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aswani:
I am also not a President Tinubu anything so can't be in his WhatsApp group.

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And the chameleon 🦎 denied his own patron for the 3rd time today 🤗

aswani:
I can't do better than asking for proof, that's the best I can do.

As you said, we will return to this in a couple of weeks. Hopefully a different outcome than the previous ones where, not surprisingly, it would be postponed again with Judge Beryl Howell berating FBI and CIA again.

Once again, I will not begrudge you the right to bury your head in the sand, as you clearly wish to do. You are clearly in a state of intentional denial and obstinate gaslighting. It is your prerogative. Even if the trial judge sits in your bedroom, you'll still ask me the same asinine questions. Let's keep our fingers crossed for how long this matter will take to resolve.

ottersberger:
Once again, I will not begrudge you the right to bury your head in the sand, as you clearly wish to do. You are clearly in a state of intentional denial and obstinate gaslighting. It is your prerogative. Even if the trial judge sits in your bedroom, you'll still ask me the same asinine questions. Let's keep our fingers crossed for how long this matter will take to resolve.

In truth, I am impressed by the efforts you have made to source the information you did and I thank you for it.

There is a shift, albeit not as large as you would like, in my understanding and opinion on what is going on with this FOIA as a result of your efforts.

I apologise if you think my stance is gaslighting as it wasn't meant to be. The conversation we have had on this, despite being on opposite sides of the fence, has been enlightening to me. A major reason I come here as regularly as I do.

Unlike a few here, I don't expect to be right all the time so when I am wrong as I have been before, I see it as a great learning opportunity rather than something to be ashamed of or whatever.

Hope this clarifies my stance a bit more.

aswani:
In truth, I am impressed by the efforts you have made to source the information you did and I thank you for it.

There is a shift, albeit not as large as you would like, in my understanding and opinion on what is going on with this FOIA as a result of your efforts.

I apologise if you think my stance is gaslighting as it wasn't meant to be. The conversation we have had on this, despite being on opposite sides of the fence, has been enlightening to me. A major reason I come here as regularly as I do.

Unlike a few here, I don't expect to be right all the time so when I am wrong as I have been before, I see it as a great learning opportunity rather than something to be ashamed of or whatever.

Hope this clarifies my stance a bit more.

You've read me say it before, and I'll say it again: you're a different kind of opposition. I believe I can engage with you, and I can agree or disagree with you without being disagreeable. See you at our next disagreement, my friend!

ottersberger:
This raises a straightforward question: why would a sitting president make such an appeal? What exactly are the FBI, DEA, and possibly the CIA withholding?.

I suppose we will have to wait until June for more clarity. Be patient, my friend. Time, after all, reveals everything

Happy New Month and we thank Baba God for letting us make it this far so let's now revisit this even though admittedly some parts of the US are still in June 1.

We haven't heard any build up to this date by Hundeyin since the original post, remember that June 1 was the date specified in said post by the op in a text he culled from some Facebook page.

I don't doubt that we are soon going to get another post telling us how this has been postponed again and the FBI and CIA have been given a further date by an angry judge. After all. We have been enjoying this merry dance Hundeyin has been leading us on this matter over the past couple of years.

I of course also look forward to the release of these files like you do although I am sure this non-existent case would not be the catalyst.

We must do better, all of us!

aswani:
Happy New Month and we thank Baba God for letting us make it this far so let's now revisit this even though admittedly some parts of the US are still in June 1.

We haven't heard any build up to this date by Hundeyin since the original post, remember that June 1 was the date specified in said post by the op in a text he culled from some Facebook page.

I don't doubt that we are soon going to get another post telling us how this has been postponed again and the FBI and CIA have been given a further date by an angry judge. After all. We have been enjoying this merry dance Hundeyin has been leading us on this matter over the past couple of years.

I of course also look forward to the release of these files like you do although I am sure this non-existent case would not be the catalyst.

We must do better, all of us!

Happy New Month, brother.

I think it's still a bit early for speculation. To be honest, I can't recall the exact timeline in June, and I don't have the time at the moment to dig into the details. For now, let's be patient. These things usually have a way of sorting themselves out in due course. As the saying goes, time is a gentleman, and there is no need to rush ahead of the facts.

That said, I will ask for one promise from you.

If, when all the information is finally released and properly examined, including the redactions and the broader context, it turns out that the evidence supports the position of those who have long argued that Ahmed Tinubu bears responsibility for wrongdoing, then I hope you will approach the matter with an open mind.

