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Guestmale:
The same fraudulent mind in the heart of certificate forger is the same in the heart of someone who knew he is not popular and acceptable to the people but lying in wait for election to take place before bringing up certificate issue after people have already voted their choice.

If becoming a governor or president is about certificate primary six school leaving certificate will not be the least qualification.

Democracy is the government of majority not minority, someone who scored 50k will not rule instead of someone who polled majority votes of 200k, like the way it happened in Bayelsa state. Instead a fresh election should be conducted excluding the certificate forger.

…….is the minimum certificate not primary school certificate?? Why forge waec or BSc??
. I dont know how it makes sense to you trying to let the certificate forger off the hook just because there is a time lag before certificate verification come back….

U should not apply or contest with a forged certificate in the first place….. why is this not plain black and white to you?? Why do u need to involve technicalities in telling the truth just because u want to justify fraud??

There was a country. APC is the worst mistake Nigerians ever made.

Nigerians, your APC politicians are proper unrepentant in-your-face CROOKS..


The funny thing is that these politicians still have supporters who are ready to kill.

tinibu d certificate forger

If we are serious in this country, the present senators and house of rep members should not return to that house come 2027. These people don't have the interest of the country at heart.They will definitely do worse if they return back to that position after 2027 election.

advanceDNA:
A wheelbarrow pusher contesting for a post he's not qualified for is the one thats fraudulent to begin with….
But as a normal nigeria that has fraud in his DNA it is not surprising at all that u are calling the person trying to correct the injustice of fraud the fraudulent person……

U cannot give what you dont have… a fraudulent wheelbarrow contestant will rig, snatch ballot, rob nigerians of their comment wealth, and of course rewrite laws to make certificate forgers get away with fraud…… but sadly u see nothing wrong with this….

You don't get it? If you are a better contestant, then beat him at the poll. When you wait till the election is over and now go to tribunal to disqualify him and put you that have lesser numbers of votes in the position, you have cheated the electorate.
The results says the electorate doesn't want you, but you want to come in through another means.
If he rig, snatch ballot boxes etc, that would be an election matter and the tribunal can declare his votes invalid.
The rule is you should occupied the position that the people voted you into.
Remember what happened in Bayelsa years back where a governor elect was disqualified because the deputy governor elect has changed names multiple times, and a person not elected was imposed as governor on the state. In such situations, let's not allow the person to contest in the first place only to disqualify him after he has won.
Such system is cheating the people.

Berankis:
What is this one saying?

If you don't understand, consult any JSS 2 student around to interpret the post to you.

By the time the Agbado sifu is through ehn the emergency lovers and tribal serfs egging him on will not have any say in Nigeria again
Even the military never removed that clause because Fraud is a very big no no worldwide
Can you imagine a mechanic with a scapel claiming to be a surgeon?
The outcome is clear
Integrity is KEY
Wealth can never wash away a lack of Integrity
QED
Meanwhile lokan lokan

Elusive001:
Any who man who worked hard to pass through the secondary school and university, yet supports APC and Tinubu needs to be given 600 years in prison.

Seconded

Why all these, they should scrap out education as a requirement for election into public office.

advanceDNA:
Thats the problem with nigeria… we dont run it as a company that should have good ethics.. we want to do wateva we like just becos we are elected officials ..we now establish laws to bypass system??

How on earth will u make a law that if u fraudulently by pass a system u shouldn't be held accountable..

Una dey try oooooo

There's no bypass here, this same thing is obtainable in many countries across the world. Before election: courts may disqualify the candidate. After election, removal usually requires impeachment + court confirmation. Not just courts removing an elected official. Maybe the world is 'fraudulent', but it's the usual practice in many democracies. They call it balance of power, it's not a Nigerian thing. You must be aware of the US president being impeached twice and even convicted. He'd have been long gone in Nigeria.

advanceDNA:
Oga u are just justifying evil….. nothing more
thats why i used a company analogy… because there is always a time lag when btw submitting certificates a and confirming the authenticity which applies to elections as well….

But hey….. you lack so much integrity that you are trying to play around with words just to justify fraud.. what do u even mean by “forgery doesnt mean hes not qualified?? “

Oga…. If u forged a certificate it means u are not qualified for what you are applying for its that simple.

How do u say a doctor is qualified when he forged his MBBS certificate? Oga how…?? because he can use a 10-blade and carry out medical procedures?? Haaa?

Dont u get what qualified means?? u ddnt meet the established requirement yet u lied and forged the paper….. but somehow.. u are justifying it…. No wonder this country is like this…. And pple like u will be leaders tomorrow??

