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Brendaniel:
Do I need to be a medical doctor or a pharmacist to know, suggest, or do the right thing?

Absolute right thing? NO....Right thing in a technical field?YES

You have to have a sound knowledge of a particular thing before having an opinion

nairalanda1:
All those things don't work.

(I work in medicine.)

I don't like to boast! I believe in the efficacy of natural remedy. I don't do pharmaceutical drugs.

nairalanda1:
And what you posted is dangerous misinformation.

I've already posted elsehwere what should be done when there is a snakebite re first aid.

You want to compare someone with real life experience like me to you that relies on info you gather on internet via AI? Oga, seeing they say is believing. I'm speaking from experience, not from internet info.

EDUECO:
I don't like to boast! I believe in the efficacy of natural remedy. I don't do pharmaceutical drugs.

Seriously, regardless of your belief, all that does not work.

Unless you can produce a randomised controlled trial of your cures vs snake antivenom, showing that your cures do better compared to ASV, then we can say that your cures work.

So please do it if you got any rct results available. I don't object to it. I want to use things that work for patients .

richiemcgold:
You want to compare someone with real life experience like me to you that relies on info you gather on internet via AI? Oga, seeing they say is believing. I'm speaking from experience, not from internet info.

Okay, from my real life experience, snake antivenom works, traditional cures do not.

Basic123:
Absolute right thing? NO....Right thing in a technical field?YES

You have to have a sound knowledge of a particular thing before having an opinion

So suggesting free anti venom in all primary health care centers means what to you?

Oh dear, I think it's high time they wipe off snakes off the surface if the earth, they are too creeepy and scares the hell outta me

nairalanda1:
Okay, from my real life experience, snake antivenom works, traditional cures do not.

Oga why you dey fall my hand na? Did I ever mention cure? I said traditional first aid. Gosh! Some people sef. And you call yourself medical practitioner. Probably a wack. I did not ever say traditional cure, I said traditional first aid. For instance, give the victim one or two fresh walnuts to chew before rushing him to hospital. It will suppress the power of the venom for some minutes. Is that too much for you to understand? This will be my last reply. Bye

dominique:
How are they administered? Through injection or ingestion? I'm genuinely curious.

You eat some and make incision around the bite area in order to apply some to it.

nairalanda1:
The hospital she was admitted into gave her antivenom. THEY HAD ANTIVENOM.

She was also bitten by a cobra. Cobra venom is very toxic and even when ASV is given, the patient can still die.

We should be focusing on speed of response here.

Also, there is a scarcity of antivenom. Major pharma companies don't want to manufacture it for Africa because it is too expensive.

Expensive for Nigeria government to purchase for its citizens ABI? But they can budget millions of naira worth of food for themselves in aso rock. Pure Non- sense talk! Don't try and create an excuse for governments carelessness in handling sensitive issue's like this. No Nigerian should die to snake bite even if the antivenon cost #2million per one in this modern world because Nigeria has the money to get these various anti venom massively into the country.

Dogalmighty17:
Nothing like natural anti-venom. If a venomous snake bites you, a countdown to your death has started. Eating cupious amounts of all you listed above will do little to help you.

Let me ask you a question:

What is the function of the anti venom administered in the medical centres?

nairalanda1:
And it didn't have it because sadly we don't have enough...due to major pharma companies not making it in large enough quantities for it to be widely available.

It's also very expensive and rarely used and also expires. Also, to administer it requires special training according to BBC

jaephoenix:
Bitter kola etc don't have enough anitvenin to counter the inoculum from the snake,and even some of them don't have any antivenin properties

What is the function of anti venom?

Just give the answer before I can school you more on what you don't know.

What you don't know is far greater than what you know.

Corrections:
Expensive for Nigeria government to purchase for its citizens ABI? But they can budget millions of naira worth of food for themselves in aso rock.

The overall problem is that the antivenom is not easily available, even if government wanted to purchase it. There is a 'scarcity' due to the fact that major pharmaceutical companies don't make antivenom for the African continent.

There is a Nigerian research group that has produced two antivenim, which one was very likely used to treat the patient. Unfortunately they can't produce large amounts for the country, but what they produce is avaiable in teaching hospitals, and in areas of high incidence like Plateau state.

Your government needs to sit up, but the problem is way beyond bad government.

richiemcgold:
Oga why you dey fall my hand na? Did I ever mention cure? I said traditional first aid. Gosh! Some people sef. And you call yourself medical practitioner. Probably a wack. I did not ever say traditional cure, I said traditional first aid. For instance, give the victim one or two fresh walnuts to chew before rushing him to hospital. It will suppress the power of the venom for some minutes. Is that too much for you to understand? This will be my last reply. Bye

I just told you that from my personal experience, your cures don't work at all, even as first aid, and you are getting angry like this?

