institutions there
Onitsha is a filthy place
These storey buildings STINK

repeat they smell foul very bad air with very fifty stress full of garbage and wait for it

PIGs
So when you say people don't travel we know Onitsha inside out . There are pigs everywhere
Ibadan is about 80% The size of Anambra state

You cannot compare Ibadan to Enugu which is the best best city In the region followed by Owerri

All these storey buildings mean nothing

They are filthy and stinking
No water no sewage management

Gajagojo:
So in your mind these pictures prove something?

They prove nothing

I ha e been to Onitsha
Some areas cannae described as RURAL

most of these storey buildings you are showing tell us where there get water from?
Do they have running water with sewage systems

It is only a person who has not been there you can bamboozle
The built up area in Onitsha is Tiny . What is the size of Onitsha? Name the higher institutions there
Onitsha is a filthy place
These storey buildings STINK

repeat they smell foul very bad air with very fifty stress full of garbage and wait for it

PIGs
So when you say people don't travel we know Onitsha inside out . There are pigs everywhere
Ibadan is about 80% The size of Anambra state

You cannot compare Ibadan to Enugu which is the best best city In the region followed by Owerri

All these storey buildings mean nothing

They are filthy and stinking
No water no sewage management

Where is rural in Onitsha.... Even the whole Anambra there is no rural areas... Abeg where is your state let's compare the picture ...at least I know oat states in southern Nigeria

Be proud call your state

ariesbull:
Where is rural in Onitsha.... Even the whole Anambra there is no rural areas... Abeg where is your state let's compare the picture ...at least I know oat states in southern Nigeria

Be proud call your state

Lol a place in a so called town with no electricity?
Does everyone have electricity in Onitsha
Does every community have roads
Imagine claiming there is no rural area

Your level of conceit is amusing

Gajagojo:
Lol a place in a so called town with no electricity?
Does everyone have electricity in Onitsha
Does every community have roads
Imagine claiming there is no rural area

Your level of conceit is amusing

You are using your village to compare Anambra ....Anambra is the second most urbanised state in Nigeria after Lagos

Not only Onitsha...every place has electricity in Anambra ...no dey argue wetin you don't know ...even till now Shane no let you call your state


I no even talk your village ... This is Onitsha ,not even the state capital

Akwamkpuruamu:
VAT simply means U de tax Ur people too much

...... and the people are economically buoyant enough to pay the taxes. In most cases, people don't pay what they don't earn as taxes. You are taxed based on your financial level.
We both know none of you would be playing this prime Sergio Ramos if the tables were turned and it was the North that were the 'parasites' feeding on the sweat of other regions .
Yes, high VAT ultimately connotes high economic growth and activities and efficient tax-collection system and isn't this just common sense? . It's no coincidence that places like the New York, Lagos, Oyo, Kano and Rivers all have high VATs and what exactly do these places have in common? The answer is that they are all Economic giants and Powerhouses.
Make your region welcoming to investors. Make it secure and stop being hostile. Hostility is the greatest enemy of economic progress.
Also, educate your people on the importance of staying back home to develop home. Mass emigration from a place is a pointer to the fact that it's a barren land while immigration shows prosperity. People naturally troop to places and lands that promise prosperity and growth and the SW and the Northern Nigeria States of Kano and Kaduna are perfect examples.

Gajagojo:
So in your mind these pictures prove something?

They prove nothing

I ha e been to Onitsha
Some areas cannae described as RURAL

most of these storey buildings you are showing tell us where there get water from?
Do they have running water with sewage systems

It is only a person who has not been there you can bamboozle
The built up area in Onitsha is Tiny . What is the size of Onitsha? Name the higher institutions there
Onitsha is a filthy place
These storey buildings STINK

repeat they smell foul very bad air with very fifty stress full of garbage and wait for it

PIGs
So when you say people don't travel we know Onitsha inside out . There are pigs everywhere
Ibadan is about 80% The size of Anambra state

You cannot compare Ibadan to Enugu which is the best best city In the region followed by Owerri

All these storey buildings mean nothing

They are filthy and stinking
No water no sewage management

As of today this is the Lagos that stinks ...thank lord that NYSC corp member said that Lagos stinks even IsoSpeed demonstrated the stickiness stinking Lagos ...bro leave story

Akwamkpuruamu:
VAT simply means U de tax Ur people too much

exactly...

ariesbull:
You are using your village to compare Anambra ....Anambra is the second most urbanised state in Nigeria after Lagos

Not only Onitsha...every place has electricity in Anambra ...no dey argue wetin you don't know ...even till now Shane no let you call your state


I no even talk your village ... This is Onitsha ,not even the state capital

What is the size of Onitsha?

