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nairalanda1:
no

it's more than mechanisation, as you can see.

Also most rice farmers are smallholders. They would need to.pirchase a lot of land, a lot of machinery and have a decent water source as well as energy source to be able to scale up rice production.

That means a very large loan. Banks in Nigeria infamously don't loan money to farmers

You've been making excuses for these farmers/producers on this thread. So what happened to Buhari's anchor borrowers program?

nairalanda1:
Okay, don't complain about loss of jobs and lack of jobs then, just hail tinubu and move on...

so some people have to starve to death to keep some people working.

tasalanoni:
That's an extremely reckless and uninformed assertion to make. The Buhari administration rolled out different schemes aimed at achieving local sufficiency but the question is "How much of it got to the farmers?" The funds were looted by the same people who were charged with the responsibility of dispensing it. Farms inputs that were to be distributed to farmers had "NOT FOR SALE " boldly written on the bags ended being sold by the very same people.
They rich commodity traders mopped up every grain in the market at harvest to store and sell later for bigger margins even at the expense of farmers who were struggling to pay off debts incurred during the farming season.

I disagree with you sir.

I have not talked about the farming instruments extended by Buhari government to the farmers to achieve sufficiency. Whether those things got to the farmers or sold in the market all bothers on corruption within the government and that's a story for another day.

What I said was that Buhari had the lofty idea of encouraging our local farmers to grow our own food and reduce reliance on food importation by placing a ban on importation of some food items, especially rice and corn, which forms the majority of the foods we eat in this country.

Forget the government intervention on tools. Going to the farm to cultivate and then bringing the product of your own labour to the market for good cash, and in a market where there demand for your products is in itself, a motivation.

Before the ban, nobody ate local rice. So, it's an opportunity for them to improve and prove themselves that they could actually grow what we eat.

But greed took the better part of them and they capitalized on the fact that we could no longer turn to imported rice and they moved up prices beyond our reach.

I could remember, a paint of foreign rice used to be N700. It went up as high as N8,000 because they knew we had no option. That's when they started telling us that the cost of production was high.

The cost that was not high when it was competing with the foreign rice in the market that it was even sold cheaper than foreign rice just to encourage us to buy.

Farmers should rather come together to produce on a large scale so they can enjoy economies of scale. That way they can bring down the prices of their production and they can sell to the masses at a reasonable price.

Come to think of it, foreign rice would come by the sea, incurring logistics, shipping and customs duties in the process, and something that is produced in this country and moved from the farm to the market will be more expensive than the one that has crossed the sea. You too check it now.

Lanretoye:
so some people have to starve to death to keep some people working.

so some.people.have to starve to death so that you can have cheap food?

akpumping7720:
You've been making excuses for these farmers/producers on this thread. So what happened to Buhari's anchor borrowers program?

Dear boy, you've missed my point

They were not alive before.

nairalanda1:
so some.people.have to starve to death so that you can have cheap food?

let them keep their rice or feed it to their families…let’s see who will starve to death.

Lanretoye:
let them keep their rice or feed it to their families…let’s see who will starve to death.

So, let you work for your money, or get side hustle, or buy cheaper food than rice, and leave those who can afford it to afford it.

No one should suffer because you want rice to be N200 per 50kg bag.

nairalanda1:
So, let you work for your money, or get side hustle, or buy cheaper food than rice, and leave those who can afford it to afford it.

No one should suffer because you want rice to be N200 per 50kg bag.

so what’s the millers cry all about?,then never start cry o…even the evil people too can’t leave imported rice for their useless unhealthy produce.they have enough to eat with their family,Nigerians don’t deserve dog food as rice.

Lanretoye:
so what’s the millers cry all about?,then never start cry o…even the evil people too can’t leave imported rice for their useless unhealthy produce.they have enough to eat with their family,Nigerians don’t deserve dog food as rice.

Go and buy the food you can afford. Leave those who can afford rice to afford rice. No dey argue for reduction in price.

Innovation can create double the rice mills wiped out. Depends on your thinking 🤔. Is the cup half full or half empty?
See possible scenarios, for entrepreneurs willing to profit from the opportunity by buying a rice mill about to close at a bargain and converting it into an exporting industry.
https://chatgpt.com/share/69b82fb2-6300-8013-bff6-070bae1a6685

nairalanda1:
Dear boy, you've missed my point

Pele ooooo arugbo ojo....

akpumping7720:
Pele ooooo arugbo ojo....