I was following your example, old man.

richiemcgold:
Oga why you dey fall my hand na? Did I ever mention cure? I said traditional first aid. Gosh! Some people sef. And you call yourself medical practitioner. Probably a wack. I did not ever say traditional cure, I said traditional first aid. For instance, give the victim one or two fresh walnuts to chew before rushing him to hospital. It will suppress the power of the venom for some minutes. Is that too much for you to understand? This will be my last reply. Bye

Don't mind the half educated modern health practitioners.To them ,there is nothing like alternative cure.

The greatest and most potent medicines are from roots and herbs.Pharmaceutical medicines have more side effects than natural medicines.

Failed state , where the medical staff care less of human life.

The way theses hospital staff behave to patience on that country will make you wonder wat a country is that.


Everything boils down to failed leadership


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PlasmaTV:
You can LIE!
Cheee

There is scarcity of anti-venoms. Some hospitals don't even have.

Btw, who is at fault for the JOHESU strike? Shouldn't the visiting president do something about it?

Excuse me sir! Who are you calling "Visiting President"? You don't have respect or what? A whole T-Baba is a VISITING PRESIDENT? Chai... Naija is no longer his home

Brendaniel:
So suggesting free anti venom in all primary health care centers means what to you?

Its means you dont know that anti-venom is not on the WHO essential drug list for a primary care as its costly,practically,making it available at that level may be impossible because each snake species has its own antivenom.One may cost as much as 100k,reason why its mostly found in few big tertiary hospitals and big pharmacies.

FreeStuffsNG:
There's no scarcity.

It's the strike by Association of Healthcare Professionals and JOHESU


Smh.

You're obviously ignorant about the subject.

All you how to do is insult, even those as old as your grandparents.

Snake Antivenom will be in Pharmacies, not hospitals.

Almost all government hospitals have pharmacies, so are you saying this reporter is ignorant too?

nairalanda1:
True that, but the snake anti-venom shortage is a problem that is not just 'our country'

A problem found worldwide or a problem reserved for Nigerians?

DrAda:
A problem found worldwide or a problem reserved for Nigerians?

African problem

The quote below gives a summary of the problem.

Why are there shortages of antivenom?


In the 1990s, Behringwerke, a German pharmaceutical company, stopped making its popular antivenom. A few years later, it was clear that sub-Saharan Africa was experiencing a shortage of reasonably priced and efficient antivenom.

Then in 2016, the French company Sanofi Pasteur stopped making one of Africa’s most trusted antivenoms, FavAfrique. Another company, South African Vaccine Producers, raised prices beyond what most healthcare systems could afford and became increasingly difficult to find.

Indian manufacturers moved to fill the gaps others left behind, offering products much cheaper than FavAfrique. There were deadly consequences.

In Ghana, fatality rates jumped. The death rate went from less than 2% to more than 10% in 2004 after hospitals switched to a cheaper antivenom.

In 2023, Kenya's medical authorities were forced to recall ineffective antivenom imported from India, leaving hospitals scrambling for alternatives. When the Bureau of Investigative Journalism tested Indian antivenoms, most were ineffective for African snakes, although one performed relatively well.

IN Nigeria, the echitab study group does make antivenim, just not enough for it to be ;everywhere'...but they did sign a MOU with a pharma company in 2024 to make more commercially

FreeStuffsNG:
There's no scarcity.

It's the strike by Association of Healthcare Professionals and JOHESU


Smh.

You're obviously ignorant about the subject.

All you how to do is insult, even those as old as your grandparents.

Snake Antivenom will be in Pharmacies, not hospitals.

Hospitals have Pharmacies and if the pharmacies don't have it then the the hospitals don't have it,what's with the academic exercise of where it's kept?

stuffs2002:
Na lie... They work and they have been working long before orthodox medicine came to Nigeria. The only problem is the standardisation and some traditional medicine people being fake

Working and about 2000 people in the rural areas of Nigeria die every year? But I’m sure you’re the only one who knows the real traditional medicine that cures envenomation while the 2000 that died last year didn’t.
Anyone who understands the difference between an ingested substance and an injected substance will immediately realize why drinking anything for a snake bite that was delivered deep into your tissue is completely useless!

Basic123:
Its means you dont know that anti-venom is not on the WHO essential drug list for a primary care as its costly,practically,making it available at that level may be impossible because each snake species has its own antivenom.One may cost as much as 100k,reason why its mostly found in few big tertiary hospitals and big pharmacies.

