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Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 9:12pm On Mar 21
DeepSight:
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Send me a DM so i email you my response on Iran. I keep getting banned when i post it.
Don't worry, we will continue with that some other time
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 12:21am On Mar 22
tctrills:
I think I have finally been able to decide your problem with Christianity and religion in general.
tctrills:
You might be right. Obedience to God means going beyond the natural desires and urges.
If God asks you to do anything, obedience would give you blessings.
As Zi said, I have finally been able to understand you.
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Finally been able to understand me in what sense. How?
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 12:23am On Mar 22
tctrills:
Don't worry, we will continue with that some other time
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I feel there are important points to be made.

Anyway the Strait is not fully closed about a hundred ships still go through daily and secondly you don't condemn the lack of planning and daily change of mouth and self contradiction of Trump in this. Also you discount that it is natural for a weaker side to use every natural leverage at its disposal, you discount also that they were attacked in the middle of negotiations.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 6:52am On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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I feel there are important points to be made.

Anyway the Strait is not fully closed about a hundred ships still go through daily and secondly you don't condemn the lack of planning and daily change of mouth and self contradiction of Trump in this. Also you discount that it is natural for a weaker side to use every natural leverage at its disposal, you discount also that they were attacked in the middle of negotiations.
So you have said a lot that I don't agree with.
Let's look at them one by one.
1. The Strait is basically closed and that's why your petrol is so expensive.
Here are the stats, before the war, ~120 to 138 ships used the Strait daily now, approximately 250 oil tankers and over 3,000 total commercial vessels are currently estimated to be anchored outside the Strait in the Gulf of Oman, waiting for the security situation to stabilize.

Iran has directly attacked oil production of its innocent neighbours. They have attacked fresh water production. But of course, it's the US fault.

2. You spoke about the lack of planning and there again, I don't think you know what you are talking about.

It has been just 22 days of war, you have taken out your enemies entire leadership, their entire navy, air force, air defence, 90% of their missile and drone capability, and even their ability to pay their military. You did all this in just 22 days and extremely minimal casualties then you are accused of not planning.
Make it make sense.
This is one of Americas most planned and successful wars by any metrics.
Please explain why you think it wasn't planned out.
Still talking about planning, do you remember when the Russian/Ukraine war started? The price of gas in the US went up much higher than this. Then, it was only Russian oil supply that was disrupted. Now, it's the entire gulf supply that is disrupted yet the US is handling it much better.
I really hope you can show how this was not planned.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 7:04am On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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Finally been able to understand me in what sense. How?
You have created your own morality and you judge God by it. You have decided what must be right and what is wrong and if God is not able to make your standards, He is false.
By your standards, God shouldn't be able to send His son to pay the price of sin.
God shouldn't be able to test His servant's unquestionably obedience.
The only way you agree with God is if He lives by your rules.
But as the human that you are, that is a very arrogant and shallow position to take.
You believe that you can't be wrong. Your moral compass is always on point, God has to adjust to you.
God's plan in sending Jesus Christ shows mercy, Justice for all and great love but since it's not your style, you disapprove.
Abraham passing the test shows faith and God's ultimate wisdom but then, God shouldn't have the right to ask you to sacrifice what He gave you
In short, you have become God unto yourself. You really don't need another God.
You are bigger than all religions, none will fit you.
I will keep having these arguments with you because I enjoy doing it but now, I know your position. You challenge God because you think you know better and can do better.

Can we do something fun for once, maybe on another thread. You will be God and I will be asking you questions to see how you will do things differently from the Christian God.
I would ask you questions about almost every topic, sin, forgiveness, sacrifice, war, slavery, whatever comes to my mind to see how you would rule if you were God
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 7:15am On Mar 22
tctrills:
You have created your own morality and you judge God by it. You have decided what must be right and what is wrong and if God is not able to make your standards, He is false.
By your standards, God shouldn't be able to send His son to pay the price of sin.
God shouldn't be able to test His servant's unquestionably obedience.
The only way you agree with God is if He lives by your rules.
But as the human that you are, that is a very arrogant and shallow position to take.
You believe that you can't be wrong. Your moral compass is always on point, God has to adjust to you.
God's plan in sending Jesus Christ shows mercy, Justice for all and great love but since it's not your style, you disapprove.
Abraham passing the test shows faith and God's ultimate wisdom but then, God shouldn't have the right to ask you to sacrifice what He gave you
In short, you have become God unto yourself. You really don't need another God.
You are bigger than all religions, none will fit you.
I will keep having these arguments with you because I enjoy doing it but now, I know your position. You challenge God because you think you know better and can do better.
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We all have something called a conscience, at least most of us do, a few have killed thier conscience.
Most of us know instinctively that it is wrong to murder your child at the command of any religious voice as a sacrifice. For that reason most of us will never do such a thing. In fact most of us will go to war with such a voice.

