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Gabrielshow24:
So, your grand discovery is that different biographers should write the same thing ? Groundbreaking.🤧

By that 'logic,' we should probably throw out most of ancient history. If three friends go to a concert and only one mentions the lead singer broke his guitar, does that mean the guitar is magically intact? Of course not. It means one person found that detail significant while the others focused on the setlist.

You seem to forget that Matthew was writing specifically to a Jewish audience. He included the Magi, the Massacre of the Innocents, and the earthquake because they fulfilled Messianic prophecies (like Micah 5:2 and Jeremiah 31:15). To a Jew, these weren't 'Hollywood effects'; they were theological credentials.

You claim 'only him' mentioned the torn veil? You might want to double-check your source material . Mark 15:38 and Luke 23:45 both explicitly record the veil being torn. If you're going to build a case on 'only him,' at least pick a detail that is actually unique!🥱

Now, if all four Gospels were identical carbon copies, you’d be the first person screaming 'Collusion!' and 'Copy-pasting!'🤔When witnesses agree on the core (the Crucifixion)🤔 but provide unique peripheral details🤔, that is the hallmark of independent, authentic testimony, not a scripted lie.🧐

Calling unique details 'embellishments'🤨 just because they aren't repeated four times is a desperate reach🥱. Matthew wasn't writing a technical manual; he was writing a targeted biography🧐. If 'different' equals 'untrue,' then every history book on your shelf is a work of fiction🤦🏾‍♂️.

Maybe spend less time shouting 'Think...'😂 and more time actually reading the other three Gospels?🤨 It helps with the 'Temple Veil' awkwardness. 🥱

Lukuluku69:
1. He was the only one that mentioned an Herodian Massacre

2. The only one that mentioned Walking Zonebs

3. The only one that an Earthquake

4. The only one that wrote about a Temple Veil being torn into two.

Lol

He wasn't saying the truth, and his word " all these things were written so that you will know that Jesus has come".... simply saying " I made them all up"!



Simply put, embellishments! Things that never happened but it is okay if you want to gobbled it down as your forebears did without giving it any thought.

Mattswaggz:
You said that believers cutting across race, continents, ethnicity etc shows that they're doing the right thing.

Gabrielshow24:
Oh, we’re still stuck on point #4? It’s truly impressive how you can stare at Mark 15:38 and Luke 23:45 and still scream 'Matthew was the only one!'😂 It takes a special kind of dedication to ignore two-thirds of the Synoptic Gospels just to keep a failing argument on life support🤦🏾‍♂️.

As for the 'Walking Saints' and the earthquake—newsflash: distinct witnesses provide distinct details🧐. If four people see a car crash and only one mentions the driver was wearing a red hat, does the hat cease to exist? According to your logic, yes🤦🏾‍♂️.

Since we're discussing 'Embellishments' and 'Contradictions'...
If you’re so concerned about 'made-up stories' and historical silence, let’s talk about that 'Eternal Speech' you've been gobbling down:

-> The Pharaonic Flip-Flop: In your Quran, does Pharaoh drown in his arrogance (Sura 28:40), or does he have a sudden, miraculous conversion and get saved (Sura 10:90-92)? It’s quite the 'topsy-turvy' doctrine when the 'Eternal Word'👀 can’t decide if the villain survived or became a martyr.

->The Abrahamic Remix: You’re worried about Matthew’s 'Hollywood effects'? Your book has Abraham surviving a giant catapult fire (Sura 21) and Moses being adopted by Pharaoh’s wife instead of his daughter. Talk about 'embellishments'—your text took a 1,500-year-old history and gave it a reboot with a brand new cast😂.

->The Samaritan Time Traveler😭: My favorite 'Hollywood' effect has to be the Samaritan making the Golden Calf for the Israelites (Sura 20:85). Considering Samaritans didn't exist for another several hundred years, that’s not just an embellishment; it’s a glitch in the space-time continuum😂.

You call Matthew’s unique details 'theatrics' to sell a lie, yet you worship a book that claims to be 'unchangeable' while narratively tripping over its own feet. Matthew wrote as a human witness to fulfill prophecy; what’s the excuse for an 'Eternal Deity' getting basic history and his own characters' fates mixed up?🤨

Maybe stop worrying about Matthew’s earthquake and start worrying about the ground shifting under your own 'unadulterated' stories. 🥱

Lukuluku69:
You are a waste of time really.

So, why not ask your scientists what they saw during their manned missions?

If it is that important to you in your quest to put a lie to the Islamic claim of splitting the moon, why not fund another mission and go find out?

Prove it wrong.....

It is on you...

MaxInDHouse:
You need to be sincere now.

Remember i said the worshipers must live up to the teachings of their God this is the first and foremost criteria before we can now talk of cutting across all races.

What makes you see them as worshipers is their practices so without the practice they are not worshipers.

