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Let the historical record be crystal clear and shouted from the rooftops: Israel did NOT just support ISIS , it HELPED BIRTH and nurture that monstrous creation. Iran had ZERO role in founding ISIS.

Israel has systematically bled Syria dry through relentless airstrikes, proxy chaos, and calculated destabilization.
Now it's doing the exact same thing to Lebanon , turning it into a bleeding wound, bombing civilian areas, assassinating leaders, and shattering lives without mercy.

And let's not forget the even bigger picture:
The United States literally midwifed Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. They poured billions in weapons, training, and cash into the mujahideen to bleed the Soviet Union ( all while a communist leader like Najibullah held power).

That Frankenstein monster they helped create turned on the world. It was NEVER Iran that founded Al-Qaeda. So before you rush to pick a side in this blood-soaked war , before you swallow the propaganda and point fingers at the wrong villains, THINK AGAIN.
Look at who actually plants these terrorist seeds, who waters them, and who then pretends to fight the harvest. The real architects of terror aren't always the ones being demonized in the headlines. The truth doesn't care about narratives. It demands you open your eyes.

panafrican:
Let the historical record be crystal clear and shouted from the rooftops: Israel did NOT just support ISIS , it HELPED BIRTH and nurture that monstrous creation. Iran had ZERO role in founding ISIS.

Israel has systematically bled Syria dry through relentless airstrikes, proxy chaos, and calculated destabilization.
Now it's doing the exact same thing to Lebanon , turning it into a bleeding wound, bombing civilian areas, assassinating leaders, and shattering lives without mercy.

And let's not forget the even bigger picture:
The United States literally midwifed Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. They poured billions in weapons, training, and cash into the mujahideen to bleed the Soviet Union ( all while a communist leader like Najibullah held power).

That Frankenstein monster they helped create turned on the world. It was NEVER Iran that founded Al-Qaeda. So before you rush to pick a side in this blood-soaked war , before you swallow the propaganda and point fingers at the wrong villains, THINK AGAIN.
Look at who actually plants these terrorist seeds, who waters them, and who then pretends to fight the harvest. The real architects of terror aren't always the ones being demonized in the headlines. The truth doesn't care about narratives. It demands you open your eyes.

We can’t rewrite history just to fit a narrative.
Groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda didn’t just appear because of one country. They came out of a mix of war, power struggles, extremist ideology, and failed states. Reducing it to “Israel created ISIS” or “the U.S. created Al-Qaeda” is an oversimplification at best.
Yes, the United States supported Afghan fighters during the Soviet war but that’s not the same as directly creating Al-Qaeda. The situation evolved far beyond that.
Same with Israel. You can criticize its actions in Syria or Lebanon, but claiming it “birthed ISIS” without solid evidence is a serious accusation, not a fact.
And saying Iran had ZERO role in regional instability ignores its involvement in proxy conflicts across the Middle East.
If we’re going to talk about truth, then let’s actually respect how complex these issues are. No one is completely clean here but also, no one should be blamed with claims that aren’t backed by clear evidence.
Strong opinions are fine. But accuracy matters more.

Bros, supoort your islamic terrorists and leave us to support their antidote, israel.

Israel dey bleed Syria? No be una talk say their current president na Israeli stooge?

We will support israel bros. Support your islamic brothers and leave us alone.

panafrican:
Let the historical record be crystal clear and shouted from the rooftops: Israel did NOT just support ISIS , it HELPED BIRTH and nurture that monstrous creation. Iran had ZERO role in founding ISIS.

Israel has systematically bled Syria dry through relentless airstrikes, proxy chaos, and calculated destabilization.
Now it's doing the exact same thing to Lebanon , turning it into a bleeding wound, bombing civilian areas, assassinating leaders, and shattering lives without mercy.

And let's not forget the even bigger picture:
The United States literally midwifed Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. They poured billions in weapons, training, and cash into the mujahideen to bleed the Soviet Union ( all while a communist leader like Najibullah held power).