And if the weight of the evidence proves persuasive, I expect not only that you'll become an Obidient, but that you'll also join us in the NDC and cast your vote for His Excellency, Peter Gregory Onwubuasi Obi.

Until then, let's allow the facts to speak for themselves.

ottersberger:
Happy New Month, brother.

I think it's still a bit early for speculation. To be honest, I can't recall the exact timeline in June, and I don't have the time at the moment to dig into the details. For now, let's be patient. These things usually have a way of sorting themselves out in due course. As the saying goes, time is a gentleman, and there is no need to rush ahead of the facts.

That said, I will ask for one promise from you.

If, when all the information is finally released and properly examined, including the redactions and the broader context, it turns out that the evidence supports the position of those who have long argued that Ahmed Tinubu bears responsibility for wrongdoing, then I hope you will approach the matter with an open mind.

And if the weight of the evidence proves persuasive, I expect not only that you'll become an Obidient, but that you'll also join us in the NDC and cast your vote for His Excellency, Peter Gregory Onwubuasi Obi.

Until then, let's allow the facts to speak for themselves.

I am promising you now that if this is all kosher, I will have an open mind on it. Remember I am not a President Tinubu supporter, I just don't like the calling a dog a bad name just to hang it.

I also can't follow Peter Obí, not with the Pandora papers thing.

I will stick with Prof Soludo or Bianca politically.

As advised, I will be patient.

aswani:
I am promising you now that if this is all kosher, I will have an open mind on it. Remember I am not a President Tinubu supporter, I just don't like the calling a dog a bad name just to hang it.

I also can't follow Peter Obí, not with the Pandora papers thing.

I will stick with Prof Soludo or Bianca politically.

As advised, I will be patient.

And governor Makinde?.

ottersberger:
And governor Makinde?.

Nah, not him.

He is a fully fledged member of the political class.

ottersberger:
Happy New Month, brother.

I think it's still a bit early for speculation. To be honest, I can't recall the exact timeline in June, and I don't have the time at the moment to dig into the details. For now, let's be patient. These things usually have a way of sorting themselves out in due course. As the saying goes, time is a gentleman, and there is no need to rush ahead of the facts.

Good morning and back to this again as we are in the middle of the month.

The original post said the hearing will be on June 1st, I will be churlish and say even if they are all watching the World Cup in The US and that has delayed proceedings somewhat, we should have heard something by now.

As I said, this is an Hundeyin nonsense that is non existent and we all, neutrals, Obidients and others, need to shut him down now.

He is going to fly this flag again claiming it's been postphoned to some other time in the future, he's been doing such nonsense for a few years now.

Without wanting to sound patronising and being mindful of the investigation you did which somehow gave the Hundeyin fake court thing some semblance of respectability, I think you should agree with me that this case never existed and was a dastardly money making venture directed at Obidients.

One that I am proud to say I am part of those that have helped expose if not shut down, on here, at least.

Once more, there is no Judge Beryl case, no FBI or CIA being told of for not releasing 5 million page files on President Tinubu, 500 pages a day and being ordered to do so at the next hearing.

aswani:
Good morning and back to this again as we are in the middle of the month.

The original post said the hearing will be on June 1st, I will be churlish and say even if they are all watching the World Cup in The US and that has delayed proceedings somewhat, we should have heard something by now.

As I said, this is an Hundeyin nonsense that is non existent and we all, neutrals, Obidients and others, need to shut him down now.

He is going to fly this flag again claiming it's been postphoned to some other time in the future, he's been doing such nonsense for a few years now.

Without wanting to sound patronising and being mindful of the investigation you did which somehow gave the Hundeyin fake court thing some semblance of respectability, I think you should agree with me that this case never existed and was a dastardly money making venture directed at Obidients.

One that I am proud to say I am part of those that have helped expose if not shut down, on here, at least.

Once more, there is no Judge Beryl case, no FBI or CIA being told of for not releasing 5 million page files on President Tinubu, 500 pages a day and being ordered to do so at the next hearing.

Brother, we are not proletarians, why should we begin to think and act in the terms demanded above. This case exists. I provided proof and stand ready to further substantiate the foundational facts, but I'm extremely busy at the moment. Be rest assured this case is being fought by someone who is interested in suffocating it.

While I am personally not sure what Mr Hundeyin is about, and I do not agree with his style of "journalism", but facts are facts and they are stubborn. If anyone claim that Tinubu has not brought himself into disrepute, then they are mistaken. The only argument I see is about the extent and the details.

