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chimex38:
Those who condemned the bears, trousers, noodles storage, Armageddon, education, etc way ahead of time before the governing body's reversal.
What do one make of them?
As at the time they made their independent thought
They are rebels, apostates, shunned, disfellowed,
Now the governing body becomes a follower rather than leading now aligns with them?

They can now be welcomed back into the fold?


I believe an insight from a God will be way ahead of the masses, and most followers or rest of the world.

If the so called "worldly" and "condemned" people worshipping a different god become right both years and decade ahead of the "chosen people" who couldn't come up with such, then sth might be wrong with the thought process of such "chosen people" as well as their leaders.

I am sorry to say, like I said before such PIMI persons are not more than robots in discuss otherwise, they will be a step ahead on an aspect at least before any pronouncement.

MaxInDHouse:
Christianity is not just a religion but an assignment/job that requires absolute loyalty:
“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake day after day and keep following me" Luke 9:23
So when Jesus says disown yourself he wasn't talking about food, clothing and shelter that you enjoy but how to do the work God gave to Jesus.
The Governing Body also determines how all members of Jehovah's Witnesses go about the preaching and teaching work from what message we are to preach, how to go about the preaching, where and when to preach and when to vacate any place.
That's what requires our 100% loyalty not what they say about Bible characters that they never live with!

Christianity is not just a religion but an assignment

Floww23:
A Good JW is not A Beroan, A Good JW swallows everything from the Faithful slave. He obeys what is written even if it doesn't make sense from an human standpoint as A recent watchtower said

I repeat you are an Apostate

chimex38:
And it shows in most of their defense of changes made since inception.
Rather than accept there's a change, they pursue rigmarole explanation and justification.
Imagine someone defending all their religious and doctrinal changes from inception of the religion till now.
As members they can't be a step ahead and be proven right. They only try to prove what someone else says as right.
But most non-members they preach to and discuss with as we as those within JW who are PIMO become steps ahead in some doctrines and are thus called apostates or disfellowed members.

Even twins have different thoughts and question things.

Maximus692:
Remember the Beroeans?
They refused to swallow everything yet they were eager to accept that the Apostles are God's chosen! Act 17:11🙂

Floww23:
Why do you keep knocking on people doors despite many shut their door and Indicate lack of interest in such visits?

Look in the mirror

MaxInDHouse:
Followers of Christ need not reject what he says whether it's ok by them or not, whether they understood or not.
What they need to do is follow as long as they are convinced that Jesus is the Christ then they continue waiting for a new light.

For instance when Jesus first sent his disciples out to go and preach back then he commanded them:

Go! Look! I am sending you out as lambs in among wolves. Do not carry a money bag or a food pouch or sandals, and do not greet anyone along the road" Luke 10:3-4

Some of his disciples felt something is wrong and when the opportunity came for them to abandon him they did with other complainers. John 6:66

Later the same Jesus commanded them saying:

“But now let the one who has a money bag take it, likewise a food pouch, and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one." Luke 22:35-36

Abeg if you were alive back then will you still view Jesus as the Christ when he changed the command that he made at first?

Ọmọ we are talking about FAITHFUL PEOPLE not the faithless we don't look at changes or adjustments in directions rather we focus on fulfillment of prophecies just as our first century brothers stick to Jesus due to prophecies he was fulfilling!🙂

Luke 10:4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way. 5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house. 6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again. 7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. 8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you

Some of his disciples felt something is wrong and when the opportunity came for them to abandon him they did with other complainers. John 6:66

Later the same Jesus commanded them saying: “But now let the one who has a money bag take it, likewise a food pouch, and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one." Luke 22:35-36

And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end

Abeg if you were alive back then will you still view Jesus as the Christ when he changed the command that he made at first?

Ọmọ we are talking about FAITHFUL PEOPLE not the faithless we don't look at changes or adjustments in directions

rather we focus on fulfillment of prophecies just as our first century brothers stick to Jesus due to prophecies he was fulfilling

achorladey:
Gerrit Lösch stated........




VS



Conclusion......

In short: The concluding question (older view) opposed storage in a blood bank, even for oneself.


Lösch’s clarification now allows each individual to decide on storage and reuse of their own blood.

It is not clarification, it is a change

Courz:
JWs don't understand English reason why they banned university education. What is Clarification? Clarification is when you add more information to what was said in order to make your stand or position or point clear. Clarification is not supposed to contradict what you said earlier. They keep allowing the Governing Body to deceive them with words that you can simply Google and find the meaning. Gerrit Losch lied in the update that it is a clarification not knowing that the Watchtower he mentioned showed that it is actually a change. This is why it's not good to Lie.

achorladey:
I will rather say, Lösch knows very well that they were against storing blood. The use of clarification is to cover up and deflect the mind of Jehovah's witnesses who will readily jump in their defense than go against them since like you said they don't even know are not educated well enough to think.

Courz:
To be a Beroan means you have to be an apostate.

Courz:
Yes Losch knew exactly what he was doing. Chai. It is good to be educated o. No wonder the Governing Body want them to be as ignorant as possible for their deceit to work.

MaxInDHouse:
Luke recorded that Apostates were more noble minded shey?
🤣

achorladey:
That's what it means to your Governing body.

chimex38:
Those who condemned the bears, trousers, blood storage, Armageddon, education, etc way ahead of time before the governing body's reversal.
What do one make of them?

chimex38:
If you can't answer, just ignore and pass. Don't add to it and create your own leading premise to it expecting me to follow.

Don't manipulate my question into COMPARING Jesus who brings new insights within contexts never heard of in his generation before he made pronouncement that has stood the test of time with your government and their pronouncement with some already known and belated insights already known to the "worldly" people in the cases
i mentioned.