That Frankenstein monster they helped create turned on the world. It was NEVER Iran that founded Al-Qaeda. So before you rush to pick a side in this blood-soaked war , before you swallow the propaganda and point fingers at the wrong villains, THINK AGAIN.
Look at who actually plants these terrorist seeds, who waters them, and who then pretends to fight the harvest. The real architects of terror aren't always the ones being demonized in the headlines. The truth doesn't care about narratives. It demands you open your eyes.

You wrote against taking sides but went straight to take sides... What a horribly disingenous mumbo jumbo

Elusive001:
Bros, supoort your islamic terrorists and leave us to support their antidote, israel.

Israel dey bleed Syria? No be una talk say their current president na Israeli stooge?

We will support israel bros. Support your islamic brothers and leave us alone.

Support your kid diddlers in peace.

Just don't burden the world with such acts.

Flangelo12:
Support your kid diddlers in peace.

Just don't burden the world with such acts.

Israel na the cure for una madness true, true.

That small Jewish girl do that madman strong thing oooo

Oracleee:
We can’t rewrite history just to fit a narrative.
Groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda didn’t just appear because of one country. They came out of a mix of war, power struggles, extremist ideology, and failed states. Reducing it to “Israel created ISIS” or “the U.S. created Al-Qaeda” is an oversimplification at best.
Yes, the United States supported Afghan fighters during the Soviet war but that’s not the same as directly creating Al-Qaeda. The situation evolved far beyond that.
Same with Israel. You can criticize its actions in Syria or Lebanon, but claiming it “birthed ISIS” without solid evidence is a serious accusation, not a fact.
And saying Iran had ZERO role in regional instability ignores its involvement in proxy conflicts across the Middle East.
If we’re going to talk about truth, then let’s actually respect how complex these issues are. No one is completely clean here but also, no one should be blamed with claims that aren’t backed by clear evidence.
Strong opinions are fine. But accuracy matters more.

if you are a female and single, I wouldn't think twice to shoot my shot. I just love the way you articulated your quote. I love reading from intelligent people

Truth is its an unnecessary war because you cant call for a revolution without the people participation..

America have a history of funding rebels against a ruling govt and later those rebels becomes problem

Same talibans the Americans went to war against in Afghanistan are the ones ruling today

merrymike47:
if you are a female and single, I wouldn't think twice to shoot my shot. I just love the way you articulated your quote. I love reading from intelligent people

Gbamsulotey, l liked his or her presentation

There will be peace in the middle east the day Europeans and Americans tell the Zionists " we do not believe in your BS
, you have done enough harm , you are on your own "

AngelicBeing:
Gbamsulotey, l liked his or her presentation

as in, no be cho cho cho, he/she is loaded.

merrymike47:
as in, no be cho cho cho, he/she is loaded.

Exactly, we have many of them on Nairaland, they think with their brains and they are walking encyclopedia in different kinds of fields

Oracleee:
We can’t rewrite history just to fit a narrative.
Groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda didn’t just appear because of one country. They came out of a mix of war, power struggles, extremist ideology, and failed states. Reducing it to “Israel created ISIS” or “the U.S. created Al-Qaeda” is an oversimplification at best.
Yes, the United States supported Afghan fighters during the Soviet war but that’s not the same as directly creating Al-Qaeda. The situation evolved far beyond that.
Same with Israel. You can criticize its actions in Syria or Lebanon, but claiming it “birthed ISIS” without solid evidence is a serious accusation, not a fact.
And saying Iran had ZERO role in regional instability ignores its involvement in proxy conflicts across the Middle East.
If we’re going to talk about truth, then let’s actually respect how complex these issues are. No one is completely clean here but also, no one should be blamed with claims that aren’t backed by clear evidence.
Strong opinions are fine. But accuracy matters more.

The people clutching their pearls about "both sides" being to blame for the chaos in the Middle East are peddling a lazy, ahistorical cop-out that whitewashes Israel's decades-long record of aggression, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes while pretending Iran's actions exist in a vacuum.

