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uvie66:
tithes and offering is not an investment or insurance scheme.

No one should pay them if they are not

Sonnobax15:
You're speaking too many grammar that doesn't hold water. Imagine going through those lengthy processes when he needed the help urgently. Honestly,if the church can't help it's members in their Time of need,I don't think there's any reason for such members to continue worshipping in that church at all.

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Make Im find another church go, and why is everyone blaming the Church ? Aren't the parents not supposing to be footing the bills of their offspring. Why push it to the church. The church have other financial responsibilities and maybe pay school fees to their congregants is very low in there pecking order.
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Sonnobax15:

Hehehe.

Chebi I once I created a similar thread on this sometime ago but it never made it to the front page and I was even insulted by some irresponsible dimwits .

Make una dey believe in these so-called men of God wey dey feast on una gullibility

Your pastor can't help you in the times of need,but would rather refer you to pray to God who's busy minding his business in heaven to send help to you on earth. But when the same thief disguising as pastor needs help,he falls back to you who are his members, billing you to stupor

He even tried by continuing to go to church. Cuz in my own case,that was my instant full stop and why I will never go to church.

All this your misunderstanding
Did any man of God preach to you to believe in him or ......believe in the lord jesus
So stop confusing yourself.....
Salvation is of God, not of man
A man can choose to spend his money wey te he likes
As for that fellow in question his outward look says it all ...no genuine born again Christian have time for such indicency look couple with been a Nurse

Amotolongbo:
No one should pay them if they are not

...I concur, that is why if you willingly pay do not expect anything in return. If you open your naked eyes dey pay tithe and your pastor dey use Gulfstream as everyday Uber then you are on your own.

Zionmdde:
A church like LFC will advice you to seek help from where you are well known, example the cell. If the cell can't help you, it can be escalated to the chapter, then state HQ
It's called structure. The church should be a place of orderliness

The GO wouldn't know all his members, but can listen to your own pastor when he pleads on your behalf

Churches should not be a place things are done anyhow. Imagine working for UBA and you have a problem, you skip your branch managers straight to elumelu, would he talk to you?

Disclaimer: I owe my loyalty to God and God alone. I may attend a church but I don't do all that "it's my church" stuff

.... this guy talk sense.

Precious201010:
Some people up there were just talking rubbish... Is it every church member that pays tithe and offering?, and mind u tithe is just 10 percent, so what happens to the 90 percent..

How can someone be looking for admission for good 4 years without planning on how to pay for school fees?.

Every church has a department, if he's a commitment member as he claimed, the best place he would have gone to was his department in the church to get help, then if the department doesn't have, they'll approach the man of God on his behalf...

If u are close to church settings u will understand better, someone will attend a church for the first time and immediately after the service he's coming to meet the man of God for house rent or school fees.

.... another sensible yarning, why haven't he and his mother been able to save ordinary 250k over the four years since they were so adamant on getting admission in that particular school, or is it a case of getting to the bridge and " God work in mysterious way" and he will see us through.

Sonnobax15:
listen to yourself . Na people like una dey make Dem dey see all of us finish.

So he should have attended the church for a thousand years first before he could ask for financial assistance from the scammer abi? But it didn't take the same thief time to start billing him in form of tithes and offerings.

Sometimes I begin to wonder if the brain of an average Nigerian Christian has been tampered with,and you guys keep proving me right on a daily basis

So you saw the bill that was given to him to pay money to church ...sorry is your case
With the multitudes in the church...Bishop can never identify him personally as member...so how then would The Bishop billed him to pay any money ....
Church and every activity related to church voluntary ...so sounding as if coarse or under compulsion

Zionmdde:
Oya na you need God so you will have the money

As I said earlier, having a God doesn't have any correlation with having money.

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uvie66:
.... another sensible yarning, why haven't he and his mother been able to save ordinary 250k over the four years since they were so adamant on getting admission in that particular school, or is it a case of getting to the bridge and " God work in mysterious way" and he will see us through.

thank u very much, in this life no one owes anyone anything... If U want to go to school or do anything, save towards it, or better still apply for a scholarship..

Silentgroper:
But isn't that the duty of him as a pastor ..


As a pastor , you get all that money which you earn from occasional contributions of your congregations termed as offering and tithe but cannot give a common 230k.

Something he would earn back with just one service or one power packed delusional program..

don't mind these wayrey living faith member sheeples defending their god of men oyedepo can't help every members but can buy private jet and fuel it how much is N230,000 to oyedepo that's a billionaire ?

do you even need to be a living faith member before oyedepo a billionaire can help you?that means he won't even help a muslim or a trw?
I don't think dangote will ask of your religion before he helps.
one day Africans we wake up and free their selves from religious and mental shackles!!

davidque:
Please remember this words. It is the height of foolishness to judge a matter before hearing both side. You have made conclusions on hearing the poster alone. I only spoke on what i know about the church (verifiable information) and the typical attitude of people as regarding such matters. i didn't question the poster cos i cant verify their claims. Please get off your attitude of being gullible to all you read online.