It matters not, you missed the point.

nairalanda1:
It matters not, you missed the point.

K

nairalanda1:
It's because you don't own a business or run a business that you are speaking like that. (note that I did not say that exploitation doesn't happen...but it is not as widespread as you think).

A lot goes into producing rice in this country, compounded by the fact that the climate in the major rice growing areas doesn't favor them, and by the fact that transport and other costs have gone up in this tinubu economy.

What you are indirectly suggesting is government price controls on domestically produced rice. Countries that have tried that have always ended up with scarcity of food and any other product government puts price controls on, because no human being likes to do work for free or for poor wages, so that others can enjoy 'cheap food'.

And it usually backfires on the economy.

You better learn that things cost money, plus you don't effing have to eat rice every day.

Why should I buy a local product for an exorbitant price? When I can buy a better version of that product elsewhere for a cheaper price..

I can't make myself unhappy just to make greedy farmers rich and happy

nairalanda1:
They can't because their operating costs are higher than the Thais and the Brazilians. If they did that they would be broke in minutes and there would be no rice production in Nigeria in a few years

The fact that mills have to run on diesel generators instead of mains power supply, the high cost of transporting rice and the fact that Nigerian rice producers cannot meet national demand fully all contribute to the high operating costs

Everything in Nigeria run on diesel. Why are hotels, breweries and etc in Thailand and Brazil not selling their products three times more costly than in Nigeria? The farmers and millers are simply riding on high demand to increase prices which is also what is happening in the cement sector

tasalanoni:
That is where a responsible leadership comes in. I'm a farmer and I can tell you with every measure of certainty that the price difference entirely based on yield advantage..
In major rice producing countries across the world, farming isn't a blind practice of scattering grains and prayerfully waiting for a harvest. It is real science! Paddy fields are properly leveled to precision to guarantee water distribution, land preparation is excellent for achieve the fine silt necessary to eliminate poor germination and guarantee reccomend plant population per area, seeds are carefully produced to eliminate undesirable genetic traits, nutrient supplementation is data driven and not reckless, irrigation is available to support natural rain feeding in drought spells, harvest operations are timely and silos are accessible to minimize post-harvest losses, security is priority without farmer-herder hostilities. The average per hectare yield across Nigeria hovers around 2tons while an upwards of 8tons is normal in many parts of the Asian rice bowl ecology.

Rather than invest in land development, irrigation, input subsidies, government storage and buyback/ end consumer subsidy, and tackling insecurity, the government of the day chose the seemingly easier but unsustainable option of importation. It all screams politics and never people or policy driven leadership!

There have always been local and foreign rice and there was no time that one was triple the price of the other before importation was banned. There is no justification for the huge price difference more than high demand

lawani:
Everything in Nigeria run on diesel. Why are hotels, breweries and etc in Thailand and Brazil not selling their products three times more costly than in Nigeria? The farmers and millers are simply riding on high demand to increase prices which is also what is happening in the cement sector

Remember also that Thailand and brazil have the weather and climate advantage.

nairalanda1:
Remember also that Thailand and brazil have the weather and climate advantage.

1.2 or 1.1 times the international price may be condone able but three times the international price is not. Where on Earth does that kind of thing happen? Wages of labourers in Brazil and Thailand will be higher than in Nigeria and we always have had local and imported rice side by side with similar pricing. The governors should assist their farmers to make sure they are able to produce competitively. They should be able to do it

LegendHero:
Bring back the 90 rice mill and increase the bag of rice back to N120k.

I’m sure Nigerians will love it

SARCASM at its peak

tasalanoni:
That is where a responsible leadership comes in. I'm a farmer and I can tell you with every measure of certainty that the price difference entirely based on yield advantage..
In major rice producing countries across the world, farming isn't a blind practice of scattering grains and prayerfully waiting for a harvest. It is real science! Paddy fields are properly leveled to precision to guarantee water distribution, land preparation is excellent for achieve the fine silt necessary to eliminate poor germination and guarantee reccomend plant population per area, seeds are carefully produced to eliminate undesirable genetic traits, nutrient supplementation is data driven and not reckless, irrigation is available to support natural rain feeding in drought spells, harvest operations are timely and silos are accessible to minimize post-harvest losses, security is priority without farmer-herder hostilities. The average per hectare yield across Nigeria hovers around 2tons while an upwards of 8tons is normal in many parts of the Asian rice bowl ecology.

