₦airaland Forum

budaatum:
Who is crying foul? Disco?

Trust me when I tell you it's for show, because I am very certain they are making you cry more by increasing your band tariff.

Or are they not increasing your band tariff and your crying?

Lol Na meter by passing go use head carryam, after all Na my meter I bought it, installed transformer, electric poles and wires, so free light ba sure. Some in my area still do wire hanging till date.

Jakarta:
Ogbeni you go hard to teach oh!!! You don't make a dime without delivering the service, MTN first erected the mast after which they transferred the cost to the paying customers. Why didn't MTN ask same customer to erect the mast themselves and still charge them for the cost of erection, in such a scenario if you were a customer will you agree?

Why will customers pay for erecting the mast? Na me and customer de form company to do business for profit?

Jakarta, of course I don't make a dime without delivering the service! Dangote did not make a dime until he completed his refinery, and I will not make a dime until I get my gari to market and in front of customers. But as soon as I finish building my refinery and get my gari to market in front of customer, I sure will charge customer all the cost of interest on the loan for building my gari refinery and erecting mast to deliver it to my customers who will pay over time or just go buy their gari elsewhere!

Trust me. I am very hard to be taught this your nonsense reasoning. In fact, it's impossible!

Jakarta:
Lol Na meter by passing go use head carryam, after all Na my meter I bought it, installed transformer, electric poles and wires, so free light ba sure. Some in my area still do wire hanging till date.

Until I catch you stealing my product of course, and charge you to court for theft, and slap you with estimated bill covering the period you were stealing it plus interest.

Like I said, the better hunter you become the better I will learn to fly.

budaatum:
Until I catch you stealing my product of course, and charge you to court for theft, and slap you with estimated bill covering the period you were stealing it plus interest.

Like I said, the better hunter you become the better I will learn to fly.

Until then, but stop crying foul till then lol!!

MrPOTUS:
Lol

Very true.

My own now, I bought about 200 units around that Christmas period last year and light was steady. But January light was crappy and very unstable.

Na the units I still dey use and it's still over 120 units.

But if it was post paid (estimated bill), I for pay for December, still pay for January darkness

Mr nairalanda1 just dey cap like say no be Nigeria we dey

I must come and remove that your prepaid meter, because it's making it impossible for me to rob you with estimated bill. But I won't because you at least pay, and because you are honest with me so I must deal fair with you.

Jakarta, on the other hand, thinks he's smart, and is "by passing and installing transformer, electric poles and wires", so he can steal my light, because some in his "area still do wire hanging till date" and he thinks I will never catch him.

One day go be one day, Jakarta. You wait and see.

Jakarta:
Until then, but stop crying foul till then lol!!

Jakarta, I am not crying foul. And even if I was, it's definitely not because of the little light of my gari you steal when some, like government, are stealing trailer loads.

budaatum:
Why will customers pay for erecting the mast? Na me and customer de form company to do business for profit?

Jakarta, of course I don't make a dime without delivering the service! Dangote did not make a dime until he completed his refinery, and I will not make a dime until I get my gari to market and in front of customers. But as soon as I finish building my refinery and get my gari to market in front of customer, I sure will charge customer all the cost of interest on the loan for building my gari refinery and erecting mast to deliver it to my customers who will pay over time or just go buy their gari elsewhere!

Trust me. I am very hard to be taught this your nonsense reasoning. In fact, it's impossible!

At the bolded, can you please help me ask Disco? No you shouldn't have finished the building, you should have waited for your customers to finish building it for you, and sticking it with garri so that you can sell same garri to them and still make profit.

Can you now settle down and read what you wrote gently? Isn't this what I've been saying all this while? Provide the electric poles, transformers, wires, meters, then transfer the cost to your customers as service rendered. Not expecting customers to provide all this and still expecting to charge them on it, that is stealing not business. Why this thing hard for you to understand?

Jakarta:
At the bolded, can you please help me ask Disco? No you shouldn't have finished the building, you should have waited for your customers to finish building it for you, and sticking it with garri so that you can sell same garri to them and still make profit.

Can you now settle down and read what you wrote gently? Isn't this what I've been saying all this while? Provide the electric poles, transformers, wires, meters, then transfer the cost to your customers as service rendered. Not expecting customers to provide all this and still expecting to charge them on it, that is stealing not business. Why this thing hard for you to understand?

No, Jakarta, that is not what you have been saying all along, and electric is different to mast.

Disco can not ask you to pay for a service they can not sell you. Like say no transformer or electric pole in your street, they can not just come bring you bill.