Palestinians didn't start this in 1948, they were the ones forcibly expelled from their homes in the Nakba, with hundreds of thousands driven out through massacres, village destructions, and terror.

Since then, they've been on the defensive against ongoing occupation, settlement expansion, blockades, and systematic dispossession. Iran didn't invent that resistance; it exploited and amplified existing grievances.

And let's talk Sabra and Shatila in 1982: Israeli forces surrounded the camps, lit flares at night to guide the Phalange militias in, and stood by as those militias raped, mutilated, and slaughtered thousands of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians over three days.

Israel's own Kahan Commission found Ariel Sharon personally responsible for ignoring the foreseeable bloodshed and failing to prevent it—yet he faced no real punishment, later becoming prime minister.
That's not "complexity"; that's enabling massacre.

Fast-forward to today: Netanyahu literally pulls out a punch-card "hit list" of Iranian officials in front of the US ambassador, bragging about "erasing" names after assassinations (like recent strikes killing senior figures), laughing it off as proof he's alive amid rumors.

He boasts Israel is "wiping them out" to stop nuclear threats. If Iran's president did the exact same (parading a list of Israeli leaders marked for death next to a foreign envoy) the Western media, governments, and "both-sides" commentators would scream "state terrorism" and "existential threat" from every rooftop, demanding sanctions, strikes, regime change.
But when Netanyahu does it? Crickets, or at best mild tut-tutting about "tone."

The double standard is glaring: Israel's open boasts about targeted killings, extraterritorial assassinations, and collective punishment get framed as "self-defense" or "complex security needs," while any Iranian response is proof of an irredeemable "terror axis.

Let's be crystal clear here : pretending that "Iran's backing of Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, and others" creates a "complex situation " or is morally equivalent to Israel's foundational role in Palestinian dispossession and repeated invasions/occupations/ genocide is deliberate obfuscation

"Both sides are bad" or "no one is clean" is the language of those who want to dilute accountability for the stronger, occupying power and keep the status quo intact.
Call it what it is: Israel's crimes aren't excused by Iran's support to those who are being invaded.
Refusing to name Israel's primary role in the oppression and violence at the heart of this mess is just complicity dressed up as nuance.

panafrican:
The people clutching their pearls about "both sides" being to blame for the chaos in the Middle East are peddling a lazy, ahistorical cop-out that whitewashes Israel's decades-long record of aggression, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes while pretending Iran's actions exist in a vacuum.

Palestinians didn't start this in 1948, they were the ones forcibly expelled from their homes in the Nakba, with hundreds of thousands driven out through massacres, village destructions, and terror.

Since then, they've been on the defensive against ongoing occupation, settlement expansion, blockades, and systematic dispossession. Iran didn't invent that resistance; it exploited and amplified existing grievances.

And let's talk Sabra and Shatila in 1982: Israeli forces surrounded the camps, lit flares at night to guide the Phalange militias in, and stood by as those militias raped, mutilated, and slaughtered thousands of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians over three days.

Israel's own Kahan Commission found Ariel Sharon personally responsible for ignoring the foreseeable bloodshed and failing to prevent it—yet he faced no real punishment, later becoming prime minister.
That's not "complexity"; that's enabling massacre.

Fast-forward to today: Netanyahu literally pulls out a punch-card "hit list" of Iranian officials in front of the US ambassador, bragging about "erasing" names after assassinations (like recent strikes killing senior figures), laughing it off as proof he's alive amid rumors.

He boasts Israel is "wiping them out" to stop nuclear threats. If Iran's president did the exact same (parading a list of Israeli leaders marked for death next to a foreign envoy) the Western media, governments, and "both-sides" commentators would scream "state terrorism" and "existential threat" from every rooftop, demanding sanctions, strikes, regime change.
But when Netanyahu does it? Crickets, or at best mild tut-tutting about "tone."