Tinubu is currently the head of a government that has a parasitically lopsided relationship with the United States. Any damage to this relationship poses a serious risk to US global interests, especially in Africa, and to US security interests, particularly the US's ability to contain the rapid expansion of China and its extractive interests on the continent.

You must understand these things. If you were the US, would you rush to destroy Tinubu?. I provided you with information that irrefutably confirms the existence of a process regarding the subject of our conversation. I can actually retrieve all the necessary records, as I said, if necessary and my professional schedules permitting.

While I'm not sure why delays are occurring, I have been informed as to what that might portend. Diplomatic channels have been working on this thing, and will continue to do so. But this is the US justice system, things will eventually unravel. When?, I don't know. But stand by.

ottersberger:
Brother, we are not proletarians, why should we begin to think and act in the terms demanded above. This case exists. I provided proof and stand ready to further substantiate the foundational facts, but I'm extremely busy at the moment. Be rest assured this case is being fought by someone who is interested in suffocating it.

Your proof wasn't of a standard to suggests the case exists. What you provided was a portal of someone manually entering the fact that they went to court on certain days without any court documents.

Nothing about defense or prosecuting attorneys, nothing about start and end times, court address details, 3rd party presence, nothing.

A lot of other stuff you added in your response are quite frankly nothing to do with anything so I am unable to respond.

Bottom line is there is no proof this case and hearings exist in portals used by parties to the case. The June 1st deadline has passed, still nothing.

We do still live in hope that Hundeyin will out himself on this at some point. Too many smart folk (like you) are bring dragged into his vortex.

By the way, the guy that wrote that he had seen the documents from the original post of the thread, the Nigerian son of someone or the other based in Sweden, I did a Google search on him. He is real but his interest in this case, particularly the post, is fabricated. He also hasn't said anything about it in his social media output since and didn't in the run up to the phantom June 1st date.

We are dealing with a charlatan, admittedly a smart one, in Hundeyin. Please, you need to not let your feelings for President Tinubu becloud your reasoning. The seeds of this CIA files have taken too long to germinate.

The FOIA requested by Hundeyin's oyinbo friend ended with nothing to hold against President Tinubu. As it happens, both of them have now fallen out with each other. Indeed, there is no honour amongst crooks.

aswani:
Your proof wasn't of a standard to suggests the case exists. What you provided was a portal of someone manually entering the fact that they went to court on certain days without any court documents.

Nothing about defense or prosecuting attorneys, nothing about start and end times, court address details, 3rd party presence, nothing.

A lot of other stuff you added in your response are quite frankly nothing to do with anything so I am unable to respond.

Bottom line is there is no proof this case and hearings exist in portals used by parties to the case. The June 1st deadline has passed, still nothing.

We do still live in hope that Hundeyin will out himself on this at some point. Too many smart folk (like you) are bring drafged into his vortex.

By the way, the guy that wrote that he had seen the documents from the original post of the thread, the Nigerian son of someone or the other based in Sweden, I did a Google search on him. He is real but his interest in this case, particularly the post, is fabricated. He also hasn't said anything about it in his social media output since and didn't in the run up to the phantom June 1st date.

We are dealing with a charlatan, admittedly a smart one, in Hundeyin. Please, you need to not let your feelings for President Tinubu becloud your reasoning. The seeds of this CIA files have taken too long to germinate.

The FOIA requested by Hundeyin's oyinbo friend ended with nothing to hold against President Tinubu. As it happens, both of them have now fallen out with each other. Indeed, there is no honour amongst crooks.

So, just so we're clear. Would you be kind to remind me what the basis of your arguement is:
Is it that the FOI case does not exist i.e, was never filed or;
Tinubu never has a case to answer, so none exists in the achives or;
No order was entered by the said judge to release the redacted materials or;
The information sort after will not be produced or;
Hundeyin & company are just hallucinating?.

Thank you.

ottersberger:
So, just so we're clear. Would you be kind to remind me what the basis of your arguement is:
Is it that the FOI case does not exist i.e, was never filed or;
Tinubu never has a case to answer, so none exists in the achives or;
No order was entered by the said judge to release the redacted materials or;
The information sort after will not be produced or;
Hundeyin & company are just hallucinating?.

Thank you.

There was an FOIA filed by the Oyinbo guy on behalf of Hundeyin who can't do so as he is not a US citizen.

There has been no court cases where Judge Beryl Howell is telling FBI or CIA to release anything on President Tinubu.

Hundeyin is looking to cash out from Obidients by asking them to donate money to fight the non existent court case.