Unfortunately, Nigeria is wọwọ like that, so they can tell you to pay for pole to your house, and even transformer on your street, because of people like you who just steal the electric. That's how bird disco flies when you are stealing, and how they make you pay for your theft. Or did you think your theft was free and your theft had no consequences?

budaatum:
No, Jakarta, that is not what you have been saying all along, and electric is different to mast.

Disco can not ask you to pay for a service they can not sell you. Like say no transformer or electric pole in your street, they can not just come bring you bill.

Unfortunately, Nigeria is wọwọ like that, so they can tell you to pay for pole to your house, and even transformer on your street, because of people like you who just steal the electric. That's how bird disco flies when you are stealing, and how they make you pay for your theft. Or did you think your theft was free and your theft had no consequences?

A business man with your mindset will not succeed in business. See you shouting stealing, when all your comments was about stealing from your customers. What make you think only you can steal from customers and not vice versa? For every action there is a reaction. If as a DisCo you can't meet up your primary responsibility of distributing power to my house (service delivered) my handling that responsibility for you should result to some form of compensation from you. But if you think that you are smarter and want to make profits at my own detriment, then 2 can play the game it as simple as that. I recommend you don't run a business with this your mindset, because you will end up crumbling that business and receive serious beating from your customers. A farmer who planted Okra and expecting to harvest a Dangote trailer of yam, will almost end up not getting even a a cup of Okra.

Jakarta:
A business man with your mindset will not succeed in business. See you shouting stealing, when all your comments was about stealing from your customers. What make you think only you can steal from customers and not vice versa? For every action there is a reaction. If as a DisCo you can't meet up your primary responsibility of distributing power to my house (service delivered) my handling that responsibility for you should result to some form of compensation from you. But if you think that you are smarter and want to make profits at my own detriment, then 2 can play the game it as simple as that. I recommend you don't run a business with this your mindset, because you will end up crumbling that business and receive serious beating from your customers. A farmer who planted Okra and expecting to harvest a Dangote trailer of yam, will almost end up not getting even a a cup of Okra.

More than two is playing this game is the point.

Discos are thieves. They are robbing you when they make you pay for transformers and meter and poles and send you estimated bills, get that in your head.

You are a thief too. You are stealing when you connect wire and steal electricity, get that in your head too. And be patient, because it's not the accusation you think it is because your stealing is very small and insignificant.

You must have read the link I posted that government owes discos ₦4.4T. Basically government is stealing from discos so discos are stealing from you who elected that government by making you pay for poles and transformer and your meter, which is theft.

If government paid discos, that same government will be in a position to protect you from disco stealing from you. But we elect thieves. And those thieves can not hold the discos accountable. And the discos have no incentive to provide us with light they know we will steal. And to reduce their loss due to theft, they steal from you by making you pay for their infrastructure up front because they can.

The consequence of all this theft and stealing is of course darkness. Because, no matter how much you steal, you can't have light when there isn't any to steal. And to be sincere with you, that's the greatest theft, and from you not having light. Because you not having light is a theft of your potential and all you could have done if you did have light.

Solution? Elect government that pays its electric bill so they can stop discos from stealing from you so you don't use disco theft as an excuse for being a thief. Because disco is obviously recuperating its investment and profit and loss due to theft from somewhere, and it's by stealing from you by making you pay for poles and transformer and meter and by increasing the payment of those who pay their bill, or the discos wouldn't be in business anymore. It really is that simple. Funny thing is, for government to pay its bill, it must steal from you in the form of tax. But I guess that's nation building for you. Someone must steal from someone.

Now, this all is not about you personally stealing, because I do understand why you would steal. I steal too because my disco is so useless that it has to steal from me to mitigate its losses due to its incompetence of not having government pay their bill. I have an old meter in one of my homes that I can wind back so it reads less, and I make sure it is read every month when I'm home so I can get a bill.

What the South Africa disco have done is basically tell the Nigeria High Commission to not steal their electricity and just pay their bill or be in darkness. And I hope we learn from them one day because our theft has consequences and darkness is not cheap.

As for my business, I don't do theft business that discos do, and neither does Dangote. We deliver our service and we get paid. And that pay covers investment and refinery building and expenses of getting my gari to market and a decent profit on top, because that is what good business is. And we don't let thieves steal from us neither, and even hedge for loss due to those who might steal from us, because I am definitely not going to let my business get ruined due to theft like the discos are not letting theirs.

Omoawoke:
The greatest enemy of the black man is the black man

South Africans blacks are the worst set of blacks to exist in the history of blacks..