When i said forgery, i clearly explained it as an ACCUSATION. Accusing someone is different from conviction or disqualification. Point is, make your accusations before the elections, not after. Under the Constitution of the United States, removing a president is intentionally difficult to prevent political instability. That's why you'd hardly see them having awkward election cycles.
In your company illustration again, both parties have usually agreed to verification and consequences. If there's no such agreement, the company can be sued, that's law for you. You can't sack people for whatever reason without compensation, except you both agreed. That's how the law works.

Na only mumu outrage we go see! So Nigerians cannot make concerted efforts to recall these legislators that pass these rubbish laws to serve as deterrent to others? I am done with pitying Nigerians who expect the country to change from just making a lot of noise with no action.

Geeoriginal:
You don't get it? If you are a better contestant, then beat him at the poll. When you wait till the election is over and now go to tribunal to disqualify him and put you that have lesser numbers of votes in the position, you have cheated the electorate.
The results says the electorate doesn't want you, but you want to come in through another means.
If he rig, snatch ballot boxes etc, that would be an election matter and the tribunal can declare his votes invalid.
The rule is you should occupied the position that the people voted you into.
Remember what happened in Bayelsa years back where a governor elect was disqualified because the deputy governor elect has changed names multiple times, and a person not elected was imposed as governor on the state. In such situations, let's not allow the person to contest in the first place only to disqualify him after he has won.
Such system is cheating the people.

U are just introducing technicality into a black and white issue…. If u are a criminal/a forger of requirements u shouldn't be at the polls in the first place …
. U are just trying to justify fraud and getting away with it, when u and i know it takes more than the pple coming out to support and vote to win elections in nigeria…

.. it involves snatching of ballot
… plenty Violence & coercing
…. Vote buying which goes to highest bidder
… and rigging by inec officials….

So please sir.. whats all these ur pretence of “beat him at the poll” when u and I know there are many angles to it…u are one of those “go to court pple,” yet you want to also limit pple’s ability to go to court on a matter that is still very fresh….

If what happened in bayelsa is your bone of contention elections can be reconducted ..…but saying a fraudulent contestant should be allowed to sit in an office he fraudulently gained access to begin with?? Haba!! Oga u pple should have better standards and not look for ways justify wrong doing


Una dey try oooo

Image123:
When i said forgery, i clearly explained it as an ACCUSATION. Accusing someone is different from conviction or disqualification. Point is, make your accusations before the elections, not after. Under the Constitution of the United States, removing a president is intentionally difficult to prevent political instability. That's why you'd hardly see them having awkward election cycles.

Oga Oga……..there is a time lag of months btw elections and swearing in of an elected official……so this is not removing a sitting president…
.u are just introducing technicalities into a simple matter to justify allowing an official who fraudulently gained access to office remain there……

Image123:
In your company illustration again, both parties have usually agreed to verification and consequences. If there's no such agreement, the company can be sued, that's law for you. You can't sack people for whatever reason without compensation, except you both agreed. That's how the law works.

Isnt it clear that agreement is what you pple are bypassing with electoral reforms… have u seen a company remove its right to be able to challenge fraudulent employees…??

Why will any system, a national one for that matter introduce what makes fraud more unchallengeable ?? there is no where in the world this is seen as normal..….?? Thats the system being fraudulent to allow fraud….

Image123:
It's an issue of FORGERY, not that he's unqualified. IF you feel that his certificate was forged, go to court before elections. Don't bring up such matters AFTER elections. Disqualify him before the process starts. Commonsense. It's like saying VAR should disqualify a goal after the competition or World Cup, when the winner has gone home and collected all money and prizes, and everyone in the country has rejoiced and the whole world has reported it. In short, don't complicate things. Sort it out on time. This is not much to ask as we grow our democracy and reforms.

You used a football based analogy with VAR.

In athletics, after you finish the competition, if your lab tests come out positive for drugs, they disqualify you and give your opponent the title retrospectively.

As much as I love Tinubu, this is a policy that is nauseating to me.

Racoon:
"In every professional field today, people are required to present certificates and evidence of competence before they are employed. Yet we are lowering the bar for those who want to govern millions of people and make laws for the country.

This is a very unfortunate development. The amendment looks like a legislative overreach aimed at favouring the interest of one individual while undermining the integrity and credibility of our electoral process.

Why are we sending our children to school? Why are families spending huge amounts of money on education if we are beginning to suggest that academic qualifications no longer matter in public leadership?