I am asking those who had not believed in some pronouncements aside what the GB stood for years ahead of time before your GB began to alter their doctrines towards the direction of this same non-belivers..
what do you make of such people?

Abi in the context of Jesus's pronouncements, did Jesus ever rescind whatever he said only to later agree and come to terms with the Pharisees and Saducees?


If you can't answer, just ignore and pass.

Jesus never rejected those who genuinely ask.

MaxInDHouse:
Followers of Christ need not reject what he says whether it's ok by them or not, whether they understood or not.
What they need to do is follow as long as they are convinced that Jesus is the Christ then they continue waiting for a new light.

For instance when Jesus first sent his disciples out to go and preach back then he commanded them:

Go! Look! I am sending you out as lambs in among wolves. Do not carry a money bag or a food pouch or sandals, and do not greet anyone along the road" Luke 10:3-4

Some of his disciples felt something is wrong and when the opportunity came for them to abandon him they did with other complainers. John 6:66

Later the same Jesus commanded them saying:

“But now let the one who has a money bag take it, likewise a food pouch, and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one." Luke 22:35-36

Abeg if you were alive back then will you still view Jesus as the Christ when he changed the command that he made at first?

Ọmọ we are talking about FAITHFUL PEOPLE not the faithless we don't look at changes or adjustments in directions rather we focus on fulfillment of prophecies just as our first century brothers stick to Jesus due to prophecies he was fulfilling!🙂

SarcasticWords:
Paul corrected peter, and peter took the correction.

chimex38:
Those who condemned the bears, trousers, noodles storage, Armageddon, education, etc way ahead of time before the governing body's reversal. What do one make of them?

MaxInDHouse:
Luke recorded that Apostates were more noble minded shey?
🤣

MaxInDHouse:
It's the BODY that nobody has the right to correct not a member who may also commit a blunder just as Peter did.

MaxInDHouse:
Followers of Christ need not reject what he says whether it's ok by them or not, whether they understood or not.
What they need to do is follow as long as they are convinced that Jesus is the Christ then they continue waiting for a new light.

For instance when Jesus first sent his disciples out to go and preach back then he commanded them:

Go! Look! I am sending you out as lambs in among wolves. Do not carry a money bag or a food pouch or sandals, and do not greet anyone along the road" Luke 10:3-4

Some of his disciples felt something is wrong and when the opportunity came for them to abandon him they did with other complainers. John 6:66

Later the same Jesus commanded them saying:

“But now let the one who has a money bag take it, likewise a food pouch, and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one." Luke 22:35-36

Abeg if you were alive back then will you still view Jesus as the Christ when he changed the command that he made at first?

Ọmọ we are talking about FAITHFUL PEOPLE not the faithless we don't look at changes or adjustments in directions rather we focus on fulfillment of prophecies just as our first century brothers stick to Jesus due to prophecies he was fulfilling!🙂

achorladey:
If you remember, there is one committee among those committees set up by governing body maybe the teaching department abi na service department or writing department.

Whenever they want to do adjustment or make a change, they asked those committees to go and search and bring out all what they had said before regarding that particular subject or topic.

It is from there they will now fine tune how to present the change and see whether people will be aware of the previous teachings or minimise the damage that previous teaching will cause when they need to defend what they are doing now.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know any JW member from any country can correct a member of the Governing Body just as Paul corrected Peter?
Try to listen well Sir.
It's the BODY that nobody has the right to correct not a member who may also commit a blunder just as Peter did.
So if a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses goes contrary to what we all believe any JW can walk straight to him and correct him.🙂

SarcasticWords:
Good question!

Unfortunately, MaxInDHouse answer is that if the disciples could not correct jesus when he gave them instructions then nobody should correct his leaders in warwick.



Members should just obey until the leaders change or adjust their instructions even if the instruction was completely wrong.

That is how you spot a CULT

chimex38:
In your first paragraph:
Why quote me insinuating I reject Christ?
and questioning before getting convinced rather than following blindly is still an acceptable way towards faith. why indirect emphasis on blind followership all in your your first paragraph above.

chimex38:
In this discuss, it's not your place to tell me what we are talking about. So don't tell me were talking about faithful people.
I am the one who initiated the questioning and it's centered on the so called "FAITHLESS" people who were right years before the Governing body cuz unfortunately to the GB God happened to give " " FAITHLESS" people insight and WISDOM before the GB learned from the "FAITHLESS PEOPLE" and adjusted their doctrine.

I am asking anyone what GB make of those who believe or do not believe in things years ahead of your governing body?

Abi in the context of Jesus's pronouncements, did Jesus ever rescind whatever he said only to later agree and come to terms with the Pharisees and Saducees?

If you can't answer or find it irrelevant, just swerve and pass..
You don't need to be desperation with irrelevant images, vague and sometimes misdirected answers/ questions.

chimex38:
Jesus never went back on his teachings in context or later agreed with the teachings of Pharisees, saducees,unbelievers he previously rejected and even condemned. Overtime Jesus teachings became stronger and stronger and stood test of time.

Courz:
Correct your Governing Body.

MaxInDHouse:
Question differ from Correction and a single brother doesn't make Governing Body just as Peter doesn't mean the Governing Body in Jerusalem.

So if you want to tell us anything about correcting the Governing Body please quote where the Governing Body in Jerusalem were corrected.

Thanks in advance!🙂

SarcasticWords:
Excellent!!!!!
MaxInDHouse hope you are taking note of what chimex said here. Dont ever compare imperfect men in warwick with Jesus again.