Look, let me tall you something, I dont think I am above God, that will be absurd, we are too miniscule in the scheme of things and I am generally agnostic about this reality at all events,

You have to understand that for me, that barbaric entity described in the OT is NOT God.
It is some pagan iteration of a deity with flashes of goodness and a great deal of barbarity.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 7:16am On Mar 22
tctrills:
Can we do something fun for once, maybe on another thread. You will be God and I will be asking you questions to see how you will do things differently from the Christian God.
I would ask you questions about almost every topic, sin, forgiveness, sacrifice, war, slavery, whatever comes to my mind to see how you would rule if you were God
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Interesting experiment. Lets go for it, it may be fun.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 7:18am On Mar 22
tctrills:
So you have said a lot that I don't agree with.
Let's look at them one by one.
1. The Strait is basically closed and that's why your petrol is so expensive.
Here are the stats, before the war, ~120 to 138 ships used the Strait daily now, approximately 250 oil tankers and over 3,000 total commercial vessels are currently estimated to be anchored outside the Strait in the Gulf of Oman, waiting for the security situation to stabilize.

Iran has directly attacked oil production of its innocent neighbours. They have attacked fresh water production. But of course, it's the US fault.

2. You spoke about the lack of planning and there again, I don't think you know what you are talking about.

It has been just 22 days of war, you have taken out your enemies entire leadership, their entire navy, air force, air defence, 90% of their missile and drone capability, and even their ability to pay their military. You did all this in just 22 days and extremely minimal casualties then you are accused of not planning.
Make it make sense.
This is one of Americas most planned and successful wars by any metrics.
Please explain why you think it wasn't planned out.
Still talking about planning, do you remember when the Russian/Ukraine war started? The price of gas in the US went up much higher than this. Then, it was only Russian oil supply that was disrupted. Now, it's the entire gulf supply that is disrupted yet the US is handling it much better.
I really hope you can show how this was not planned.
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This is why I need to make that full post. I have saved it but lai lai, I get banned whenever I post it. I have edited it so many times to make it as pure as a gospel, still the same thing.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 7:27am On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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We all have something called a conscience, at least most of us do, a few have killed thier conscience.
Most of us know instinctively that it is wrong to murder your child at the command of any religious voice as a sacrifice. For that reason most of us will never do such a thing. In fact most of us will go to war with such a voice.

Look, let me tall you something, I dont think I am above God, that will be absurd, we are too miniscule in the scheme of things and I am generally agnostic about this reality at all events,

You have to understand that for me, that barbaric entity described in the OT is NOT God.
It is some pagan iteration of a deity with flashes of goodness and a great deal of barbarity.
Yes we have conscience, that's why we are able to have this discussion. But conscience alone is not able to guide us as a group that's why we all have our different moral standards. That's why you will find a kind and loving person supporting Israel and another loving and kind person on the Palestinian side. Conscience has never been enough and conscience is not constant. What was right to a person in ancient Rome might be wrong to you today.
But then, you have decided that you will be the ultimate test for God. That's a bit different. He is not able to direct your conscience.
You have a Gen Z God notion. But God existed and ruled in the time of old when moral codes were very different from yours. God related to men in primitive times and He appealed to their hearts in ways they understand. He taught and tested their faith according to the times.
But you look at God through the prism of your present day experience. You are so short sighted.
You create rules for the giver of life. You decide what live He can take and how He should. It doesn't work that way.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 7:29am On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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This is why I need to make that full post. I have saved it but lai lai, I get banned whenever I post it. I have edited it so many times to make it as pure as a gospel, still the same thing.
Then create a new thread and I will join you.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by sonmvayina(m): 7:29am On Mar 22
tctrills:
No, no, no, first ask Gemini to tell you who heard Alexander the Great speak. I asked you to do something, but you have not done it. You are requesting something from me. Do what I asked earlier, then you can ask your questions.
Also, be prepared to answer the same quest
ions for Alexander the Great
so you are putting Alexander the great in the same category as your god. That is refreshing. so because Alexander lived, Jesus must live too....be commiting all the fallacy . till the day your eyes willbeopen.
just like Justin martyre said, will put Jesus in the same category as Dionysus and Perseus..He is more closer to the truth.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 7:29am On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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Interesting experiment. Lets go for it, it may be fun.
I think it will be.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 7:36am On Mar 22
TcTrills, I had listed other repugnant aspects of Christian teaching as follows -