Your talk of charity and philanthropy is quite funny. The same church or religion as you put it, is the single and most effective form of charity in this world. This same church you are busy bad mouthing, you actually don't know much about their charity works. Standing on the street is the patterns too many people use and no one really responds positively to that except on rare occasions. anyways you will always be entitled to your own opinion

Not only in this matter, Religion is a drag back for us. Say no to organized religion.

Pay tithes use it to buy private jet and build universities poor contributors can't afford haha

I don't know the kind of position or money I will have that people will be talking to me and I won't listen or pause to hear them out!

I hold a good position in my office and I don't turn people out even if they look poor.
If a man can walk up to you, listen n decide to reply or ignore.

emoney2012:
I’m not a Winner member, but I believe there’s usually a proper protocol for requesting financial help in churches. In a structured church like Living Faith Church, I’m sure assistance should start from the home cell or unit you belong to before escalating upward.
Walking up directly to David Oyedepo may not be the standard process.

Those who approached Christ, ignoring protocol, did they receive what they asked for?

I remember the Syro-Phonecian; I remember the widow at Nain; I remember the demons' request; I remember his mother's request for a miracle when it was not yet time- He who has given to the least, has given to the Almighty.

You can make excuses for them, but know this: a man's life is not quantified by the volume of his possessions.

Zionmdde:
Did the woman beg Jesus for money? Or did Jesus give anybody money to solve their financial problems?

money (the cash) we spend now wasn't a legal tender then but jesus fed 5,000 2 different times that's equivalent of a money he would have given them do you think if naira and dollars were legal tenders then Jesus won't have given his followers? even without asking

what would he have been hoarding it for how many years did he spend on earth?the oyedepo I see can't even feed the hungry in his church keep defending your opressors who improverishes and feeds off your vulnerability and gullibility!!

He can't help everyone. He even directed you to where you can get assistance. You should have asked for a letter of recommendation to the state governor.

Nigerian churches are mostly business centers, stopped attending church for some yrs until i found 1 during covid 19 period that didn't demand for tithe or offering b4 helping me n my family. Today i'm on scholarship in their university (BYU Pathway) pursuing my 2nd degree, also got a remote job n laptop for free. LDS, an american church with branches all over d world, including nigeria.

brain54:
I agree with you to an extent...

Infact, it's what I wanted to comment initially. But on deeper thought I had to hold back my initial comment.


The truth is that pastors like everyone else can't help everyone that approach them for assistance. They will go bankrupt in 2 seconds.


But the deeper truth is that most of the pastors and by extension churches don't do anything or at best do very little to help those in need.


I think pastors or let me say churches (especially established ones like living faith) ought to have charity arms were they provide things like scholarships, help widows, and generally provide help to those who genuinely need it. Oyedepo for example could have referred him to the charity outreach arm of his church for assistance and if he qualifies be granted the assistance he needed.


True they can't provide help to everyone but they also haven't done enough in that regard.

If you consider the amount of money at the disposal of some of the churches and what they use waste it on- private jets and other worldly things you would understand that the pastors/churches aren't trying at all.


One of the reasons I liked the late TB Joshua. He was the only pastor that had this structure I talk about and did things differently.


Unfortunately he didn't last long!

ultraviolet27:
money (the cash) we spend now wasn't a legal tender then but jesus fed 5,000 2 different times that's equivalent of a money he would have given them do you think if naira and dollars were legal tenders then Jesus won't have given his followers? even without asking

what would he have been hoarding it for how many years did he spend on earth?the oyedepo I see can't even feed the hungry in his church keep defending your opressors who improverishes and feeds off your vulnerability and gullibility!!

So LFC has never organized any program where they fed people abi? Jesus did it only twice (as recorded) some churches have done it over and over again

Church is not for feeding the hungry with physical food,

I am defending nobody, but this nonsense entitlement mentality has to stop

I don't even attend LFC nor their programs, Commit sense is common sense.

CHARLOE:
Nigerian churches are mostly business centers, stopped attending church for some yrs until i found 1 during covid 19 period that didn't demand for tithe or offering b4 helping me n my family. Today i'm on scholarship in their university (BYU Pathway) pursuing my 2nd degree, also got a remote job n laptop for free. LDS, an american church with branches all over d world, including nigeria.

That's a positive testimony...

ERockson:
You attended the church for just almost 3 years and demanding financial help based on period you've been with the church, what about pastors's children that's have been there for more than 20 years. Pastos can not help everybody approaching them for helps. Now that you are nurse and earning money how many people have you have helped financially, how many school fees have you paid for the less privileges. If you have no enough records of helping many people, you are not better than the Pastor. If you and your Mom have been saving the money you paid for tithe and offering you won't be in financial problem that will bring you to pastor for help. So, Because you paid tithe and offering in your church, the pastor must help you. Entitled mentality is your problem

I wish I could see you now to talk sense into your head.

