₦airaland Forum

pinkguy:
Because state police will prevent terrorist movement to south of country , please don't forget they already have their state police (sharia police) but the don't want Christian state should have their own Police

pinkguy:
Because state police will prevent terrorist movement to south of country , please don't forget they already have their state police (sharia police) but the don't want Christian state should have their own Police

IkeOnyia:
This is not true. Northern Governors forum have long endorsed state police. The Nigerian Governors Forum have given go-ahead for state police. The delay is coming from President Tinubu. He is the one playing games.

UzorIyke:
Although you're right by the Northern and Nigerian Governors Forum endorsement of the state police, but they did it in unanimously especially Northern Nigeria, so I belive some of them will be kicking against it at the back, like one of the governor, I have forgotten his name and state, said that his state can not fit the expenses and budgets.

pinkguy:
Because state police will prevent terrorist movement to south of country , please don't forget they already have their state police (sharia police) but the don't want Christian state should have their own Police

chiagozien:
Also tell us why South West are against self rules and having country of their own?

nairalanda1:
1.Sharia police, or hisbah is unarmed and basically would be wiped out by any bandits...they can't investigate crime, or enforce an arrest on a criminal for stealing. And so forth. They are equivalent to the varied enforcement agencies that exist in many of our states.

2.Also, no state can afford state police, even the christian ones. If you want state police so that the christian states can prevent terrorist movement, be prepared to pay heavy duty taxes for the funding, or forget about it. No state, even Lagos, has the ability to fund a proper police force for city policing...talkless of a police force that would be expert in fighting the bandits in the bush

Such a police force would need drones, heavy machine guns, helicopters, armoured vehicles, all terrain vehicles, and very good rifles..and all that costs money. Note that they also need training facilites, and not just some glorified secondary school or something, good forensic laboratory, and crucially good records....and very good salaries and conditons of service.

In this country where most state budgets are tiny, state police no go work for now. You can call me bandit defender, or any other name, but me, I don't mind state police, but the problem again is...funding.

WizardOfNG:
Bro, no disrespect but you are flat wrong with all your talk by taln country mile. Nigeria, per here security challenges, need to work smarter and not harder. A concept State or regional policing will facilitate.

I can't adress all your argument because that is not need as it is sufficient to simply make the central point that Nigeria needs more intelligence-based policing and far greater DNA database profiing of crime, which State/regional policing will allow, than guns, drones and all els you mention.

Look at the response of chatGPT below, citing London Met Police I know well having lived in the City majority of my life, to understand you simply need to consult successful world-class security expert who will confirm what i shown below as behind the success of many developed nation regarding crime-fighting.

Read the conclusion below and understand it well.

nairalanda1:
Well, at the end of the day, no state can afford a well equipped state police, when even your federal government can't afford a well equipped National police, and frequently has to call the army to save their blushes.

You don't have to agree with me, of course.

pinkguy:
please we should stop talking about fund please,, recently nassarawa state Governor said the the state is receiving not less than 30 billion every month, we have the fund please

nairalanda1:
1.Sharia police, or hisbah is unarmed and basically would be wiped out by any bandits...they can't investigate crime, or enforce an arrest on a criminal for stealing. And so forth. They are equivalent to the varied enforcement agencies that exist in many of our states.

2.Also, no state can afford state police, even the christian ones. If you want state police so that the christian states can prevent terrorist movement, be prepared to pay heavy duty taxes for the funding, or forget about it. No state, even Lagos, has the ability to fund a proper police force for city policing...talkless of a police force that would be expert in fighting the bandits in the bush

Such a police force would need drones, heavy machine guns, helicopters, armoured vehicles, all terrain vehicles, and very good rifles..and all that costs money. Note that they also need training facilites, and not just some glorified secondary school or something, good forensic laboratory, and crucially good records....and very good salaries and conditons of service.

In this country where most state budgets are tiny, state police no go work for now. You can call me bandit defender, or any other name, but me, I don't mind state police, but the problem again is...funding.

Tolumiide:
Funding is problem everywhere. Even Nigeria as a country is underfunded. Let's start it and grow with it.
You said even Lagos can not fund a proper police force. For your information, Lagos is richer than over 20 African countries and this countries operate both militaries and police forces with several other ministries.

nairalanda1:
30 billion naira...

Okay.

pinkguy:
https://businessday.ng/news/article/nasarawa-now-gets-n30bn-monthly-due-to-tinubus-economic-reforms-gov-sule/

nairalanda1:
No I am not doubting the amount but the states are going to need even far more than 500 billion naira monthly to set up a standard police force .

30 billion naira don't cut it. Once salaries and contracts and other things have been paid , there won't be enough

If you want a decent police force, not a miniature version of the Nigeria police, you got to spend the money

pinkguy:
no the need 60 trillion dollars well done sir

nairalanda1:
1.Sharia police, or hisbah is unarmed and basically would be wiped out by any bandits...they can't investigate crime, or enforce an arrest on a criminal for stealing. And so forth. They are equivalent to the varied enforcement agencies that exist in many of our states.

2.Also, no state can afford state police, even the christian ones. If you want state police so that the christian states can prevent terrorist movement, be prepared to pay heavy duty taxes for the funding, or forget about it. No state, even Lagos, has the ability to fund a proper police force for city policing...talkless of a police force that would be expert in fighting the bandits in the bush

Such a police force would need drones, heavy machine guns, helicopters, armoured vehicles, all terrain vehicles, and very good rifles..and all that costs money. Note that they also need training facilites, and not just some glorified secondary school or something, good forensic laboratory, and crucially good records....and very good salaries and conditons of service.