- The doctrine of the Trinity which is blasphemous

- The teaching of eternal hell fire which is barbaric

- The ritual of communion which is negatively pagan in essence, to the extent that it is said to be a representation of eating human flesh and drinking human blood

- The teaching that you must love Jesus more than you love your parents

- The doctrine of inherited sin, which casts blame on the innocent

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Since we have tackled Trinity elsewhere with the 20 verses you decided to delete from the bible, let us address the others.

Start with eternal hell fire.

Do you believe in this?
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 7:46am On Mar 22
tctrills:
Yes we have conscience, that's why we are able to have this discussion. But conscience alone is not able to guide us as a group that's why we all have our different moral standards. That's why you will find a kind and loving person supporting Israel and another loving and kind person on the Palestinian side. Conscience has never been enough and conscience is not constant. What was right to a person in ancient Rome might be wrong to you today.
But then, you have decided that you will be the ultimate test for God. That's a bit different. He is not able to direct your conscience.
You have a Gen Z God notion. But God existed and ruled in the time of old when moral codes were very different from yours. God related to men in primitive times and He appealed to their hearts in ways they understand. He taught and tested their faith according to the times.
But you look at God through the prism of your present day experience. You are so short sighted.
You create rules for the giver of life. You decide what live He can take and how He should. It doesn't work that way.
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I actually agree with the bold and in truth there is the problem of objective and subjective morality which a lot of old posters and I debated many years ago here -

https://www.nairaland.com/1520806/evolution-morality

You might find the thread interesting.

I also created a thread about the issue here -

https://www.nairaland.com/1294489/basis-human-morality

LordReed what is your take again, I believe we have also debated this.

Tctrills, let me put this question to you: Abram is said to have heard the voice of God directly right? Ok. However through most of the OT God spoke through prophets. How would it seem to you if a man calling himself a prophet came to you and gave you the same instruction to kill your child, saying the instruction is from God. How would you react?
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 7:46am On Mar 22
Since we have tackled Trinity elsewhere with the 20 verses you decided to delete from the bible, let us address the others.
Now, this is just unfair. I addressed all your concerns even from your 20 verses. Please go back to the discussion for memory sake. While you will not find a single verse in the bible that denied Jesus Christ's divinity, you will see enough to teach you that He is God.

Start with eternal hell fire.

Do you believe in this

The bible has described the final state of the wicked in different ways. Do I believe it's going to be real physical fire? No.
Other verses talk about Outer darkness.
But one thing is clear, the wicked will be separated from God and the righteous.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 7:50am On Mar 22
sonmvayina:
so you are putting Alexander the great in the same category as your god. That is refreshing. so because Alexander lived, Jesus must live too....be commiting all the fallacy . till the day your eyes willbeopen.
just like Justin martyre said, will put Jesus in the same category as Dionysus and Perseus..He is more closer to the truth.
No, I am only providing that you are not equipped to tell what is real or myth.
You don't know and no one including yourself should listen to you when it comes to this topic.

Just in case you don't know, the earliest known history of Alexander the Great was written 400 years after his death yet you believe he is real.
What's your metrics for deciding what is real or myth.You clearly seem not to have any.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 7:50am On Mar 22
tctrills:
Since we have tackled Trinity elsewhere with the 20 verses you decided to delete from the bible, let us address the others.
Now, this is just unfair. I addressed all your concerns even from your 20 verses. Please go back to the discussion for memory sake. While you will not find a single verse in the bible that denied Jesus Christ's divinity, you will see enough to teach you that He is God.
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There is still no point going back to it. Mind you, you never addressed all the verses. You spent most of your time addressing "Why do you call me good, only God is good." And you did a poor job.

Start with eternal hell fire.

Do you believe in this

The bible has described the final state of the wicked in different ways. Do I believe it's going to be real physical fire? No.
Other verses talk about Outer darkness.
But one thing is clear, the wicked will be separated from God and the righteous.
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We know it cant be physical, since its not a physical world, but the point is will it be eternal torture?
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 7:53am On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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I actually agree with the bold and in truth there is the problem of objective and subjective morality which a lot of old posters and I debated many years ago here -

https://www.nairaland.com/1520806/evolution-morality

You might find the thread interesting.

