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Scholes007:
China's Industrial prowess is without doubt unquestionably. But their trade practices has been questionable. Countries has to protect its market because of these practices. Without the western rules based order as lead by the USA, china wouldn't achieve those success.
Remember there has been dispute within the WTO because of these practices like dumping and subsidization which in turn affects other countries industrial capacity.
I understand your appreciation for the quick development of china but her development should not be used to destroy others.

Scholes007, I am Nigerian, and I don't really care if the entire world is destroyed if Nigeria develops like China has developed, because no Gods wrote sufferhead on my Nigerian head! Imagine, minimum wage is £36.82 (₦70k) a month! Am I a slave?

But seriously, China is not destroying others. China needs those others to not be destroyed so they can buy what China manufactures or China will destroy China.

And yes, other countries have to protect their country from questionable trade practices. I do however have no sympathy for countries that did not question their own trade practices when they were practicing them on others but are now questioning when their trade practices are practiced on them. No sympathy at all for such hypocrisy!

budaatum:
On this! I don't understand how you can "understand your defunct dislike to anything USA".

Defunct itself means, "no longer existing or functioning". So are you saying you understand my no longer existing or functioning dislike to anything USA because you now assume I like everything about USA?

Please know and understand that there are things that I do still dislike about USA that are not defunct at all, and top of that list is dump, whom I so still dislike you'd note I don't even write his name. And there are many many things I do still like about USA like their elections every 4 years and my darling Denzel W.

I'm explaining this to you because it bothers me a little that you would understand a dislike that is defunct according to you, and that never even existed in the first place, because it's like a lense through which you would read what I say that will distort your understanding.

I'm not anti China but anti communism. When we look closely to history, we will be glad with the current rule based order as lead by the USA. Europe peace is maintained by influence.

Scholes007:
......there is a new world order that the US wants to be part of......

I have specifically selected this because.....

Are you saying USA is not already part of the current world order that accepts the US dollar as global currency, and they now want to be part of it?

Or do are you seeing dump's USA drowning out of the new world order that is excluding it, and are now fighting for survival in the new world order that seems to be reducing USA's influence?

budaatum:
Scholes007, I am Nigerian, and I don't really care if the entire world is destroyed if Nigeria develops like China has developed, because no Gods wrote sufferhead on my Nigerian head! Imagine, minimum wage is £36.82 (₦70k) a month! Am I a slave?

But seriously, China is not destroying others. China needs those others to not be destroyed so they can buy what China manufactures or China will destroy China.

And yes, other countries have to protect their country from questionable trade practices. I do however have no sympathy for countries that did not question their own trade practices when they were practicing them on others but are now questioning when their trade practices are practiced on them. No sympathy at all for such hypocrisy!

China has destroyed many industries all over the world. Unless you just intend to put a blind eye it or play ostrich. Example if Nigeria intends to produce, she must protect her industry from Chinese trade dumping.

Scholes007:
I'm not anti China but anti communism. When we look closely to history, we will be glad with the current rule based order as lead by the USA. Europe peace is maintained by influence.

Definition of Communism:

Communism is a far-left political and economic ideology aiming for a classless, moneyless, and stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.

Is China classless?

Is China moneyless?

Is China stateless?

Is China not rule based?

Is Jack Ma's immense wealth commonly owned by poor peasants?

Please provide your own definition and examples of China's communism.

budaatum:
I have specifically selected this because.....

Are you saying USA is not already part of the current world order that accepts the US dollar as global currency, and they now want to be part of it?

Or do are you seeing dump's USA drowning out of the new world order that is excluding it, and are now fighting for survival in the new world order that seems to be reducing USA's influence?

Everyone knows the world order since 1945 is coming to an end. Things are very fluid and power is dynamic. Every indication has shown that there are new power blocs outside Europe and Europe is losing influence both culturally, political and economic hence need for...

budaatum:
Definition of Communism:

Communism is a far-left political and economic ideology aiming for a classless, moneyless, and stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.

Is China classless?

Is China moneyless?

Is China stateless?

Is China not rule based?

Is Jack Ma's immense wealth commonly owned by poor peasants?