The double standard is glaring: Israel's open boasts about targeted killings, extraterritorial assassinations, and collective punishment get framed as "self-defense" or "complex security needs," while any Iranian response is proof of an irredeemable "terror axis.

Let's be crystal clear here : pretending that "Iran's backing of Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, and others" creates a "complex situation " or is morally equivalent to Israel's foundational role in Palestinian dispossession and repeated invasions/occupations/ genocide is deliberate obfuscation

"Both sides are bad" or "no one is clean" is the language of those who want to dilute accountability for the stronger, occupying power and keep the status quo intact.
Call it what it is: Israel's crimes aren't excused by Iran's support to the those who are being invaded.
Refusing to name Israel's primary role in the oppression and violence at the heart of this mess is just complicity dressed up as nuance.

There’s real history in what you’ve written, but you’re still turning a complex situation into a one-sided narrative.
Yes, the Nakba in 1948 led to mass Palestinian displacement. That’s a documented and painful part of history.
Yes, the Sabra and Shatila massacre happened, and Israel’s own Kahan Commission found leadership especially Ariel Sharon indirectly responsible for failing to prevent it.
Those are serious facts, and they shouldn’t be minimized.

But acknowledging that doesn’t mean everything else becomes simple.
Iran’s role in the region isn’t just “amplifying grievances.” It has actively funded and armed groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, which have carried out attacks on civilians. That’s part of the cycle of violence too.
Israel, on the other hand, has carried out military operations that have caused civilian harm and drawn global criticism. That also can’t be ignored or excused.
The problem is this: once you frame one side as the sole aggressor and the other as purely reactive, you stop describing reality, you start defending a position.

History here isn’t clean. Power imbalances exist, yes but so do multiple actors making decisions that escalate conflict.
Saying “both sides have responsibility” isn’t always a cop-out. Sometimes it’s an attempt to avoid replacing one oversimplification with another.
If we actually care about truth, then we have to be consistent: call out wrongdoing wherever it happens, not just where it fits a narrative.

Oracleee:
There’s real history in what you’ve written, but you’re still turning a complex situation into a one-sided narrative.
Yes, the Nakba in 1948 led to mass Palestinian displacement. That’s a documented and painful part of history.
Yes, the Sabra and Shatila massacre happened, and Israel’s own Kahan Commission found leadership especially Ariel Sharon indirectly responsible for failing to prevent it.
Those are serious facts, and they shouldn’t be minimized.

But acknowledging that doesn’t mean everything else becomes simple.
Iran’s role in the region isn’t just “amplifying grievances.” It has actively funded and armed groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, which have carried out attacks on civilians. That’s part of the cycle of violence too.
Israel, on the other hand, has carried out military operations that have caused civilian harm and drawn global criticism. That also can’t be ignored or excused.
The problem is this: once you frame one side as the sole aggressor and the other as purely reactive, you stop describing reality, you start defending a position.

History here isn’t clean. Power imbalances exist, yes but so do multiple actors making decisions that escalate conflict.
Saying “both sides have responsibility” isn’t always a cop-out. Sometimes it’s an attempt to avoid replacing one oversimplification with another.
If we actually care about truth, then we have to be consistent: call out wrongdoing wherever it happens, not just where it fits a narrative.

Well, deliberately conflating cause and effect (by portraying Palestinian resistance as one of the causes of a "complex situation" ) does nothing but perpetuate and worsen the suffering.

Palestinian resistance did not create the conditions of oppression; it is the predictable response to them.

Israel's military campaign, widely described by human rights experts, scholars, and international bodies as genocidal in intent and scale (through mass killing, forced starvation, displacement, and destruction of entire communities), is not a symmetrical "both sides" situation.

To pretend otherwise is not nuance, it is a rhetorical sleight of hand that shields the aggressor, excuses atrocities, and ensures the cycle of violence continues indefinitely, nothing more, nothing less.
True justice and peace require distinguishing the oppressor from the oppressed, the occupier from the occupied, and the perpetrator of genocide from those resisting it. Anything less only prolongs the horror in favor of the villain.