I just checked it and you are right, but I advise you go and read my previous post , that's why I used the word earlier on

https://www.nairaland.com/8610937/giant-cobra-crawls-out-toilet#138341163

I already had a suspicion it will be costly which was why I gave the suggestion in my previous post on how the FG could reduce the cost, and most importantly target areas with high incident of such cases, there are states like Niger state that might take anyone bitten more than an hour to get to an FMC or tertiary hospital which time may not be available for the victim to survive.

Once again thank you for the information and update but you could have passed your message better without throwing insults, I only made a very good suggestion that you should have just given a simple reply, even the person I replied I did not insult him, neither did I insult the FG or State government, which is what you should have done with your information, anyway thanks.

motymop:
So one person died because of snake bite so now everyone is affected.

It is now looking like an ad for snake venom

Cure your ignorance.

RandomFellow:
Excuse me sir! Who are you calling "Visiting President"? You don't have respect or what? A whole T-Baba is a VISITING PRESIDENT? Chai... Naija is no longer his home

E enter abi🤣🤣🤣
Isn't he a visiting president?

EDUECO:
You eat some and make incision around the bite area in order to apply some to it.

This shows you know absolutely fvck all about how a venom works.What will applying anything on the surface of the skin do to a substance that was injected directly into your bloodstream for goodness sake! What can you apply on the skin to stop a drug that was injected into your vein or muscle tissue?
Do you even know the difference between an ingested substance and an injected substance?
When you ingest any substance, it will get to your stomach and the highly concentrated acid in your stomach will try to break it down and neutralize it, and even if there’s an active compound in the herbal substance it will lose its efficacy when the acid acts on it. Then it will travel gradually to your small intestines before being absorbed into your bloodstream. But an injected substance is already on a private jet to your organs via capillaries, veins and arteries. Even if by any chance the traditional medicine has some efficacy and survives the gastric acid, it will be too slow to get to the venom already coursing through your bloodstream.

Do you get it now?

Unfortunately, most state governors are busy commissioning flyovers even in areas where they are unnecessary. This speaks volume of their inadequacies.
I appreciate their initiative to establish their vision 2050 with flyover but not at the essence of basic medical supplies as antivenom and other basics across human existence e.g. education, power/energy, etc.

Imagine what it'd be if government can dedicate the cost of building one useless flyover to building low cost housing for low income earners.

Imagine what it'd be if government can dedicate the cost of a flyover to training 100 students in medical courses annually from admission to convocation on the basis of 10 years mandatory service to the state medical sector with no option of opting out of the agreement except if a minimum of 6 years service has been fulfilled. This terms can be made public with names and photographs of indigenous beneficiaries published for fairness to government and applicants.

Imagine what it'd be if government can dedicate the cost of one flyover to employing stem teachers for public schools via the corridors of the state colleges of education so that trans-generational empowerment can be sustained.

Imagine what it'd be like if government can dedicate the cost of one flyover to train apprentices and skilled workers with 5 basic olevel passes as minimum qualification (for efficiency) in a dedicated institution based entity where plumbers, electricians and mechanics, bricklayers, etc are trained with such hubs being the supply chain for all government projects.

Imagine even that rich and beautiful initiative in your head if government can adopt it too.


I really hope we get our priorities right someday.
Stanzy_keksman@yahoo.com

Basic123:
You are not making sense

Why can’t you just separate politics from real knowledge??

You Nigerians will just bẹ having opinion in what you know nothing about.

Have yoy heared of essential drugs list?

Do you know several hospitals in New york may not have anti-malaria?

Do you know each snake type has its own anti-venom?

Do you know how expensive it is to produce anti-venom?

Everything is interpreted from Tinubu,APC,ADC bla bla lense to you.

Just read all you wrote. It contradict yourself. You just state why anti-venom is in scarcity but that political apc attack dog said there is no scarcity.

AkpaMgbor:
This shows you know absolutely fvck all about how a venom works.What will applying anything on the surface of the skin do to a substance that was injected directly into your bloodstream for goodness sake! What can you apply on the skin to stop a drug that was injected into your vein or muscle tissue?
Do you even know the difference between an ingested substance and an injected substance?
When you ingest any substance, it will get to your stomach and the highly concentrated acid in your stomach will try to break it down and neutralize it, and even if there’s an active compound in the herbal substance it will lose its efficacy when the acid acts on it. Then it will travel gradually to your small intestines before being absorbed into your bloodstream. But an injected substance is already on a private jet to your organs via capillaries, veins and arteries. Even if by any chance the traditional medicine has some efficacy and survives the gastric acid, it will be too slow to get to the venom already coursing through your bloodstream.

Do you get it now?

Mr Einstein!

So,tell me how the pharmaceutical chemical or drug gets to your blood stream when you swallow it?

Since I became an adult,I only take natural food and medicine. I don't eat packaged food or drinks ,and as such I am in good health.