Please provide your own definition and examples of China's communism.

I don't understand what you meant entirely but all I can deduce from you is the assumption that I have crude stereotype against China.

Scholes007:
China has destroyed many industries all over the world.

I do "intend to put a blind eye it or play ostrich"!

Explain to me how China has destroyed many industries all over the world please.

Scholes007:
Example if Nigeria intends to produce, she must protect her industry from Chinese trade dumping.

So, you think you will ban Tecno and tokunboh and I will suddenly buy Made in Nigeria because you protect your industry from Chinese trade dumping?

I think if Nigeria wants to produce, it must first learn how to produce, which is what China did, because most of us Nigerians will not buy made in Nigeria if it is low quality.

And if you are honest, you'd admit the west dumps more rubbish on us than China does, since just about everything we import from the west is secondhand no more used in the west stuff. Or is China now dumping old Technos in Nigeria?

Scholes007:
I don't understand what you meant entirely but all I can deduce from you is the assumption that I have crude stereotype against China.

You are correct, though a crude stereotypical understanding of communism would be more accurate.

So I want you to show me I'm wrong.

Scholes007:
Everyone knows the world order since 1945 is coming to an end. Things are very fluid and power is dynamic. Every indication has shown that there are new power blocs outside Europe and Europe is losing influence both culturally, political and economic hence need for...

Europe lost its power in 1945 when USA became the superpower. Most of Europe didn't finish paying off debt USA till 1990s for saving them from WW2. So why is there this fear that the USA world order that began in 1945 may be coming to an end? Na only USA waka come?

Maybe China will be the new world order, then their turn too will finish, and Nigeria will be the new world order. Na turn by turn.

budaatum:
I do "intend to put a blind eye it or play ostrich"!

Explain to me how China has destroyed many industries all over the world please.


So, you think you will ban Tecno and tokunboh and I will suddenly buy Made in Nigeria because you protect your industry from Chinese trade dumping?

I think if Nigeria wants to produce, it must first learn how to produce, which is what China did, because most of us Nigerians will not buy made in Nigeria if it is low quality.

And if you are honest, you'd admit the west dumps more rubbish on us than China does, since just about everything we import from the west is secondhand no more used in the west stuff. Or is China now dumping old Technos in Nigeria?

this not about sentiment. Why do you think Nigeria banned cement imports? Why do you think Nigeria banned rice imports? How about Tomato paste? Etc.

budaatum:
Europe lost its power in 1945 when USA became the superpower. Most of Europe didn't finish paying off debt USA till 1990s for saving them from WW2. So why is there this fear that the USA world order that began in 1945 may be coming to an end? Na only USA waka come?

Maybe China will be the new world order, then their turn too will finish, and Nigeria will be the new world order. Na turn by turn.

1.Europe has always been at the helm of the world leadership for the past 8 decades.
2. USA and European nations made the current world order.
3. New world order if it will come, will likely be multi polar so china isn't and will not be the new world order.

Scholes007:
this not about sentiment. Why do you think Nigeria banned cement imports? Why do you think Nigeria banned rice imports? How about Tomato paste? Etc.

Why are you banning cement and you are banning rice and you are banning Tomato paste etc, and not banning phones and computers and cars and everything Dangote used to build Dangote Refinery including even the crude oil we have in abundance, etc?

Is it only cement and rice and tomato paste we want to manufacture in Nigeria and therefore need to ban import of?

Scholes007, the fact that you even mention the word "sentiment" shows you are being sentimental. And I don't care about yours or my own sentiment at all! Please know.

Scholes007:
1.Europe has always been at the helm of the world leadership for the past 8 decades.

Actually, USA has solely been at the helm of the world leadership for the past 8 decades.

Scholes007:
2. USA and European nations made the current world order.

Actually, European nations made the current world order from way back in the 1492 before there was a USA, and it lasted till 1914 when they began to fall.

Scholes007:
3. New world order if it will come, will likely be multi polar so china isn't and will not be the new world order.

But it will likely start with China toppling the head of the current world order which is USA.

budaatum:
Explain to me how China has destroyed many industries all over the world please.

