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jmoore:
Is Mohammed an indigenous black African name?

A Muslim name

jmoore:
Is Mohammed an indigenous black African name?

It is not but it is still not a colonial name.

Lukuluku69:
Two different fight. A pity you didn't see that.

America went to Vietnam to stop the Communists and stop Communism from spreading. If indeed they want to fight Commuists and Communism, USSR is their best bet but what happened? Proxy wars all over the place. They never fought but go kill people where Communism and Communists showed any sign of life.

As for the Nigerian Soldiers, the Terrorists in the North and South Eastern parts of Nigeria had them on their kill lists and they take innocent people out too, so if I was a Nigerian Soldier, I will join the war against them and shoot to kill them too.

America have no right to go fight the Communists in Vietnam because it is non of their business the form of Government anyone practices outside America, the United Nation Charter guaranteed that.



Besides, Muhammed Ali was never in the Army, he only refused to be DRAFTED

You get sense.

goslowgoslow:
It is not but it is still not a colonial name.

If Mohammed Ali was informed that Arab Muslims bought and sold black slaves too and castrated them, he wouldn't have taken that decision.

Many of you don't know what Arabs did with black slaves.

Yea. I understand.

I still stand with pele.
Apart from normal professional football, pele played in charity football matches to assist the less privileges. Sometimes as a form of protest or peace. E.g, the game held at lagos to calm Biafra and nigeria dispute. Some held in north America and south America, many of dem.

Indeed too, he was great footballer.

Lukuluku69:
Hmmmm

I will give it to Ali.

Do you know why?

Ali transcend Sports. He stood up against a system. He used his platform to speak to an oppressive system at that time.

He imagine standing up and saying he wasn't going to Vietnam and he was ready to die for that.

He was threatened with Jail! He responded that he (the Black people in America) has been in jail for centuries and sending him there wouldn't have make any meaning.

He lost everything because he refused the Draft. His World Title, his Boxing Licence, his means of Livelihood and he had to go to Canada at a point in time.

Mirasteel:
You are lying. he saw the light in Islam and followed the right path.

There is n0 ligght in Isleaim. Isleam is total diarkkness. Isleaim is a copy copy reliiligion that was copied by Miuhiaimiad from Chriistianity, Judiaism, Seribians and Ariab pagianism.

I challenge yoiu to show me the ligght you see in Isleiam!

Americans capptured Africans as slaives and freed the slaives, giving them citizenship and in America.

Airab Meuslims capptured Africans as sliavs and caistratied the slaives to prevent them from imppregnaiting Ariab women and ensure there will be no blaick Ariabs.

What we see in clubs now is Kai cenat and ishowspeeeeeeed

[quote author=wwwihy post=138416571]Muhammad Ali in Lagos at a Night club in Yaba, Lagos, August 1964


Source[/quote]I love this picture. I am glad some of our native designs are catching fire abroad.

Mirasteel:
But Arab didn't enslave his ancestors right? he chose a Muslim name because he reverted to Islam.

He could become a muslim with his native name...that's slavery

Every time you dropped your native name for religious sake, you ve enslaved yourself

AlphaTaikun:
https://x.com/Yorubaness/status/2020580234773577995

Ali, the greatest!
If my memory serves me from reading years back about that visit to Nigeria, Ali was given the name Adewale or Omowale during that visit in 1964. He also visited Ibadan to a arousing welcome. Some founding members of the Black Panther Movement also visited Nigeria later in the 1960s. It's ALWAYS an emotional experience when African-Americans visit the Motherland. AAs are more mixed now and genetically, they are largely related to folks from different regions of Africa and Europe more than Continental Africans who aren't so mixed up with other ethnicities because most folks largely get married within their ethnicities and ancestral homelands.

Ali, the World's Greatest Boxer, who left an indelible mark on modern history.


Slight correction on something though, Malcolm X was the one who got the name "Omowale" and not Malcolm. Cheers.

LUAN1:
who that woman??
was there OS as at that time,?
id there was os, thén we should stop blaming this generation 😂

There has always been olosho even in the 40s,50s and 60s

Mirasteel:
That's why he changed his name because he doesn't want colonisers names.

Muhammad Ali is an Arabic name from Arab colonizers, who actually colonized West Africa before Europeans.

His former name Cassius Mercellius Clay Jr is an English name from British/ European colonizers.

Until you all realize that the only thing real is what's African, we'll continue running around in circles. . Your reality as a black is a paint job.

Having said that, he was very proud to be black.

BeginsAtHome:
OS from 1964 can easily pass for a mummy G O these days.

See how decent she looked for the nightlife.

Saladdin:
Ali, the World's Greatest Boxer, who left an indelible mark on modern history.


Slight correction on something though, Malcolm X was the one who got the name "Omowale" and not Malcolm. Cheers.