Therefore when you say Muslims it means worshipers practicing what Allah taught them before we now talk of if they have taken their practices to all nations.

Now back to what we are discussing the worshipers of the Bible God should take their practices to all the nations and since their belief is to have love for neighbors {Mark 12:31} and have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} then it's the result of their practices that will prove that they have the true God.🙂

SIRTeee15:
See response....

Once u are called out, it becomes verify yourself. How about u stand searching all ancient documents to see if any recorded dead people actually resurrected in 33AD.

Instead of mocking what u don't know, start working on a time machine that will take u back to 33 AD on the day Jesus resurrected n find out if other dead people resurrected with him.

That's exactly how ur sily response sound. It's like u forgot those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

U came here mocking what's in the bible yet more embarrassing details lie in your own book.

Theist arguing like an atheist. Imagine a theist thinking he could mock other people's faith n get away with it.

Funny enough your Quran admonish u not to behave in such ignorant manner

Surah 6.108
And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity.

Mattswaggz:
Your words are up there so stop changing mouth......this reason you're stating now was why I mentioned Buddha but you said that's not the criteria......all these things you're adding and changing now is just trying to save face.

MaxInDHouse:
That means we did not communicate well.

First of all the founder of a religion so i mentioned Jesus and you mentioned Buddha.

The point is are they practicing what the founder taught them?
Because that's what will help you know them you can't just call some people followers of a man when they are not practicing what he taught them nah!😟

The second point (which you took as first) is they must cut across all races!

The third point is they must make good use of what their founder taught them for everyone to see that it's really beneficial!

So i don't understand why you feel it's all about worshipers of a religion that cut across all races!🤔

Mattswaggz:
Firstly, you made mention of what they have done and then I responded to you with someone I view that His teachings are good and help live a good and holy life.

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you and i differ!🙂

Please do you quantify a teacher just by what he says or the result of his teaching among his students?

Let's try to go by your logic.

Do you think anyone around you could be a bad teacher as they try to impress others?

Of course you will never ever find any bad teacher if we are to go by your criteria but when you allow students taught by this person use his teachings then you will find out that his teachings and skills are really really poor because even at all it will work then it's only within a specific race not global.

So to test and know the best teacher we must allow for time that is when his faithful and loyal students will take his teachings to all other races and allow students in those places to practice what he taught them just as those who brought it are doing {Hebrews 13:7} that's when we can say he is the best of all teachers.

Ọmọ that's what makes my Jesus the most wonderful counselor of all time! Isaiah 9:6🙂

Mattswaggz:
Your logic also make Muhammad ur wonderful counselor as well. .

MaxInDHouse:
What good thing did Muhammad's God promised that his disciples are fulfilling globally today?🙂

Mattswaggz:
Give me an example(s) of what you mean so that when I answer you won't start changing mouth.

MaxInDHouse:
Islam failed woefully!

How?

According to the Bible God worshipers of the same God or subjects who are loyaltists of the same supreme ruler shouldn't be found fighting and killing themselves because all they need to do is go to their ruler in order to resolve any issue or use the laws of their ruler to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves. Isaiah 2:4

What do you think about this?

Is there any Muslim group meeting up with this criteria?

Of course there is none Muslims often trash their Allah and Quran in the face of nationalism, racism and politics then they pick up weapons and start killing their fellow worshipers.

So if there is none then it means Islam is another deceit and not the true religion!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Please take your time CAREFULLY and read this before responding!

Lukuluku69:
Lol

So, you worship Mathew, Mark, Luke and John now?

Allah says don't those whom they invoke.... less they insult Allah in enmity...

Do you invoke Mathew ni? Or Mark?

Someone that hasn't grasp what his Bible teaches, quoting from another Book. Comedy central 🤣

What that verse teaches is that Muslims should abuse Jehovah, Jesus, Obatala, Ogun, Osun Osogbo and if you want to add Mathew, Luke, Mark and John to them, please let us know now o

Mattswaggz:
So you're saying this is your criteria without any doubt right?.

MaxInDHouse:
Please don't be in a hurry to respond take your time carefully because there are thousands of religions out there claiming Christians but since you don't care to look into the matter you will hurriedly conclude that whatever they do are done by Christians.
That's why i asked in the post:

"Is there any Muslim group meeting up with this criteria?"

Because i have been a Muslim before so i can boldly tell you that there is no single Muslim group out there meeting up with such a criteria otherwise i would have concluded that all others are fake Muslims except that one but there is none!

SIRTeee15:
The way u reason ehn....na beginning of old age we go call am or what

I thought Quran is the verbatim word of your Allah. So if I'm mocking the Quran, am I not mocking your Allah?

Abi is not the Quran which is the word of Allah that said your P. split the moon and plastered it back.

Am I not indirectly saying your god has no idea why he's talking about.

If u don't want people to mock the words of your god, common sense will tell u not to mock the words of their deity.