The issue is the constitution never required education for leadership but experience. It states that just minimum of 15 years experience. You may be welders carpenter or vulcaniser, so long your people loves you to lead them. The constitution is accommodating everyone wether formal education or not reason forgery was removed so a carpenter will not need to go and forge certificate of his primary school.

It's really not too good in this century but I don't mind if my councillor is a mechanic. once he is loved by my people and can do well in my ward.

I fully agree with your submission

Geeoriginal:
You don't get it? If you are a better contestant, then beat him at the poll. When you wait till the election is over and now go to tribunal to disqualify him and put you that have lesser numbers of votes in the position, you have cheated the electorate.
The results says the electorate doesn't want you, but you want to come in through another means.
If he rig, snatch ballot boxes etc, that would be an election matter and the tribunal can declare his votes invalid.
The rule is you should occupied the position that the people voted you into.
Remember what happened in Bayelsa years back where a governor elect was disqualified because the deputy governor elect has changed names multiple times, and a person not elected was imposed as governor on the state. In such situations, let's not allow the person to contest in the first place only to disqualify him after he has won.
Such system is cheating the people.

advanceDNA:
Oga Oga……..there is a time lag of months btw elections and swearing in of an elected official……so this is not removing a sitting president…
.u are just introducing technicalities into a simple matter to justify allowing an official who fraudulently gained access to office remain there……



Isnt it clear that agreement is what you pple are bypassing with electoral reforms… have u seen a company remove its right to be able to challenge fraudulent employees…??

Why will any system, a national one for that matter introduce what makes fraud more unchallengeable ?? there is no where in the world this is seen as normal..….?? Thats the system being fraudulent to allow fraud….

A president is a president na, whether elected or sitting i didn't specify. It simply makes sense to sort out those issues pre-election than after. No one is saying that you shouldn't sort out the issues or that you should forge documents. What we are saying is that there should be order and time for everything. That's why it's called REFORM, an attempt to improve. They've looked at the past and probably looked around other democracies. Democracy is about the will of the people, not primarily about courts. Tribunals are to try to make sure that the will of the people/majority prevails. They are charged with checking if there was cheating or rigging IN the election. They shouldn't be the ones to solve your past village problems. It is not bypassed but ordered/arranged. If you have a problem with the person you're contesting with, solve it before the contest begins. It's not new, too much or unreasonable to ask.
No one has made fraud unchallengeable. You can challenge fraud at any time but there's a process.
Again, a company depends on employment law and the employment contract. Which differs from place to person. Same way the electoral system depends on electoral law and contract. Some elected officials have immunity, some don't. If they do anything criminal, you can always use legal means to convict them. Like i mentioned earlier, it's not a new thing or Nigerian thing. Ask the US that most of us are following.

TheBizGenius:
You used a football based analogy with VAR.

In athletics, after you finish the competition, if your lab tests come out positive for drugs, they disqualify you and give your opponent the title retrospectively.

As much as I love Tinubu, this is a policy that is nauseating to me.

Now, excuse me. Let's be more reasonable, as this is a discussion forum. There's no need to subject your opinion or that of any other to tribal, party, religious or people sentiments. The issue has little or nothing to do with Tinubu. It doesn't affect him in anyway, neither is he the only elected official that the law applies to. He doesn't have any case of forgery, neither can any be proved or even raised as we speak. With all the media noise, none of his opponents raised a case of forgery against him. Reno Omokri that did his due diligence got convinced. So, it's not a Tinubu position, or a muslim position, or APC position or tribal position. It's an electoral reform, worked on by over 300 people elected from all the states in the country including the FCT.
i rightly used VAR in my analogy because it is relatable. It's used to check cheating and mistakes before the end of the game. You don't use it after everyone has gone home and collected their cups and monies.
As for athletics, you should understand that lab results can come out long after the competition, so the athletes and their federations are agreed on it. They test them before and after and randomly, especially the winners/medalists. for them, post-competition testing is especially important. Why, because performance enhancing drugs are most detectable after exertion. This is clearly different from a forged certificate that you should have checked out before elections. In athletics, pre-competition tests are easier to evade, so until such technology is found, they'd likely continue that method. Another reason is that samples are stored for up to 10 years, and as detection technology improves, laboratories can re-test them. It's an entirely different scenario from what we're talking about.

Image123:
A president is a president na, whether elected or sitting i didn't specify. It simply makes sense to sort out those issues pre-election than after.

If we can bring evidence later to prove a prisoner is not guilty so they can gain their freedom…. Why cant we do same for hidden or covered up evil……
Why do u think this is okay for a presidential or elected office but not okay for any other office or job??