Amotolongbo:
3years is small?
Why didn’t the same church tell the new comers to wait for more than 3years before they start giving tithe and offerings?

don't mind the guy, sense isn't for everyone.

Do you know how many students are on pastors’ scholarship programs? To begin with, the place and timing of the meeting were off. Screaming for help at someone who is heading to minister early in the morning shows a lack of planning. Some people would not even reply you. Do you know how many persons have come up to him with similar stories that turned out to be lies?

Oga, pastors face a lot of challenges including financial scams. If most of these pastors let you read their private messages in one day, you will wonder how they are still surviving. Cry for financial help here and there. To get around this wahala, most pastors set up departments in church where the needy who come for help can be thoroughly scrutinized and assisted where necessary.

You were not expecting Oyedepo to sign you a cheque that morning, were you? If most pastors do not plan their finances well, people will use beggi beggi to destroy them financially.

To become rich is easier than staying rich. To stay rich, you must learn to decline many money requests.

ERockson:
You attended the church for just almost 3 years and demanding financial help based on period you've been with the church, what about pastors's children that's have been there for more than 20 years. Pastos can not help everybody approaching them for helps. Now that you are nurse and earning money how many people have you have helped financially, how many school fees have you paid for the less privileges. If you have no enough records of helping many people, you are not better than the Pastor. If you and your Mom have been saving the money you paid for tithe and offering you won't be in financial problem that will bring you to pastor for help. So, Because you paid tithe and offering in your church, the pastor must help you. Entitled mentality is your problem

So make he grow grey hair inside the church na. Must be even be a member of the church? See your mentality . Wickedness promoter

Pastors CANNOT help everybody asking them for help- it's not possible

NO ONE can help everybody meeting them for help

There are philanthropists and influencial.people who give when it will boost their public image. If media take up your issue or you're in a gathering of well meaning people,they will even sponsor you to gain fame but meet them on one on one, they won't even respond.

ERockson:
You attended the church for just almost 3 years and demanding financial help based on period you've been with the church, what about pastors's children that's have been there for more than 20 years. Pastos can not help everybody approaching them for helps. Now that you are nurse and earning money how many people have you have helped financially, how many school fees have you paid for the less privileges. If you have no enough records of helping many people or all people coming to you for helps, you are not better than the Pastor. If you and your Mom have been saving the money you paid for tithe and offering you won't be in financial problem that will bring you to pastor for help. So, Because you paid tithe and offering in your church, the pastor must help you. Entitled mentality is your problem

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mastermaestro:
Do you know how many students are on pastors’ scholarship programs? To begin with, the place and timing of the meeting were off. Screaming for help at someone who is heading to minister early in the morning shows a lack of planning. Some people would not even reply you. Do you know how many persons have come up to him with similar stories that turned out to be lies?

Oga, pastors face a lot of challenges including financial scams. If most of these pastors let you read their private messages in one day, you will wonder how they are still surviving. Cry for financial help here and there. To get around this wahala, most pastors set up departments in church where the needy who come for help can be thoroughly scrutinized and assisted where necessary.

You were not expecting Oyedepo to sign you a cheque that morning, were you? If most pastors do not plan their finances well, people will use beggi beggi to destroy them financially.

To become rich is easier than staying rich. To stay rich, you must learn to decline many money requests.

You spoke my mind, I don't have anything more to say.

ERockson:
You attended the church for just almost 3 years and demanding financial help based on period you've been with the church, what about pastors's children that's have been there for more than 20 years. Pastos can not help everybody approaching them for helps. Now that you are nurse and earning money how many people have you have helped financially, how many school fees have you paid for the less privileges. If you have no enough records of helping many people or all people coming to you for helps, you are not better than the Pastor. If you and your Mom have been saving the money you paid for tithe and offering you won't be in financial problem that will bring you to pastor for help. So, Because you paid tithe and offering in your church, the pastor must help you. Entitled mentality is your problem

what’s wrong in that? Isn’t the so-called tithe & offering meant for those in need! Wahala for who still dey go church. ..!

Now it Ramadan and Lent. Check the difference!

Where everyone will come to see Christianity as a joke indeed. No fear of God!

Sonnobax15:
listen to yourself . Na people like una dey make Dem dey see all of us finish.

So he should have attended the church for a thousand years first before he could ask for financial assistance from the scammer abi? But it didn't take the same thief time to start billing him in form of tithes and offerings.

Sometimes I begin to wonder if the brain of an average Nigerian Christian has been tampered with,and you guys keep proving me right on a daily basis

God bless you!

Freshandfitpod:
Oyedepo get agbero blood in him, TB Joshua would have handled it better..

you're absolutely correct

Bloodofthelambo:
do you know how much pastors give in aid and scholarships Yearly,
If they start showing the help they render daily, people would still accuse them of showing everything to gain more.

Stop believing these persons that accuse pastors up and down.
They were the ones that told people not to pay tithe, they are still those who would accuse pastors of not helping members.

not on the grounds of visible wealth all over the place. These men do nothing for the masses.

Churches are worst than bad governance