So if u are mocking what was inspired and written down by Mathew, u are simply saying he never heard from God.
And me too I'm mocking what your P. wrote in the Quran because I know he simply made it up. It's all a lie- no moon was split. It was a fabricated story.

This is simple common sense. I don't know why this is too hard for u to grasp.

Mattswaggz:
So now you're placing a dimarcation amongst Christians as well (true Christians and just those who claim to be Christians).
Now who are the true Christians and who are the fake one's?.

Mattswaggz:
Secondly do you also realize that this present method you're using is also used by Moslems ie they'll say boko haram aren't true one's while boko haram will say they aren't true one's......so I need the criteria spelled out clearly from your own end regarding what true Christianity should look like and those criteria shouldn't have contractions in the Bible.

Lukuluku69:
Are you now invoking Mathew writing besides your other gods that I can't question his writings?

Do you think at all?

Oga Ade bye bye 👋

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible God promised to gather all faithful people throughout the world to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:4
He said while doing this Satan will use the gathering to mix his own agents with them. Matthew 13:25
But God will patiently wait until the end time before separating faithful people from among faithless crowds. Matthew 13:30
So that means if the true religion bears a group name and that name is popular Satan's agents will multiply in their thousands to join in bearing that same group name but then the Bible God said something that's amazing:


You will leave your name for my chosen ones to use in their curses; the Sovereign Lord will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name. ‭Isaiah 65:15 NIV‬


The group name Satan's agents flocked in to bear with faithful servants of God is "CHRISTIANS" so for the past 2,000 years thousands of religions are calling themselves "Christians" with their contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet none met with the criteria spelt out at Isaiah 2:4 but in the last century the true God began separating His own worshipers and gave us a new group name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

So all the criteria mentioned in the Bible this group is meeting wonderfully despite the fact that members are people living in this same world with us!🙂




Boko haram is a political group acting as terrorists so if Muslims are into politics they can't deny BOKO HARAM!🙂

Mattswaggz:
You haven't answered my first question yet....I need the criterias that makes someone a true Christians because from the criterias stated in the Bible....up to 90% of Christian population which you used to decide how far the religion has gone would fall short....so tell me the criterias you're working with.

MaxInDHouse:
Don't bother yourself my friend there is just one Christian organization and it is called "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

They are no part of the world political system {John 17:14-16} therefore when talking about wars none of them could be found in any part of the world serving in the military or in politics.

They must not lift up their hearts to vanity neither can you see them swear false oath {Psalms 24:3-4} so when you are talking about National anthem that makes people so nationalistic to me point of killing their innocent neighbors or fellow worshipers in other lands true Christians are no part of such.
When people are making pledges they can never ever fulfill true Christians will not join in reciting such pledge.

Globally all other religions will say about true Christians "they have love among themselves" {John 13:34-35} so if i as a worshipers of God in Nigeria travel to any part of this planet as long as my fellow believers are there i have brothers, sisters, sons, daughters and homes awaiting me! Mark 10:29-30

All these criteria JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have met please ask anybody around you!🙂

Mattswaggz:
Okay...I now see you're a member of Jehovah's witness so just like the rest you'll hype your own above others. .

MaxInDHouse:
From the moment you hear the true gospel you can't resist it if truly you have a conscience!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Now you are being dishonest!

I'm typing this on a public forum so that members of other religion could come out and refute what i'm typing but all you could say is:
"you'll hype your own above others"

Well you are wrong because i was born a Muslim and i have been to different religions claiming Christians also in search of the true religion.

WHY?

Unlike you who dismissed altogether all the signs you are seeing regarding God and faith in God i was about to give up but not so easily that's why i decided to tour round all these religions before running my own personal conclusion.

So if you are talking about faith in God as if it doesn't exist today you have met the one and only true religion so it's left for you to decide what you will do with this information.

Meanwhile you should have allowed members of these religions to come out and refute what i'm telling you!🙂

Mattswaggz:
There is no such thing as "one and true religion"......you are where you have found peace personally and that's all.
Religions are the workings of men and not of the Lord.

MaxInDHouse:
Most people just want to see changes but the truth is 0.009% wants to change!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
So it's humans who wrote the Bible and at the same time made it possible to go throughout the world, gathered peace lovers and made them a global family of peace loving worshipers. Right? Isaiah 2:2-4
It's humans who wrote that during the end time politics will make people hate people and lead them into killing themselves? Revelation 6:3-4
And it's the same humans who arranged that a religion will emerge where members will view themselves as one family despite coming from different nations throughout the earth shey?
Come on my guy that's a miracle and no intellectual no matter how atheistic you are could say it's just as a coincidence!🙂

Mattswaggz:
Yes it's humans with greater psychological capabilities than you'll ever dream of having. And what do you mean by during the "end time"?......Humans have been fighting and killing themselves for as long as they were in existence to some extent and they'll keep on doing it......you don't need to be a genius to make such predictions.