Image123:
No one is saying that you shouldn't sort out the issues or that you should forge documents. What we are saying is that there should be order and time for everything.

i ask again why do u think fraudulent elect official should be left to enjoy their fraudulent victory even after being exposed… but u dont think same should apply to a fake doctor who started practicing medicine with falsified university certificates?? Baba u are just a hypocrite with double standards

Image123:
That's why it's called REFORM, an attempt to improve.

This is not an improvement.. this is a loophole to make it possible for forgery to thrive and put a limit on the possibility of being exposed...i do not see any benefit in it order than encouraging those who want to falsify documents to improve their profile …

Image123:
They've looked at the past and probably looked around other democracies. Democracy is about the will of the people, not primarily about courts.

lol… U lie…. In nigeria…. Democracy is about rigging, vote buying, ballot snatching and violence.. and yes…. these activities are done by fraudulent contestants so ur point holds no water……

Image123:
Tribunals are to try to make sure that the will of the people/majority prevails. They are charged with checking if there was cheating or rigging IN the election.

There are many angle to an election like i mentioned….pretending its just the will ofnthe people here in nigeria is just lies..
if it is just about the will of the pple…. Lets just shout online and let the person with the biggest supporters be sworn in….
But no.. we spent billions to organise a well established election with documents required.. then u are here introducing fraudulent technicalities after requirement has been established… shiorr

Image123:
They shouldn't be the ones to solve your past village problems.

what does this even mean?? , u are very dishonest in your submission trying to water down established documentation required before elections….:how can u liken documents required for contesting to village problems?? Conversation with you is becoming nauseating …

Image123:
No one has made fraud unchallengeable.

lolbut thats what you are trying to establish…. what is being done here is creating limitation in exposing fraud…. Whats worse is that its a fresh fraud yet u want limitations to be applied even before swearing in…. Baba.. yall are the dame with your corrupt leaders
….

advanceDNA:
If we can bring evidence later to prove a prisoner is not guilty so they can gain their freedom…. Why cant we do same for hidden or covered up evil……
Why do u think this is okay for a presidential or elected office but not okay for any other office or job??

i ask again why do u think fraudulent elect official should be left to enjoy their fraudulent victory even after being exposed… but u dont think same should apply to a fake doctor who started practicing medicine with falsified university certificates?? Baba u are just a hypocrite with double standards

This is not an improvement.. this is a loophole to make it possible for forgery to thrive and put a limit on the possibility of being exposed...i do not see any benefit in it order than encouraging those who want to falsify documents to improve their profile …

lol… U lie…. In nigeria…. Democracy is about rigging, vote buying, ballot snatching and violence.. and yes…. these activities are done by fraudulent contestants so ur point holds no water……

There are many angle to an election like i mentioned….pretending its just the will ofnthe people here in nigeria is just lies..
if it is just about the will of the pple…. Lets just shout online and let the person with the biggest supporters be sworn in….
But no.. we spent billions to organise a well established election with documents required.. then u are here introducing fraudulent technicalities after requirement has been established… shiorr

what does this even mean?? , u are very dishonest in your submission trying to water down established documentation required before elections….:how can u liken documents required for contesting to village problems?? Conversation with you is becoming nauseating …

lolbut thats what you are trying to establish…. what is being done here is creating limitation in exposing fraud…. Whats worse is that its a fresh fraud yet u want limitations to be applied even before swearing in…. Baba.. yall are the dame with your corrupt leaders
….

Ask your mentors, the US. i cannot force you to be reasonable.

Image123:
Now, excuse me. Let's be more reasonable, as this is a discussion forum. There's no need to subject your opinion or that of any other to tribal, party, religious or people sentiments. The issue has little or nothing to do with Tinubu. It doesn't affect him in anyway, neither is he the only elected official that the law applies to. He doesn't have any case of forgery, neither can any be proved or even raised as we speak. With all the media noise, none of his opponents raised a case of forgery against him. Reno Omokri that did his due diligence got convinced. So, it's not a Tinubu position, or a muslim position, or APC position or tribal position. It's an electoral reform, worked on by over 300 people elected from all the states in the country including the FCT.
i RIGHTLY used VAR in my analogy because it is RELATABLE. It's used to check cheating and mistakes BEFORE THE END OF THE GAME. You don't use it after everyone has gone home and collected their cups and monies.
As for athletics, you should understand that lab results can come out long after the competition, so the athletes and their federations are agreed on it. They test them before and after and randomly, especially the winners/medalists. for them, post-competition testing is especially important. Why, because performance enhancing drugs are most detectable after exertion. This is clearly different from a forged certificate that you should have checked out before elections. In athletics, pre-competition tests are easier to evade, so until such technology is found, they'd likely continue that method. Another reason is that samples are stored for up to 10 years, and as detection technology improves, laboratories can re-test them. It's an entirely different scenario from what we're talking about.