Same people that were treated like animals in their own country by minority whites while other black countries stood for them, they are filled with so much hate and look for the slightest opportunity to embarrass, show hatred and violence to other black Africans

After you embarassed yourselves in front of the whole world,BEGGING a 21 year-old IShowSpeed for money one would think you learned a thing or two from that.You have been exposed as a begging nation.

And what do you propose the suitable penalty to be for those who don't pay for the city's utilities,just let them operate for free? You truly have a stinking entitlement mentality.. South Africa is not Nigeria,buddy!

Jakarta:
What is the primary duty of a DisCo? And how should asking discos to perform its duties translates to asking for free power? You are the one arguing to reap where you did not sow.

Nothing is free, oga. Nothing is free.

Please make una no amuse me today

MrPOTUS:
Why can't they distribute or sell prepaid meters to everyone so everybody will pay reflective bills?

You think they don't prefer people using estimated bill where they perfectly sell their darkness

In all honesty I do agree with you

But the palaver is , most people on prepaid meters do bypass them. 68% of them according to the responsible regulator

GOATandYAMtheory:
Lol! na why your people full our state be that na. How many of una fit stay Hoebi state? I fit swear say you and your paRpaR no dey your state of origin right now

You don carry matter from throwing go corner kick.

Its not my fault that you aren't exposed enough to travel. That's the reason for your myopic thinking.

Go to the north; go to Kaduna, Kano, Benue, Taraba and see a lot of Yoruba's everywhere.

Especially Kaduna. Too uneducated to see that all tribes travel everywhere.

Money wey dem take train you go school, dem for use am established Pig farm. Better ROI to be honest.

nairalanda1:
Nothing is free, oga. Nothing is free.

Please make una no amuse me today

You are just running round circles aimlessly.

Jakarta:
You are just running round circles aimlessly.

Actually, you are the one doing it.

You want discos to supply you electricity at a rate that is 'cheap' , which in the real world isnt how it works

If discos are not making a profit, that means there won't be enough money to give you good power supply

Better face reality son.

Good morning

budaatum:
More than two is playing this game is the point.

Discos are thieves. They are robbing you when they make you pay for transformers and meter and poles and send you estimated bills, get that in your head.

You are a thief too. You are stealing when you connect wire and steal electricity, get that in your head too. And be patient, because it's not the accusation you think it is because your stealing is very small and insignificant.

You must have read the link I posted that government owes discos ₦4.4T. Basically government is stealing from discos so discos are stealing from you who elected that government by making you pay for poles and transformer and your meter, which is theft.

If government paid discos, that same government will be in a position to protect you from disco stealing from you. But we elect thieves. And those thieves can not hold the discos accountable. And the discos have no incentive to provide us with light they know we will steal. And to reduce their loss due to theft, they steal from you by making you pay for their infrastructure up front because they can.

The consequence of all this theft and stealing is of course darkness. Because, no matter how much you steal, you can't have light when there isn't any to steal. And to be sincere with you, that's the greatest theft, and from you not having light. Because you not having light is a theft of your potential and all you could have done if you did have light.

Solution? Elect government that pays its electric bill so they can stop discos from stealing from you so you don't use disco theft as an excuse for being a thief. Because disco is obviously recuperating its investment and profit and loss due to theft from somewhere, and it's by stealing from you by making you pay for poles and transformer and meter and by increasing the payment of those who pay their bill, or the discos wouldn't be in business anymore. It really is that simple. Funny thing is, for government to pay its bill, it must steal from you in the form of tax. But I guess that's nation building for you. Someone must steal from someone.

Now, this all is not about you personally stealing, because I do understand why you would steal. I steal too because my disco is so useless that it has to steal from me to mitigate its losses due to its incompetence of not having government pay their bill. I have an old meter in one of my homes that I can wind back so it reads less, and I make sure it is read every month when I'm home so I can get a bill.

What the South Africa disco have done is basically tell the Nigeria High Commission to not steal their electricity and just pay their bill or be in darkness. And I hope we learn from them one day because our theft has consequences and darkness is not cheap.

As for my business, I don't do theft business that discos do, and neither does Dangote. We deliver our service and we get paid. And that pay covers investment and refinery building and expenses of getting my gari to market and a decent profit on top, because that is what good business is. And we don't let thieves steal from us neither, and even hedge for loss due to those who might steal from us, because I am definitely not going to let my business get ruined due to theft like the discos are not letting theirs.

What stops Nigerians Discos from disconnecting governments that don't pay their bills? Are you even reading your own comments, If Discos play their part, why shouldn't I play mine?

nairalanda1:
Actually, you are the one doing it.