Those pictures are not impressive to me
They prove nothing
There are pigs on those streets

Pigs
Onitsha is the dirtiest place on earth
Anyone from Onitsha or Aba should come and deny that they don't live with pigs

Gajagojo:
What is the size of Onitsha?

Those pictures are not impressive to me
They prove nothing
There are pigs on those streets

Pigs
Onitsha is the dirtiest place on earth
Anyone from Onitsha or Aba should come and deny that they don't live with pigs

Yoruba cities that is noted for being dirty ....

ariesbull:
Yoruba cities that is noted for being dirty ....

Dirtiest city on earth Onitsha and Aba

PHIPEX:
Nope, you are wrong. If you buy a anything from a company, you will pay VAT but if you buy something from a trader you will not pay tax. It doesn't mean the company sells have more value.

Traders and economic activities in the East do not align with VAT because it makes their products more expensive..

Why do people celebrate that they are heavily taxed in a country like Nigeria? It beats my imagination.

Are the people paying the Tax crying so far the people celebrating it are paying there taxes and not complaining you don't have the right to tell them what they should celebrate...


With how high UK tax are people still wants to die there....


For you to even be under any bracket of taxes it shows you're making a progress a jobless person can't pay tax..

inoki247:
Are the people paying the Tax crying so far the people celebrating it are paying there taxes and not complaining you don't have the right to tell them what they should celebrate...


With how high UK tax are people still wants to die there....


For you to even be under any bracket of taxes it shows you're making a progress a jobless person can't pay tax..

The people who pay high taxes should not c9nsider themselves more progressive than those who paid less, that's the point.

Do you get same value from Nigeria govt as similar person who paid high tax to UK govt. We are being short changed in Nigeria

PHIPEX:
The people who pay high taxes should not c9nsider themselves more progressive than those who paid less, that's the point.

Do you get same value from Nigeria govt as similar person who paid high tax to UK govt. We are being short changed in Nigeria

The people paying the high tax haven't had any reason to move to the one that pay lower.


So why're you crying on there behalf....


With the lower tax people should be migrating in droves to the state that pay lower instead reverse is the case...


And if truly the states that pays lower are doing a business turn over of 100m yearly they will still pay the tax..

You can't do 100m yearly and you calling that progressing and try to compare yourself with someone who makes the number easily...



If truly is by lower tax SE should be filled up right now and not the other way.round...

inoki247:
The people paying the high tax haven't had any reason to move to the one that pay lower.


So why're you crying on there behalf....


With the lower tax people should be migrating in droves to the state that pay lower instead reverse is the case...


And if truly the states that pays lower are doing a business turn over of 100m yearly they will still pay the tax..

You can't do 100m yearly and you calling that progressing and try to compare yourself with someone who makes the number easily...



If truly is by lower tax SE should be filled up right now and not the other way.round...

How do you determine filled up? A region that is around the size of Oyo state but containing around 20 million people is filled up by Oyo state standards.

lawani:
You know the population of NW to SE. It is 3 to 1. You can calculate the per Capita VAT and it will show you the SE is higher than the NW.

Another explanation

I don't know

Igbophobia:
This is a non issue considering Igbo are the most enterprising tribe in Africa. Africa o...not Nigeria.

You don't compare apples with oranges.

What confuses many of you Igbos listening to Nigerian government's anti-Igbo rhetoric and marginalization is you're unaware that there's nothing like Southeast with respect to Igbo nation. Nigeria politically sequestered marginal Igbo clans into 8 different states to minify Igbo influence and cheat us with fake statistics and data. But a day of reckoning is coming.

Spreading the igbo nation into 13 states with only central Igbo land termed SE is their cheat sheet. Igbo considering decades of punitive action juxtaposed with our accomplishment are head and shoulders ahead of our adversaries.