@Saladdin,

I appreciate your input and will do the correction right away. I know that MOST first-time foreign male visitors to Nigeria are sometimes given the name Omowale (or in full Omobowale) when they visit Yorubaland, BUT advanced search of records show that Muhammed Ali didn't get renamed BUT Malcolm X was when he visited Ibadan in May 1964.

Indeed, I got the historical timeline mixed up as Malcolm Little (Malcolm X) and Muhammad Ali both visited Nigeria (Ibadan and Lagos) separately in 1964.

Enjoy your day.

Cheers!


P.S. More insights right BELOW:

Regarding his June 1964 visit to Nigeria, advanced search shows that Muhammad Ali did NOT receive a specific Yoruba name during that trip.

However, many sources confuse Muhammad Ali's June 1964 visit to Nigeria with that of Malcolm X, who visited Ibadan, Nigeria, in May 1964 and was given the Yoruba name "Omowale" (or Omobowale), which means "the son who has come home."

During Muhammad Ali's 3-day tour of Lagos, Nigeria, in June 1964, he was:
Clad in traditional Yoruba Aso Oke agbada.
Photographed playing the gangan (talking drum).

Note on Name Change: In March 1964, Elijah Muhammad gave him the name Muhammad Ali, meaning "worthy of all praises" and "most high".

Mirasteel:
A Muslim name

Still an imposed name via religious colonisation

The outfit game in the 60s was on another level

thatigboman:
o yea. Even pele came to Nigeria. World leaders in Tennis used to come to Nigeria to play in competition.
It was in Nigeria that Dundee United FC of Scotland was beaten mercilessly that any foolish person till date is referred to as dundee

Ok,dundee guys or de dunce!
I like the account you AV given.
So informative.

SixSeven:
Shortly after defeating Sonny Liston on March 6, 1964, Elijah Muhammad of the Nation of Islam officially gave him the name Muhammad Ali. He had briefly used the name "Cassius X" just days before this formal change. In his 1975 autobiography, "The Greatest: My Own Story," Muhammad Ali addressed the idea of being "deceived" by clarifying that his name change was a deliberate act of self-liberation, not a misunderstanding of history. Muhammad Ali changed his name in 1964 because he viewed "Cassius Clay" as a slave name that belonged to his ancestors' masters. Even though he was named after a white abolitionist, Ali felt the name was a brand of white supremacy and insisted that he didn't want to carry a name he hadn't chosen for himself.

He opted for an Arabic name rather than an African one because, through the Nation of Islam, he was taught that Islam was the "original" religion and culture of Black people. To Ali, names like Muhammad ("worthy of praise" and Ali ("most high" weren't just titles;, they were a way to reclaim a spiritual heritage that existed before the slave trade. Watch the earlier video I posted.


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7537412986873466134

He argued that these names connected him to a global community and a higher purpose.
In his writing, Ali made it clear that he wasn't deceived; he was seeking a sense of dignity. He believed that an Arabic name was the most authentic way to replace the "X" that represented his lost African lineage. Whether he was deceived or not, I am here stating facts and one man's side of the coin is another man's side.

Chai, from the account you just given, that my brother was deceived to believe that Islam was the original religion of Africa.
If I know the ediot that deceived that guy ,I will................
The guy wanted to liberate himself from western slavery but one stewpeed guy, instead of helping him find his Africanism root in terms of religion and name,chose to deceive him into a bigger slavery,the Arab Slavery.

See as the runs Babe dress so nicely as if she was going to a religious program.
But today, even the girls going for a religious service don't dress neatly near her.

Pacesetter123:
Chai, from the account you just given, that my brother was deceived to believe that Islam was the original religion of Africa.
If I know the ediot that deceived that guy ,I will................
The guy wanted to liberate himself from western slavery but one stewpeed guy, instead of helping him find his Africanism root in terms of religion and name,chose to deceive him into a bigger slavery,the Arab Slavery.

If you reply me with the argument about religion, I'm sorry, you chose the wrong person. I told the other person who quoted me that I am not here to give any conclusions, only facts. Your comment ignores the circumstances that made him accept another religion and what it did to his career and to the US. Speaking of black men in America, there's a reason they will likely accept Islam and not Christianity. I am talking about Americans who were not Africans who traveled to America but AAs. If you don't understand the environment and what happened around that time, you will make wrong conclusions. And just to be clear here, I detest anyone who uses religion to deceive anyone. India's biggest problem is not just the caste system, they literally broke that big country into three or 4 because of religion. UAE is today sponsoring deaths in Sudan and they are supposed to be Muslims so I cannot be deceived by religious affiliation means you are the best or worst.

I will give you snapshots of a little of his story but it is important to read his biography before coming to conclusions. That's what I tried to do to the other guy. Unfortunately I cannot repost his book, you have to read it. Faith is a personal decision and I won't be the one to tell a man what to believe in. There is another quote from Ali about a man and his convictions.