I also created a thread about the issue here -

https://www.nairaland.com/1294489/basis-human-morality

LordReed what is your take again, I believe we have also debated this.

Tctrills, let me put this question to you: Abram is said to have heard the voice of God directly right? Ok. However through most of the OT God spoke through prophets. How would it seem to you if a man calling himself a prophet came to you and gave you the same instruction to kill your child, saying the instruction is from God. How would you react?
That's why we have a responsibility to discover God and His prophets. If I receive a difficult or do I say strange commandment from someone I believe to be a prophet of God, I will pray and ask God. I wouldn't dismiss it just because it is hard or strange. Does this answer your question?
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 7:54am On Mar 22
tctrills:
No, I am only providing that you are not equipped to tell what is real or myth.
You don't know and no one including yourself should listen to you when it comes to this topic.

Just in case you don't know, the earliest known history of Alexander the Great was written 400 years after his death yet you believe he is real.
What's your metrics for deciding what is real or myth.You clearly seem not to have any.
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He was a person in secular history for heavens sake, he was a recorded King of Greece who conquered much of the known world, he also founded many cities which still stand today and some are named after him and still stand today, such as Alexandria in Egypt.

He is also not recorded to have done things which would put his story into the rank of myths such as walk on water, raise the dead, heal the sick, feed the five thousand, transfigure with Moses and Elijah, resurrect from the dead. All these things make a story sound very mythical.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 7:57am On Mar 22
tctrills:
That's why we have a responsibility to discover God and His prophets. If I receive a difficult or do I say strange commandment from someone I believe to be a prophet of God, I will pray and ask God. I wouldn't dismiss it just because it is hard or strange. Does this answer your question?
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No it does not.
You know in your heart that no man can tell you such and you will obey, prophet or not.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 7:59am On Mar 22
There is still no point going back to it. Mind you, you never addressed all the verses. You spent most of your time addressing "Why do you call me good, only God is good." And you did a poor job.
Go back to the thread. I did not address them one by one but I clearly touched everything. And you will never say I did a good job. But let's move on.


We know it cant be physical, since its not a physical world, but the point is will it be eternal torture?

Eternal punishment for the wicked... So, if the wicked will never be able to live with God and with the righteous, does that qualify as eternal punishment?
I believe there would be an eternal separation and yes, regret and sorrow.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 8:01am On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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No it does not.
You know in your heart that no man can tell you such and you will obey, prophet or not.
You did this yesterday, telling me what you think should be in my heart. I just told you that I will ask God but that can't satisfy you because I did not say what you want to hear.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 8:06am On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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He was a person in secular history for heavens sake, he was a recorded King of Greece who conquered much of the known world, he also founded many cities which still stand today and some are named after him and still stand today, such as Alexandria in Egypt.

He is also not recorded to have done things which would put his story into the rank of myths such as walk on water, raise the dead, heal the sick, feed the five thousand, transfigure with Moses and Elijah, resurrect from the dead. All these things make a story sound very mythical.
And you believe the historians but doubt the historians that wrote about Jesus Christ.
When they tell you that Alexandria was founded by Alexander the Great, you don't question.

So why do you choose to believe one over the other, what are your metrics. How do you tell that the history is not fabricated?
Educate me please.

Are you saying that secular history can't be completely false?

Also, while you are at it, can you list other religious leaders from 2000 years ago that you have more secular information about that Jesus Christ or are they all myths?
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 8:16am On Mar 22
tctrills:
And you believe the historians but doubt the historians that wrote about Jesus Christ.
When they tell you that Alexandria was founded by Alexander the Great, you don't question.

So why do you choose to believe one over the other, what are your metrics. How do you tell that the history is not fabricated?
Educate me please.