Igbo haters from the SW would tell you there are no Igbo in the so-called SS, but if you ask them why they joined Fulani to hate on Igbo and call the January 66 coup led by a SS Igbo an Igbo coup, they'll be confused. No be confused entities them be?

my question is, what prompted you to ask those questions on your screenshot from AI
“Which tribe is the wisest in Africa”

lawani:
How do you determine filled up? A region that is around the size of Oyo state but containing around 20 million people is filled up by Oyo state standards.

If we are to go by you people explanation Oyo state isn't supposed to have 20m people since they're over taxed by the Govt the state no suppose remain reach 1m like this..


The 19m suppose don move to the state with lesser tax...

inoki247:
If we are to go by you people explanation Oyo state isn't supposed to have 20m people since they're over taxed by the Govt the state no suppose remain reach 1m like this..


The 19m suppose don move to the state with lesser tax...

You people demand too much from the SE when the total population is less than Kano state. NIN data shows clearly that the SE is 80 percent of Lagos in population. Oyo and Ogun have around the same population as the SE. If they have half of NW VAT it means they are doing well.

lawani:
You people demand too much from the SE when the total population is less than Kano state. NIN data shows clearly that the SE is 80 percent of Lagos in population. Oyo and Ogun have around the same population as the SE. If they have half of NW VAT it means they are doing well.

Not only 80%, make it 95%. Do you guys even believe what you type? We have 5 Yoruba states, Kwara State is predominantly Yoruba and kogi West is about 20% of kogi state. All these states are less than 300 miles from Lagos, but you believe people that travel twice the distance are 80% of the total population of Lagos? If you think igbo people are much in Lagos, let me break your heart, you'll rarely find a single family in yorubaland where at least one person out of them is not in Lagos with his/her family. How do you reconcile this your bogus figure with the fact that we still have hausas and other ethnic groups in Lagos?
Oga, the only reason Lagos can even be 50% igbo is if 40% of the SE population is emptied into the state.

DeOTR:
Not only 80%, make it 95%. Do you guys even believe what you type? We have 5 Yoruba states, Kwara State is predominantly Yoruba and kogi West is about 20% of kogi state. All these states are less than 300 miles from Lagos, but you believe people that travel twice the distance are 80% of the total population of Lagos? If you think igbo people are much in Lagos, let me break your heart, you'll rarely find a single family in yorubaland where at least one person out of them is not in Lagos with his/her family. How do you reconcile this your bogus figure with the fact that we still have hausas and other ethnic groups in Lagos?
Oga, the only reason Lagos can even be 50% igbo is if 40% of the SE population is emptied into the state.

I didn't say Igbo population in Lagos. I said the population of the SE is eighty percent of Lagos population according to NIN data. If Lagos is 23 million then the 5 SE states will be less than 20 million. That will also be less than Kano state yet you people expect the region to do well in VAT generation. Oyo and Ogun together are about thesame population as the entire 5 states in the SE.

OnionBandit:
lol! you go explain and defend tire. We all know you wouldnt have put this up if it were your favourite "leeches" at the bottom of the table 😂

The simple reasons the south East will forever be at the bottom of the table are :

1. They are everywhere, scattered like broken beads. Most of their businesses aren't located in the East

2. The south East is not attractive for investment. Insecurity, intolerance and so on..

This is saying it as it is!

Where did u get the data that the south east is unsafe for investment? The available statistics clearly shows the south east as the safest region in nigeria it currently has the lowest kidnapping rate compared to other regions one major factor the poster failed to take note of is the years of political and infrastructural marginalisation that have slowed development in the south east since after the biafran war.

Mrexcell:
Where did u get the data that the south east is unsafe for investment? The available statistics clearly shows the south east as the safest region in nigeria it currently has the lowest kidnapping rate compared to other regions one major factor the poster failed to take note of is the years of political and infrastructural marginalisation that have slowed development in the south east since after the biafran war.

Lowest kidnapping incidence not rate

lawani:
I didn't say Igbo population in Lagos. I said the population of the SE is eighty percent of Lagos population according to NIN data. If Lagos is 23 million then the 5 SE states will be less than 20 million. That will also be less than Kano state yet you people expect the region to do well in VAT generation. Oyo and Ogun together are about thesame population as the entire 5 states in the SE.

OK. Sorry I read that wrongly.

AustineE1:
Uga ignorance is costly,try and learn,not depending on statistics that are meaningless . Why not ask yourself why inspite of the low VAT collected in the south east,yet they have the least poverty ratio,have lowest number of out of school children,have lowest number of unemployed,have the highest number of educated people,have more developed rural area than any region in west Africa,have more states that are cleaner than other regions,according to statistics etc.
If you blink you miss out.