You want discos to supply you electricity at a rate that is 'cheap' , which in the real world isnt how it works

If discos are not making a profit, that means there won't be enough money to give you good power supply

Better face reality son.

Good morning

Is ₦209.50 above cost reflective tarrifs or not? I pay you way above cost reflective tarrifs, and you still want me to handle your responsibilities of providing transformers, poles, cables, and handle the cost of maintaining them, who is the thief here, and who is wanting to reap where he did not sow? You are the one running from reality.

Dbegining:
You don carry matter from throwing go corner kick.

Its not my fault that you aren't exposed enough to travel. That's the reason for your myopic thinking.

Go to the north; go to Kaduna, Kano, Benue, Taraba and see a lot of Yoruba's everywhere.

Especially Kaduna. Too uneducated to see that all tribes travel everywhere.

Money wey dem take train you go school, dem for use am established Pig farm. Better ROI to be honest.

We no dey chop pig for our place. No better ROI for this environment. Except they establish the pig farm in the East

Jakarta:
Is ₦209.50 above cost reflective tarrifs or not? I pay you way above cost reflective tarrifs, and you still want me to handle your responsibilities of providing transformers, poles, cables, and handle the cost of maintaining them, who is the thief here, and who is wanting to reap where he did not sow? You are the one running from reality.

You are part of the 20% paying cost reflective tarrifs, and most of us do not pay cost reflcetive tarrifs or pay at all

So, how are discos expected to make profit when they lose money because only a minority pay cost reflective tarrifs?

See the problem, or be as if you don't want to see it.

Good morning. I end it here.

Omoawoke:
The greatest enemy of the black man is the black man

South Africans blacks are the worst set of blacks to exist in the history of blacks..

Same people that were treated like animals in their own country by minority whites while other black countries stood for them, they are filled with so much hate and look for the slightest opportunity to embarrass, show hatred and violence to other black Africans

You're talking absolute BS.. you're playing victim even when there's no need..

nairalanda1:
You are part of the 20% paying cost reflective tarrifs, and most of us do not pay cost reflcetive tarrifs or pay at all

So, how are discos expected to make profit when they lose money because only a minority pay cost reflective tarrifs?

See the problem, or be as if you don't want to see it.

Good morning. I end it here.

So how is the geo metric power plant in Aba making money?. Or are they running at a loss? We can't pay the same amount they pay in the western world because things are cheaper to produce here as labour is cheap and labour is the greatest part of most production costs. Look at the brewery industry for example, beer is sold in Nigeria at like ten percent of the price in western Europe and the sector is still thriving and profitable.

lawani:
So how is the geo metric power plant in Aba making money?. Or are they running at a loss? We can't pay the same amount they pay in the western world because things are cheaper to produce here as labour is cheap and labour is the greatest part of most production costs. Look at the brewery industry for example, beer is sold in Nigeria at like ten percent of the price in western Europe and the sector is still thriving and profitable.

Geometric subscribers are paying cost reflective tarrifs, or close to cost reflective tarrifs. That's why they are able to make enough money to pay for their services.

Just to put things in perspective, here are the prices they pay in Aba

Band A Feeders (20+ hours): Increased to between ₦219.70 and ₦241.45 per kWh.
Band B Feeders (16-20 hours): Range between ₦180.77 and ₦203/kWh.
Band C Feeders (12-16 hours): Range between ₦145 and ₦205/kWh

And here is the cost for the rest of Nigeria

Band A (Highest Supply): Approx. ₦209.50 per unit (kWh).
Band B (16+ hours): Approx. ₦63.35 - ₦68.35 per unit.
Band C (12-16 hours): Approx. ₦51.79 - ₦53.00 per unit

And as a result, people are complaining in Aba. There was a protest where people complained about the high bills.

nairalanda1:
Geometric subscribers are paying cost reflective tarrifs, or close to cost reflective tarrifs. That's why they are able to make enough money to pay for their services.

Just to put things in perspective, here are the prices they pay in Aba



And here is the cost for the rest of Nigeria


And as a result, people are complaining in Aba. There was a protest where people complained about the high bills.

So if people in Aba can pay it then other people can pay it as well and what they pay in Aba is still a fraction of what they pay in western countries. Therefore people are ready to pay, it is investors that are backing off. We pay for GSM so we can pay for power

nairalanda1:
In all honesty I do agree with you

But the palaver is , most people on prepaid meters do bypass them. 68% of them according to the responsible regulator

It's the job of the distribution companies to check from time to time which they do sometimes.

MrPOTUS:
It's the job of the distribution companies to check from time to time which they do sometimes.