Rather than invest in land development, irrigation, input subsidies, government storage and buyback/ end consumer subsidy, and tackling insecurity, the government of the day chose the seemingly easier but unsustainable option of importation. It all screams politics and never people or policy driven leadership!

Guy what you wrote here is mind blowing. This is optimum agriculture. Do you mean there are farmers who have attained this level of agriculture?

Willie2015:
Imported rice are always cheaper....
Cos of high domestic production costs of local rice...
Most foreign govt also provide subsidies for their farmers...
Subsidy lowers the export price which is cheaper than local rice price...

You mean Nigerian imported rice was subsidized?

ElevationD:
Local man’s eyes now are clearer.

Remember that Buhari shut the borders to enable local industries thrive? What happened thereafter? Farmers took undue advantage and began a price race against imported rice. They ensured that the prices of their locally produced rice became higher than imported rice, while lamenting of lack of incentives, grains, etc. They were all very deceptive and now with the borders opened again, they worked against themselves.

Nigerian produced rice variants much richer and nutritious then the imported variants. They get grains at cheap prices, yet they tell us that production costs make it more expensive than the imported ones. One wonders how. But if it is so, why don’t we continue with the imported variants?

The greed of the farmers will never let Nigerians have rice at decent prices. Buhari have them waivers, loans and grants, yet the greedy Nigerian farmers kept increasing the price of Nigerian rice.

Omo! But they should just list this cost of production making the prices of farm produce to go up so they can be attacked specifically.

bobogogo:
Nigeria local rice production is still low. Most local rice you see are from subsistence farming.

If rice is imported without restrictions today. It will be cheaper than local produce.

SpecialAdviser:
Very simple let me help you.
It is not just rice, many local productions are costlier than imported ones for a simple reason. The cost of production. The cost of production are cheaper in those countries that have steady electricity, good roads, water and other amenities. Electricity being the major factor.

Your country failed to provide basic amenities that will aid agriculture and production. You really need to be a disciple of MNK to understand why they call Nigeria ZOO

I think this angle makes sense. Good road means least time to reach destination and less fare, etc.

almarthins:
In fact you nail it. Imported is cheaper than locally produced nigeria rice. Government no fit tell them say na greed kill them(farmers).

I am sure if garri was to be imported too, e go dey cheaper than locally made garri. We be country of greedy people.

You are right. If garri is to be imported. The imported one will be cheaper.

Beautifulday:
If rice is imported without restrictions today. It will be cheaper than local produce.

Before the ban, it was around the same price but local rice became a delicacy as produced in Ofada and etc and it ended up being a bit more expensive than imported because of demand

safarifarms:
The whole idea of local rice production was not a well thought out one. Those countries we import from have competitive advantage. Their soil/environment favours rice production better than ours. They have far more yield with less effort. We should have focused on increasing production of things we have better advantage and export them instead of focusing on rice that caused untold hardship for the masses because of high cost of locally produced rice.

Wait! So this country have very intelligent people. Like you guys. Because this angle is good.

Focus on your strength and get stronger than doing everything and be good in nothing.

Svoboda:
The production of imported rice is highly subsidized by the exporting country. Some are even given export waivers, so as to compete favourably at the international market. Also, smuggled rice is usually cheaper than the local rice because the smugglers circumvent payment of duties and Tarrifs. This is an incentive this present govt has refused to offer our local rice farmers, because it wants quick fixes. Buharis notable successes in rice production have been set back 50 years by this govt. And this is just about rice. Wheat and corn farmers haven't publicly announced their lamentions yet.

Wow

nairalanda1:
The countries we import rice from, Thailand and Brazil, have something we don't have....year round rain and favourable conditions for growing rice nationwide all the. year round

So they can produce rice in large amounts yearly

In Nigeria,.most rice farming is done in the North which means it requires a lot of irrigation and heavy duty labor as rainfall there is not as much as in the other countries . That means that production cost for rice here is much higher than in Thailand or Brazil where irrigation is not necessary or needed much.

Also,.Nigerian rice producers can't meet up to half of the total rice demand. That creates relative scarcity.

Add transport costs and insecurity and poor road and transport networks as well as lack of large-scale farming of rice, and the reasons for the price being higher become clear

You need to write thesis on this and government should pay you. Leave what is not working and focus on what is working.

MONEY247:
Deisel.... Deisel..
Plants and manufacturers equipment run on Deisel and the cost effect reflects on production price of the product....

Simple explanation..

Until Nigeria solve its industry problems...
Importation is the best way to go

This phrase industry problems is heavy ooh. Can you give me idea of what you mean?