Can I answer you? Yes let me try.

1. The southeast is the smallest region with landmass roughly the size of Oyo state and it receives five allocations from FGN meaning it receives more per square km more than any other region in Nigeria and have more money to build public infrastructure including schools, health centers , roads etc. So the current % to total population of the Southeast should be around 12%.
2. Its the region with net migration, so because a high % of its population are involved in Nigeria's supply chain, their remittance to population is very high and this is attested by the level of residential housing developments you can see. While this is good, it also means the region is dependent on consumers who are largely living outside of the region which is why the issue of relocating their businesses home may not work because others will occupy that vacuum and it will end in losses.
3. When you look at contribution to the economy in VAT etc, VAT captures formal areas of the economy but the informal sector is very huge above 40% in Nigeria(may be 60%) and VAT does not play into these e.g. when you buy pure water in traffic, no VAT is paid but if you buy same in eatery yo do pay VAT. If we are to include those segments, we may have something like below:

Zone Share of National Consumption 3-Year Consumption ($bn)
South West (incl. Lagos) 32% $320bn
North West 21% $210bn
North Central 14% $140bn
South East 12% $120bn
South South 11% $110bn
North East 10% $100bn
Nigeria Total 100% $1,000bn

4. The Southeast may have the highest per capital consumption due to a small share of the population just below the Lagos metropolitan areas however, the consumption values for NW is higher due to more population but far lower per capita capacity.
5. This shows that the SE businesses are less formal and their production capacity is about 10% of national output below Northcentral at about 11% due to large farm outputs and about 15% by Northwest due to largely farm and commerce around Kaduna and Kano. These estimates covers farm and non farm economic output. SS is second like 25% due to oil and gas.


Data does not lie and its not emotional. VAT does not capture all consumptions but its a pointer to the money and consumption capacity, modernization and attracts capital because those are data investors can relate to.

I hope this helps.

mandarin:
Can I answer you? Yes let me try.

1. The southeast is the smallest region with landmass roughly the size of Oyo state and it receives five allocations from FGN meaning it receives more per square km more than any other region in Nigeria and have more money to build public infrastructure including schools, health centers , roads etc. So the current % to total population of the Southeast should be around 12%.
2. Its the region with net migration, so because a high % of its population are involved in Nigeria's supply chain, their remittance to population is very high and this is attested by the level of residential housing developments you can see. While this is good, it also means the region is dependent on consumers who are largely living outside of the region which is why the issue of relocating their businesses home may not work because others will occupy that vacuum and it will end in losses.
3. When you look at contribution to the economy in VAT etc, VAT captures formal areas of the economy but the informal sector is very huge above 40% in Nigeria(may be 60%) and VAT does not play into these e.g. when you buy pure water in traffic, no VAT is paid but if you buy same in eatery yo do pay VAT. If we are to include those segments, we may have something like below:

Zone Share of National Consumption 3-Year Consumption ($bn)
South West (incl. Lagos) 32% $320bn
North West 21% $210bn
North Central 14% $140bn
South East 12% $120bn
South South 11% $110bn
North East 10% $100bn
Nigeria Total 100% $1,000bn

4. The Southeast may have the highest per capital consumption due to a small share of the population just below the Lagos metropolitan areas however, the consumption values for NW is higher due to more population but far lower per capita capacity.
5. This shows that the SE businesses are less formal and their production capacity is about 10% of national output below Northcentral at about 11% due to large farm outputs and about 15% by Northwest due to largely farm and commerce around Kaduna and Kano. These estimates covers farm and non farm economic output. SS is second like 25% due to oil and gas.


Data does not lie and its not emotional. VAT does not capture all consumptions but its a pointer to the money and consumption capacity, modernization and attracts capital because those are data investors can relate to.

I hope this helps.

Your analysis is sound but consumption in the SE can not exceed that of the SS. The population of the SS is more than 130 percent of the SE. Compare the cities in the two zones.

Data shows that the North consumes more cement than the South. I therefore believe the SW can not be so much bigger than the NW in consumption

These are pictures stolen by that guy upstairs saying that it is SE.
It is not WE but Yaba Oyingbo axis built by Yorubas who dominate the place 98%.