They do, and people chase them with cutlass and other assorted weapons. Or repeat the illegal connections once the discos go away. And Nigerians clap for them

Remember when a disco disconnected an army base for not paying its bills for over 4 months. Yes...armed soldiers invaded their office and beat up staff and vandalized their office. And Nigerians clapped for the soldiers.

Enforcenemt of laws is everyone's business really.

lawani:
So if people in Aba can pay it then other people can pay it as well and what they pay in Aba is still a fraction of what they pay in western countries. Therefore people are ready to pay, it is investors that are backing off. We pay for GSM so we can pay for power

You didn't see the last part of my post. People are complaining about the bills...to the point that there were PROTESTS.

Also, Aba is one city. And it is not quite representative of Nigeria. And it is a small scale operation, not a large scale one.

Then the disco too does ask for the government to let them raise prices.

Keep in mind they are also doing the band thing....so it's not like everyone is on 24 hour light.

(I won't be surprised if people are disconnetting from the mains supply from time to time to save money, as they do in Ghana).

nairalanda1:
You didn't see the last part of my post. People are complaining about the bills...to the point that there were PROTESTS.

Also, Aba is one city. And it is not quite representative of Nigeria. And it is a small scale operation, not a large scale one.

Then the disco too does ask for the government to let them raise prices.

Keep in mind they are also doing the band thing....so it's not like everyone is on 24 hour light.

(I won't be surprised if people are disconnetting from the mains supply from time to time to save money, as they do in Ghana).

People will protest in other places too and still pay. People disconnect to save money everywhere in the world. I think the reason companies are afraid to invest is that they think off-grid solar will become more popular and it may therefore be difficult for them to recoup their investment but that fear may be unfounded because if you consider the cost and lifespan of batteries then solar too is expensive

lawani:
People will protest in other places too and still pay. People disconnect to save money everywhere in the world. I think the reason companies are afraid to invest is that they think off-grid solar will become more popular and it may therefore be difficult for them to recoup their investment but that fear may be unfounded because if you consider the cost and lifespan of batteries then solar too is expensive

Then there is the massive underpayment by most nigerians, and most nigerians thinking that electricity should be cheap.

We had a lot of investment in GSM in part because one cannot use a phone without paying something in periodically. The power sector in Nigeria doesn't have that advantage(Bypassing meters, anyone?) and it is hamstrung by less than 20% of people paying cost reflective tarrifs.

We got to change our attitude first towards paying for power before we can have actual power.

I hate making this argument, but the truth is, people like being paid. If companies and individuals are not making enough money to provide services and get paid , then issues would start.

nairalanda1:
Then there is the massive underpayment by most nigerians, and most nigerians thinking that electricity should be cheap.

We had a lot of investment in GSM in part because one cannot use a phone without paying something in periodically. The power sector in Nigeria doesn't have that advantage(Bypassing meters, anyone?) and it is hamstrung by less than 20% of people paying cost reflective tarrifs.

We got to change our attitude first towards paying for power before we can have actual power.

I hate making this argument, but the truth is, people like being paid. If companies and individuals are not making enough money to provide services and get paid , then issues would start.

Bypassing meters is a criminal offense and discos do go about checking from time to time. They have checked at my house like two times in the last one year. It is prison or heavy bribe if you are caught. If it is still a problem, then that is the fault of the discos. It should have stopped being a problem by now I live in Ilesa Nigeria and I use 6000 credit on my meter for more than six months though I live alone and have turned off my fridge, I don't put on the TV as well. In my view electricity is still very cheap and you can also control your consumption just like GSM. There is also nothing wrong in having unified rates. Have unified rates however high, meter everybody and it will be profitable for investors

Jakarta:
What stops Nigerians Discos from disconnecting governments that don't pay their bills?

Lawlessness stops them. You know what would happen if nepa go cut light for barracks or ministry.

Below is an example.

Kaduna Electric disconnects Governor Sani’s office over N2.9bn Electricity Debt
https://metrodailyng.com/kaduna-electric-disconnects-governor-sanis-office-over-n2-9bn-electricity-debt/

Then

Kaduna State Shut Down Electric Company For Disconnecting Govt Houses Over N2.9bn Debt
https://thewhistler.ng/kaduna-state-shut-down-electric-company-for-disconnecting-govt-houses-over-n2-9bn-debt/

Jakarta:
Are you even reading your own comments, If Discos play their part, why shouldn't I play mine?

Do you seriously think I could possibly write all that without reading it like 10 times?

If you read my comments you'd stop saying "I", and instead say "we".

Disco is not playing their part, so we don't play ours. We are not mumu who play our part with discos who don't play their part.