In this country where most state budgets are tiny, state police no go work for now. You can call me bandit defender, or any other name, but me, I don't mind state police, but the problem again is...funding.

Whalis:
We don't know where our priorities lie. State police that northern military will come to attack if they arrest any of their persons.

WizardOfNG:
Is something wrong with you? Why can't you people ever stay on topic without mentioning Yorubas and the SW malevolently even when they have nothing to do with the discussion?

@OP.

I agree with you. Remember Malami, as AGF, allowed all kinds of militia groups to operate in the North but believed it best to leave the South exposed by initially declaring Amotekun illegal.

Malami knew if he signed off on Amotekun other regions may be encouraged to do same meaning the South would be better prepared to protect themselves against his Fulani marauders he did everything to protect and ensure remained above the law.

Also valid is the fact most Northern leaders want grazing routes into the South retained as way for Fulanis to have spying eyes in the South for Northern leader who are petrified of the region making clandestine plane to depart Nigeria. They feel they must always have their eyes and ears on the ground in the South.

Any disbelieving this should inspect the utterances and body language of a whole President, i.e Buhari, who should be about modern and more profitable animal husbandry related to ranching that could turn Northerners into very rich cattle and livestock farmers.

Neetherlands did precisely same to turn livestock farming into one of the powerhouse source of income for their economy.

Why then would Buhari insist that "no going back on open grazing", whereas Tinubu declared "open grazing no longer tenable", if him and his Fulani cabal had no hidden agenda and mean well?

What is the profit for any side ( Nigeria or the North) chasing regressive practices causing serious security challenges for Nigeria yet doing nothing progressive or economically liberating for Northern livestock farmers?

Many Northern leaders will always back regressive practices for Nigeria they have used successfully in the North to suppress, disenfranchise and subdue the talakawa class.

This is something many southerners do not realise and the the reason the South must always get her complete 8 years to lead Nigeria progressively.

With security of the world and Nigeria now a major issue, this is why it is even more important an independent-minded and resolute Southern leader like Tinubu (since Northern president will hardly move to promote what makes Nigeria safer) is President.

Not a weakling like GEJ, always scared of the North, and will always declare "Nigeria not ripe for State policing".

nairalanda1:
1.Sharia police, or hisbah is unarmed and basically would be wiped out by any bandits...they can't investigate crime, or enforce an arrest on a criminal for stealing. And so forth. They are equivalent to the varied enforcement agencies that exist in many of our states.

2.Also, no state can afford state police, even the christian ones. If you want state police so that the christian states can prevent terrorist movement, be prepared to pay heavy duty taxes for the funding, or forget about it. No state, even Lagos, has the ability to fund a proper police force for city policing...talkless of a police force that would be expert in fighting the bandits in the bush

Such a police force would need drones, heavy machine guns, helicopters, armoured vehicles, all terrain vehicles, and very good rifles..and all that costs money. Note that they also need training facilites, and not just some glorified secondary school or something, good forensic laboratory, and crucially good records....and very good salaries and conditons of service.

In this country where most state budgets are tiny, state police no go work for now. You can call me bandit defender, or any other name, but me, I don't mind state police, but the problem again is...funding.

Gotocourt:
is the federal police efficient?

drawingbook:
I will hope that he starts with 3 or 4 states, see how it goes before gradually getting the whole country into it. That's how the US did theirs. If attempts to do it all at once. I'm not too sure how it may turn out.

nairalanda1:
No, and that's a big reason why states won't do better.

Funding for the federal police is scanty. To the point that we don't have up to ten police helicopters in Nigeria, for example. SO, expecting states to suddenly be able to pony up money for a decent police force is asking for too much...unless you want a state police force that is lightly armed and drives hiluxes

States like Zamfara and Kebbi for example...the have bandit problems. That means they need even more than what the Nigeria police has, and it is going to cost a lot of money

States like Bayelsa too..yes they get oil money via derivation, but they need a very strong state police to combat pipeline vandals and piracy...meaning they have to have better weapons and boats than the pirates and vandals.

Note that I am not opposed to state police. I am just showing you guys that it is not that simple to set up. If we lie to ourselves that there is money to do it, we will end up with state police forces that can't do anything about crime at all.

nairalanda1:
Better face reality, old man. We need far more than just 30 billion naira for a state to have state police...unless you just want a minature version of the Nigeria police in every state that would be chased away by bandits at first fight.

pinkguy:
u sound like bandit

IkeOnyia:
This is not true. Northern Governors forum have long endorsed state police. The Nigerian Governors Forum have given go-ahead for state police. The delay is coming from President Tinubu. He is the one playing games.

nairalanda1:
Well

1. Technically, crimes commited by army personell are handled by the milltary police (even in America...the Navy has the NCIS, the Army has the MP and the Air force has the air police)...so police men should in principle not arrest a member of the armed forces.

2.Also, army officers have no right to attack police.

3.The problem is a lack of coordination between the police and the army in matters like these....which has not been addressed in decades.

Whalis:
I go with your number three. There is no doubt the reason of this state police. The menace of Fulani herders. No one is ready to talk about this. Rather the country decided to take the long route.