Are you saying that secular history can't be completely false?
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Sure, there is fabricated secular history but you will not find any secular history that contains all those miracles and alleged supernatural events.
At best you will have reports of what people claimed they experienced: e.g: Constantine the Great claiming that he saw a vision of Christ or the Cross or the Chi-Ro.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 8:18am On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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Sure, there is fabricated secular history but you will not find any secular history that contains all those miracles and alleged supernatural events.
At best you will have reports of what people claimed they experienced: e.g: Constantine the Great claiming that he saw a vision of Christ or the Cross or the Chi-Ro.
So you are saying that history is correct when it doesn't have supernatural events and supernatural events make it a myth.
Is that your metrics?
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 8:22am On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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Sure, there is fabricated secular history but you will not find any secular history that contains all those miracles and alleged supernatural events.
At best you will have reports of what people claimed they experienced: e.g: Constantine the Great claiming that he saw a vision of Christ or the Cross or the Chi-Ro.
I see you have responded to the Iran/US thread but somehow I am blocked from responding to you so we have to leave it for now.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by DeepSight(op): 10:25am On Mar 22
tctrills:
Then create a new thread and I will join you.
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Tried. Banned again.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by tctrills: 10:35am On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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Tried. Banned again.
Lol, I have given up. I guess the system suffers technical issues.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by LordReed(m): 2:32pm On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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I actually agree with the bold and in truth there is the problem of objective and subjective morality which a lot of old posters and I debated many years ago here -

https://www.nairaland.com/1520806/evolution-morality

You might find the thread interesting.

I also created a thread about the issue here -

https://www.nairaland.com/1294489/basis-human-morality

LordReed what is your take again, I believe we have also debated this.

Tctrills, let me put this question to you: Abram is said to have heard the voice of God directly right? Ok. However through most of the OT God spoke through prophets. How would it seem to you if a man calling himself a prophet came to you and gave you the same instruction to kill your child, saying the instruction is from God. How would you react?
Indeed we have bro.

My stance remains all morality is subjective and sometimes it is relative.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by triplechoice(m): 3:42pm On Mar 22
DeepSight:
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Tried. Banned again.
Don't reply to him directly. Click on the quote icon at the end of his post, copy the quoted text, and then paste it into a new reply. That way your post will appear as a separate response .
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by KobolanderSegun: 11:41pm On Mar 22
Truthseeker10:
Since you accept the teachings of Christ, why do humans die and what is the solution to death?
The death if Jesus Christ does have Scientific Liberating Properties.

In life transference of energy is highly critical for survival. Plants are alive and we pluck them off trees, we eat them and we survive. Animals eat each other to ward of starvation. When Animals die they decompose by being eaten by bacteria. The soil is nourished when a living thing dies on it as the living thing is broken down into chemicals which the soil uses. This life and death is the cycle of life.

The power of death

To become great you have to live for something and expend energy in something, this expending of energy is what gives life to ones vocation. To be a great musician you have to live for music and expend alot if energy in music, it is this expending if either mental energy, vocal energy that gives rise to higher quality in music

Most of the world's most successful people become that way because of high levels of expended energy. You buy a loaf of bread, workers went through a lot to produce that bread.

The world's best athletes like runners, basketballers expend high levels of energy

Gender Disparity
The reason why male athletes earn more than women is because male athletes expend more energy than female athletes

Victor Osimhen
The reason why Victor Osimhen is beloved in Galatasaray is because of his abnormally high levels of energy which he uses on the football field. Watching Victor Osimhen is highly liberating and awe inspiring.


As we age our tastes change. When we feel like we are tired we have a tendency to gravitate towards entertainment that refreshes us. When we are extremely tired the only type of entertainment than can revive us is one where the entertainment involves high levels of creativity, ingenuity and consumption of energy

Michael Jordan is widely regarded as the greatest athlete of all time because of his high levels of energy and energy decipation.

In romance when people fall deeply in love with each other the phrase " I will die for you " if often used. That phrase means " I will give up everything to make sure you survive ". Sadly unserious deceptive people also make such statements.

The Death of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Lived for the Truth and Died for the Truth.

Belief

That Jesus Christ died for you only has meaning if you believe he died for you. If you do not believe it has absolutely no value .

We have been in situations where we loved a woman like our lives depended on it but she did not believe despite the amount of kindness and consideration showed, because she did not believe does not mean your thoughts, words and actions were not true it means she closed herself to a reality that was real and some of her friends told her was real but despite enjoying the reality she refused to believe in a reality others saw.

As I said earlier Life and Death is the cycle of Life, all living things profit from the death of another organism.
Re: Tctrills: On The Repugnant Aspects Of Christian Doctrine by SIRTee15:
DeepSight:
TcTrills, I had listed other repugnant aspects of Christian teaching as follows -

- The doctrine of the Trinity which is blasphemous

- The teaching of eternal hell fire which is barbaric

- The ritual of communion which is negatively pagan in essence, to the extent that it is said to be a representation of eating human flesh and drinking human blood

- The teaching that you must love Jesus more than you love your parents

- The doctrine of inherited sin, which casts blame on the innocent

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Since we have tackled Trinity elsewhere with the 20 verses you decided to delete from the bible, let us address the others.