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7184442725863836933

Snippets from public information to understand the story

SixSeven:
Snippets from public information to understand the story

They were all just brainwashed by the fake black Islam religion. It was started by Fard Muhammad who wasn't even black. These same people later killed Malcolm x because he realized it was all fake religion and a big money making business. EVEN Elijah Muhammad's son went against him later.
But the blacks embraced the teachings of the Nation of Islam because it demonized the whites and Christianity and told them that blacks were the original humans. They were encouraged to drop their European names for Arab names.
But historically the Arabs were more depraved in their treatment of Africans. It was a case of any port in a storm for the blacks at that point.

As for Cassius Clay, he replaced one slave name for another. That's why you see more black Americans taking real African names now. Like Kwame, Yetunde and such.

Predictor3:
They were all just brainwashed by the fake black Islam religion. It was started by Fard Muhammad who wasn't even black. These same people later killed Malcolm x because he realized it was all fake religion and a big money making business. EVEN Elijah Muhammad's son went against him later.
But the blacks embraced the teachings of the Nation of Islam because it demonized the whites and Christianity and told them that blacks were the original humans. They were encouraged to drop their European names for Arab names.
But historically the Arabs were more depraved in their treatment of Africans. It was a case of any port in a storm for the blacks at that point.

As for Cassius Clay, he replaced one slave name for another. That's why you see more black Americans taking real African names now. Like Kwame, Yetunde and such.

Thank you for reminding me to post the second part of the snippet.

I don't think you won't see religion without some opportunists there. It's just like we see in Nigeria today where everything is politicized. The religious card makes people not think we'll but if it's about conviction, regardless of the NOI, Ali wasn't deceived. Someone strong enough to change his name could always change it at any time in future. Muhammad Ali's son and daughter haven't gone the way of X, so these things are a matter of faith.

During the 2001 Terrorist Attacks, Ali stood up to the position that it's not part of his religion.


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7191475903715691781


If there's something I admire about him, regardless of his religion is that he stood for what he believed in and he called oppression out. The US government did not like that at all, especially coming from a black man. The fact that he could lose his title and fame to stand for what he believed in says a lot about character. Most people are religious but their actions are wicked to humanity.

jmoore:
If Mohammed Ali was informed that Arab Muslims bought and sold black slaves too and castrated them, he wouldn't have taken that decision.

Many of you don't know what Arabs did with black slaves.

My comment doesn't mean that I don't know what Arabs did to black slaves I only clarified that Ali is not a white people's name. Whatever happened to your comprehension skills?

Ah... When having a big derriere and curves as a woman didn't even matter. In and out of the nightclubs.

However, she still looks like a baddie of her era. See her facial expression. Hehe 😁
But she looks bubbly and lively, I can understand why Mohammed Ali would have been grabbing onto her waist the entire night at that club house.

Bad guy.
Bad girl...see dem

Today's ladies don't dress this way to nightclubs. It's all bathing suits, minis, or nude-birthday suit, or just skimpy revealing stuff. All to catch customers.

Oh well...
Memories.

Morenikeji090:
Not just only Nigeria you should say yoruba

SMH @ you.
🚶

goslowgoslow:
My comment doesn't mean that I don't know what Arabs did to black slaves I only clarified that Ali is not a white people's name. Whatever happened to your comprehension skills?

REST. I quoted someone with my reply. If you didn't understand my comment in the context, you shouldn't have replied me.

LUAN1:
who that woman??
was there OS as at that time,?
id there was os, thén we should stop blaming this generation 😂

Sex workers have always existed since time immemorial. As long as men have raging sex hormones, sex workers will continue to exist.

jmoore:
REST. I quoted someone with my reply. If you didn't understand my comment in the context, you shouldn't have replied me.

You are delulu! This is a public forum anybody can respond to anybody this place is not your house if you don't like it delete your account.
You don't have have comprehension skills that is why you responded with gibberish instead of sleeping.

jmoore:
REST. I quoted someone with my reply. If you didn't understand my comment in the context, you shouldn't have replied me.

You are lhame you just want to argue unnecessarily.

Judgesledge:
Still an imposed name via religious colonisation

I disagree

musicwriter:
Muhammad Ali is an Arabic name from Arab colonizers, who actually colonized West Africa before Europeans.

His former name Cassius Mercellius Clay Jr is an English name from British/ European colonizers.

Until you all realize that the only thing real is what's African, we'll continue running around in circles. . Your reality as a black is a paint job.

Having said that, he was very proud to be black.

Muhammad is a Muslim name, not an Arab name because if you aren't muslims you can't bear the name and in Islam everyone is one, no matter the caste, color, ethnicity etc.