Scholes007, do know that you have not yet explained how China has destroyed many industries all over the world.

All you did was say Nigeria banned cement and banned rice and banned Tomato paste etc, without saying how China has destroyed many industries all over the world or even in Nigeria.

I'm reminding you because your response is important.

The superpower is also the country that will protect the world during alien invasion. Would you trust Chinese equipment during such invasion? So abeg, In God of US we trust.

We Liberal Democrats will do everything to ensure that China doesn’t overtake US.

HacheNoire:
China does not have a colonial mentality. They are have been been mostly peaceful and believe very much in dialogue.

China is always has a win-win relationship, not the exploitation spirit. Any country China deals with, is bound to experience growth and not wars! Mexico, Ethiopia, South Africa, Nigeria and Angola are typical examples.

If we bring the adage about charity beginning from home, look at the Chinese way of life and socialist ideology and compare with American way of life with capitalism.

It is not debatable and any nation will always want to pursue the Chinese dream rather than American.

Then tell ur citizens to stop chasing the American dream and go chase the Chinese dreams.... we all know how you fanatics operate

budaatum:
So, they are not in charge so they are not doing that?

That's good enough for me. Because by the time they are in charge, you'd likely have learnt from past experience of those who were in charge and did do that not to let China do it to you. Or would you like to argue that China can come to your shores and buy you and put you in chains and take you to their country and make you work for free in the future sometimes because you wouldn't have learnt anything to do to not let them?

And China themself might have learnt from those who were in charge and did do that that it might not be the best and most profitable thing to do.

Talking about slavery, you know nothing about modern day slavery ongoing in china currently. I see the way you love china, keep it up. The same you that is taking about preferring china would be the first to queue up in the American embassy seeking for visa.

LeeSmart:
Then tell ur citizens to stop chasing the American dream and go chase the Chinese dreams.... we all know how you fanatics operate

They are doing. Am I telling you first that Nigerians are in China chasing dreams. Even majority of businesses you find today are sourcing from there.

American dream! 🤣😂🤣😂. That was about 3 decades ago. It’s all a fiction and why it’s called a dream. You will dream it about it death! Tell me more about American dream? Mortgages, student loan, credit, or expensive medical care that can run you bankrupt!

The “American dream” can only be sold to JJC’s. It’s a mirage. They also talk about freedom, when they in cages. Freedom they cannot explain!

HacheNoire:
They are doing. Am I telling you first that Nigerians are in China chasing dreams. Even majority of businesses you find today are sourcing from there.

American dream! 🤣😂🤣😂. That was about 3 decades ago. It’s all a fiction and why it’s called a dream. You will dream it about it death! Tell me more about American dream? Mortgages, student loan, credit, or expensive medical care that can run you bankrupt!

The “American dream” can only be sold to JJC’s. It’s a mirage. They also talk about freedom, when they in cages. Freedom they cannot explain!

I see now, reasons why ur country men and women are all over the Internet crying about ICE deporting dem.
Make i no just catch you for inside queue for U.S embassy sha, We sabi una type.

LeeSmart:
I see now, reasons why ur country men and women are all over the Internet crying about ICE deporting dem.
Make i no just catch you for inside queue for U.S embassy sha, We sabi una type.

Is a US visa a gate pass to heaven?

Do you know how many countries we have on Earth?

Hollywood has really worked on you.

HacheNoire:
Is a US visa a gate pass to heaven?

Do you know how many countries we have on Earth?

Hollywood has really worked on you.

Reasons why i asked you why ur country men and women are wailing all over the Internet about getting deported?

LeeSmart:
Talking about slavery, you know nothing about modern day slavery ongoing in china currently. I see the way you love china, keep it up. The same you that is taking about preferring china would be the first to queue up in the American embassy seeking for visa.

Please know that buda considers a monthly of wage of ₦70k is "modern day slavery ongoing in" wherever that is the wage. But if you ever find buda in a queue to dump's USA, shoot buda please! Because, if you don't shoot buda in the queue, somebody will definitely shoot buda in that dump!

buda loves Nigeria more than China and USA!

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