Start with eternal hell fire.

Do you believe in this?
Deepsight trust me I will answer all your questions convincingly. But first let's start with the sacrificial death of Christ as being unjust.

First understand what Christ did for us is self sacrifice. He died so we may live. He gave his life so we may not be destroyed forever. He said so himself.

we have multiple examples of that today.
will u call it unjust if A pregnant woman lose her life so that her baby may live. There are thousand cases of maternal death that were due to fetal morbidity. Yet no one ever said such childbirth is unjust.

There is a popular case of a Nigerian father who died while trying to rescue his daughter who was drowning in the swimming pool. This happened in a spanish resort.
The girl who was the only member of the family who could swim was drowning in the pool when the Father and her brother (both couldn't swim), jumped into the pool to rescue her. Unfortunately the 3 drowned and died.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-family-drowned-costa-del-sol-girl-drowns-in-pool-comfort-diya-115830341.html

Now will u call it unjust that the father and brother sacrificed their lives knowing fully well they couldn't swim to rescue the girl?
will u call such self sacrifice meaningless or unjust?

if u are called that your daughter is drowning in a beach and u can hear her calling your name for help, will u do everything within your means to rescue her or wait for the lifeguard to rescue her?
If u are told your house is on fire and u know fully well your children are at home. will u rush home and find ways to rescue them even if it will cost u your life or u will wait for the firefighter to put out the fire.
If u are told a gunman has held your kids to ransom and u are aware of a secret rescue plan, will u take the risk and rescue your kids even if it will cost u your life or u will wait for the police to sort it out?

A loving Father will do anything to rescue his children from perishing, that's because of the love he has for them.
Jesus Christ who is God in flesh knew he had what it takes to rescue humanity from eternal destruction and he never hesitated to sacrifice his life that humanity may be reedemed.
There's nothing unjust about self sacrifice. It's the ultimate prove of love. Christ giving his Life for us is the ultimate prove of his love for us.

Below are verses that made it clear that Christ mission on earth is self sacrifice.

John 10.18
No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.”

Matthew 26.28
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.”

John 10:11
“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.”

Matthew 20:28
“Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

John 15.13
What greater than this: for a man to lay down his life for his friends.

Jesus predicted his death 3 times during his ministry

Mark 8.31
And he began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Mark 9
30 They left that place and passed through Galilee. Jesus did not want anyone to know where they were, 31 because he was teaching his disciples. He said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise.”

Mark 10
33 “We are going up to Jerusalem,” he said, “and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles, 34 who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three days later he will rise.”

Throughout his ministry, Jesus reiterated his mission here on earth was to redeem mankind and rescue humanity from their own self destruction. We were dying and there was no escape, we trapped ourselves willfully. Christ knew there was no way out except his own self sacrifice. That is not unjust.

What is unjust is for u to have the power to safe someone from destruction but u deliberately held back for whatever reason, then u watch the person get destroyed. That is not only unjust but evil.

What is unjust is for your kid drowning to cry out for help and u did nothing but stood there watching her lose her life.
What is unjust is for u to refuse being a life saving donor to your own child because u are not willing to take the chance of losing your own life in the process.

God has the power to safe humanity from eternal destruction. He sent his son who has the same existence has himself who willingly self sacrificed his own life that we may be redeemed.

The prayer in the garden of Gethsemane only prove the mortal side of Jesus and that he's willing to give up his own desires to fulfil the will of his Father.
Christ knew if he gave up his life, his Father will bring it back again so he trusted the mission 100% without any doubt.

Finally have u asked yourself why Abraham was willing to kill and sacrifice Isaac when he was supposed to be the child of promise. God told Abraham he will fulfil his eternal covenant he made with Abraham via Isaac, yet God told him to sacrifice the same covenant child.
Why didn't Abraham protest? why didn't Abraham remind God Isaac cannot be killed at a young age since he's meant to be the covenant child.
FYI, Abraham was going to the mountain to kill that child, he wasn't going to hesitate.
SO why was Abraham willing to sacrifice his only covenant child if the child is the one to secure the covenant?
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