Heheheheheheh.

First and foremost, I used Tinubu's name as the head of the organization when the policy was made, not because of politics, tribe, forgery case etc.

Secondly, your 2nd point is moot as you have become your own prosecution, judge and jury in your own case.

>>I RIGHTLY used VAR
The fact that you believe you were right by cherry picking a sporting activity that fits your narration is called confirmation bias, in psychology.

Subject yourself to a black swan test and realize that many games, including sports, would show how wrong you are.

>>it is RELATABLE
To who, exactly? Football players? The public? The politicians? The market women? The lawyers?

>>BEFORE THE END OF THE GAME
You used an activity that the gravity of consequences is considered minimal as such, people just move on. The "game" of governance is not perceived in the same mold by the public.

Note:
Your argument is for the COMPETENCE of the politician who wins the favor of the people and the election but other people are talking about the CHARACTER of the politician who is willing to cheat his way into being elected.

Both arguments have different basis and can not negate each other.

But note that the long term impact on the nation is by the character of its leaders not the charming charisma that a politician needs to win an election.

This is why you chose football & VAR that has a very short life span (90 minutes) for consequences.

Image123:
Ask your mentors, the US. i cannot force you to be reasonable.

Hahahahhaha…. …..you who wants fraudulent elected officials to enjoy a short window by which they can be exposed for fraud is saying he wants another person to be reasonable….

The irony is nauseating….

TheBizGenius:
Heheheheheheh.

First and foremost, I used Tinubu's name as the head of the organization when the policy was made, not because of politics, tribe, forgery case etc.

Secondly, your 2nd point is moot as you have become your own prosecution, judge and jury in your own case.

>>I RIGHTLY used VAR
The fact that you believe you were right by cherry picking a sporting activity that fits your narration is called confirmation bias, in psychology.

Subject yourself to a black swan test and realize that many games, including sports, would show how wrong you are.

>>it is RELATABLE
To who, exactly? Football players? The public? The politicians? The market women? The lawyers?

>>BEFORE THE END OF THE GAME
You used an activity that the gravity of consequences is considered minimal as such, people just move on. The "game" of governance is not perceived in the same mold by the public.

Note:
Your argument is for the COMPETENCE of the politician who wins the favor of the people and the election but other people are talking about the CHARACTER of the politician who is willing to cheat his way into being elected.

Both arguments have different basis and can not negate each other.

But note that the long term impact on the nation is by the character of its leaders not the charming charisma that a politician needs to win an election.

This is why you chose football & VAR that has a very short life span (90 minutes) for consequences.

Lolz, i can't afford to stress myself. ROI things

advanceDNA:
Hahahahhaha…. …..you who wants fraudulent elected officials to enjoy a short window by which they can be exposed for fraud is saying he wants another person to be reasonable….

The irony is nauseating….

Ask your mentors, the US. i cannot force you to be reasonable.

Image123:
Lolz, i can't afford to stress myself. ROI things

Lol.

Don't mind me. I have all the time in the world.

Being an investor, with nothing but time on his hands, has its perks, I guess.

Image123:
Ask your mentors, the US. i cannot force you to be reasonable.

Please how did US enter the conversation… ??go back and check our dialogue history… u are the one who repeatedly brought the US into the issue to justify ur fraudulent mentality

adekolaelect:
This is unfortunate and embarrassment for this country. You made law not to question the certificate of the higher offices holders but a mere cleaning work in your offices needs certificates before you could employed them . Africans are slave and greedy in nature .

Please stop blaming Africans, is this not what you people wanted? You've achieved it...

When some of us were rejecting Tinubu, you people were busy fighting for him, you've achieved your goal, why are you now complaining?

Please don't bring in Africans into this....

advanceDNA:
Please how did US enter the conversation… ??go back and check our dialogue history… u are the one who repeatedly brought the US into the issue to justify ur fraudulent mentality

Ask your mentors, the US. i cannot force you to be reasonable.

Brendaniel:
Please stop blaming Africans, is this not what you people wanted? You've achieved it...

When some of us were rejecting Tinubu, you people were busy fighting for him, you've achieved your goal, why are you now complaining?

Please don't bring in Africans into this....

Tinubu wrote the Electoral act reforms? That's some very powerful human.